May 7, 2020 12:20 PM
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Estoyp00ping
Hey, get that 2nd place bullshit away from our flag.
hotdoginathermos
Ireadtoomuch
Imhonestlypartying
Lol okay tubby.
qtRaven
Scotia
And where was that t-shirt made? That's right, Taiwan. I mean.... China!! Oops
AngryGraphicDesigner
This idiots aren't patriots
Tophar01
You wanna try that one again?
OuroborosX
Why do these guys all have a giant gut and the same beard?
Timmytwopups
The beard is to look tough. It offsets the fear of knowing wars are not won by fat people.
bearatrooper
General Sherman's only mistake was not finishing the job.
Jokerthehulk
He wouldn’t get it though
VitaminJay
Not dressed like that he won't...
DrLivingstoneIpresume
holgerdk
Do it again uncle Billy!
StarryPlough
My fav irony is that the people most proud of their country are almost always its largest embarrassments (often literally largest)
fightfightfightlosewinfight
The difference between nationalism and patriotism...
UnitedGalactic
Tanrir
He doesn't speak for all fat gingers. I should know - signed, a fat ginger.
WarlordPipsqueak
Just laugh. Point and laugh. When they angrily ask why you're laughing, laugh harder. Don't explain it. don't even say a word.
Shame is a powerful weapon.
Because of course it's a fat fuckin' neckbeard...
841pts
Because they have a very short list of things to be proud of...
sicsided
Do you know the comic this is from?
RichardPicture
Archie comics #631
'Preacher' by Garth Ennis.
WhaaatDa
He holds the flag of the country that lost the war, and wears the flag of the country who beat their asses. He needs to make up his mind.
Ifekinlovesauerkraut
So... you assume he has one?
Dhatudhatu
He won't be able to do that, as his cognitive and mental capacity needed for careful introspection and reflection is missing.
briham86
NRXNext
UnkindledOne
I dont understand how "love it or leave it" applies to his argument. You think I cant love America and also see that it needs to change?
What argument?!? And if you love it but see it needs change then you love it.. which means he isn't advocating that you leave.
linearcore
These people don't understand logic. The "love it or leave it" crowd are the same ones that complain about/deny entry to refugees.
Gorgrim
It doesn't. It's "Love my version of America, or get out. I don't want it to change to make you happier"
mjangelvortex
Good choice of words. I want America to change because I love it and want to see it (and its people) get better.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
It's the fact that I love America so much that makes me so very disappointed in it. It's so far from what it could, and should, be.
natebitatibetan
That's the line that the right wing used against those against Vietnam. Yet history shows the anti-war people were correct. it's a racket.
SadToSay
They also love their view of what America should be and hate what it actually is
Synt3xf
/a/nSUMHPV
TheLaughingMagician
Yup, a certain section of America has always been facist curious.
/a/nIytKL1
/a/QXXGzfy
MKNIGHTMARE
Everyone forgets about the German-American Bund.
I don’t
OfficialCommentFromCorporate
Fascist & Separatists are 2 different things? Authoritarian Governance is kind of the opposite of succession for individualize state rights
Although I guess telling people they aren't people is kind of a real attack on individual freedom.
SocoFox
I liked the flag on the left because it was on the General Lee. Kid me had no idea what it meant, I just liked the car.
PlantainSuperNova
German neo nazis use the confederate flag cause nazi imagery is illegal in Germany
SpartanStatic
And? Waving the Nazi flag isn't illegal in the States. "X is illegal so they do Y, the other place MUST do Y because X is illegal."
Calm down mu guy. It's just a interesting fact
That's a stretch. I get that you want to call anyone you dislike a nazi but have some self respect. Do you REALLY think that anyone with a
confederate flag, that wanted to wave a nazi flag, would have the tact or common sense not to? They're already waving a symbol terrorism.
It’s true in Germany. Neo nazis there can’t wave around the swatstika cause it’s illegal, so they use the confederate flag instead.
Which is fair, but it's not illegal to do so in the US. So while the germans cannot legally, the Americans can. So again: See my 2nd reply.
CyanideBreathMint
ChallengerDeep
Gadsden has f•ck-all to do with the Confederacy: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-shifting-symbolism-of-the-gadsden-flag
Explain that to most of the folks flying it these days.
secondgoaround
Exactly. Good luck explaining that to any of them.
aLilBlindKid
Oh. Oh I love this. Thank you.
Blkfox
U R 1 Dumb ASSHAT just another American mental midget! Fail history much? Bwaha ha ha moron!
Back under the bridge you failed abortion of a troll. Yr over a month late ya feckin genius.
13andido
EvilDeadTed
Snowdogsbitch
I do question the US education system
Sh4dowWalker96
We don't have an education system, only an indoctrination system.
JadeNB1729
Will that question be on the test?
There’s a test? Damn it!
cins9000
I think many of the problems in your country are directly related to your educational system.
slowen11
Like how America is a region and not a country?
Nicalanius
Startrekker95
Do it again, Uncle Billy!
?
nothingtowritehomeabout
As a progressive Southerner please don't do it again. There's a lot of great, intelligent folks down here and we're sorry for the bad apples
Artimak
Can you please convince the other educated southerners to vote this November?
Most do but I still encourage them to. The main issue here is the people who feel it's their patriotic duty to vote Republican or have gone
All in on Trump outnumber progressives by a wide margin unfortunately. I know a lot of good people that just completely buy in to the GOP
I hear you. The GOP has done a frighteningly good job of convincing the lower & middle classes that they have their best interests at heart.
Do it again Uncle Billy.
Exsul
"DO IT AGAIN, UNCLE BILLY"
Oh lawd he comin!
Macewindow
DEW IT AGAIN UNCLE BILLY!
AStupidWeeb
Oh and BTW, It's not the South, it's a mindset that unfortunately a lot of Southerners share, but it's national, look at freaking Michigan
It also says “Confederate sympathizers”.
Good point, I'm just defending my region, but if we're starting a violent campaign akin to Sherman's march Michigan deserves it too lol
I lived in Georgia for a few years. Only ever met a handful of people that could use a little Shermanating.
I lived in Savannah for 2 years, hands down my favorite place ever
Upstate New York is like Mississippi without the drawl. I pass by several Confederate battle flags on my daily commute to work.
