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This is the Antler Restraunt & Bar in Toronto's west end. The specialise in "game" meats like boar and venison.
For the last 4 days it has been under protest by a group of vegans. (the restaraunt also offers a number of vegetarian/vegan options)
This is the appropriately named owner Chef Michael Hunter
In an act of passive-aggresion only possible by a seasoned Canadian, Chef Michael recently made headlines by wordlessly set up a butcher table in front of the protesters and carving up a venison leg. He later returned with a steak from the deer and ate it silently while staring at them.
I'm actually not a fan of farm raised "game" animals, but I am a fan of annoying pushy vegans like this.
Edit: Front page, wow thanks guys. Please send game recipes and vegan jokes.
briham86
"the appropriately named owner Chef Michael Hunter" What else are you gonna do with a first name like Chef?
gonzothegreat99
This Toronto User will be making an immediate res there
luis81
Can’t you just eat your vegan food and shut the hell up about being vegan? WHO CARES! People can choose what they want to be. Dnt be A-holes
Kitographer
Okay now tell that to the people who can't just eat their animal flesh and shut the hell up about it. Don't be a-holes.
pyroshen
Fun twist, a new article just said they are overloaded with reservations now. Viral marketing at its best
mordain23
nice publicity stunt right ? cheap to hire a few people for a day, make a sign, and have non-disclosure agreements
Migotchi
PSA, most of the protests were about the restaurant serving foie gras, which is based around forcefeeding geese to fatten their livers.
Cilvaa
Joke's on the vegan protesters, the publicity they caused and the chef's response will probably increase Antler's patronage a fair bit.
EyeSirius
I love this! I'd much rather eat at a place like this than chains who support slaughter houses. Good on 'im!
r2droo2
As a straight man, I'd totally bang chef Michael
LosPer
Bottom or top?
r2droo2
Whatever he's into
Mammasheen
He is hot!
Savy0324
Yep. So darn cute!
JayEnfield
You are admiring Mike Hunter? Just don't say that you are admiring Mike Hunter out loud. Especially not 3 times in a row quickly.
NotADodgeBallCannon
I'm a dude and agree!! Give this man a hammer and some lightning!!
AnotherBaratheonBastard
Came here for this comment. He fine.
DYLANLEE79
Yep
bluegargoyle
Shit, I'm a straight guy and he'd still be way up on my "if I had to choose a dude" list.
vogel15
Like I’m considering moving to Canada HOT!!! Plus he cooks. Probably brews beer and builds things too.
ILoveTomHiddleston
I only came here for this comment
woodlez
yup
larzipans
Amen
kgammaray
Yup
catloafing
M'hm, m'hm.
DoctorDudeBruh
So you are saying you'd eat his meat?
adriedupoldprune
Hell yes. One must sample all the meats on offer.
ILoveTomHiddleston
Yes
Mammasheen
I would chow down upon it
DukeSilverstein
Gladly... and in front of the vegans as well
MrsPeacockintheStudywithaRope
Chef is a hotty... can serve up anything he wants.....
honestlynotarealperson
Chef Hunter is more than a piece of meat
Ne7RideR
The hunting community is incredibly misrepresented; mostly thanks to themselves. Most hunters support and volunteer a ton of time to /1
Ne7RideR
Conservation organizations that are on the ground actively helping habitat and the species that live there. /2
Ne7RideR
We need to stop posting grip n grin photos without context and show how much there is to hunting. Being in the outdoors, great food etc...
PleaseNotTheFace
How many times does the same story have to be repeated on FP? At last count for me: 4.
mezaway
Ridiculously good-looking smartass is my fetish.
4thBillyGoatGruff
Once again it all comes down to “don’t be assholes to each other, live and let live.”
Jalfred1992
Live and let live is exactly what the vegans are promoting though...
Koztah
"Live and let live as long as that life that is similar to us." The difference is the cutoff point for "similar to us"
Jalfred1992
Does arbitrary difference justify moral devaluation?
Koztah
It's a biological fact that we can't, in fact, "live and let live." Something has to die. And as you said, the difference is arbitrary.
Jalfred1992
If something has to die, does that justify killing any amount of beings regardless of their sentience?
blazera
you could pick this intelligent self aware pig. or you could pick this unfertilized egg which has not and will never have a thought
fuhktard
As a vegan who thinks people should eat whatever they want: good on him.
Baguette2000
"I would never own slaves myself, but the anti-slavery movement goes too far, people should be free to do whatever they want"
ChingChongNein
Care cup is empty, zero fucks given. Chef is a legend
wizoko
But game meat is the most environmentally friendly and can help the environment #ImAnEnviromentalBiologist
Baguette2000
What about human game, environmentally speaking?
RyanAndTheQuestForWorldDomination
Ah humans... the most dangerous game...
wizoko
That's the most environmentally friendly
dbsamurai
There's a very large collection of human game that would better the environment if it was killed and eaten. It's currently in DC.
punchedinthefacebyamannowdead
As a vegan EXCEPT game: hunting deer doesn’t have huge C02 footprint, doesn’t waste water, fewer deer=preserves biodiversity along MS river
Baguette2000
It is sensible, environmentally speaking. Still raises ethical dilemmas for me, don't you think?
wizoko
Plus the deer populations are booming because of the decline in predators making most states implement a 2 doe for 1 buck law.
