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TylerDurdenJunior
That would act be something I would support. Free the vaccine science!
briham86
"North Korean bootleg vaccines" sounds like a plot element for a sitcom. Like an Always Sunny episode, "The Gang Cures COVID."
CrashInfinite
Easy solution: make the vaccine free. No profits = no bootlegs.
IWasGoingToMakeEspresso
Wait... are we surprised? The NK economy is based on manufacturing counterfeit dollars, methamphetamine, and statues of Kim Jong Un.
Antumanke
If the bootleg is the same quality and same function.. flood the market IDC
pr3viso
Need Crisper for the vacc. Don't think they could. It's not rocket surgery
Captainplanetmotherfucker
Title's a little clickbait. Saying it "hacked" pfizer, only for the sample to say they only attempted to do so.
Quenya3675
N.K. must be valuable in some way to the one percent otherwise chubby dick head would have been dead a long time ago.
Idonotbelievewehavecompany
Yep, not a surprising move
lostlittletimeonthis
Didn't the Russians do the same right at the start of the pandemic?
cominginhot
what, taking the side of your billionaire overlords?
Youhavinagiraffe
...or an egregious one either. I'm in favour of just giving them vaccines anyway. We need everyone vaccinated
razorbelly88888
Give it to them FFS.
bolobass
More vaccine production? GOOD!
Almaadin
You wouldn't download a vaccine.
bigdog838
NewUsernameForImgur
Someone wants to sell a cheaper version of the vaccine, if this was anyone besides korea you guys would be praising this move
nanabobana
If it was anyone but NK, we could trust the quality. Biological warfare is a reality. If they want them for their own people, ok then.
SunAnvil
I'm downvoting this because the title says "North Korea hacked Pfizer" and then says "hackers attempted to breach"
SirPumpUp
That's not very cash money of them.
PocketCleric
'hacked' implies completion of the task. did they get hacked or was there a hacking ATTEMPT?
Amythas
NK has the infrastructure and expertise to make bootleg vaccine? i thought they just be selling snake water claiming its vaccines
willpostanything
hack using what? windows 3.1?
myweaknessisstrong
They watched the 90’s hit movie HACKERS then gave it a 1 star rating on rotten tomatoes and declared victory over the capitalists.
GravitySmellsLikeCheese
Was it 3.11 that 1st had networking? I think it was
ChloeRed
there's a windows 3.1 for workgroups, but it wasn't as usable as 3.11
Pentjotal
Surprisingly they are really good at their job, They are probably the most prolific hacker in the world, they stole billions of dollards 1/2
Pentjotal
2/2 they arrested someone in Montréal, Canada that was working for them, he help them steal about 300 Millions from differents cie.
gurlsnuggler
Exactly. More than a few countries, far more capable, wanted a peak at that.
trapperjohnmd
According to North Korea North Korea has zero confirmed cases of covid-19.
briham86
But an uptick in political executions after coughing was declared an act of dissent.
BootLiving04
Well I would imagine it’s easy when you don’t allow anyone in or out. They’ve been quarantined their whole life.
Bulmero8
People do go in and out. I was there, and while I was there was at least 300 other people in my hotel, covid could easily have gotten in.
BootLiving04
You went to North Korea. How was it? I’ve only ever heard horrible stories.
Helios0
Looks like the intention was to sell it on the black market. They could easily not have any covid considering how locked down they are.
broSparkleTerror
Finally someones is helping cure the world instead of big pharma having all the glory. Information should be free for everyone but whatever.
mmmtang
Or to produce a strain of covid that causes Antibody Dependent Enhancement due to the unique pfizer antibodies. Perfect bioweapon.
mmmtang
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7483033/ corona viruses are known to have ADE. It's why you don't skip that part of testing.
HelgavonLichtenstein
I've never heard of this. Could you explain in simple terms?
mmmtang
Sometimes your immune response makes it easier for the virus to kill you. Read the paper.
mmmtang
It's not simple, hence the link to the paper.
