Hey, they're tracking you.

Apr 11, 2019 1:26 PM

jwsmythe

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A friend of mine has been complaining that her car's battery was slowing dying. I attributed it to a weak battery, and maybe a light switch getting stuck on intermittently.

As any good friend should, I promised (and finally did) show up with all the right tools. Battery load tester, multimeter, and every size of wrench and socket. I was fully expecting to see the battery was weak, the alternator was doing badly, or that I'd have to disconnect a switch.

Nope.

I spotted this fuse a while back. I assumed it was just some car audio thing from a past owner. Usually when I find them, they go nowhere. This one was drawing current. Just about as much as you'd see from an interior light staying on. 0.168A or 2W.

Hold on, does that say GPS and cell? It's a tracker. Neat. Ok, lets extract it.

[follows wires]
GPS receiver and cell antenna puck on top of the gauge cluster.

Snipping like a million zipties, and now we can look at what we're dealing with.

That part number seems worthless. It doesn't appear to be a one-off item. In some quick searching nothing useful was found.

For VRIV207R, there's a 10 year old question on Yahoo Answers, where he was just told that he was probably wrong about the number. (He wasn't)

For "19-24847-938", there's one result for a Mercedes antenna module. (It isn't.)

Input 1 (blue) comes from ... the airbag?

Input 3 (yellow) keyed hot.

Output 1 goes to a relay that connects red and white. Oh, an ignition cutoff. It's put back together like it should be now.

That's a whole lot of stuff that didn't belong in her car. It's extracted now.

This gratuitous cat tax photo isn't random. He showed up, and climbed into my SUV while I was working on the car. He wandered off before I left. I told my GF that we almost adopted another black cat. She says "no".

As a proper nerd, I asked to keep it, so I could tear it apart at home. :) And, as a proper nerd, I'm oversharing the details. Maybe someone will have an idea of who it was talking to, and what I can do with it. Most of the board numbers don't return anything interesting.

The GPS board has a SIRF GPS2e/LP-7450 chip.
The "GPS102REV:02" is useless as it's so ambiguous.
i3409 or l3409 don't seem to be anything. "13409" doesn't relate to this device.
I assume the SST flash memory is for warm starts, and the battery is to keep the clock alive.

There are no useful markings on the reverse side.

This is the top of the main board. Obviously, the microcontroller is an Atmel AT89C55WD. The sticker repeats that "VIRV207R" number, shown on the case.

00-24878-001, WG03AL201-0, PU00 doesn't seem to relate to anything.

The reverse side only says 00-24868-001 REV D

I haven't traced them, but it looks like the TX/RX pins on the MCU may go to some of those fingers.

This is the modem. I like the model number, "NSA1800". We joked that the number means that it belongs to the National Security Agency. Really, it's pretty obvious that it relates to "Niigata Seimitsu [something]".

I'm guessing the manufacturer of the box put the sticker on the right on. It appears to be a duplicate of the exterior sticker.

It seems, that model number says that it's an AMPS cell transmitter. Service in the US was discontinued in 2008. So that makes this part useless, except for extracting metals for future projects.

I'm still hopeful that I can use the GPS receiver in something. Maybe even the control board. Anyone with info and maybe interface pinouts, would be most appreciated.

We can still pretend it's the NSA though. A good conspiracy theorist would say that they may have their own AMPS towers still operating, just to keep tracking their boxes without being noticed. I'd need my tinfoil hat adjusted a little too tight to believe it.

My mom and I worked for a repossession agency in my teens ~2006. Looks like something a buy here pay here would use to keep tabs on a veh.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I share an office at work with our fleet manager. He confirms that this is an older model of the GPS tracker we had in our Cherokees.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

A friend of mine used to sell omelettes out of his van, but this has nothing to do with your post.

7 years ago | Likes 297 Dislikes 4

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Were they American or European omelettes?

7 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 0

I've no idea what I just read, but I seen a cat and lots of interesting stuff. Upvote!

7 years ago | Likes 779 Dislikes 11

If your car has gps, it knows where it is.... gasp... who wouldve guessed....

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7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Way to style it out, @op! We all know you planted this! ;)

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I was mostly taking the photos carefully as evidence. It wasn't until I got home that I found the transmitter was an antique.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

This actually really creeped me out: thank you for showing this to the world...just in case

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It creeped me out too. I should expect that a car I buy doesn't come with a GPS tracker transmitting my location ...