Wow, I've heard Vermont is like that too
Unfortunately, you find a sense of anti-intellectualism in the most rural (and least educated) parts of most states.
IsaacNuetron
He might be planning on leaving....it's the flag of the losers, right?
Vaanhalen
Sometimes they're doing it for the joke. And the photographer is in on the joke. They're not being serious they're being clever
fknbastard
Except like Poe's Law...we can no longer tell the difference between satire and the stupid shits who believe it.
Most of imgur could never discern satire.
HCBailly
That was my interpretation. He supports seceding from the union. I can't tell if I'm joking or not.
FairyKingOberon
Can we replace the French surrender stereotype with Confederate Surrender stereotype?
Yes, please.
I'd be fine with this, especially considering the stereotype about France isn't even truth to begin with.
Preach!
SpicySweetSpence
But then I can't make fun of Renaults. XD
The Alliance? Lmao
BlueBunnyBell
There is a movement that supports that idea. Source: my dad is part of it
4everwild
That is the flag of losers and morons
dfitt
/a/QWnmZq5
ShawnCurtis
It's also still on the Mississippi State flag which is kinda sad.
SmokyDoggg
The flag of traitors to our great republic
ElbeauDeepInAnElbeau
**Kleptocracy
eatyourmeat
That. And slavery
Allthegoodnamesweretakenbeckygod
But it was about states rights... states rights to own slaves.
Exactly
TacticalMoosez
Proof that you can kill a man...or army...but not an ideal, No matter how shitty.
newsguycraigevans
Proof that you can defeat an army but if you let the ideal survive it will fester for hundreds of years.
Ninjapanda1337
Sooo if someone has a British flag flying are they considered lovers and morons too? Cause well they lost a war to.
Losers***
AzgarOgly
Your comment demonstrates deep and detail understanding of history. Congratulations.
TheCaptain00
He's partly right; Virginia lost in that war. I'll grant you, R.E. Lee was no moron.
luke0echo1
Actually that is an old state flag. I forget which one. But that flag was changed a few years back. Alabama I think.
YellowDrank
Way to go out on a limb for your edgy beliefs.
FinnAndJakesTreeHouse
That’s a battle flag, not the rebellion’s national flag
Dekkonot
It's used as a traitor's flag, may as treat it as one
homoerection
So far 33 douche bags have downvoted you.
TheOneAndOnlyButtStabber
losers for sure and bad at losing! They lost forever ago, get over it...... fucking losers
Aldorin
You could just call them losers, and be factually correct. Why add the insult?
Because the people still flying that flag are traitorous domestic terrorists. Fuck all of those people.
LifeIsARollercoaster
In this case moron is an accurate description. No intelligent person would do this
UnhelpfulAnswers
Because the flag is largely adopted by morons
DamnedAustin
It's an accurate description.
That would be a lie because these losers are morons .
Tomadzo
He’s not wrong
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
Moron is also factually correct
GroovyCrowley
Because this flag is an insult.
mikeatike
Probably because they are morons, moron.
Cuz they’re fuckin morons who don’t understand or refuse to acknowledge history
ElvisCatStello
Exactly this... They're allowed to be willfully completely stupid and ignore facts but I'm not allowed to point it out?
Directly to them because it might hurt their feelings? I think they created a word for that actually.. What is it? Snow related ?
pawningpanda
They deserve it.
They deserve much worse
jonhamsandwich11
Harryteeters
Civil War Participation Flag
KommSusserTod
1st place runner up. Finish line was Appomattox.
diphenhydraminehcl50mg
The flag of Trump
TheRealArclight
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TTeun
I read this as an insult to Trump, but it somehow feels like more of an insult to actual confederates.
ViolentlyOfferingBeerToSheep
i figured a flag of trump would be a picture of him back when his hair didn't look like a squirrel had sex with it
SilentScreamsX
I've seen older pictures of him. For such a rich dude, he never seems to have found a decent barber.
Correction, the unofficial flag of Trump
Akovsky
Sasurau
https://imgur.com/Sx11ELT.mp4 Almost goes up as fast as Georgia before Sherman.
PickledDundersnoot
That's because it's made in China
firefox7339
bartybastly
Democrats
Saric92
Good job on not understanding political history
Oooo are you here to start shit to
StewedTomaters
How many Democrats do you know who display the Confederate flag? How many Republicans do you know who display the Confederate flag?
[deleted]
Oh, I'm sure there are SOME. But if we held a Racists' Convention, what affiliation would you expect to show up in force, in 2020?
People outside of the US might not be sure which of his flags you are referring to
Arcanum3000
Have you considered the possibility that they are reviled *because* our differences are understood?
StephenDaniels
Give everybody but those black people over there liberty or give us death.
Yeah, these guys look like they are willing to work together.
donthaveonebrojustlurk
And that's totally what the historical record shows as well!
Cthulhuchooseyou
Ideaologies built on hate, racism, violence, and fear, coupled with a lack of deep critical thinking and empathy.
jetah
sounds like the ghetto being referred to.
This is that lack of deep critical thinking and empathy I was talking about.
because every comment on the internet require a 900 IQ.
RobotAccomplice
I mean we tried that...
They want anyone not white to be treated as subhuman. I understand that and reject it. There is no middle ground. They need to grow up.
DonWrigley
You’re either really old or a time traveler. Come on, out with it! Do we need roads where we’re going?
OmniscientZiltoid
Would you really trust people who don’t know how to use a turn signal with a hover car? We’ll always need roads. Sorry, Doc
therealSnyper117
I am now thinking of flying suburban’s and it terrifies me.
Tobeeornottobee
And traitors, but that might be too harsh a word for them snowflakes
Asovietllama
Ohhhhhhh, way down south in the land of traitors
TheJudgingCat
Secession is completely legal and the civil war wasn't just about slavery. Taxes were insane and there wasn't representation for the south 1
I'm NOT defending slavery, but people need to realize that wasn't the entire reason for the Civil War
SirCaptainDoctorProfessorMeowMeow
Officially the war wasnt about ending slavery anyways until the Gettysburg address. Again, slavery bad. But like you said there 1/?
Other reasons as well. It's not nearly as simple as people make it out to be. 2/2
CrackheadGermanSheppie
I hear the "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" battlecries off in the distance
CanadianCobraChicken
And o'er the fields comes the army of pasty white people in broken down pickup trucks chanting "2nd AmEnDmEnT"
We WanT HaiRCutS! It'S OuR rIgHT!