JhericFury
Okay? So let them. Why are we protecting this?
dickable
Good. I mean, NK's medical community is not what I'd call the best of the best, but the more people manufacturing vaccines, the better.
shepahrdjhon
what I hope is this pushes for the vaccine to be open-sourced to all countries can make their own instead of relying on these 3 companies
ByJoveByJingle
I’m sure all countries have the capacity to manufacture it. /s
SuperRockinMrMagic
Assuming you trust their manufacturing. At best I would expect a benign non functional product.
Colopty
And even if functional the profits from that manufacturing would go towards running an authoritarian regime, so...
SheepySleepySmuggler
Is it wrong to hope they accidentally stole the Viagra formula and begin wide spread "immunization"?
misterx13
Where are they selling it? So I can make sure to avoid that place, of course.
DHooligan3485
Hmmm. Hate to sound like a communist, but maybe the vaccines should be open sourced?
FailedCrate
Even more since the development at BionTech was fuckin funded by frickin taxmoney! Fuck Pfizer.
Zahnradfee
There is nothing wrong with sounding like a communist.
RutherfordNapkinface
I love sounding like a communist. And for-profit healthcare is a fuck. It's just state-sanctioned extortion.
dickable
Agree that it should be open-sourced, but I'm proud to sound like a communist.
Chakra5
We need shots in arms! They need to be safe and effective shots though.
CumsInPies
I am skeptical it would be done in either a responsible or even beneficial way. North korea has a track record.
JhericFury
If it had been released open source it wouldn't only be produced by those shady enough to steal it
shepahrdjhon
if open sourced, North Korea wouldn't benefit as other countries that westerners pretend don't exist or don't matter would have access to it
shepahrdjhon
That was the original plan. Originally Oxford wanted to make this particular one open sourced.
jellese
https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source-code-of-the-biontech-pfizer-vaccine/ -- the code IS open and published and RE'd
icommentwithsteveharvey
But then how could companies profit of the sick?
DHooligan3485
Damn, you got me there. I forgot to think of the shareholders
icommentwithsteveharvey
Think about the 2nd yacht money
rudejohn
If we wanted them open sourced, they should have been developed by governments. Private companies need to recoup costs or they go bankrupt.
rudejohn
And before someone says "we DID pay them," we really didn't. We guaranteed to buy vaccines from them at a set price.
JhericFury
Well the Oxford one was developed by a university and were planning to release it open source before Pfizer turned up with a briefcase of ££
rudejohn
Yes, but from what I've read it still wasn't made with public money. Oxford is a private non-profit corporation.
JhericFury
Regardless, at some point the researchers knew the right thing to do, but got pushed out of it. Also, Oxford needs living students to make £
HypoHyperHippo
Ideally yeah, but would you really take a north Korean knock off vaccine?
shepahrdjhon
no but if the original one was open sourced, then other countries could make their own instead of relying on US, China or Russia or the hack
JhericFury
If it were that or nothing? Yeah, probably
HypoHyperHippo
You gonna die
JhericFury
I'd rather get it from somewhere I trusted, but they wouldn't need to steal the vaccine to make a syringe of something deadly. It's more/1
JhericFury
-likely to not work or kill you by accident than intentionally poison you. /2
RutherfordNapkinface
They probably don't have access to the vaccine because of sanctions. One of the vaccine formulas was originally supposed to be open-source 1
EggFooYung
The Chinese would supply them with Sinovax if no one else would. Probably already are.
RutherfordNapkinface
Anyways. Fewer people dying of COVID is always good. Regardless of where they live or how you feel about their government.
uoeno
Fewer people dying? But that's not what Bill Gates intended?! /s
Tarmaccian
Nobody will willingly buy or use a NK-made vaccine. China's the closest they have to a trade partner, but China doesn't need them for this.
RutherfordNapkinface
I'm by no means an expert, but it seems most likely to be for the purpose of domestic consumption. COVID has been hitting DPRK hard.
cnphilli
I thought the North Korean goverment were the only people who actally call it the DPRK, I personally refuse to call it that.