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

even if it was there because of a previous owner.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

kind of common thing in company cars in some parts of the world. also you probably can reprogram this to report to your own server/service.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I mentioned in the last pic, the modem is AMPS. That was discontinued in 2008. I was hoping to find info on the other boards.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

You try looking up history of the car using the VIN?

7 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 1

Check vinwiki for the car, might be some info there

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I've seen this in the movies, reassemble, strap it to a battery and toss it in the back of a truck, preferably on carrying chickens.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ehhhh - not all AMPS was shut down btw. It's still active, 5 towers, in my area.

7 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

In what area are you? That seems so bizarre, because the 850MHz band has been used for GSM for a while now.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Welcome to the bizarro world of rural telecommunications companies where we don't have competitors.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Oohhhhh... shit. I assumed my quick search said it was. Maybe that's why the light seemed to indicate it was sending data.

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Hook up usb-serial to modem and let it transmit. Might see where it goes

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Someone, somewhere, just lost their feed from that device. Do you hear helicopters in the distance yet?

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

There has been a funny rhythmic sound coming from somewhere nearby. I can't quite figure out where.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Can we be friends? I think I need friends like this

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yikes, who is your 'friend'

7 years ago | Likes 41 Dislikes 2

Her cover is that she's an overworked single mom. It's a really believable cover too. Almost like it's real. :)

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7 years ago (deleted Apr 24, 2019 12:08 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

I know her ex. He may have issues, but this didn't look like his style of work. I think.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

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7 years ago (deleted Apr 24, 2019 12:07 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

She really isn't very hard to find. :) He usually has a good idea of where she is.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

“We Finance “ car lots use them. No pay, no play. If the airbag deploys, the car could lose power, so they would have location of wreck.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Used car dealers do this to make repo easier.

7 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

That's where I've seen them. (and had a buddy that installed them)

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ive had to install stuff like this, when i was a mechanic, for people by court order. Shit gets hidden and often forgotten

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Awesome! Thanks for sharing!

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Welcome to, The List.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yay, another list!

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The company name on the GPS receiver is odd as they are the same as the company that makes our estimating software. 1/2

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

We are an HVAC contractor and we use Trimble's QuickPen for duct work and piping take-off. 2/2

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7 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Keep us informed @OP

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Oh, wow. Pre-GSM, analog network GPS tracker. That thing is ancient (probably why it was left there). ;)

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

They listen to you too, and watch you. My mothers car has a camera that watches your eyes for "Safety" in case you get drousey.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Probably just a tracker system to recover it if it gets stolen that an old owner cancelled a long time ago. Nice post :)

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

And he was never heard from again. (NSA: Tracking your lives without you knowing)

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I don't know, they're pretty fucking brazen about doing it; they don't even really try to keep it a secret anymore.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Niigata Seimitsu struck a deal with Aeris in '01 to provide RF transceivers for their MicroBurst network, mainly for wireless telemetry 1/2

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

1.5/2 messaging. Considering the "cellemetry" port-manteau, I'm fairly sure that's what is was meant to do. Using the car battery when the

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

2/2 non-chargeable regular battery ran out is apparently a normal setup for this, despite the obvious flaw.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

GPS, airbag deploy, and ignition cutoff. Hmmm sounds like a police bait car.

7 years ago | Likes 1469 Dislikes 8

Most seem to agree, but locking doors seems like a prerequisite for a bair car, which this doesnt seem to be able to do

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Either that or it’s an off brand LoJack.

7 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Dang you nailed that one

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That's a pretty plausible explanation.

7 years ago | Likes 192 Dislikes 0

So... You're saying this guy just helped a thief?

7 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Police sell vehicles all the time, they might've just been too lazy to remove all this crap before getting rid of the car

7 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

I doubt police would trigger an airbag deploy. That would be a really expensive 1 and done bait car.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Lol disposable camera cars. Your airbag goes off you need to buy a whole new car.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That was my first thought. I think it's an old bait car.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ohhhhhhh. That would make sense.

7 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

Exactly my thought as soon as I saw ignition cutoff

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Airbag deploy on the input though. Precursor to OnStar? Get into a wreck, airbag deploys, so this pings GPS and shuts the engine off?

7 years ago | Likes 68 Dislikes 1

I was thinking this too, like a safety device, but still who's receiving the signal?

7 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 0

Due to the age of the car, I’m assuming whoever put it in figured it wasn’t worth the effort to take it back out.