LuffyFett
Traitors and snowflakes
Silas007
US obsession with calling people traitors is a bit scary.
WoodfolkFae
yes they are the traitors for trying to be their own separate country, where did i hear that before?
Groetgaffel
Point and laugh children, point and laugh.
theonebuda350
California
Texas.
if someone would like to tell me what is wrong with what i said instead of saying states, i want to learn from my mistake.
I am not sure but I referenced Texas because it was a Republic for a moment.
Traitors is just fine by me. Every one of those fuckers said they didn't want to be part of the United States
TheSierraDeuce
As a white, conservative, southerner my whole life, never understood this. While I support of state's rights I find that flag abhorrent.
Cuck
zHurk777
From a design standpoint it is a beautiful flag. Too bad it has negative connotations.
Flag of traitors! Flag of ignorance! Flag of homophobic! Flag of Losers!
The "state's rights" argument is horseshit. Look at each state's Articles of Secession. They specifically list slavery as the reason why
they left. It was over a state's right to allow their inhabitants to own human beings and deprive them of individual liberties based on race
Yes, and that's why individual liberties should be priority. That's why the CSA claim of states rights was bullshit imo.
Yep. Pretty much any time someone says "state's rights," they can pick a CSA state for me and we'll look at their Article of Secession to
see the reasons they themselves chose to put in there. It's always "slavery"
Stars rights? Please explain.
In short, as long as the constitution and civil liberties are not violated, state A shouldn't be able to leverage the fed against state B.
Pt1. I.e. if MS votes to legalize casinos, but AL doesn't want casinos, AL can't force the fed to shut down MS because people from AL might
Pt2. Lose on tax revenue because people are spending money at MS casinos instead of AL...whatever people do in AL.
I apologize, your question deserves more respectful detailed answers. It's worth asking.
bigboneded
The Confederacy was against"State's Rights." Fed allowed Northern States to ban 'travel slavery.' CSA wanted that reversed.
Mrgoldenfold
YES! TY! They wanted a stronger central govt to enforce their laws. States rights my ass. Read the Articles, they didn't even mention them.
States rights is often a Confederate straw man I'll agree, doesn't mean I want to surrender all autonomy to Trump or whoever is in power.
That's why this conversation is so sticky. A mention of any state autonomy as if it were synonymous with the confederacy.
CyborgSpaceViking
Genuinely asking, but what does states rights mean to you?
It's a good question, in broad generalities it would be as long as constitutional law is followed, primary governance should be the state
For example, what Illinois decides about sales taxes, or civil ordinances shouldn't require California to adopt it.
Or just because New York want to do X, they shouldn't be allowed to leverage the federal government to make Wyoming do it too.
Apologies, it's difficult to give the respect in an answer your question deserves 140 characters at a time.
HessianGhost
Every time I have seen someone arguing for states rights, it has always been at the expense of individual liberties.
I would say in order of priority it should be individual civil liberties, local/states rights/ then federal.
Sounds good in theory, but in practice look at the civil war. The states right in question was the right to own people.
MiguelCamino
The north didn't care so much about slavery they just wanted tariffs on the products of slavery.
Right, and that's why the individual's liberty is placed higher than the states.
That is utterly meaningless when literally every time states rights are brought up, that is not the case.
It is certainly a balance of what people should be free to do and what they are told they must do.
Greenshield
And who enforces the individual's liberty against encroachment by the state?
BeesKneesJohanson
I blame the Dukes of Hazzard for romanticizing that flag tbh.
Bobeez
In the 70s and 80s it had a less aggressive feel to it, I think. The connotation has changed these past couple of decades.
copperdomebodhi
Used to buy the "heritage" argument. Found out Southerners only started to fly it again when Civil Rights movement had wins in the 1960's.
Jimbo1956
I hated that series but loved the Daisy Dukes!
The song is pretty good too
FortressCraft
In the Uk, that flag means nothing more than 'The one that was on top of the General Lee, which is a car.'
Did you know that neo nazis in Germany use the confederate flag in place of the swatstika?. Cause nazi iconography is illegal in Germany
chewbakken
This is master level trolling right here
Skawomplious
That's fucking awesome.
Now that’s a car
No, it is the culture in the south that romanticizes it. Southerner my whole life, never understood it.
FlatPlutoSociety
Seeing it in Pennsylvania is the funniest shit imaginable. I mean, also deeply sad and awful, but still pretty funny.
IOnlyDrinkOnMonday
Grew up in Georgia, went to Ohio a few years agofor the first time and saw a barn with the confederate flag painted on the roof, like... Wut
benpoon
It is not “the south’s culture” but a group of morons that live in south. They live all over the world as well.
flacoloco
KKK was a very family rooted org, so fathers, sons, uncles, brothers all had some sort of involvement in it, plus disdain for the north
My apologies, not was. IS.
It's confusing living up in MN and seeing people who I know were born here fly it on their truck, pole, etc.
YesMrScorpion
My guess: they're fans of slavery
TheWorstWeasley
MAGA?
ValyrianHero
I know a lot of people who do it and aren’t racist, it feels like south heritage to them but I’m 100% sure they misunderstand the meaning
Yeah, my argument is go to customink, Shutterstock or clip art and find a new logo then.
1wholurks
Winterous
Ooh that flows well.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
trippingthelightfantastic
Sumtinstink
You know why he didn't burn Savannah to the ground?
samwyze
Why?
We gave them punch.
It took some Googling, but it checks out. Now I want to try it.
Good old knockout punch...
PrinceRupert
*Nov. 15, but yes, those folks could use a good "talkin' to" from Sherman...
geraint616
I didnt know america had a version of this classic children's poem. The US one seems cooler, but then again, it's not about a terrorist plot
endlessnumbereddays
Well it is sort of about treason just not Sherman’s treason.
MenchiDoodle
So Sherman is a hero to the leftist imgurs now becuase he butchered a lot of Southerners who were non-combatants, gotcha.
kissmine2000
Didn’t butcher enough.
CatShapeShifter
I'm not right leaning at all, but people excusing that bc they were "southern scum" are horrible. They were human beings with families
OldSchool93
Flechet
yes please
monimoomo
John20012
rsande
U for United?
TShooter59
I sincerely hope sherman is in hell with his back broke and his entrails on fire.
found the southern redneck
Gotta move all the traitorous southern scum to make room for him.
