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A friend of mine has been complaining that her car's battery was slowing dying. I attributed it to a weak battery, and maybe a light switch getting stuck on intermittently.
As any good friend should, I promised (and finally did) show up with all the right tools. Battery load tester, multimeter, and every size of wrench and socket. I was fully expecting to see the battery was weak, the alternator was doing badly, or that I'd have to disconnect a switch.
Nope.
I spotted this fuse a while back. I assumed it was just some car audio thing from a past owner. Usually when I find them, they go nowhere. This one was drawing current. Just about as much as you'd see from an interior light staying on. 0.168A or 2W.
Hold on, does that say GPS and cell? It's a tracker. Neat. Ok, lets extract it.
[follows wires]
GPS receiver and cell antenna puck on top of the gauge cluster.
Snipping like a million zipties, and now we can look at what we're dealing with.
That part number seems worthless. It doesn't appear to be a one-off item. In some quick searching nothing useful was found.
For VRIV207R, there's a 10 year old question on Yahoo Answers, where he was just told that he was probably wrong about the number. (He wasn't)
For "19-24847-938", there's one result for a Mercedes antenna module. (It isn't.)
Input 1 (blue) comes from ... the airbag?
Input 3 (yellow) keyed hot.
Output 1 goes to a relay that connects red and white. Oh, an ignition cutoff. It's put back together like it should be now.
That's a whole lot of stuff that didn't belong in her car. It's extracted now.
This gratuitous cat tax photo isn't random. He showed up, and climbed into my SUV while I was working on the car. He wandered off before I left. I told my GF that we almost adopted another black cat. She says "no".
As a proper nerd, I asked to keep it, so I could tear it apart at home. :) And, as a proper nerd, I'm oversharing the details. Maybe someone will have an idea of who it was talking to, and what I can do with it. Most of the board numbers don't return anything interesting.
The GPS board has a SIRF GPS2e/LP-7450 chip.
The "GPS102REV:02" is useless as it's so ambiguous.
i3409 or l3409 don't seem to be anything. "13409" doesn't relate to this device.
I assume the SST flash memory is for warm starts, and the battery is to keep the clock alive.
There are no useful markings on the reverse side.
This is the top of the main board. Obviously, the microcontroller is an Atmel AT89C55WD. The sticker repeats that "VIRV207R" number, shown on the case.
00-24878-001, WG03AL201-0, PU00 doesn't seem to relate to anything.
The reverse side only says 00-24868-001 REV D
I haven't traced them, but it looks like the TX/RX pins on the MCU may go to some of those fingers.
This is the modem. I like the model number, "NSA1800". We joked that the number means that it belongs to the National Security Agency. Really, it's pretty obvious that it relates to "Niigata Seimitsu [something]".
I'm guessing the manufacturer of the box put the sticker on the right on. It appears to be a duplicate of the exterior sticker.
It seems, that model number says that it's an AMPS cell transmitter. Service in the US was discontinued in 2008. So that makes this part useless, except for extracting metals for future projects.
I'm still hopeful that I can use the GPS receiver in something. Maybe even the control board. Anyone with info and maybe interface pinouts, would be most appreciated.
We can still pretend it's the NSA though. A good conspiracy theorist would say that they may have their own AMPS towers still operating, just to keep tracking their boxes without being noticed. I'd need my tinfoil hat adjusted a little too tight to believe it.
Sporkeldee
My mom and I worked for a repossession agency in my teens ~2006. Looks like something a buy here pay here would use to keep tabs on a veh.
Sunseteclipse
I share an office at work with our fleet manager. He confirms that this is an older model of the GPS tracker we had in our Cherokees.
Whatsname
A friend of mine used to sell omelettes out of his van, but this has nothing to do with your post.
Sjp770
jwsmythe
Were they American or European omelettes?
DaveGrohlsMoustache
I've no idea what I just read, but I seen a cat and lots of interesting stuff. Upvote!
Rationalthoughtyoumoronsdidntth8nkof
If your car has gps, it knows where it is.... gasp... who wouldve guessed....
bannedjjjfjfjdbvdxv
danbrazier
Way to style it out, @op! We all know you planted this! ;)
jwsmythe
I was mostly taking the photos carefully as evidence. It wasn't until I got home that I found the transmitter was an antique.
LuoBaoen
This actually really creeped me out: thank you for showing this to the world...just in case
jwsmythe
It creeped me out too. I should expect that a car I buy doesn't come with a GPS tracker transmitting my location ...
jwsmythe
even if it was there because of a previous owner.
wuzz
kind of common thing in company cars in some parts of the world. also you probably can reprogram this to report to your own server/service.
jwsmythe
I mentioned in the last pic, the modem is AMPS. That was discontinued in 2008. I was hoping to find info on the other boards.
bomboy23
You try looking up history of the car using the VIN?
