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And yes. It's a Twitter post wrapped in a bluesky post tucked into an Imgur post.
Gotta keep y'all on your toes. ;-)
Dec 10, 2024 5:04 PM
sleeperkid
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And yes. It's a Twitter post wrapped in a bluesky post tucked into an Imgur post.
Gotta keep y'all on your toes. ;-)
ChewyTheWookie
Someone needs to post this on Reddit
Goatfer
We still have the freedom to murder someone having a mental crisis! God bless America! /S
PlainlyPuzzled
If you do a choke hold correct, the other part will pass out in seconds, 5-10. Let them go. They are out. Done wrong, for a long time, you kill.
johnvilnis
People don;t seem to understand that if you disable someone so they are not a threat, as Penney did, they don’t need to keep choking them until they are dead.
defensivebackhair
You the Penny the Murderer? The guy that strangled a black dude ON VIDEO? The guy that needs to be in jail but won't go to jail because no worth or value is put on the life and family of a black man in this country? That Penny?
Everyone needs to be reminded that the hero, Luigi, is a cool dude, but this Penny guy? He can kick rocks and should be in jail.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Luigi heard the message. Daniel!
cousteau
Where's the "Sleeperkid tweet < Sleeperkid bluesky < Sleeperkid post < Sleeperkid comment" comment? I've never seen a version with the four of them
KKUW8
So Luigi can use this same defense? Murder a person (allegedly) that caused a giant disruption and caused pain and death to Americans?
foxthebloodied
He could but it won't work because he killed a rich white guy, not a poor black one.
TooSoonOldTooLateSmart
Is Kyle Rittenhouse named after Kylo Ren?
leroy666
WTF is a Daniel Penny, and why should I care? (Not murican).
HelpTheWretched
Moron can't even spell "P8riot"
JackSmiles2
Watching the video and hearing all the original statements. My man up here attacked before anything actually happened. Held the victim down several fuking minutes....let go when the victim basically no longer seemed to move. People were grabbing the victims arms and showed just how lethargic and out of energy he was. The situation had long since been controlled. Several "men" were already around the situation. Why was there still a FUCKING CHOKE HOLD. At the very least negligence ffs.
gardenias
'Ey, can we Brian Thompson this guy too?
IamAlbertPotato
Never heard of Daniel Penny, someone enlighten me?
RevolutionOnHerLips
imabadger
Oh wow, you managed to quote yourself twice now. That's new.
HelpTheWretched
It would be nice if he also posted the thought-provoking responses to his tweets
Selfawerewolf
We're no longer the favourite platform.
trippingthelightfantastic
So are they talking about Mangione or nah?
dasAchteck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Jordan_Neely
hwatL4bloopy
What is any of this about?
heyletsbefriends
sleeperkid. sleeperkid posts are always about sleeperkid.
svga
https://youtu.be/bCLGlM6hRE8?t=45
hwatL4bloopy
Oh I remember this now. It was so long ago. Without immediate context I had recollection
Goatfer
Murdering a man who is having a mental crisis in public just because people thought he was acting weird.
DwightSchrupert
"having a mental crisis" is not an excuse for his actions.
hwatL4bloopy
Someone linked details. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bCLGlM6hRE8&pp=QADYAS2IAgGQAgE%3D&rco=1 I remember hearing about this briefly on the news
hwatL4bloopy
This didn't explain anything. I have no idea who these people are. Or the events or context of any of this. Did one of them have some sort of mental breakdown? Is one of these people a murderer?
Goatfer
Victim has a breakdown on the train about his life falling apart. He has some mental issues but he is not hurting or threatening anyone else just being loud. The murderer grabs him from behind and starts to choke him out to try to knock him out. Chokes him too long and kills him.
hwatL4bloopy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bCLGlM6hRE8&pp=QADYAS2IAgGQAgE%3D&rco=1 yeah it appears the guy was already being restrained and he stepped in to choke the guy.
Scar1203
I dunno, I wasn't familiar with this until just now. The only things I can say for sure is that we need proper mental health care and social safety nets and that the system failed Jordan Neely. Penny obviously wasn't the right man for the job here but I don't think his intent was homicide, it seems more like he just didn't know what he was doing or how to restrain Mr. Neely. Neely didn't deserve to die but I don't think I can say that Penny deserved a prison sentence either.
williamtowel
Still not a license to kill and they weren't going for murder but negligent homicide which NOTHING to do with his intent, Dude held a 6 min chokehold after being told by others to stop, still held it after Neely went limp and still help it after like 4 other people were ALSO restraining him. Flip the scrip and its a homeless man holding down a deranged vet and the homeless man would probably have a murder charge.
