Today me and my friend were looking out my friends window and we saw two firefighters running with vests covered in weights. They were really struggling to move so it had to be very heavy. It made me feel safe haha.
I'm a firefighter-in-training rn and let me tell you, these are VERY difficult maneuvers to make. Add coat and SCBA, almost impossible for 1 person to do.
No, just no. This is NOT how you move an unconscious injured person. Laying on top of someone potentially injured is just dumb. These are supposed to be trained professionals? I don't believe that.
When I was a medic in the military they trained us doing this kind of shit, but you weren't supposed to stand up when under fire... So, they just had us drag ourselves and the partner through the mud... It was also excruciatingly exhausting!
Only if the person is able to help, maintaining his body more or less rigid so it can be lift. There are other videos where the person acts like it's totally unconscious and it becomes extremely hard to perform the lifting (except if the person who is lifting is a strong man and the other a very slim woman, for example).
If you've never tried/practiced carrying a completely incapacitated person, even one about your size or just smaller, you'd be surprised how much we weigh and how ungainly we are to move. Not shown, but a classic fireman's carry is super easy to do...once they're up there or if they can stand. If they're laid out unconscious, getting them on your shoulders is the tough part. If you're interested, look up a ranger roll too.
I guess if there's a building burning down around you there's a limited number of options? Would be interesting to see how easy/difficult these are with fire rescue gear on though
some loads are far harder to manage than others simply because of their flexability and shape. i can struggle to move a bag of cement one day, and carry a 4m oak beam on my shoulder the next. I've always found bags of stuff to be some of the most difficult stuff to move. How the weight is suspended makes a huge difference too, you'll probably manage a much heavier shouldered weight than you could with something you have to manhandle in your arms.
We all have our own point of reference for hardships. In some aspects we can practice to overcome bigger challenges, but the internet giving us view of the highest of highs (I'm worthless because there are people SO much better than me) and lowest of lows (I'm a crybaby because so many people have WAY worse than me), can sometimes make it tough to remember that. It definitely does for me.
YES, people seem to forget (me included) that it's never yes or no, good or bad, best worst. Most of us are in between forgetting that "between" even exists.
Once the elbow is above the shoulder, it takes 5 pounds of force to dislocate it. But in the moment of saving someone's life, both are definitely useful
Wait, wouldn't pullups be impossible without dislocation if that was true? That doesn't sound right. Also, dislocating your shoulder is bad, if this exercise would do that then wouldn't they use dummies?
I was a raft guide for a couple of years and we stressed the fact to never pull anyone back into the raft using their arms due to dislocating the shoulder. We always had to grab the shoulder straps off their pfd.
That kinda sounds like what they meant is that in some people it only takes that much (young children, hypermobility, frequent previous dislocations), and we don't wanna get sued. I searched around a little, and I can't find such a thing anywhere. The closest is this study, but they are testing a prosthetic, and are assuming the shoulder muscles have been damaged already, and even then they seem to find higher values.
Just from looking at it, I'd say it looks prone to cause further injuries? Sure looked like he rolled pretty hard across the "injured" dude's stomach and ribcage. If someone is actually hurt or knocked out, that doesn't seem ideal.
I'd say all of these "rapid extraction" are means of a last resort, i.e. you need to be fast and get the person out of there because otherwise they would die. Any additional injuries would count as collateral damge - like a broken rib or two from CPR. Broken bones, a punctured lung or other internal organ damage can mend - especially if you stipulate qualified and equipped medics nearby. It's somewhat harder to revive a body that has been burned to a cinder.
It's something that is taught but hardly ever used in the fire service. In a fire you aren't standing up. Dragging to stay below the heat. You are typically in pairs. There is a reason to know all this, but the likelihood of ever having to do it in an emergency is slim. In 20 years I never saw anyone chucked someone over a shoulder and run away.
morethanccc
Today me and my friend were looking out my friends window and we saw two firefighters running with vests covered in weights. They were really struggling to move so it had to be very heavy. It made me feel safe haha.
WeeemRCB
peveay
Vive la France et le fromage de chèvre !
mastertmo
Grab him by the ankles and start dragging!
colinardo
I'm a firefighter-in-training rn and let me tell you, these are VERY difficult maneuvers to make. Add coat and SCBA, almost impossible for 1 person to do.
nekuth
.... instructions unclear, kidnapped sleeping people
HiImLick
*That video of the guy who was straight but explained why people like firefighters* <3
IThoughtThisWasADatingSite
No, just no. This is NOT how you move an unconscious injured person. Laying on top of someone potentially injured is just dumb. These are supposed to be trained professionals? I don't believe that.
Piizzle
This but for cuddling.
distraingotnobrakes
Firefighter sex is weird.
AdelineThatsMeYo
i hope i never have to save someone and carry them away....because i'm weak af and we'll both die...not that that would be a bad thing tbh lol
sometimesarobot
Same. I could probably drag them, though.
Cozysockdrawer
Oh no! I seem to have fallen to the floor and require extraction. 😳
Gingerwithsomesoul
That man needs to spoon stat.
ShortKiltLongWaistcoat
Try also: /gallery/h4h23t2
ManOfEvil93
nah, i like the rolling flip and lift
azazyel
recovery position
PapaSez
Better than 90% of the adults I've trained and way faster.