MaladaptedMedic
Check vinwiki for the car, might be some info there
buzzl1ght
I've seen this in the movies, reassemble, strap it to a battery and toss it in the back of a truck, preferably on carrying chickens.
BeardedThunderNC
Ehhhh - not all AMPS was shut down btw. It's still active, 5 towers, in my area.
kichigaimentat
In what area are you? That seems so bizarre, because the 850MHz band has been used for GSM for a while now.
BeardedThunderNC
Welcome to the bizarro world of rural telecommunications companies where we don't have competitors.
jwsmythe
Oohhhhh... shit. I assumed my quick search said it was. Maybe that's why the light seemed to indicate it was sending data.
denryAwwVillain
Hook up usb-serial to modem and let it transmit. Might see where it goes
firefighter26
Someone, somewhere, just lost their feed from that device. Do you hear helicopters in the distance yet?
jwsmythe
There has been a funny rhythmic sound coming from somewhere nearby. I can't quite figure out where.
sleepyreader8
Can we be friends? I think I need friends like this
Boodlight
Yikes, who is your 'friend'
jwsmythe
Her cover is that she's an overworked single mom. It's a really believable cover too. Almost like it's real. :)
mattig89ch
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jwsmythe
I know her ex. He may have issues, but this didn't look like his style of work. I think.
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jwsmythe
She really isn't very hard to find. :) He usually has a good idea of where she is.
josephisalsoat
“We Finance “ car lots use them. No pay, no play. If the airbag deploys, the car could lose power, so they would have location of wreck.
DrKenAdams
Used car dealers do this to make repo easier.
danieldc69
That's where I've seen them. (and had a buddy that installed them)
SailingDawg
Ive had to install stuff like this, when i was a mechanic, for people by court order. Shit gets hidden and often forgotten
primse
Awesome! Thanks for sharing!
StarrryNight
Welcome to, The List.
jwsmythe
Yay, another list!
ivanova4
The company name on the GPS receiver is odd as they are the same as the company that makes our estimating software. 1/2
ivanova4
We are an HVAC contractor and we use Trimble's QuickPen for duct work and piping take-off. 2/2
BadAssAttitude
sevenfingerman
Keep us informed @OP
docweird
Oh, wow. Pre-GSM, analog network GPS tracker. That thing is ancient (probably why it was left there). ;)
myusernameisntfunny
They listen to you too, and watch you. My mothers car has a camera that watches your eyes for "Safety" in case you get drousey.
SamuthNBS
Probably just a tracker system to recover it if it gets stolen that an old owner cancelled a long time ago. Nice post :)
dannnen3
And he was never heard from again. (NSA: Tracking your lives without you knowing)
firefighter26
I don't know, they're pretty fucking brazen about doing it; they don't even really try to keep it a secret anymore.
PangolinBan
Niigata Seimitsu struck a deal with Aeris in '01 to provide RF transceivers for their MicroBurst network, mainly for wireless telemetry 1/2
PangolinBan
1.5/2 messaging. Considering the "cellemetry" port-manteau, I'm fairly sure that's what is was meant to do. Using the car battery when the
PangolinBan
2/2 non-chargeable regular battery ran out is apparently a normal setup for this, despite the obvious flaw.
RustyPatch
GPS, airbag deploy, and ignition cutoff. Hmmm sounds like a police bait car.
Z0op
Most seem to agree, but locking doors seems like a prerequisite for a bair car, which this doesnt seem to be able to do
LetumComplexo
Either that or it’s an off brand LoJack.
myapologiesforsayingthat
Dang you nailed that one
kwkspectre
That's a pretty plausible explanation.
TerdFurgison
So... You're saying this guy just helped a thief?
Tempcore
Police sell vehicles all the time, they might've just been too lazy to remove all this crap before getting rid of the car
wastedpoptart
I doubt police would trigger an airbag deploy. That would be a really expensive 1 and done bait car.
RustyPatch
Lol disposable camera cars. Your airbag goes off you need to buy a whole new car.
Apothecarius
That was my first thought. I think it's an old bait car.
EmeraldLight
Ohhhhhhh. That would make sense.
MisterJaeger
Exactly my thought as soon as I saw ignition cutoff
JakeMcAwesome
Airbag deploy on the input though. Precursor to OnStar? Get into a wreck, airbag deploys, so this pings GPS and shuts the engine off?
SexuallyAwkwardDonkey
I was thinking this too, like a safety device, but still who's receiving the signal?
Animaniacs
Due to the age of the car, I’m assuming whoever put it in figured it wasn’t worth the effort to take it back out.
dav3nasty
It would also explain why non of the model numbers are showing online if the device is only available to gov
mrMace
I’d like to conspire this is old gov tech- u can find product codes for everything commercial. @OP try somewhere on TOR,
MaximusPuer
Going anywhere on TOR isn't really advisable. Sketchy people live there.
alticaarden
Whats a police bait car :O
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alticaarden
Smart
jg071071071
Check out the show, it’s just called bait car
WildBluntHickok
Also knowing that police bait cars are a thing probably cuts down on car thefts a bit, even if it's only 5%. Every little bit helps.
