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Source tweet with replies: https://twitter.com/DareBear1226/status/1350511629977452547
Isorikk
Damn, the hospitals have better insurance than the insurance
MAN9000
The hospital I received medical care from didn't give a shit about my income. Would not budge. 8 years & one house later, I don't owe them.
Territori
You need to PAY for a medical care? Wow thats a shitty system!
MrsGroovy
How embarrassing for us as a nation that 1. This is needed, 2. It's unknown.
Stackr1
That’s good and all but....imagine a loved one suffering an emergency illness and you need to google hospital policy.
ianmalkaviac
Btch128
Can confirm. I do medicaid elig and apps at a hospital, if not medicaid elig we give fin assistance packets.
laurenfirefairy
Husband did something like this to get me out of heli ride and emerg c section. I ended up paying 0$ and was not in debt 4 childbirth
applesforjuice
They'll just treat you and if you can't pay, your credit goes to shit and you can't ever get ahead of that. Even if you make $$$ it's a LOT
puddinpieeee
so my hospital forgives your debt if you make less than 200% poverty level. i make literally 1k more than that...
Chimichanga007
whatbuttondoipush
I did this twice and I'm doing it again right now. I have full insurance but it still kicks you in the balls
wazscience
The key thing here is it applies to non profit hospitals.
Btch128
Which most religious affiliated and teaching hospitals are.
arthurvanhoudt
So this way the insurance companies can still make money? Strange way to divide costs to community as a whole.
Chimichanga007
That's the thing. We already pay taxes for other people's healthcare. But in an inefficient and expensive way. Medicare for All NOW
incendiumsatus
As an Australian this confuses me greatly. If I go to a public hospital I don't get a bill. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
MrRandom314159
And if you can't use this, make sure to ask for itemized bills.
jpparkenbone
...and the middle class gets fucked again.
Btch128
That's for 100% forgiveness. It's usually slide scale for percentages
Chimichanga007
Lol there are 2 classes. No more middle
Mostlydeadpool
holy shit. Can we nominate this guy for sainthood? you know, before they come and take him away?
FuckThemIfTheyCantTakeAJoke
American solution to American problem
AntiProtonBoy
The fact that you have to do this for medical treatment in your country is depressing. In Australia all you need is a Medicare card.1/2
AntiProtonBoy
I hope you poor bastards will one day get universal health care. It’ll be life changing for some people. 2/2
sciencenf10
Many.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
PhilKenSebban
The guardsman just saw a Grey Knight. He ded.
RuijiRiku
PressMyButtonsBaby
Okay, you got me
ericmtb
POINT OF CLARIFICATION: Hospitals will STILL try to get you to pay the medical bills, by pressuring you into long-term repayment programs.
ericmtb
Also many hospitals will try sending you to collection agencies & other underhanded tactics, even if they know you qualify for forgiveness.
ericmtb
In other words, KNOW YOUR RIGHTS! = Hospitals, banks, & collection-agencies pressure millions of Americans each year into paying bogus bills
ericmtb
NOTE: They can go after you for "some" medical expenses, if you have substantial assets (the means to pay the bills by selling some assets)
feryooday
The ER that I went to forgave my bills after I wrote a letter and submitted paperwork. HOWEVER radiology, anesthesiology, etc. gave no fucks
peepooz
Exactly! The hospital is cheap part in relation to other bills you get from the drs/tests (always out of network if you have Ins too)!
feryooday
so I was still in debt for $4,500 and I’m still struggling with that 4 years later
ohhgeeitsme
Same. I have one huge radiology bill left from a two nights stay in the ER and it's the only hard inquiry on my credit report.
tsx1
So if you earn 5 usd over the limit - "we will own you?"
FoxyLoxyMoxy
So if you're not way over the scale you could request a pay fall and be better off financially?
Tom8os
This is why many are fucked. You do just well enough to not qualify for these progs, but not well enough to be able to afford that u don’t
ITLKSEZ
Pretty much.