Anxietyeatseverything
Damn the owner is hot.
superstargalaxy
I didn’t hear about this place until vegans started making a scene. Booked a reservation there with some friends to try it out now lol.
FlyingDorito
Same here. I have always wanted to try venison, but didn't know where to go. :D
tamaradactyl
It's so FUCKING good!!! Love going there.
Cambriane
One of my fave places in Toronto! Have fun! I need to go back again to support them.
theHatredburrito
Next time im in toronto im doing the same
UltraBooster
This is why i think protesting is stupid. All you do is annoy people and ensure that others dislike you and your cause
HarryDHaller
a friend of mine did put horseshit in front of his reastaurant at night to make it look like he got "attacked" by vegans. PR genius
Kitographer
What the actual fuck. Your friend is an asshole. Genius to attack yourself and point the finger at someone else, huh?
HarryDHaller
never said pr genuises arent assholes
heyblackwolf
Hahaha my friends and I did the same thing
RalinStorm
only way they go down is if the SJWs get some judge to fine and or revoke their licenses through social pressure/threats.
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
Everyone panic, someone used an accurate term to describe them.
NotPapaEmeritus
Same, planning on taking my girlfriend. Looks like a great place and he's getting good publicity from all this
nerdsexual
I'm going to do the same next payday
JudgeDrench
No such thing as “bad press”...
buttholette
I dunno, I just read something pretty bad last night: http://people.com/crime/murder-charges-caleb-schwab-waterslide-decapitation/
trigger60
I really hope the guys business sky rockets because of this.
danimusicnote
Their business is already booming because of it. Though they were a pretty sweet place before the protest too.
wowbaggertheinfinate
Look up the white moose cafe in Dublin. The exact same thing happened
PonyMadness
From what I've read, the guy is pretty rude to people, but he's made a ton of money since the incident. I still want to go there
blazera
not much generates sales better than spiting vegans
Blellushka
It's amazingly good.
UpvoteBacon
Welcome to the Barbara Streisand effect
Elpupperino
Just researched and learned this term from your post. Good stuff
Enternety
Explain for my friend who’s too lazy?
OddBrock
When someone puts so much effort into suppressing something, other people start wandering over to see what all the fuss is about
q2grapple
Bitching about it draws attention it wasn’t getting, from what I remember.
Nimashisah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
notsostealthyninja
Plot twist: the owner hired the vegans as a publicity stunt
GrampaJack
Genius!
shawnthor
Was going to suggest the same. I always think that when I see pointless protesting.
danielsan1977
This can't be murder because murder is the intentional killing of a human being by another human being with malice aforethought.
dieselpunk
Can a robot write a symphony, or paint a masterpiece?
danielsan1977
Can you?
Jalfred1992
Words have multiple definitions.
danielsan1977
Well, yeah. There's also a difficult task, punish someone, be angry with someone, defeat a game opponent or spoil by lack of skill.--
danielsan1977
--Also, it's a group of crows, but I don't see how any of those definitions apply here.
Jalfred1992
"to slaugther wantonly", from Merriam-Webster. But the regardless of definitions we can understand what the protesters are getting at 1/2
Jalfred1992
2/2 likely that it is killing an innocent sentient creature that didn't want to die. The salad example is inaccurate, and seems dishonest.
danielsan1977
It still refers to human beings.
eppykaze
Salad is murder
casbott
JamesAHarrod
GlacierLife
tasty tasty... well, if you add some ranch or dressing it is
Distilled84
https://youtu.be/KmK0bZl4ILM
foxatomic
YES THANK YOU! My mind immediately went here!
LickLickLickMyBalls2
#plantlivesmatter
Kittynomnoms
Plants can actually recognize they're being harmed and I really doubt they're happy about it.
ScotTradamus
C'mon guys, my food eats that stuff.
Rocket350
Our food shits on their food.
ChoochyMcGee
Got food poisoning from eating a salad last Saturday, felt like salad was trying to murder me.
Unagi604
Should have made it out of meat.
mezaway
I'm going to eat a bunch of broccoli and cauliflower tonight to avenge you.
PolyphaseAvatron
Revenge is a dish best served with ranch dressing.
mezaway
We should get married.
Jalfred1992
Animals are sentient creatures who suffer and are mourned by their peers, is this not what makes the word murder relevant?
FoxySpirit
Only some animals mourn their dead and they are mostly respected. But like, chickens? Fuckin psychos. Plus why have plants thorns again?
Jalfred1992
I agree, but I can still empathise with their use of the word murder, and see how "salad is murder" is invalid satire. The existence of 1/2
Jalfred1992
2/2 a self defence mechanism doesn't indicate sentience or moral value.
FoxySpirit
What if I told you plants had pheromone comunication so that when one is damaged the others can brace themselves for the impact? Small spark
PolyphaseAvatron
No.
Jalfred1992
I'm sorry you disagree. If I asked why it would be wrong to kill you, would not many of your reasons apply to non human animals too?