Dustorn
Never mind the fact that Sherman would've been one of those traitorous scum if he lived a few miles to the South.
Roll2d12Necrotic
I cannot explain how much this made me laugh.
TheFuckfaceWhisperer
Do you know who said that? Mel, the cook on Alice.
Boot to the head.
Well, kiss my grits
https://youtu.be/Z8VD4JXUozM
ihearyoubarkingbigdog
But this doesn’t make sense. Sherman was a force of great pain for the southern states. They would use the motto of remembering him as a way
To advocate for allowing the confederate flag to fly. Hence use the flag to remember Sherman’s destruction and how the north laid waste.
Mentok
If they want to remember they can just fly a white flag. Real Americans shouldn't be flying a traitor flag.
JustJoe2047
IDK. Starting to rethink letting the Confederate states go and take Trump with them. Real Americans stay. Rest get the south. It's a win win
Sure but no one's asking to leave now. They decided they'd rather everyone else leave instead. And, nah.
States should have the option to independence with 66-75% support in a proper referendum (sth that is written into the constitution in my1/2
Choreopithecus
Woah. Even if Sherman’s tactics were useful in winning the war, crimes against civilians should not be commended. It’s with sorrow that >>
We should remember that things happened the way they did. Not with glee to forget the horror and use it as a slap in the face to neoconfeds
Exactly. He killed people. And people on here excusing that bc they don't agree with the politics of it is ridiculous
BrianStuart
While I'm a fan of Sherman, I'm curious why no one makes memes of his boss, General Grant.
Becuase he was a talentless drunk who won by butchering his own men alongside the rebels.
If you think that, then you don't know much about General Grant.
PureOdio
Among my more sardonic old-school tabletop war-gaming friends, this was known as the "1864 Atlanta Special."
Nuttsy
Niiiiice.
Lee was a man of honor who was on the wrong side. Sherman was a monster who was on the right side. Why is only one considered evil?
nextboldmove
Probably on account of the slave-owning.
Sherman owned slaves and killed innocent women and children just because they were in his path.
Quick reminder that Mr. Sherman was pro-slavery.
PlueRyvius
That whole wrong side bit.
Blue4Five
READTHISUSERNAME
My favorite pastime is seeing if printed/displayed Confederate Flags are upside down. This is another one that fits the bill
Yes, but when he's sucking his boyfriend's dick, it looks correct. YeeHaw
LordSintax79
To be fair, it WOULD be flying upside down. Confederacy's kind of been in danger since the late 1800s.
mirria
How is it upside down? Isn't it symmetrical both ways?
JonnyTightlips
No, 5-point stars are not vertically symmetric.
derringermeryl
I’ve never thought about it, but I guess the star in the middle would be pointing straight up if you flipped it over.
All the stars are actually upside down!
JeffGriffin
I kinda want that on a shirt now
tomyironmane
Every time I see the confederate battle flag, I get "Marching through Georgia" stuck in my head, I swear.
JewishMonk
I hear "The Sign of the Southern Cross"
I'm an Ohio boy. Sherman was born just down the road a way.
hogeyegrex
ChristianSalge
one of their flag designs actually was basically a surrender flag called the confederate stainless banner
mydamnkidsdontthinkimfunny
https://imgur.com/4wgpIWx
LoudAngryJerk
lol oooof
themexicanwave
Those 7 downvoted are sweet. Fuck those people. Ha
jdasler
This comment is perfection
Xenarion
What is the second one?
The first national flag of the CSA.
override367
All he had to do was put out a public safety warning to not set your own cities on fire and they would have done it themselves
CutlassAndClean
The confederate flag is another nation's flag, a nation separated from the USA and lost, the USA today is one created from the union 1/2
Flying that flag is un-American and ironically flown by those who claim what is and is not American
Thubanis
Sort of like it's "treason" to the UK for people in Scotland to fly the national flag of Scotland I suppose.
FubarJunkie
The union jack ?? is a combination of the English Flag ??????? and Scottish Flag ???????
QuartzPoker
No. The CSA were part of the US, then threw a tantrum and murdered a bunch of good American soldiers.
MarcUK
Um, no. Scotland is a country in it's own right. We also just happen to be a member of The United Kingdom of Great Britain.
LiamO92
And northern Ireland. Everyone forgets Northern Ireland
And, if what you say about the South being a separate nation is true then Southerners become a protected group. "National Origin" and all.
And attempts to eradicate Southern symbols could be considered Genocide.
Lostcause103
Except Scotland had a long history of independence from England prior to unification. It was a country in it's own right for hundreds of
sciencebasedlifeform
You mean "the war of northern aggression" ?
found the southern redneck....
No, no. He's completely right. Why are you celebrating someone burning down a city, with woman, children, and innocents?
there weren't innocents there, they were evacuated days before.......
I'm sorry, you're right. But there was still industry, infrastructure, and civilian property that he burnt down. How is that not a war crime
Estoyp00ping
Hey, get that 2nd place bullshit away from our flag.
hotdoginathermos
Ireadtoomuch
Imhonestlypartying
Lol okay tubby.
qtRaven
Scotia
And where was that t-shirt made? That's right, Taiwan. I mean.... China!! Oops
AngryGraphicDesigner
This idiots aren't patriots
Tophar01
You wanna try that one again?
OuroborosX
Why do these guys all have a giant gut and the same beard?
Timmytwopups
The beard is to look tough. It offsets the fear of knowing wars are not won by fat people.
bearatrooper
General Sherman's only mistake was not finishing the job.
Jokerthehulk
He wouldn’t get it though
VitaminJay
Not dressed like that he won't...
DrLivingstoneIpresume
holgerdk
Do it again uncle Billy!
StarryPlough
My fav irony is that the people most proud of their country are almost always its largest embarrassments (often literally largest)
fightfightfightlosewinfight
The difference between nationalism and patriotism...
UnitedGalactic
Tanrir
He doesn't speak for all fat gingers. I should know - signed, a fat ginger.
WarlordPipsqueak
Just laugh. Point and laugh. When they angrily ask why you're laughing, laugh harder. Don't explain it. don't even say a word.
WarlordPipsqueak
Shame is a powerful weapon.
VitaminJay
Because of course it's a fat fuckin' neckbeard...