PoeticSoul
Many give discounts after the limit
Pulsar1975
It's sad that citizens who pay taxes are scared to go to the hospital coz of the cost of being treated. US has a 3rd world health care sys.
dunlapk33331415
Recently fell and fractured my ulna. Splinted it and immobilized it as much as I could because I couldn't afford treatment. That arm is now
dunlapk33331415
2" shorter than my other one because I couldn't afford physical therapy either. Ditto with a badly sprained ankle a couple of months after
dunlapk33331415
The arm injury
Pulsar1975
Sorry to read that. With all the respect for Africa, it has better health care than US.
dunlapk33331415
Yep.attaching health care to employment and then forcing everyone out of work for months is the main reason.but you have to pay for the heal
dunlapk33331415
Health care from an employer too
SoFedUpOfIt
Your country is a fucking joke... like third world joke ffs the whole world except you can do this no Google involved
HelloMax
That’s kind of judgemental.
OnlyPositiveFavourites
The problem with ur comment is you think it isn't ok to be judgemental when people/countries do bad things. Eg: I am judgemental of rapists.
SoFedUpOfIt
Exactly, I'm judgemental of war mongering nations that don't take care of their citizens.
Spisepinden
As a Scandinavian, the fact that that right wingers like comparing our countries to Venezuela feels tragicomic given the state of the USA.
Chimichanga007
And yet we vote them in knowing they won't fix it.
Wozzup
Propaganda, plain and simple. When the right screams about fake news media, it's because they've been doing it for decades. More people ...
Wozzup
Need to be reading Chomsky right now.
AslanTheGod
IS THIS FUCKING REAL?! I HAVE MASSIVE MEDICAL DEBT! WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME?! WTF?!
Spisepinden
There's a reason stuff like this isn't common knowledge, and it's not the kindness of people's hearts.
cheshirecat00
Kaiser is one of them fily works there,& used this policy before, thing is they where passed because they don't want people to know about it
cheshirecat00
The Dr's that is, because by claiming non profit they pocket billions since all Dr's there own a part of the company
cheshirecat00
Typo family not fily,& pissed not passed
KurtHamster
Is it maybe still worth checking, if the system is set up to forgive debt?! Might still be a possibility.
AslanTheGod
I filled out the application! If this works, I'll try to make a post after the excitement dies.
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
How'd it go? Any luck?
KurtHamster
Cool. Hope to see a happy update on your situation!
LordElups
Rooting for you buddy
thevortexmaster
Posted on tiktok, put onto twitter then posted from twitter to imgur. Crazy
ianmalkaviac
Actually the people who vote in usersub can now see every TikTok video cause they changed their watermark, so they auto downvote them all.
thevortexmaster
ianmalkaviac
thevortexmaster
Hahaha yoink
muggybonehead
I am happy Imgur is the filter. Tiktok is really annoying.
thevortexmaster
I have no clue
LifeIsARollercoaster
Unfortunately this is part of the reason why the hospital bills are high in the first place. Medicare for all is the only solution
Arsikere
along with thje government forcing hospitals and pharma to lower their prices
WoopDeFrickenDoo
it's more all the tiny insurance companies unable to bargain with hospitals
NorthmanoftheNorth
But how will my taxes pay for it while also paying to turn middle eastern people into skeletons?
NorthmanoftheNorth
I'm kidding of course, Medicare for all is cheaper than the current for-profit scheme. We can have Medicare AND brown skeletons. Yay.
wargames
it also that complete lack of price fixing like europe and japan does.
Thisisnotreallymyname
Yeah, m4a without regulating margins is going to be a horrible idea
Chimichanga007
LinkaAdoptsACouger
It's also a reason that many rural hospitals are closing. When 50+% of their patients are at or below the poverty line, 1/2
LinkaAdoptsACouger
2/2 They can't afford to stay open and end up closing. Some places in the country are now more than an hors drive from the nearest hospital.
obstreperousuroboros
Hope you guys get it soon. It's awful to witness everyones access to care and the mortality rate being part of a game of priveleges
JarJarBinksKisser
Cant afford insurance? Lost your insurance you had with your job that shutdown bcuz of covid? Thats $700+ penalty you pay on your taxes.
firehawkcultist
And those "forgiven costs" already end up back in taxes so there's no good reason not to fight for universal or at least medicare for all
LaBotte
I watch AOC play among us on YouTube and she was talking aboot Canadian healthcare and said it was hard to imagine going to the (1)
squanchit
AOC plays Among Us on YouTube?