PolyphaseAvatron
Even if you did place humans and animals at the same level, why complain about us doing what animals do to each other on a daily basis?
Jalfred1992
Humans also kill humans on a daily basis, does this justify murder?
PolyphaseAvatron
No, they wouldn't. Murder is killing a human. Animals are not on the same level as humans, socially or ethically.
Jalfred1992
I would love to hear your reasons then, and who is saying non human animals are on the same level as a human?
TheRaiderofRandom
An unlawful killing, specifically. If you're killing people for a government or animals for your table, it's just another day.
HagglingtonBearPig
This comments section is a fun game of playing spot the vegan!
Kitographer
Also a fun game of playing spot the hypocrites with cognitive dissonance.
mysecretshameishookersworthonequarterportion
Curiosity question: is venison nice? I've never had it.
evilcarp
Tastes a lot like Vegans.
Evern
I really like it, but it's a strong taste (especially if it's from a buck in rut). Steaks and roasts are good, but pepperettes are amazing.
BlueElephant92
had it once, didn't like it that much, but I guess it really depends on how you prepare it
jimcrunch
Venison tasted weird to me but Deer Jerky is good.
liana77
I'm not a fan of "game" meat because it tastes too different...ly from what I'm used to.
pesticidefree
Too lean for me.
nutbab
My favorite kind of meet. It's very lean but cooked right it will blow your mind!
teknosapien
Cooked right it’s amazing. Very lean meat.
Thatguythatknowsbetter
I'd happily push past em and enjoy a steak. Like small businesses don't have it hard enough
HenryGR
then take a picture and tweet it. One of the two biggest newspapers in my country published my tweet in their site. 3/4 (sorry about that)
E30doindirty
Well it's actually probably good publicity for him at this point and has a stack of reservations.
HenryGR
few years ago and started doing the usual. I decided to eat a pork shoulder sandwich in front of them https://imgur.com/UNu9KEV 2/3
WellThatsOriginal
As a small business owner you rock.
Thatguythatknowsbetter
https://www.eater.com/2018/3/28/17171962/toronto-chef-butchers-deer-vegan-protesters-antler
Anxietyeatseverything
They are seriously making demands from him...they have no right too? I’m so confused.
DannyDLC
that's a law suit in the gee at old maple leaf
dippydoda
Amen
Baguette2000
It is an issue, but another issue.
vonsteyr
They just want him to stop serving foie gras, not to go out of business. Foie gras is produced under insanely cruel conditions.
Thatguythatknowsbetter
https://www.eater.com/2018/3/28/17171962/toronto-chef-butchers-deer-vegan-protesters-antler
Thatguythatknowsbetter
The woman in that article literally says she won't be happy until restaurants stop selling all meat.
DougDeNasty
*if I were rich* I'd bring in local biker gangs for an all-you-can-eat everyday the protesters were there.
Thatguythatknowsbetter
Yeah but then you're stuck with them scaring off your customers
bombshelldrummer
Why? Bikers are some of the most awesomely charitable people you’ll ever meet. Don’t believe everything you see on tv it’s not good for you.
JmanSharpshot
Here’s an example, these guys are awesome: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Soldiers_MC
JmanSharpshot
Yes I know wikipedia isn’t a reliable source generally but it’ll do for stuff like this
TheMythicalJackalope
As a small business owner, thank you. It is people like you who keep us going.
DriftJAK
I’ll start the changa line, straight through the protesters. “You don’t make friends with salad, you don’t make friends with salad...”
lilcompensate
Ha
retrocosmos
How about the chimichanga line?
HusbandsBulge
Hmm, ”win friends”?
DriftJAK
Yup... that’s what I meant. You know you’re getting old when you start forgetting Simpson’s references
HusbandsBulge
Tru dat, but that episode is in a league of its own.
DireSongbird
Simpson's Reference
HusbandsBulge
Haha, yeah, but phrased wrong.
LumpWithaLeafHat
They literally are just getting him free advertising. I would never have known about this place if not for their protest.
CongoPeafowl
After reading this, I want to go. :)
YouThinkThatsBad
A flight from Chicago isn’t too expensive and this concept sounds really interesting. Thanks vegans for bringing this to my attention!
paesano2000
Ok there mr rich guy who can afford to fly over to eat some deer!
SteevyT
I wonder if my wife would like to visit next time we're in Chicago.
hodorgoestomordor
It's in Toronto, not Chicago.
SteevyT
Fuck.
3dartwork
I think the model-looking chef should have tables facing the window so we all can eat looking at the assholes
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
Dinner and a show. People pay extra for that.
Poopoopeepeevagina
I’m sure his restaurant is taking off big time because of this
3dartwork
Soon as the people see he's basically what men wish we looked like......