KarmicNoose
Why would you need to deploy the airbag in a bait car?
tomattow
Cause you can!!
nerotep
Might just be to track if the car was in an accident, not trigger the airbag.
MrBill1
My thoughts too. Some sort of OnStar type thingy maybe, gps, airbag, engine cut off
Swissboy362
hard to pull a gun when theres a sheet of air hitting you at 280mph
DickArsenal
Not to only mention how funny it would be
KarmicNoose
Who would they be pulling a gun on? Do you know what a bait car is? Do I not know?
TheMemeForge
The driver of a stolen car has a good probability to be packing heat
Swissboy362
bait cars as far as i know are used to catch auto thieves. but you have to go get them at some point
KarmicNoose
That makes sense. Incapacitation by airbag
mektel
Friend's crazy mom installed one on her car so she could track her everywhere (not a secret). It drains the battery really badly. She 1/2
mektel
2/2 deals with it because her mom bought the car, is paying for college, etc.
WyrmsWorks
Gross.
elementcarbon12
Does the modem have a SIM card you could read to get some more info? The vehicle recovery thing fits with the clean install.
theblackhole08
+1. SIM (or full size smart card) readers are cheap. @OP
znuff
He said it's AMPS so not GSM. AMPS was analogue. It had no SIM. It was the grandfather of T/CDMA
kichigaimentat
The really weird part is that AMPS is ancient, yet the GPS chipset supports WAAS, which wasn't available until the early 2000s.
undungubungu
https://imgur.com/h5Z1mOq
ICompletedEngineeringOnTime
Are you saying it's possibly made for local private network?
kichigaimentat
Probably not, that would be cost prohibitive, just a really weird narrow timeslice in which it would have existed.
vote4mclovin
Both of you are nerds. I love it. Continue being awesome!
kichigaimentat
I get the feeling you'd enjoy hearing the words "hoaiy! Welcome to Teahdown Tuesday!" https://www.youtube.com/user/EEVblog/
vote4mclovin
Subscribed, I'm hooked!
UncleBiscuits
Why is everyone on here smarter than me?
infernalcombustionengine
Dude I'm a software dev I've no clue what's going on here. Your fine lol
UncleBiscuits
Thank goodness I'm not alone.
NoTurtles
Maybe you are here to learn?
UncleBiscuits
Teach me your ways.
DeZaim
Just because you don't know something doesn't mean you aren't smart. I'm sure your life experiences mean you know things that I do not.
UncleBiscuits
I know that there are 110 ridges on a dime, and that there are birds that have evolved to have solid wing bones instead of hollow.
DeZaim
I didn't know either of those things. The early/mid 2000s Pontiac GTO was not an American car, but an Australian design, much like the 1/2
DeZaim
latest Chevy SS isn't an American car. Both are Holden vehicles. The GTO is a Holden Monaro and the Chevy SS is a VF Holden SS. 2/2
slvrsaber
Just because your paranoid dosent mean they aren't following you.
torillatavataan
*polaroid
beartato
Dude on Reddit found a tracker in his muslim friends car. They extracted it, and then cops came knocking on their door the next day for it
beartato
I specify the muslim part because his friend was getting more and more involved in the religion, and they suspect thats why he was bugged.
APUSHMeOffACliff
"You're not paranoid if there really is a monolithic embodiment of pure evil out to get you" -Conspiracy Theory D Destiny weapon description
NotTheFBIWePromise
We....Um..... they aren’t following you
MarikaYumi
My paranoid what?
OtterlyMagnificent
I know if my car had come with one of these, it would have been disabled and removed while I was installing my kill-switch...I might have 1/
OtterlyMagnificent
repurposed the interlock relay though... 2/2
thorkun
I always heard it as you're not paranoid if they really are following you.
Snooj
Are they following me to take my paranoid?
NotTheFBIWePromise
It’s working isn’t it?
whateverthevoicestellme
*yore
GenesisNynja
I’m goin to use that in place of you’re/your now
GreaterDog
Fragrant Branch of You're https://imgur.com/5ZfYh9J
FookingFekingFrak
*you're
WaterUnderTheRocketAppliances
*yer
intothevoid1273
Youse
Mmbear
Yar*
SuperTacticalSandwich
Y'allst
lethalin
goflyblind
ye olde global positioning system.
pirogoeth
Most buy here pay here auto lots install these i their cars so they can track the vehicles for repo if the owner stops paying. If the car is
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“if”
pirogoeth
Still under a lien then put it back, if not enjoy your free tracker.
jwsmythe
She bought it years ago for cash. The worst they can do is ask for the hardware back.