Fyffer
She did once, with some streamers. I think it was mostly an attempt to get people that watch those streamers engaged.
LaBotte
Doctor without having to think of a payment method or credit card or bankruptcy. As a Canadian it's the opposite. Hearing about (2)
MisanthropicMath
She’s right. I realized that I’ve skipped even preventative procedures that in theory insurance will cover 100% due to billing anxiety.
LaBotte
Having to pay like 10k for few hours in hospital and your insurance dictating where you can go and such... Damn.
PurpleMonkeyDishwasherSoap
This is huge!!
MyCommentsUsuallyHaveTypos
It is, but I wonder how a raise in the minimum wage will require hospitals to adjust accordingly. I hope hospitals will do the right thing.
eswindy
Not for profit hospitals generally do something like this too although not as forgiving, unfortunately it can be harder to find as well
freesocksfromsmellyfeet
This is normal in developed countries!
H0rndog
What kind of backward ass post apocalyptic anal- wasteland of an country does not have free health care? ... Oh. Right.
5555252545
Uuuge*
FlonkyTedGruber
It's "huge" that you guys still don't have universal healthcare. Sorry, but it's true.
dunlapk33331415
Inexcusable is a better term
Blazefast
Agreed, it's inhumane... Medical care should nog be reserved for the "upsum lirum gerenic tekst'
unclesmeatball
We're all sorry
mdh148910
Kinda. I read my local one and states that you can't deny employer provided insurance. Sucks. Good to know if I lose my job tho.
peepooz
Came to say this. I would qualify in amount made, but don’t bc have insurance. So I owe over about $50k in hospital bills over past 4 years
peepooz
They did reduce the bill a bit, but getting it all wiped out is unusual. I was in hospital for 5 months straight at one point though.
peepooz
No way they are taking that hit even if I qualified income-wise, especially when I had insurance (through work).
tschallacka
Hey boss, can you remove insurance as benefit? It would save me a lot of money.
dunlapk33331415
And I imagine your credit is shit, now
peepooz
You have no idea! And creditors call daily. My current meds and treatment (plus student loan debt) any “extra” $ so I can’t pay them. Ever.
joeyecho101
They have to TREAT you no matter what. But they're sure as shit gonna bill you no matter what, too.
railgap
what a funny way to admit you didn't watch or understand a < 1 min video.
EccentricNimoy
They have to "stabilize" you. You might not even be cured or treated completely of your ailment. Just enough but not all the way
ArtOfKarolMichalec
America you biatch
itsapirateslifeforme
So is this only valid for emergency treatment? Like bare minimum required to keep you living or is it valid for ongoing conditions as well?
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
When I was broke/homeless and couldn't afford my insulin, I'd go to the hospital and skip out on the bill. I don't understand how people die
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
I'm a t1 diabetic, and yes my credit was fucked for 7 years, but again I'm still alive. They will treat you no matter what.
DrMephistopheles
Where is the service charge pice list? Hospitals charging randomly
Wombatish
They have no obligation to give anything but emergency/stabilization care, unfortunately. Making problems way worse/$$$ by forcing people *c
Wombatish
c* to wait. IF you can manage to get them to treat first/bill later for care short of an emergency this trick is great, but many won't do *c
Wombatish
c* it anymore without insurance or a downpayment.
Dancepartyinmyhead
Sort of, they have to treat your symptoms in an emergency capacity, not necessarily treat your condition. Source: I work in self pay for 1/?
Dancepartyinmyhead
A world renowned non-profit hospital. Meaning I work with patients without insurance and we require full payment upfront for services. 2/?
Dancepartyinmyhead
If you have cancer you can come through the ED and get some treatment for symptoms but without a couple hundred thousand dollars you 3/4
Dancepartyinmyhead
Won't be getting anywhere near real cancer treatments. 4/4
Ansatsunin
Did you even listen to anything the man said?
joeyecho101
I did, and he is incorrect. Source: 10 years direct patient care, 7 years hospital admin.
Ansatsunin
Then all should yield to your experience. Is this something nation-wide? Or would this be something that perhaps works the way you 1/?