SauteThoseOnionsYouSickBastard
Man, I'd come with you and enjoy one of their vegan dish that they apparently serve. I'm 7+ years vegan and can't stand those useless action
HenryGR
I had an interesting week after that lol 4/4
HenryGR
I live in Argentina. Here, BBQs (kind of, we call them ASADO) are a big deal. We have a national championship. Vegans attended to it a 1/3
redpillpuffin
yeah..the whole shoving a tube down a ducks throat and making its liver swell horribly its whole life part...oh wait its banned in australia
SqueakShow
Sadly we can still import it. Horrible practice.
redpillpuffin
and several other european countries, for what I can only guess, is incredibly inhuman animal treatment for a weird frenchie delicacy
redpillpuffin
quick lets go out and electroshock snails to make them secrete some weird substance and eat it and claim its our heritage
redpillpuffin
wikipedia page is somewhat funny, the french claim it is "gastronomical heritage" dafuq?
SomethingSomethingTraLaLa
Apparently the issue is he serves foie gras, which is banned in some places because it is pretty cruel.
middlesex
http://calgaryherald.com/news/toronto/toronto-chef-butchers-eats-deer-leg-in-front-of-animal-rights-protesters-outside-his-restaurant/wcm/dc
middlesex
Granted it's from Calg (we like meat) but it doesn't sound like it's just about foie gras from the protestor they interviewed...
middlesex
Also forgot its syndicated
stukajr
Apparently the issue they were protesting was not very clearly communicated. Judging by the "MURDERER" sign in the picture.
zFUBARz
It was not, none of the signs or sidewalk chalk they were using said anything about it. I Just assumed they hate game meat walking by.
Goatsarepeople
Their loss, foie gras is delicious. More for me.
DoobieMcJoints
bcaon derrr!
netboygold
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras
griffonsgalore
TIL fois gras can be dated back to ancient Egyptian times. There's even hieroglyphs depicting it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras
seanymcseanface
Not to mention disgusting
thecharacterzero
Foie gras is absolutely delectable
likuidlightning
Gonna leave this hear, a cogent defense of foie gras: https://www.seriouseats.com/2015/01/foie-gras-new-fire-for-an-old-debate.html
likuidlightning
here*
asantity
Wow. A good read. Thanks
Guidocat
I didn't even know what that was until this comment, just read the wiki, it's pretty upsetting, and I'm a man that loves to eat a bird.
C141Clay
Damn, I can pretty much describe myself as 'fois gras', and looking in the mirror, I wouldn't eat me either.
griffonsgalore
I love me some meat, but the whole meat industry is upsetting. The birds are only force fed for about 12 - 17 days of their 100 day life.
iravendarknessi
FYI: it CAN be done naturally without force-feeding the animals. It just lowers production and profit so its not done that way often.
talenphillips
There's a difference between killing something to eat it, and fucking torturing an animal until you kill it.
BurntToast127
Tbh if I had to torture an animal to eat and survive, I would and wouldn't feel bad.
moosaka
It's really frigging good.
HormonalWoman
Which type. there is force fed and then there is the more natural option.
SomethingSomethingTraLaLa
Either one still sounds pretty gross, eating yourself to death until you burst at the seams is a terrible way to go.
thecharacterzero
Natural as in not force fed sweet corn
HormonalWoman
Dunno sounds like many humans, I am fat... yet I still eat :/
NeoBrunswickois
They specifically targeted the restaurant for a sign that said "venison is the new kale." That they also serve foie gras came out later
mezaway
The best way to protest something is to not patronize the place. Just don't eat it.
SomethingSomethingTraLaLa
The restaurant is well know for their foie gras and local sourced meat. Good on eating local, negative points for the foie.
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sparrowace
my friend is wondering what the ethical version of foie gras is i know but i dont wanna explane it to them
thedarkdesert
The ethical kind involves letting the birds fatten themselves up by their own volition as they do just before migrating.
konelhft
But kale is horrible and needs to stop being a thing, while venison is delicious so I don't understand the comparison.
SomethingSomethingTraLaLa
I like both, but I guess it means game meat is a new trendy food.
kmikl
It really never wasn't, at least not in Ottawa: There have been restaurants that have served it for something like 20 years or so.
Cheomesh
I like both.
gtrman22000
Kale and venison go well together.
kmikl
Agreed. Kale is an excellent liner for the green bin, keeps the ants off the venison bones.
Hegamonia
Had deep-fried kale a couple times, was surprisingly good
Pangs
Kale tastes great.
zFUBARz
It does not. It's bitter and tough to chew. Have you tried eating damn near anything else? Lettuce, broccoli, peas, beans, carrots? all good
jdraitt
So he *does* serve fois gras? That’s a bit much, even for me. I’m out.
C141Clay
Damn, I can pretty much describe myself as 'fois gras', and looking in the mirror, I wouldn't eat me either.
killer10347
You don't have to order it. In fact, if you visit the restaurant and buy something else, you could contribute to them getting rid of it.
killer10347
If a bunch of people go and avoid the fois gras, it's possible they will get rid of it in favor of more popular/profitable options.
W92Baj
Dont order it then
iravendarknessi
Does anyone know if its natural fois gras or force-fed fois gras?
margaretolson
There is such thing as ethical fois gras but I've no idea which kind this place serves
redpillpuffin
ethically making a ducks liver swell and force feeding it food because it wouldnt naturally eat that much...do explain ?
margaretolson
Ps. I don't actually eat foie. Just love food so I read about it a lot
margaretolson
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/18/the-farmer-who-makes-ethical-foie-gras
CreateYourOwnNormality
There is one small farm in Spain making ethical foie, versus 23,000 tons per year made unethically everywhere else.
margaretolson
I thought there was also a spot in California?