841pts
Because they have a very short list of things to be proud of...
sicsided
Do you know the comic this is from?
RichardPicture
Archie comics #631
VitaminJay
'Preacher' by Garth Ennis.
WhaaatDa
He holds the flag of the country that lost the war, and wears the flag of the country who beat their asses. He needs to make up his mind.
Ifekinlovesauerkraut
So... you assume he has one?
Dhatudhatu
He won't be able to do that, as his cognitive and mental capacity needed for careful introspection and reflection is missing.
briham86
NRXNext
UnkindledOne
I dont understand how "love it or leave it" applies to his argument. You think I cant love America and also see that it needs to change?
Tophar01
What argument?!? And if you love it but see it needs change then you love it.. which means he isn't advocating that you leave.
linearcore
These people don't understand logic. The "love it or leave it" crowd are the same ones that complain about/deny entry to refugees.
Gorgrim
It doesn't. It's "Love my version of America, or get out. I don't want it to change to make you happier"
mjangelvortex
Good choice of words. I want America to change because I love it and want to see it (and its people) get better.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
It's the fact that I love America so much that makes me so very disappointed in it. It's so far from what it could, and should, be.
natebitatibetan
That's the line that the right wing used against those against Vietnam. Yet history shows the anti-war people were correct. it's a racket.
SadToSay
They also love their view of what America should be and hate what it actually is
Synt3xf
/a/nSUMHPV
TheLaughingMagician
Yup, a certain section of America has always been facist curious.
Synt3xf
/a/nIytKL1
Synt3xf
/a/QXXGzfy
MKNIGHTMARE
Everyone forgets about the German-American Bund.
CapttainKillJoy
I don’t
hotdoginathermos
OfficialCommentFromCorporate
Fascist & Separatists are 2 different things? Authoritarian Governance is kind of the opposite of succession for individualize state rights
OfficialCommentFromCorporate
Although I guess telling people they aren't people is kind of a real attack on individual freedom.
SocoFox
I liked the flag on the left because it was on the General Lee. Kid me had no idea what it meant, I just liked the car.
PlantainSuperNova
German neo nazis use the confederate flag cause nazi imagery is illegal in Germany
SpartanStatic
And? Waving the Nazi flag isn't illegal in the States. "X is illegal so they do Y, the other place MUST do Y because X is illegal."
PlantainSuperNova
Calm down mu guy. It's just a interesting fact
SpartanStatic
That's a stretch. I get that you want to call anyone you dislike a nazi but have some self respect. Do you REALLY think that anyone with a
SpartanStatic
confederate flag, that wanted to wave a nazi flag, would have the tact or common sense not to? They're already waving a symbol terrorism.
PlantainSuperNova
It’s true in Germany. Neo nazis there can’t wave around the swatstika cause it’s illegal, so they use the confederate flag instead.
SpartanStatic
Which is fair, but it's not illegal to do so in the US. So while the germans cannot legally, the Americans can. So again: See my 2nd reply.
CyanideBreathMint
ChallengerDeep
Gadsden has f•ck-all to do with the Confederacy: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-shifting-symbolism-of-the-gadsden-flag
CyanideBreathMint
Explain that to most of the folks flying it these days.
secondgoaround
Exactly. Good luck explaining that to any of them.
aLilBlindKid
Oh. Oh I love this. Thank you.
Blkfox
U R 1 Dumb ASSHAT just another American mental midget! Fail history much? Bwaha ha ha moron!
CyanideBreathMint
Back under the bridge you failed abortion of a troll. Yr over a month late ya feckin genius.
13andido
EvilDeadTed
Snowdogsbitch
I do question the US education system
Sh4dowWalker96
We don't have an education system, only an indoctrination system.
JadeNB1729
Will that question be on the test?
CapttainKillJoy
There’s a test? Damn it!
cins9000
I think many of the problems in your country are directly related to your educational system.
slowen11
Like how America is a region and not a country?
Nicalanius
Startrekker95
Do it again, Uncle Billy!
Nicalanius
?
nothingtowritehomeabout
As a progressive Southerner please don't do it again. There's a lot of great, intelligent folks down here and we're sorry for the bad apples
Artimak
Can you please convince the other educated southerners to vote this November?
nothingtowritehomeabout
Most do but I still encourage them to. The main issue here is the people who feel it's their patriotic duty to vote Republican or have gone
nothingtowritehomeabout
All in on Trump outnumber progressives by a wide margin unfortunately. I know a lot of good people that just completely buy in to the GOP
Artimak
I hear you. The GOP has done a frighteningly good job of convincing the lower & middle classes that they have their best interests at heart.
bearatrooper
Do it again Uncle Billy.
Nicalanius
?
Exsul
"DO IT AGAIN, UNCLE BILLY"
Nicalanius
Oh lawd he comin!
Macewindow
DEW IT AGAIN UNCLE BILLY!
Nicalanius
?
AStupidWeeb
Do it again, Uncle Billy!
Nicalanius
?
nothingtowritehomeabout
Oh and BTW, It's not the South, it's a mindset that unfortunately a lot of Southerners share, but it's national, look at freaking Michigan
Nicalanius
It also says “Confederate sympathizers”.
nothingtowritehomeabout
Good point, I'm just defending my region, but if we're starting a violent campaign akin to Sherman's march Michigan deserves it too lol
Nicalanius
I lived in Georgia for a few years. Only ever met a handful of people that could use a little Shermanating.
nothingtowritehomeabout
I lived in Savannah for 2 years, hands down my favorite place ever
Artimak
Upstate New York is like Mississippi without the drawl. I pass by several Confederate battle flags on my daily commute to work.
nothingtowritehomeabout
Wow, I've heard Vermont is like that too
Artimak
Unfortunately, you find a sense of anti-intellectualism in the most rural (and least educated) parts of most states.
IsaacNuetron
He might be planning on leaving....it's the flag of the losers, right?
Vaanhalen
Sometimes they're doing it for the joke. And the photographer is in on the joke. They're not being serious they're being clever
fknbastard
Except like Poe's Law...we can no longer tell the difference between satire and the stupid shits who believe it.
Vaanhalen
Most of imgur could never discern satire.
HCBailly
That was my interpretation. He supports seceding from the union. I can't tell if I'm joking or not.
CyanideBreathMint
FairyKingOberon
Can we replace the French surrender stereotype with Confederate Surrender stereotype?