Scar1203
I don't see any indication of anyone ever telling Penny to stop the chokehold in the video, the couple articles I read, nor the wikipedia page. If you were right that people were telling him to stop then criminal negligence would be provable but I do not believe that to be the case here.
williamtowel
It was part of the court depositions.
Scar1203
Ok, I missed the mention of someone having said "you're going to kill him" and it's apparently on the video, trying to find a source without a voiceover drowning it out. It doesn't change anything in regards to the case at this point of course but I do want to see the context.
Scar1203
This seems more damning than anything else I've read and the source appears reliable. https://www.courthousenews.com/youre-going-to-kill-him-onlookers-warned-daniel-penny-in-clips-shown-at-nyc-manslaughter-trial/
LondoMollari58
I mean Penny is in the same category as George Zimmerman and Kyle Rittenhouse. Nothing gets conservatives more excited than seeing black people get murdered.
YordLahtzee
Penny rode the subway that day with the surreptitious goal of goading a mentally ill brown person into having a meltdown so he could choke and murder him under the guise of self defense and get away with it. The lengths that white supremacists have to go to to get away with murdering minorities these days...
TwoForSpookin
And sweet perms
42juggalo
None of the people Rittenhouse killed were black though.
Gerokeymaster
But the protest he grabbed his gun and traveled to another state to disrupt was a BLM protest. He was *hoping* to shoot black people, that just didn't end up being how it shook out.
ALLCAPSROCK
DwightSchrupert
Absolutely untrue. Did you see the video? Did you watch the court case?
42juggalo
You can read minds?! Can you tell the next winning powerball numbers too?
Caaaarlthatkillspeople
I can't stand Rittenhouse but that's a ridiculous misrepresentation of the story.
42juggalo
Some people just want to hate, and if the facts don't give them a reason to hate they will just make stuff up to justify their hate. That's how it always works. Nazis, commies, ultra lefists, jihaddists, Trumples, they're all the same ilk.
TheWiseAlaundo
Barley uncharitable and only on the motive front everything else is true. Using the most charitable version of events he is a vigilante which is still illegal. I am very much a spirit of the law over letter of the law kind of person but if we use that framework for him the spirit of the law is that poor people are acceptable targets which might actually be close to the truth but we all know it shouldn't be.
YordLahtzee
When I heard that argument that the prosecution laid out I knew Rittenhouse was going to get off; weakest most incompetent argument ever. The whole travel to another state mantra was beyond weak, he lived 20 miles from Kenosha; it would be like if Dan Penny lived in Hoboken NJ and saying he crossed state lines to murder a brown person. How tf was the prosecution supposed to prove his intent was to kill brown people, let alone anyone at the protest?
DanCodyComics
There is a legal distinction. Being caught carrying weapons over state lines is punished worse, thus displaying a level of motivation in spite of the consequences that is difficult to overlook.
Arbitrarynamehere
No one shows up to counter protest a racially motivated demonstration with a gun without the intention of using it
ThisNameUnavailable
Right so everyone can go to the protest since thats 1A right, but the protestors showing up with guns, thats reasonable self defence, but the counter protestors showing up with guns are all racist bigots foaming at the mouth to kill brown people? Least delusional progressive worldview.
YordLahtzee
Sorry but thats a completely radical and unprovable assumption unless it's so blatantly egregious like klansmen showing up with machine guns and mowing down crowds of brown people. Losing argument in and out of court.
domillomew
I'd agree in the sense that zimmerman and rittenhouse were also justified in their actions, but I don't know enough about daniel penny to decide if I'd put him in the same psychotic category as zimmerman. What'd this guy do? choke out a guy that was threatening people? he obviously fucked up holding it too long but I see nothing to make me think it was intentional or malicious.
williamtowel
Negligent homicide, which the pros was going for, does not require intent or state of mind. Just that it could have been avoided. This could have the guy was literally told to stop by multiple people and he wasn't the only person restraining. This is just a good old "people think homeless are scum" situation.
domillomew
"just that it could have been avoided" being the only qualifier is a wild claim for negligent homicide. you counter your own argument of " told to stop by multiple people" with " wasnt the only person restraining". multiple people felt that this dude was a risk. if this dude was restrained no one would argue that it was wrong. he held a choke too long but just to be clear the guy wasn't even dead when he let go. he didn't choke the guy until death.