CreateYourOwnNormality
There is also so called 'ethical foie' made in the USA, where rubber tubes are used instead of steel to scratch the throats less
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
The ONLY argument I support is an environmental one, we should eat LESS meat, doesnt mean you shouldn't eat it at all
ZedaZ80
I pretty much agree. It is far more efficient on the overall environment to eat less meat.
Huldra
I agree. Also my own experience is that less meat is better for my body.
HenryHolmes101
Why less?
iravendarknessi
And we overproduce and waste a LOT of meat and "non-edible" bits to supply the current demand for large amounts of meat. The amount of
iravendarknessi
food waste from grocery stores alone is terrifying and sickening. But people have to have what they want always available and we contribute
iravendarknessi
to supply and food waste.
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
It takes a huge amount of resources to grow livestock and get it to your table, but an only veg industry also has a huge impact
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
So sticking to 2-3 portions of meat a week would be a relatively healthy balance, the world is over populated for the food supply we have
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
At this point its either a case of making changes or we'll be om soylent green in a few decades
NeoBrunswickois
non-commercial hunting fishing are better for the environment than large scale plant agriculture.
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
As someone whos never hunted and only been fishing a few times, I totally agree.
sawkuh
And yet, large scale plant agriculture is used just to feed the large scale cattle industry. Hunting and fishing wouldnt be good if every1/
sawkuh
Person that wanted meat did it. I agree that hunting and fishing is healthy for you and the env but not as an ult alternative to all meat.
blazera
Hunting and fishing on a scale comparable to how much industrial agriculture produces? Really?
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
What??
blazera
they're proposing replacing industrial agriculture, which feeds billions, with local hunting and fishing. Enough to also feed billions
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
No theyre not.. someone hunting and feeding himself is less damaging and more natural than turning huge areas of countryside to growone crop
ZedaZ80
I concur with the other user: What?? I think you a word or two.
ialwaysexpectthespanishinqusition
the thing is it takes up land, less land for agriculture means more land for the environment.
blazera
yes, it takes up land, and uses it very efficiently to feed billions.
ialwaysexpectthespanishinqusition
just saying is how it is comparable. the environment can ether support a natural environment with game or a large farm.
bb2b
Would just like to mention that they serve foie gras. Which you don't have to be vegan to be against. Protest against THAT instead.
argentfenix
But it's fucking delicious!
Baguette2000
So is raping, I guess.
CreateYourOwnNormality
They are doing, specifically. And someones taken their picture of them doing so. All the text above is OP's anti-vegan circlejerk bullshit
Goatsarepeople
I would never protest foie gras, it's amazing.
dieselpunk
I've never had it and I generally don't like liver, but I'd be willing to try it just out of protest.
bb2b
You can also protest against the cruel and unethical treatment of battery raised meats as well.
bb2b
I for one love options and a varied diet with the option to indulge local dishes without worry. So, veganism is out the window for me.
bb2b
I would love to eat guinea pig that had just been squeaking away merrily in some grass filled pen... Just don't butcher it infront of me.
blazera
The hell
bb2b
Steppes staple. Guinea pigs are essentially smaller rabbits and are efficient feed-protein converters. I'm just saying I'd love to eat one.
Baguette2000
But to be honest there is no industrial meat well treated, even out of batteries and feed lots.
ThatGuyWhoThinksEveryoneIsAPineapple
What is foie gras?
winterbiss
Duck or goose liver. They force feed both animals and restrict their movement. Force feeding sometimes leads to their stomachs bursting or
winterbiss
tearing, which leads to a painful and slow death. This is, of course, a French thing. Sigh.
C141Clay
Damn, I can pretty much describe myself as 'fois gras', and looking in the mirror, I wouldn't eat me either.
iravendarknessi
It's not a "french" thing it was a "ruling class wanted more than we could produce naturally" thing. That's how the current method started.
margaretolson
Just wanna say that I bought a duck straight from an open French farm in France and the liver was naturally fatty and intact inside the 1/
margaretolson
2/animal. I toured his entire farm and there was nothing unethical going on. The ducks were roaming freely
ThatGuyWhoThinksEveryoneIsAPineapple
Well, that's fucking horrible.
iravendarknessi
It CAN be done naturally without harm or stress to the animals. Its a much less mass producible and therefore more expensive option.
winterbiss
That's why it's outlawed in pretty much every European country except France. They think it's cool.
Sekai
Not to mention liver is just nasty and tastes like unscented brown crayons
delciotto
There are brands that do it ethical, letting the birds eat as much as they want on their own. Expensive of course since the livers are small
iravendarknessi
This is important information that people need. Its possible to have amazing fois gras WITHOUT harming the animals. Support this idea.
muscarinenya
You're describing industrial foie gras you transparent french hating jackass. Which is terrible like pretty much any industrial-animal food
muscarinenya
My own Godfather and his wife produce foie gras. The ducks live free, they have a huge land and lake for themselves
C141Clay
Can we NOT hate on French-Haters here? Hate on foie gras or not, but don't stop me from hating the French, it's tradition!