CyanideBreathMint
Yes, please.
mjangelvortex
I'd be fine with this, especially considering the stereotype about France isn't even truth to begin with.
CyanideBreathMint
Preach!
SpicySweetSpence
But then I can't make fun of Renaults. XD
CyanideBreathMint
The Alliance? Lmao
BlueBunnyBell
There is a movement that supports that idea. Source: my dad is part of it
4everwild
That is the flag of losers and morons
dfitt
/a/QWnmZq5
ShawnCurtis
It's also still on the Mississippi State flag which is kinda sad.
SmokyDoggg
The flag of traitors to our great republic
ElbeauDeepInAnElbeau
**Kleptocracy
eatyourmeat
That. And slavery
Allthegoodnamesweretakenbeckygod
But it was about states rights... states rights to own slaves.
eatyourmeat
Exactly
TacticalMoosez
Proof that you can kill a man...or army...but not an ideal, No matter how shitty.
newsguycraigevans
Proof that you can defeat an army but if you let the ideal survive it will fester for hundreds of years.
Ninjapanda1337
Sooo if someone has a British flag flying are they considered lovers and morons too? Cause well they lost a war to.
Ninjapanda1337
Losers***
AzgarOgly
Your comment demonstrates deep and detail understanding of history. Congratulations.
TheCaptain00
He's partly right; Virginia lost in that war. I'll grant you, R.E. Lee was no moron.
luke0echo1
Actually that is an old state flag. I forget which one. But that flag was changed a few years back. Alabama I think.
YellowDrank
Way to go out on a limb for your edgy beliefs.
FinnAndJakesTreeHouse
That’s a battle flag, not the rebellion’s national flag
Dekkonot
It's used as a traitor's flag, may as treat it as one
homoerection
So far 33 douche bags have downvoted you.
TheOneAndOnlyButtStabber
losers for sure and bad at losing! They lost forever ago, get over it...... fucking losers
Aldorin
You could just call them losers, and be factually correct. Why add the insult?
homoerection
Because the people still flying that flag are traitorous domestic terrorists. Fuck all of those people.
LifeIsARollercoaster
In this case moron is an accurate description. No intelligent person would do this
UnhelpfulAnswers
Because the flag is largely adopted by morons
DamnedAustin
It's an accurate description.
4everwild
That would be a lie because these losers are morons .
Tomadzo
He’s not wrong
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
Moron is also factually correct
GroovyCrowley
Because this flag is an insult.
mikeatike
Probably because they are morons, moron.
Nicalanius
Cuz they’re fuckin morons who don’t understand or refuse to acknowledge history
ElvisCatStello
Exactly this... They're allowed to be willfully completely stupid and ignore facts but I'm not allowed to point it out?
ElvisCatStello
Directly to them because it might hurt their feelings? I think they created a word for that actually.. What is it? Snow related ?
pawningpanda
They deserve it.
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
They deserve much worse
jonhamsandwich11
Harryteeters
Civil War Participation Flag
KommSusserTod
1st place runner up. Finish line was Appomattox.
diphenhydraminehcl50mg
The flag of Trump
TheRealArclight
TTeun
I read this as an insult to Trump, but it somehow feels like more of an insult to actual confederates.
ViolentlyOfferingBeerToSheep
i figured a flag of trump would be a picture of him back when his hair didn't look like a squirrel had sex with it
SilentScreamsX
I've seen older pictures of him. For such a rich dude, he never seems to have found a decent barber.
diphenhydraminehcl50mg
Correction, the unofficial flag of Trump
Akovsky
Sasurau
https://imgur.com/Sx11ELT.mp4 Almost goes up as fast as Georgia before Sherman.
PickledDundersnoot
That's because it's made in China
Akovsky
firefox7339
bartybastly
Democrats
Saric92
Good job on not understanding political history
ElbeauDeepInAnElbeau
Oooo are you here to start shit to
TheRealArclight
StewedTomaters
How many Democrats do you know who display the Confederate flag? How many Republicans do you know who display the Confederate flag?
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StewedTomaters
Oh, I'm sure there are SOME. But if we held a Racists' Convention, what affiliation would you expect to show up in force, in 2020?
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StarryPlough
People outside of the US might not be sure which of his flags you are referring to
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Arcanum3000
Have you considered the possibility that they are reviled *because* our differences are understood?
StephenDaniels
Give everybody but those black people over there liberty or give us death.
mikeatike
Yeah, these guys look like they are willing to work together.
donthaveonebrojustlurk
And that's totally what the historical record shows as well!
Cthulhuchooseyou
Ideaologies built on hate, racism, violence, and fear, coupled with a lack of deep critical thinking and empathy.
jetah
sounds like the ghetto being referred to.
Cthulhuchooseyou
This is that lack of deep critical thinking and empathy I was talking about.
jetah
because every comment on the internet require a 900 IQ.
RobotAccomplice
I mean we tried that...
newsguycraigevans
They want anyone not white to be treated as subhuman. I understand that and reject it. There is no middle ground. They need to grow up.
DonWrigley
You’re either really old or a time traveler. Come on, out with it! Do we need roads where we’re going?
OmniscientZiltoid
Would you really trust people who don’t know how to use a turn signal with a hover car? We’ll always need roads. Sorry, Doc
therealSnyper117
I am now thinking of flying suburban’s and it terrifies me.
Tobeeornottobee
And traitors, but that might be too harsh a word for them snowflakes
Asovietllama
Ohhhhhhh, way down south in the land of traitors
TheJudgingCat
Secession is completely legal and the civil war wasn't just about slavery. Taxes were insane and there wasn't representation for the south 1
TheJudgingCat
I'm NOT defending slavery, but people need to realize that wasn't the entire reason for the Civil War
SirCaptainDoctorProfessorMeowMeow
Officially the war wasnt about ending slavery anyways until the Gettysburg address. Again, slavery bad. But like you said there 1/?
SirCaptainDoctorProfessorMeowMeow
Other reasons as well. It's not nearly as simple as people make it out to be. 2/2
CrackheadGermanSheppie
I hear the "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" battlecries off in the distance
CanadianCobraChicken
And o'er the fields comes the army of pasty white people in broken down pickup trucks chanting "2nd AmEnDmEnT"
CrackheadGermanSheppie
We WanT HaiRCutS! It'S OuR rIgHT!