Ansatsunin
describe in your state, while working differently elsewhere? 2/2
joeyecho101
Certainly state specific. And nobody needs to yield to anything man. Chill out.
laurenfirefairy
You don't actually have to pay the bill.
ANOMNOMNOM
This does make borrowing OTHER money a lot more difficult though. You know, car, house, credit cards.
BullfrogStormcroak
It really doesn't. Medical bills can't go on your trw.
InsomniaOlympic
What is trw?
BullfrogStormcroak
Your credit report
ANOMNOMNOM
They get sold to collectors tho. They don't preclude you from borrowing, but do lower your score, and other debts often come along with it.
yy0b
The medicals bills might not, but when the hospital sells the debt to a collections agency they can report
BullfrogStormcroak
But usually won't. Also, all you have to do is not answer you phone to unknown numbers and they're fucked.
ahhhhtomzilla
But at least you get to live! Just terribly!
kodiak931155
Jokes on you sucker! Im living terribly without any medical debt!!!
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Ansatsunin
Don't quit your day job. Stand-up isn't your forte, ya fukkin clown.
laurenfirefairy
Yay tuition debt!
ButterfaceTaintClown
yeah, but that would also be true if you didn't have cancer and lived in poverty.
Kamba00
When I was younger I had to go to A&E in the US the guy in the room cryed for hours asking for water, my dad got so angry he ...
Kamba00
Pulled a doctor to the side and said give the man water it's been hours, the doctor said sorry I can't he doesn't have insurance.
sciencenf10
OMG.
Kamba00
Makes the NHS seem like overkill if you can get away with that in the states
kikiohearts
They do this to old people in the hospital too. My dad is 71 and he has dialysis 4 times a week. Hes still very much there in the head. >>
kikiohearts
Hes hooked up to a machine cycling his fluids and it beeps... loudly to say hes done. After 10 minutes my dad called a nurse. >>
kikiohearts
she said she would get someone. He had to wait an hour and a half for someone to unhook him. All the while the machine was beeping.
PirateRubberDuck
You can't legally charge for tap water in the UK anywhere and in the US a doctor will let a man suffer due to lack of insurance? WTF!
dunlapk33331415
Our national motto is, "I got mine, fuck off?"Applys to healthcare, education, living wage, hunger....the list goes on
TrynaHelp
They've really got this 'human society' thing sorted out sooooo well in America
unclefisty
Yes, because NOTHING ON THE INTERNET IS EVER A LIE. Promise!
1maGoh12
Fwiw, I call bullshit. They don't charge for water in any US hospital I've been in. There's usually a vending machine the doctor 1/2
1maGoh12
Or the dad could use to get a dude some water. We aren't that heartless. This is an asshole with an agenda.
thatguywhohasnoname
No what he's saying is they will forgive the bill
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
They won't unless you can push them to do it. Otherwise they'll send bills and collect whatever they can.
GrumpyOldMillennial
Not always. The one I went to did not, I made just above poverty. They offered me $360mo payment plan or go get a private loan. That's it.
GrumpyOldMillennial
They refused to work with me at all, even after multiple times of stating I cannot pay what they are asking. Its in collections now.
Hurtsdo
Often it works that they bill you. You can pre-apply for charity care, be warned that you will receive less treatment options due to it.
Chimichanga007
Never show ID
valvarsson
Or weakness.
gr33narrow
I thought i was having a heart attack, couldn't hold a pen or write and i had to fill out paperwork/give ids and card before treatment.
Chimichanga007
Fake name, fake address
GrumpyOldMillennial
The one I went to wouldn't process paperwork without valid photo ID, social security, and next of kin contact. Period..
jimbobular
How do they know your medical history then???
AgainstMedicalAdvice
This works in the ER if you get stabbed. Not for anything else.
valvarsson
Step 1 get stabbed.
Hurtsdo
Not at any hospital I've been at. Your pic is in their system too.
kakari
You've had your photo taken as a patient in A&E/ED?
Chimichanga007
Damn time to get an emergency Moustache
FoxyLoxyMoxy
.. Made to feel like a criminal for breaking a leg. What the actual
MASSIVESPACEMONKEY
Wtf America?