Gorillazfan21
Too bad it's in Canada, I want to go there now
AttemptsPhotography
Road trip?
Gorillazfan21
I sincerely wish I could
MrParallax
Been there a few times, if it ever visit, I highly recommend it.
Wolokos
I mean, we don't have a wall, so feel free to come up when you have some time.
NeoBrunswickois
We share a 9,000km border with minimal security. 22 million Americans visit Canada each year and the US is our top tourist destination.
Gorillazfan21
I just don't have the time or money right now to take a meaningful vacation
wandergeist
Unless you have a DUI. Then no Canada for you.
bicthief
I'm going next week. Let you know how it is
o4kill
steak with dots of sauce and some cabbage and fries
Gorillazfan21
Thank you, I'll hold you to that
ReverseTrapTsukasa
I don't regularly "Dot" a comment, but when I do I am intrested in the outcome.
sammyismycat
Is it near Niagra Falls by any chance? (I'm too lazy to Google it) I'm going in a few weeks.
chumpette66
You can take an hour long train to Niagara. You can do Niagara in an afternoon, unless you really want to go to weird museums/casinos
sammyismycat
Thank you!
reidypockets
About 2 hours. Quite different cities though
sammyismycat
Thank you!
stratus41298
Dude Toronto is an amazing city. Highly recommend it. It has everything like new York, but doesn't smell.
wandergeist
The Mayor's a dork / they dress real stupid / and they think they're New York. https://youtu.be/iRjurRdep_Q
jcosmic
"amazing" "doesn't smell"
Gorillazfan21
Never been to New York City either for that matter, there's quite a few places I want to see in Canada though
LeviSmith
I live like a 10 minute walk from the resteraunt, can confirm, no smell
IsDisassembled
Whereabouts in the city is it?
Cambriane
Dufferin and Dundas! West end.
YesImTheGuyThatStopTrafficMakingYouLateForWork
and a sea of cocaine, just ask the former mayor.
QuotesGoHere
Well it does on the two days farmers from up north all do their manure spreading day. then it smells of poop here for a bit
wandergeist
https://vimeo.com/145916492
speershawks
Worst case Ontario.
rizion
Its okay, just dont try driving there
TheRapMan
This guy. This guy right here
stratus41298
More like don't go through Buffalo. I go above lake Ontario and it's just fine.
naytorin
As much.
stratus41298
Well it is a city.
kmikl
Can confirm, lived in T.O. briefly, been to NYC before it got pussified. NYC definitely smells of piss, TO smells of armpit & shawarma.
TheRapMan
Habibi...
kmikl
Yeah Amin.. Garlic Bubblewrap soup... it must punish my upper and lower colon, and don't spare the turnip.
konelhft
Why would anyone go to Toronto when Vancouver exists? West coast is best coast.
jcosmic
Incorrect. East coast is best coast.
kmikl
Ah yes.. Vancouver. From the Sḵwx̱wú7mesh sníchim word meaning "Costs 5 times as much it would in Toronto"
konelhft
It's worth it to be that much further away from Quebec.
kmikl
Quebec is pretty great, but if you want to stay away, then please, do. :)
CaptainCapacitorr
100times more than montreal.. 67% of population below 34.. mucho mucho party! And the women!! Dam dont get me started
kmikl
I still like Montreal, fuck it, I'm over 40, it was a great city back in the day, and still pretty awesome.
crapmetal
What's the end game put one guy out of business? Deer need managing anyway so is it better to use the meat or throw it away.
ChallengerDeep
Nature is astoundingly more ruthless than a (well-placed) rifle bullet.
thedarkdesert
The protesters just made this restaurant more world-famous than most Michelin-starred restaurants, so it's safe to say that's an epic fail.
thedarkdesert
The amount of people who will avoid it due to agreeing with the protesters will be far outweighed by all the extra custom this get them.
duckgrad06
He isn’t going out of business, they just gave him tons of free publicity, he’s probably busier than ever.
margaretolson
His reservations have skyrocketed now. Hahaha
bigguywhokills
Plot twist: he hired the vegans as a "false flag".
blazera
anything to spite people that dont eat animals
thedarkdesert
Probably more a case of any publicity is good publicity. This restaurant became world famous overnight because of these protesters.
eviscera
Anything to spite people who think they have a right to tell US we can't eat animals.
Cymland
Read the protest leader would scale back the protesting if the restaurant offered less meat options and more vegetarian options. Owner (1/2)
Cymland
...countered with an offer to take them on one of his foraging expositions. No response. (2/2)
adriedupoldprune
The solution is more wolves. More wolves is always the solution.
Pheralg
my "headcanon" on people like them, is that they have way too much spare time. no job, no real hobbies, and so their brain goes full retard.
Baguette2000
Pure prejudice. They fight for what they think is just. What do you fight for?
Pheralg
The Mayans tore people’s hearts out...they thought it was just.
Baguette2000
The good thing with such relativism is that it also invalidates everything you say. Super effective.