LuffyFett
Traitors and snowflakes
Silas007
US obsession with calling people traitors is a bit scary.
WoodfolkFae
yes they are the traitors for trying to be their own separate country, where did i hear that before?
Groetgaffel
Point and laugh children, point and laugh.
theonebuda350
California
natebitatibetan
Texas.
WoodfolkFae
if someone would like to tell me what is wrong with what i said instead of saying states, i want to learn from my mistake.
natebitatibetan
I am not sure but I referenced Texas because it was a Republic for a moment.
SmokyDoggg
Traitors is just fine by me. Every one of those fuckers said they didn't want to be part of the United States
TheSierraDeuce
As a white, conservative, southerner my whole life, never understood this. While I support of state's rights I find that flag abhorrent.
NRXNext
Cuck
zHurk777
From a design standpoint it is a beautiful flag. Too bad it has negative connotations.
Blkfox
Flag of traitors! Flag of ignorance! Flag of homophobic! Flag of Losers!
StewedTomaters
The "state's rights" argument is horseshit. Look at each state's Articles of Secession. They specifically list slavery as the reason why
StewedTomaters
they left. It was over a state's right to allow their inhabitants to own human beings and deprive them of individual liberties based on race
TheSierraDeuce
Yes, and that's why individual liberties should be priority. That's why the CSA claim of states rights was bullshit imo.
StewedTomaters
Yep. Pretty much any time someone says "state's rights," they can pick a CSA state for me and we'll look at their Article of Secession to
StewedTomaters
see the reasons they themselves chose to put in there. It's always "slavery"
CapttainKillJoy
Stars rights? Please explain.
TheSierraDeuce
In short, as long as the constitution and civil liberties are not violated, state A shouldn't be able to leverage the fed against state B.
TheSierraDeuce
Pt1. I.e. if MS votes to legalize casinos, but AL doesn't want casinos, AL can't force the fed to shut down MS because people from AL might
TheSierraDeuce
Pt2. Lose on tax revenue because people are spending money at MS casinos instead of AL...whatever people do in AL.
TheSierraDeuce
I apologize, your question deserves more respectful detailed answers. It's worth asking.
bigboneded
The Confederacy was against"State's Rights." Fed allowed Northern States to ban 'travel slavery.' CSA wanted that reversed.
Mrgoldenfold
YES! TY! They wanted a stronger central govt to enforce their laws. States rights my ass. Read the Articles, they didn't even mention them.
TheSierraDeuce
States rights is often a Confederate straw man I'll agree, doesn't mean I want to surrender all autonomy to Trump or whoever is in power.
TheSierraDeuce
That's why this conversation is so sticky. A mention of any state autonomy as if it were synonymous with the confederacy.
CyborgSpaceViking
Genuinely asking, but what does states rights mean to you?
TheSierraDeuce
It's a good question, in broad generalities it would be as long as constitutional law is followed, primary governance should be the state
TheSierraDeuce
For example, what Illinois decides about sales taxes, or civil ordinances shouldn't require California to adopt it.
TheSierraDeuce
Or just because New York want to do X, they shouldn't be allowed to leverage the federal government to make Wyoming do it too.
TheSierraDeuce
Apologies, it's difficult to give the respect in an answer your question deserves 140 characters at a time.
HessianGhost
Every time I have seen someone arguing for states rights, it has always been at the expense of individual liberties.
TheSierraDeuce
I would say in order of priority it should be individual civil liberties, local/states rights/ then federal.
HessianGhost
Sounds good in theory, but in practice look at the civil war. The states right in question was the right to own people.
MiguelCamino
The north didn't care so much about slavery they just wanted tariffs on the products of slavery.
TheSierraDeuce
Right, and that's why the individual's liberty is placed higher than the states.
HessianGhost
That is utterly meaningless when literally every time states rights are brought up, that is not the case.
TheSierraDeuce
It is certainly a balance of what people should be free to do and what they are told they must do.
Greenshield
And who enforces the individual's liberty against encroachment by the state?
BeesKneesJohanson
I blame the Dukes of Hazzard for romanticizing that flag tbh.
Bobeez
In the 70s and 80s it had a less aggressive feel to it, I think. The connotation has changed these past couple of decades.
copperdomebodhi
Used to buy the "heritage" argument. Found out Southerners only started to fly it again when Civil Rights movement had wins in the 1960's.
Jimbo1956
I hated that series but loved the Daisy Dukes!
CapttainKillJoy
The song is pretty good too
FortressCraft
In the Uk, that flag means nothing more than 'The one that was on top of the General Lee, which is a car.'
PlantainSuperNova
Did you know that neo nazis in Germany use the confederate flag in place of the swatstika?. Cause nazi iconography is illegal in Germany
mikeatike
chewbakken
CapttainKillJoy
This is master level trolling right here
Skawomplious
That's fucking awesome.
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
Now that’s a car
BeesKneesJohanson
TheSierraDeuce
No, it is the culture in the south that romanticizes it. Southerner my whole life, never understood it.
FlatPlutoSociety
Seeing it in Pennsylvania is the funniest shit imaginable. I mean, also deeply sad and awful, but still pretty funny.
IOnlyDrinkOnMonday
Grew up in Georgia, went to Ohio a few years agofor the first time and saw a barn with the confederate flag painted on the roof, like... Wut
benpoon
It is not “the south’s culture” but a group of morons that live in south. They live all over the world as well.
flacoloco
KKK was a very family rooted org, so fathers, sons, uncles, brothers all had some sort of involvement in it, plus disdain for the north
flacoloco
My apologies, not was. IS.
sicsided
It's confusing living up in MN and seeing people who I know were born here fly it on their truck, pole, etc.
YesMrScorpion
My guess: they're fans of slavery
TheWorstWeasley
MAGA?
ValyrianHero
I know a lot of people who do it and aren’t racist, it feels like south heritage to them but I’m 100% sure they misunderstand the meaning
TheSierraDeuce
Yeah, my argument is go to customink, Shutterstock or clip art and find a new logo then.
1wholurks
Winterous
Ooh that flows well.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
trippingthelightfantastic
Sumtinstink
You know why he didn't burn Savannah to the ground?
samwyze
Why?
Sumtinstink
We gave them punch.
samwyze
It took some Googling, but it checks out. Now I want to try it.
Sumtinstink
Good old knockout punch...