RutherfordNapkinface
To each their own.
mmmtang
Antibody Dependent Enhancement is a known problem with corona vaccines. NK is probably working to make a cv19 variant that causes ADE.
mmmtang
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7483033/ It's why you don't skip testing phases of vaccine dev.
evilgriff
That’s terrifying
mmmtang
It gets worse too. China won't allow their citizens to have these mrna vaccines. So only the West will have these antibodies.
CottonTShirtz
So if I read that correctly, that means that an improperly created vaccine can increase the chance that an inoculated person (1/2)
CottonTShirtz
Will get sick from an infection? I don't think this means that good antibodies will cause lead to this, though I'm just some guy... (2/2)
RutherfordNapkinface
Wait, do you think they're trying to make a vaccine or a new strain?
mardukkur
He appears to be a crazy paranoiac.
scuba7jb
It seems a little astounding that a country with mass illiteracy and lack of internet could make skilled computer hackers.
gurlsnuggler
The enemy is both stupid and hyper smart at the same time. That’s when you know you’re reading propaganda.
sezchuanllama
One of them almost typed up the works of Shake-a-spear!
tinyCabbage
education is actually quite high in NK, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_North_Korea
scummos
it seems astounding that our IT security is so bad that this is a threat
Leakyfucet
Or NK having at scale pharmaceutical manufacturing capabilities
TakeTheStairs
i feel like learning to hack is much simpler than them having the infrastructure to mass produce the vaccine
Helios0
Not everybody in the country is a political prisoner, and the equipment for the internet is easy enough to smuggle in.
SteamingTheCat
Modern computing is a HUGE equalizer amongst nations. With a very modest budget, any country could be a cyber threat.
Ashielda
To be fair, they failed, so maybe they can't.
mratio
DarkRedCape
China gives them all the tools and training to do it. Then when it happens the world just rolls it eyes at NK and China laughs.
luluraeven
You'd probably quickly become proficient at any skill if the government pretty much held a gun to your head/ threatened your family.
gurlsnuggler
It’s very unlikely to be North Korea.
Gayforbae
Nope. Stress stifiles productivity.
ChattingGo
Are you being serious? I’m asking because I didn’t see a /s.
scuba7jb
I'm genuinely not sure if you're joking... here is a visual of their electric infrastructure
ChattingGo
Well, you can be genuinely sure. I was. North Korea could never be capable of such a thing.
cnphilli
Yea... North Korea is decades behind most countries when it comes technology. They most likely paid the Chinese to do it.
ChattingGo
Are they really? I did not know that.
cnphilli
What level of technology did you think they had?
ChattingGo
I thought being an Asian country they would have state of the art technology.
ChattingGo
I mean while the rest of the world struggled with COVID there has not been 1 confirmed case in North Korea.
nasukkin
You'd be surprised how far behind USA is with respect to cyber-warfare compared to nations like Israel and Iran.
thegrimtrigger
I wouldnt be too sure about that.
gloo1
Oh I don't know about that. They just don't brag about what they do or know. NSA has been around forever. Every country hacks everything.
cnphilli
You're comparing Israel to North Korea.
jesusjuice33
Yeah unfair, nk isnt commiting genocide.
CptCronos
I can say with a surprising level of confidence due to people I know, the US isn't nearly as far behind as you think.
crazyspelling
... but it is still behind?
CptCronos
In some areas, yeah. In others they're genuinely leading and the counters they're making are months ahead of where hackers are atm.
gurlsnuggler
What do you mean? You can attack a German company and blame it on North Korea.
HenryLongfellowIII
We know from Snowden that the CIA uses hacking tools specifically designed to falsely blame breaches on Russia, China, North Korea.
gurlsnuggler
Yes. And handy for an “attempt” to be made mid negotiation while trump was president.