Pheralg
Not really, they thought it was just, but it really wasn’t. Killing people for some imaginary god? Come on...same with those hippies ->
bigguywhokills
My dad once told me that in the 60's they were called "credit card hippies": well-off parents paid for everything.
TheRealEnigmaX
Never go full retard
blazera
you're just gonna admit its purely imagination like that?
Baguette2000
It is farmed "game".
Baguette2000
Not real game apparently.
ehoba666
Like they have an end game...People just complain to complain, especially if you're different than them.
sfrinlan
The end game would be to end game, no?
Jovelana
"But meat is murder and the animals die when you kill and eat them"
grapesforducks
At least the animal is dead before it is eaten. Salad is murder too! Salad is murder too!
Abelthiar
Then I poop them out, that fertilizes the grass, and they eat the grass. Cue the Lion King: Circle of Life!
EasterHareHairCollector
I hope so. Wouldn't want a deer running around in my stomach...
intthemainvoid
You forgot "... and they wouldn't die otherwise because animals in the wild are immortal"
blazera
This applies to human killing you know
intthemainvoid
Exaxtly ;)
blazera
yes let the wink mask using dumb logic
CHarbringer
How are you assume an animals finality.
PipeandSlippers
How are you sir. HOW ARE YOU??
CHarbringer
OH NO. I did not catch my mistake. Fuck.
IfPeeingYourPantsIsCoolCallMeMilesDavis
On top of these good points, hunters try to target the eldest males in the pack who have already reproduced many times in their life.
Baguette2000
Pure rhetorics. Vegans know animals die and kill each other.
NairouTryyshokk
"But the animals are people too!" Is basically their mindset.
Baguette2000
No shit sherlock.
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
Easy target, they dont want to push around Mcdonald who pushes 1000s of tons of meat everyday, cos..you know, their legal division.
C141Clay
Man, don't even joke about Mc.... Just don't.
nyaore
He's not the protestor's were specifically asked that question and they literally said he's the easier target (1/)
nyaore
http://nationalpost.com/news/toronto/toronto-chef-butchers-eats-deer-leg-in-front-of-animal-rights-protesters-outside-his-restaurant (2/2)
RayZerKai
'Meat'
deltaquadrant
There are so many deer out there, it could possible replace cow.
Andalite
The way they see it is that big chains won't listen to them, but small businesses might
spacecadet12
I don’t think they do these things to change the mind of the business owner but rather that of prospective patrons
Andalite
They've said outright that it's the mind of the owner they want to change.
dogsarebetterthanhuman
They also stated outright that they chose this restaurant BECAUSE it's small
Andalite
Right, because they are more likely to be able to change the owner's mind if the owner is there.
riddmkidd
Hey that's kind of like the US military industrial complex...
itshighnoonforlunch
Imho from stuff I have read some if not many of these vegan and environment groups view humanity as a plauge and want to force us backward
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
You should read other stuff.
thedarkdesert
Sounds like PETA. They're not pro-animal, they're anti-human. Not the same thing.
blazera
No you havent
iSoulend
there's nowhere to go back to though, it's more like going sideway
itshighnoonforlunch
Into teepees and crap so that we can't hurt mother nature anymore. But they also want to protect nature from doing what it naturally does
onthe6ball
teepees are covered with hide
buttholette
itshighnoonforlunch
Aka small forest fires, game predatation, and other such "dark side" of nature. This results in larger/worse Forest fires, and deforestation
itshighnoonforlunch
By swelling herbivore herds, which results in mass erosion etc. etc. And the circle of life gets all screwy. But hey it's all mankinds fault
Baguette2000
Yep, there are several kinds of environmentalism indeed. But most of them include humankind in their notion of sustainability.
Comintern
In Canada you can't actually serve wild caught game in restaurants except in Newfoundland
sLAppyMcBaLlz2
Quebec did a thing for a while where it granted some licenses to restaurants. PDC was serving squirrel etc
Alvatore
TIL there's enough meat on a squirrel to bother with the effort of getting it.
baronnapalm
I've not tried but I've heard squirrel is pretty decent. Kind of like a snack.
ConnorKeane
Kill 5-6 squirrels, skinning is easy, and if you cook them slow in a crockpot they’re awesome. Tough meat if you don’t do it right though.
Baguette2000
So all these people talking about deer regulation etc. actually eat farmed deers? Oh the irony.
Comintern
Or they hunt for and eat their own deer. But in the context of this restaurant yeah it's just farmed deer
Baguette2000
Sure, I was just talking about the patrons of this restaurant and those who defend it with this argument.
vonsteyr
They're not trying to put him out of business, they want him to stop serving foie gras, which is produced in insanely cruel conditions.
TheSwab
Source?
pbang
when i had seen this on twitter a few days ago there was a few articles on it. they all said that was the issue. ill see if i can dig it up
TheSwab
I was reading some other comments on here about it as well. Didn't know what foie grad was till just now looking it up. Not cool.
pbang
found some source https://www.blogto.com/eat_drink/2018/03/antler-restaurant-vegan-protest-toronto/ seems it is that and the use of farmed
PeteButtigieg
Not a vegan or animal rights activist but I don’t think they need managing. Without humans nature would take care of it.