PrinceRupert
*Nov. 15, but yes, those folks could use a good "talkin' to" from Sherman...
geraint616
I didnt know america had a version of this classic children's poem. The US one seems cooler, but then again, it's not about a terrorist plot
endlessnumbereddays
Well it is sort of about treason just not Sherman’s treason.
MenchiDoodle
So Sherman is a hero to the leftist imgurs now becuase he butchered a lot of Southerners who were non-combatants, gotcha.
kissmine2000
Didn’t butcher enough.
CatShapeShifter
I'm not right leaning at all, but people excusing that bc they were "southern scum" are horrible. They were human beings with families
OldSchool93
Flechet
yes please
monimoomo
John20012
rsande
U for United?
TShooter59
I sincerely hope sherman is in hell with his back broke and his entrails on fire.
TheRealArclight
found the southern redneck
kissmine2000
Gotta move all the traitorous southern scum to make room for him.
Dustorn
Never mind the fact that Sherman would've been one of those traitorous scum if he lived a few miles to the South.
CapttainKillJoy
Roll2d12Necrotic
I cannot explain how much this made me laugh.
TheFuckfaceWhisperer
Do you know who said that? Mel, the cook on Alice.
1wholurks
Boot to the head.
CapttainKillJoy
Well, kiss my grits
1wholurks
https://youtu.be/Z8VD4JXUozM
ihearyoubarkingbigdog
But this doesn’t make sense. Sherman was a force of great pain for the southern states. They would use the motto of remembering him as a way
ihearyoubarkingbigdog
To advocate for allowing the confederate flag to fly. Hence use the flag to remember Sherman’s destruction and how the north laid waste.
Mentok
If they want to remember they can just fly a white flag. Real Americans shouldn't be flying a traitor flag.
JustJoe2047
IDK. Starting to rethink letting the Confederate states go and take Trump with them. Real Americans stay. Rest get the south. It's a win win
Mentok
Sure but no one's asking to leave now. They decided they'd rather everyone else leave instead. And, nah.
Silas007
States should have the option to independence with 66-75% support in a proper referendum (sth that is written into the constitution in my1/2
Choreopithecus
Woah. Even if Sherman’s tactics were useful in winning the war, crimes against civilians should not be commended. It’s with sorrow that >>
Choreopithecus
We should remember that things happened the way they did. Not with glee to forget the horror and use it as a slap in the face to neoconfeds
CatShapeShifter
Exactly. He killed people. And people on here excusing that bc they don't agree with the politics of it is ridiculous
BrianStuart
While I'm a fan of Sherman, I'm curious why no one makes memes of his boss, General Grant.
MenchiDoodle
Becuase he was a talentless drunk who won by butchering his own men alongside the rebels.
BrianStuart
If you think that, then you don't know much about General Grant.
PureOdio
Among my more sardonic old-school tabletop war-gaming friends, this was known as the "1864 Atlanta Special."
Nuttsy
Niiiiice.
MiguelCamino
Lee was a man of honor who was on the wrong side. Sherman was a monster who was on the right side. Why is only one considered evil?
nextboldmove
Probably on account of the slave-owning.
MiguelCamino
Sherman owned slaves and killed innocent women and children just because they were in his path.
Dustorn
Quick reminder that Mr. Sherman was pro-slavery.
PlueRyvius
That whole wrong side bit.
CyanideBreathMint
Blue4Five
READTHISUSERNAME
My favorite pastime is seeing if printed/displayed Confederate Flags are upside down. This is another one that fits the bill
SocoFox
Yes, but when he's sucking his boyfriend's dick, it looks correct. YeeHaw
LordSintax79
To be fair, it WOULD be flying upside down. Confederacy's kind of been in danger since the late 1800s.
mirria
How is it upside down? Isn't it symmetrical both ways?
JonnyTightlips
No, 5-point stars are not vertically symmetric.
derringermeryl
I’ve never thought about it, but I guess the star in the middle would be pointing straight up if you flipped it over.
READTHISUSERNAME
All the stars are actually upside down!
Sasurau
JeffGriffin
I kinda want that on a shirt now
tomyironmane
Every time I see the confederate battle flag, I get "Marching through Georgia" stuck in my head, I swear.
JewishMonk
I hear "The Sign of the Southern Cross"
tomyironmane
I'm an Ohio boy. Sherman was born just down the road a way.
hogeyegrex
ChristianSalge
one of their flag designs actually was basically a surrender flag called the confederate stainless banner
mydamnkidsdontthinkimfunny
https://imgur.com/4wgpIWx
LoudAngryJerk
lol oooof
themexicanwave
Those 7 downvoted are sweet. Fuck those people. Ha
jdasler
This comment is perfection
Xenarion
What is the second one?
hogeyegrex
The first national flag of the CSA.
override367
All he had to do was put out a public safety warning to not set your own cities on fire and they would have done it themselves
CutlassAndClean
The confederate flag is another nation's flag, a nation separated from the USA and lost, the USA today is one created from the union 1/2
CutlassAndClean
Flying that flag is un-American and ironically flown by those who claim what is and is not American
Thubanis
Sort of like it's "treason" to the UK for people in Scotland to fly the national flag of Scotland I suppose.
FubarJunkie
The union jack ?? is a combination of the English Flag ??????? and Scottish Flag ???????
QuartzPoker
No. The CSA were part of the US, then threw a tantrum and murdered a bunch of good American soldiers.
MarcUK
Um, no. Scotland is a country in it's own right. We also just happen to be a member of The United Kingdom of Great Britain.
LiamO92
And northern Ireland. Everyone forgets Northern Ireland
Thubanis
And, if what you say about the South being a separate nation is true then Southerners become a protected group. "National Origin" and all.
Thubanis
And attempts to eradicate Southern symbols could be considered Genocide.
Lostcause103
Except Scotland had a long history of independence from England prior to unification. It was a country in it's own right for hundreds of
sciencebasedlifeform
You mean "the war of northern aggression" ?
TheRealArclight
found the southern redneck....
CatShapeShifter
No, no. He's completely right. Why are you celebrating someone burning down a city, with woman, children, and innocents?
TheRealArclight
there weren't innocents there, they were evacuated days before.......
CatShapeShifter
I'm sorry, you're right. But there was still industry, infrastructure, and civilian property that he burnt down. How is that not a war crime