DwightSchrupert
It has nothing to do with him being homeless. Most homeless people don't threaten violence.
dontrike
Kyle was justified like OJ was justified
ThisNameUnavailable
Not really. You have a right to attend protests with a weapon under law. If someone grabs your rifle while chasing you, you are legally allowed to defend yourself. Even if he wanted to go there hoping that someone would attack him, you still legally get the right to defend yourself. The fault for the incidents that night lies solely with Rosenbaum.
dontrike
It's cute you think Kyle "attended a protest" and not saw an opportunity to hunt people for fun. He said he "went to help people" and yet helped no one. I wonder why.
ThisNameUnavailable
Even if he intended to go there to shoot people, his actual actions that night that the evidence bear out still doesn't preclude the non guilty verdict he rightly received.
He did not take any actions that gave anyone a reasonable fear of death. Rosenbaum chased him down and grabbed his rifle. Anyone in that situation is not expected to lay down and die, this is such an absurd argument.
domillomew
lmao I must have missed the part of the oj trial where they explained how Nicole Simpson was chasing him and trying to assault him after previously making threats against him. Kyle is a piece of shit for various reasons but he went above and beyond trying to avoid conflict with the people he killed. They CHASED HIM DOWN and he shot them.
dontrike
"Above and beyond" hahahahahahaha "to avoid conflict" AAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAH. He went there to hunt people.
domillomew
do you just like, not care about what happened? or not know? he ran away dude. at any point the people who got shot could have avoided getting shot by not chasing the guy with the gun to try to harm him. very clear self defense.
Gerokeymaster
"Have a heart to do the right thing"?! He strangled a mentally unwell homeless man to death in public...
williamtowel
After being told to stop, and after the man went limp, and after multiple people not just him were holding him down.
ThisNameUnavailable
Wait so killing someone when it doesn't prevent further violence isn't self defence in your opinion?
DwightSchrupert
That "mentally unwell" person was threatening violence on bystanders, and showed indications of escalation. Penny did the right thing.
Youhavinagiraffe
The excuse is always that the victim "seemed threatening" but follow it through to the logical conclusion and realise that this means it is always legal for any two people to fight each other to the death the second one of them seems threatening to the other
ThisNameUnavailable
No. There has to be a reasonable threat of death or grievous bodily injury. The dude was literally screaming "someone is going to die today"
SirEelstuf
So you shout fuck off and die and then it escalates to you're gonna die and I get to shoot you. This is the law according to you. Federal to law? Just on your street?
ThisNameUnavailable
Are you familiar with the facts of the case? It was not just saying that. He was acting erratically and shouting threats of death. Behaviour and context matter.
Obviously walking up to someone and calmly saying that is one thing. Its another thing altogether to be screaming, jumping all over the place and acting erratically.
The former does not infer a reasonable fear of violence, the latter does.
THISISYELLING
Cool. Where’s the reasonable threat of death? Multiple people die every minute. Stating that is not a threat of death.
ThisNameUnavailable
"stating someone is going to die is not a threat of death" and other statements uttered by the utterly deranged.
DwightSchrupert
Context matters and you know it, be real.
hwatL4bloopy
The right thing would be to escalate to appropriate levels of response. The man was already adequately restrained; penny escalated by chocking a man to death who couldn't fight back or protect his airway. He may have indicated an unsafe situation but it was penny that actually escalated to an unsafe and then lethal situation.
DwightSchrupert
Sure, armchair quarterback all you want. The victim stepped on that train and chose to threaten people. FAFO.
hwatL4bloopy
But yes we do agree, he is a victim in this tragedy.
DwightSchrupert
In legal terms yes.
hwatL4bloopy
Yes penny is a late quarter back. Coming in and choking out a guy that was already restrained.
picklesue
Clearly the appropriate pentaly is death without trial then, get a fucking grip
nederweit
Penny certainly did
DwightSchrupert
Yah, don't threaten violence. FAFO
rx78nt1
you’re unwell
DwightSchrupert
Right, yes, I'm the one out of line 😂