Baguette2000
Your conception of nature is a bit flawed. Nature is not a God, just a human concept.
conservativenightmare26
Nature as in starving to death? Without the wolf population they need a predator. You would like to see them suffer? You are a monster!
yerd
Humans are nature.
LostScientist
Without predation, herds outgrow sustainable numbers and a die off begins through disease and starvation. A balance could be reached 1/2
LostScientist
but there would be more suffering. Also, herd pop. could swing past optimal equilibrium where good hunt practices could prevent that. 2/2
PeteButtigieg
Guess you’re right, the grizzly and wolf population is so low, maybe we should focus on beinging those back up.
conservativenightmare26
The reason the wolf population was culled was because ranchers would literally go out of business with a wolf pack nearby. You have to make
LostScientist
That is a thought that is tossed around occasionally, but most people don't want predators in their back yard.
flutterbyblue
Considering predator species can and do sometimes hunt humans, I'd still prefer human controls. And deer is tasty.
baronnapalm
Grizzly don"t hunt and wolf population is incompatible in heavy agricultural regions. So artificial control "hunting" works wonders.
Magpiebones
This particular place has "game"=farmed deers.
Baguette2000
Oh the irony. All these people thinking of them as tough eco-pragmatic men eating wild animals for the good of True Nature ^^
baronnapalm
Well that's because they can't hunt and serve actual game. It's illegal in most of Canada. As far as I know anyways.
Magpiebones
Hunting is very much legal there, at least.
baronnapalm
Yes but what I mean is they can't go hunt the game and then sell it commercially in a restaurant.
malikcarr
Hypothesis: get more people eating game meat, increases public demand for it, more people hunt, less deer/boar overpopulation.
Magpiebones
Unlikely. People already hunt for offered rewards if it's a "problem species". I think this is just dickwads harassing a business.
malikcarr
You'd be surprised how poorly advertised that is. Local gov't also likes to make it more difficult in a lot of places.
Canadoug
But it's not natural. Other than us no animal has ever killed another in the history of our planet. It just doesn't happen in nature.
PunishedEdge
IncredibleViolence
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
Dude, I was at a coyote meeting the other day and they were really concerned about the rabbit population down by the river.
KoolKidForSure
Ffs man use an /s. Downvoted you until I re read it the 5th time
Canadoug
No. If you thought that was serious that's on you.
MrMaRzZ
I hated you for a second because I didn't get it...after I got it, I hated you a bit more for tricking me you bastard.
FallenFraggle
Are you calling David Attenborough a liar as he narrates all those nature documentaries where animals kill and feed on others?
Canadoug
Those are fake CGI films created by George Soros.
Armin2015
Are you thick?
Marquistador101
Hes being satirical man, relax.
DatSEAsian4ever29
BurntToast127
Holy shit...only reason I realized this was a joke was from the mass amount of upvotes. Someone put up the "there is no chill" image
blazera
Who is this parodying
Silverdogz
Classic vegan line.
DinaRaven
Nope.
blazera
who, this is a dumbass strawman
LilPorker
Someone tell me what is going on
HootieLaRue
Please tell me this is sarcastic. I can't tell anymore. I've spent too long on the internet to read intent correctly.
LeChez
Canadoug
If I wasn't sarcastic I'd probably kill myself because I'd be too dumb to live.
RistaSRB
MrMaRzZ
Would it be OK if I were to eat you afterwords? I mean, if animals killed themselves would it be ok to eat them then? Am I just really high?
f4m0us4m0s
Good thing you're in Canada, because if you were in the US watching our circus you would be dead and in the ground
HootieLaRue
At least a circus is entertaining. I'm not really enjoying living in an Onion article come to life.
FrogPaste
You'd probably be too dumb to kill yourself, too, then.
Llohr
On purpose, maybe.
Sheaxis
drink some rope and hang yourself with bleach kind of dumb?
WhiteWalkingWalterWhite
Yes, same with other animals. So many cow, pig etc species wouldn't exist without the meat industry. There's simply no other use for them.
baronnapalm
Pig would. As wild boar anyways. Have you seen what they're doing in the U.S? They reproduce like rabbits. 300lb rabbits.
WhiteWalkingWalterWhite
True, but I was thinking more of that nobody would breed certain species, if there's no demand for the meat.
Baguette2000
So nice of you. There would not be black people in America without slave trade. Yet they still complain. They did not even pay for the ride!
WhiteWalkingWalterWhite
1/Dude, stop putting black people into that. I'm simply talking about economics - offer and demand...
Baguette2000
That the parallel makes you feel bad is legitimate... and intended. Don't understand the supply and demand argument.
WhiteWalkingWalterWhite
2/what do you think would happen to the majority of cows, if nobody would want meat/milk? Is there a point in mass breeding them anymore?
WhiteWalkingWalterWhite
3/ it might be sad that they die in the end, but a lot of humans eat meat, other animals eat meat - so we breed to have the meat.
Baguette2000
It is precisely the point to stop breeding billions of new ones again and again, so I don't understand your point.