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It would also explain why non of the model numbers are showing online if the device is only available to gov

7 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 0

I’d like to conspire this is old gov tech- u can find product codes for everything commercial. @OP try somewhere on TOR,

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Going anywhere on TOR isn't really advisable. Sketchy people live there.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

Whats a police bait car :O

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

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7 years ago (deleted Dec 23, 2019 8:12 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Smart

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Check out the show, it’s just called bait car

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Also knowing that police bait cars are a thing probably cuts down on car thefts a bit, even if it's only 5%. Every little bit helps.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Why would you need to deploy the airbag in a bait car?

7 years ago | Likes 150 Dislikes 4

Cause you can!!

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Might just be to track if the car was in an accident, not trigger the airbag.

7 years ago | Likes 46 Dislikes 0

My thoughts too. Some sort of OnStar type thingy maybe, gps, airbag, engine cut off

7 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 1

hard to pull a gun when theres a sheet of air hitting you at 280mph

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Not to only mention how funny it would be

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Who would they be pulling a gun on? Do you know what a bait car is? Do I not know?

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The driver of a stolen car has a good probability to be packing heat

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

bait cars as far as i know are used to catch auto thieves. but you have to go get them at some point

7 years ago | Likes 82 Dislikes 0

That makes sense. Incapacitation by airbag

7 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 0

Friend's crazy mom installed one on her car so she could track her everywhere (not a secret). It drains the battery really badly. She 1/2

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

2/2 deals with it because her mom bought the car, is paying for college, etc.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Gross.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Does the modem have a SIM card you could read to get some more info? The vehicle recovery thing fits with the clean install.

7 years ago | Likes 118 Dislikes 4

+1. SIM (or full size smart card) readers are cheap. @OP

7 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 2

He said it's AMPS so not GSM. AMPS was analogue. It had no SIM. It was the grandfather of T/CDMA

7 years ago | Likes 54 Dislikes 0

The really weird part is that AMPS is ancient, yet the GPS chipset supports WAAS, which wasn't available until the early 2000s.

7 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Are you saying it's possibly made for local private network?

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Probably not, that would be cost prohibitive, just a really weird narrow timeslice in which it would have existed.

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Both of you are nerds. I love it. Continue being awesome!

7 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 1

I get the feeling you'd enjoy hearing the words "hoaiy! Welcome to Teahdown Tuesday!" https://www.youtube.com/user/EEVblog/

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Subscribed, I'm hooked!

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Why is everyone on here smarter than me?

7 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 0

Dude I'm a software dev I've no clue what's going on here. Your fine lol

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Thank goodness I'm not alone.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Maybe you are here to learn?

7 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

Teach me your ways.

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Just because you don't know something doesn't mean you aren't smart. I'm sure your life experiences mean you know things that I do not.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

I know that there are 110 ridges on a dime, and that there are birds that have evolved to have solid wing bones instead of hollow.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I didn't know either of those things. The early/mid 2000s Pontiac GTO was not an American car, but an Australian design, much like the 1/2

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

latest Chevy SS isn't an American car. Both are Holden vehicles. The GTO is a Holden Monaro and the Chevy SS is a VF Holden SS. 2/2

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Just because your paranoid dosent mean they aren't following you.

7 years ago | Likes 342 Dislikes 10

*polaroid

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Dude on Reddit found a tracker in his muslim friends car. They extracted it, and then cops came knocking on their door the next day for it

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I specify the muslim part because his friend was getting more and more involved in the religion, and they suspect thats why he was bugged.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

"You're not paranoid if there really is a monolithic embodiment of pure evil out to get you" -Conspiracy Theory D Destiny weapon description

7 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

We....Um..... they aren’t following you

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My paranoid what?

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I know if my car had come with one of these, it would have been disabled and removed while I was installing my kill-switch...I might have 1/

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

repurposed the interlock relay though... 2/2

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I always heard it as you're not paranoid if they really are following you.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Are they following me to take my paranoid?

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

It’s working isn’t it?

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

*yore

7 years ago | Likes 93 Dislikes 2

I’m goin to use that in place of you’re/your now

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Fragrant Branch of You're https://imgur.com/5ZfYh9J

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

*you're

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*yer

7 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 2

Youse

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yar*

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

Y'allst

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7 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 2

ye olde global positioning system.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Most buy here pay here auto lots install these i their cars so they can track the vehicles for repo if the owner stops paying. If the car is

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

“if”

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Still under a lien then put it back, if not enjoy your free tracker.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

She bought it years ago for cash. The worst they can do is ask for the hardware back.

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