DrKriegersClone
Are they behind, or do they just not swing their dicks around hacking civilian infrastructure and corporate IP in other countries?
hamberglar
I'm an american cybersecurity pro and I would say that the US is a B-lister when it comes to cybersecurity talent. Our government is so far
hamberglar
behind SK/NK/China in cyber intelligence programs. If we were into it, you can bet we'd be just as belligerent about it, but we're not.
tumppu
They don't lack internet, it's just very tightly controlled. Like China^2. Also, those doing the hacking are probably educated abroad.
gurlsnuggler
It was clearly not North Korea.
cnphilli
And I wouldn't be surprised if they were having china do it for them.
scJazz
No they have their own special university for the high class kids.
miked854
Also they "attempted" not "did" so they DONT have hackers skilled enough for this.
pmmeyourgold
North Korea *does* have very skilled hackers (in line with Rus/China) far beyond what you'd expect given the overall state of their country.
ImgurMadeMeChangeMyNameCauseItsDumb
Tell that to Sony
BoofBoofPass
They hate us cuz they anus
xdeadfishx
And CPPR..
xdeadfishx
And the Nintendo gigaleaks
WellThatsOriginal
NK is Chinas Evil little brother
browsererror
"Puppet State"
ViperMD
Greenfootdragon
*Evil China's Evil little brother
PL84
Like saying NK is like Hitlers evil little brother
BobaFettApproves
NK makes even big brother say “dats a fucked up”
dogestyle
China says "be less obvious about it dammit"
stankginchfurbuger
Reverse americas reverse canada
jooooooooooooe
Literally every major company is involved in corperate espionage. Why wouldn't you when money is all that matters to them.
MaxweIIhaus
Every day we move closer the dark future of Cyberpunk.
VaardArk
Broken mechanics and all
MaxweIIhaus
I meant the tabletop but okay.
VaardArk
Aww, I’m uncultured swine in that department
themikep
Afraid they're keeping NK friendly to do their crazy bullshit for them, like when I befriend Montezuma in Civ.
outthere987
If NK wasn’t there the US military bases would be all the way up to the Chinese border
Stretch5678
Chaotic Evil vs. Lawful Evil
cptnjackharkness
What if China is just making a show of its evil because it has a crazy neighbor. It just trying to show strength so NK does not 1/2
cptnjackharkness
Fuck with em. And if NK was not there they would be peachy keen otherwise.
outthere987
What if every day was backwards day and we all wore funny hats
WellThatsOriginal
Can I have some of those drugs.... please
Proton89
North Korea makes China look good by comparison. Which is impressive.
outthere987
Barely. China is doing a genocide rn
wats0
More evil, less competent
BobaFettApproves
Yeah but it’s learning
Colopty
Mostly it's trying to copy the answers of other nations, if that's what you consider learning.
BobaFettApproves
It's like a young, autistic super-villain ... it knows it needs to blend in, sorta... and it knows it's gonna be big some day...
MrBeauregard
And China is the evil older brother
Eatingofthepies
lmao which country is not evil?
IThinkTheySellPaint
New Zealand
outthere987
Uruguay
KharnMalik
ElbowDeepInAPsychoticBreak
...and mother Pangaea wept
PaintedSlate
Is she still around? I thought she split a long time ago.
RedLetterMediaReactionGifs
All nations and land masses are children of Pangea.
Z3r0fux0r
Hopefully gma Gaia goes old testament on their evil asses
TheOtherKindOfDM
Remember, it's the Chinese Government that's evil not inherently the Chinese people. The people are a case by case basis. Same for N. Korea.
TheOtherKindOfDM
Same with the US in many ways as well. Not all are equally bad, but all governments should be held accountable for their actions.
eetsumkaus
wait til you find out their approval numbers from Chinese citizens...
SilverHornet
Same as Trumpists to an extent, controlled media, plus disruptors/free-thinkers have a habit of disappearing.
outthere987
Not really their fault, they’ve only been exposed to propaganda their whole lives
JoeGrunt
…because the Chinese government will kill them if they don't approve.
eetsumkaus
Don't think Harvard cares https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/