Thatoneday
That’s allot of pressure for someone so young
cardinal29
For when Grandma passes out drinking
LookSirDroids
That kid just passed their standard first aid.
ChazzK
I was 100% certain the first one was about to turn into a Figure 4.
017renegade
When I was a medic in the military they trained us doing this kind of shit, but you weren't supposed to stand up when under fire... So, they just had us drag ourselves and the partner through the mud... It was also excruciatingly exhausting!
schwaulen
In full NBC gear, because why not, it's only 30°C in the shadow.
XRay0976
Firefighter sex is weird...
hovelhopper
Is it just me, or does #2 look infinitely easier?
OejaNegra
Only if the person is able to help, maintaining his body more or less rigid so it can be lift. There are other videos where the person acts like it's totally unconscious and it becomes extremely hard to perform the lifting (except if the person who is lifting is a strong man and the other a very slim woman, for example).
buseyisgod
It goes smoothly but I'd imagine #1 is easier for a totally incapacitated person. Less torque and all that.
ReturnWinchester
If you've never tried/practiced carrying a completely incapacitated person, even one about your size or just smaller, you'd be surprised how much we weigh and how ungainly we are to move. Not shown, but a classic fireman's carry is super easy to do...once they're up there or if they can stand. If they're laid out unconscious, getting them on your shoulders is the tough part. If you're interested, look up a ranger roll too.
spoonassassin
Probably less effective if the person is completely unconscious
Gerokeymaster
Yeah, looks like 2 requires a small amount of assistance from the person being picked up.
brazzy42
I suspect it's the opposite: faster but harder to do right, and if you don't do it right, you risk dropping the person on their head.
BreakablePotato
It's not like they're worse off.
cakeycakes
I fucking love firemen.
Omnimorph2112
Went to save someone from a house fire, put them in a sharpshooter. They tapped out
machmach
machmach
Rufferstuff
tarataqa
PicassoCT
And you do not do that under almost any circumstance, if there is a sign of a spine injury
Salpinus
I guess if there's a building burning down around you there's a limited number of options? Would be interesting to see how easy/difficult these are with fire rescue gear on though
MrFancyPanzer
He makes it look so effortless, I'm still sore from moving 30kg bags of firewood yesterday.
peeeopeepeee
My son is 3 and nearing 27kg, the struggle is real
NeynasGhost
I helped my parents haul rocks and shovel mulch on Sunday and I'm still recovering.
Zalm
I mean, its only tuesday.
whatspaulplayingtoday
in fairness, 30kg of firewood per bag is nothing to sneeze at
benc85
some loads are far harder to manage than others simply because of their flexability and shape. i can struggle to move a bag of cement one day, and carry a 4m oak beam on my shoulder the next. I've always found bags of stuff to be some of the most difficult stuff to move. How the weight is suspended makes a huge difference too, you'll probably manage a much heavier shouldered weight than you could with something you have to manhandle in your arms.
sometimesarobot
You still did it, though.
Leithoa
You work up to it.
jayman0123
I feel ya, or rather I feel what I did (took out a couch 40kg couch on my shoulder to the curb)
uhohnsaisonme
We all have our own point of reference for hardships. In some aspects we can practice to overcome bigger challenges, but the internet giving us view of the highest of highs (I'm worthless because there are people SO much better than me) and lowest of lows (I'm a crybaby because so many people have WAY worse than me), can sometimes make it tough to remember that. It definitely does for me.
ReallyFastSloth
YES, people seem to forget (me included) that it's never yes or no, good or bad, best worst. Most of us are in between forgetting that "between" even exists.
corndude101
Step 1: Be in good physical condition.
Andtheworldwentwhite
It's easier if the unconscious person is underweight and quite short at least shorter than you. So you only need to be 50% in good physical condition.
EverNotRelevant
Brb, need to set some fires...
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SwedishPunkAndBeer
I might need a source for this. For... Science
Zixtank
Fuck me, that man is deliciously handsome. No seriously, fuck me.
CitizenPrime
You a dude, aren't you
Thekindofkindlyman
Felimelinesk
Standard test in the recrutment process of Paris' firefighters
GordonFreeman59
La Planche
torp
Also an everyday check for ability to go on mission
Herebychoice
gay sex is weird
TychoTychoAlba
And AWESOME
Rufferstuff
RaftinHippy
Once the elbow is above the shoulder, it takes 5 pounds of force to dislocate it. But in the moment of saving someone's life, both are definitely useful
Togame21
Wait, wouldn't pullups be impossible without dislocation if that was true? That doesn't sound right. Also, dislocating your shoulder is bad, if this exercise would do that then wouldn't they use dummies?
RaftinHippy
I was a raft guide for a couple of years and we stressed the fact to never pull anyone back into the raft using their arms due to dislocating the shoulder. We always had to grab the shoulder straps off their pfd.
Togame21
That kinda sounds like what they meant is that in some people it only takes that much (young children, hypermobility, frequent previous dislocations), and we don't wanna get sued. I searched around a little, and I can't find such a thing anywhere. The closest is this study, but they are testing a prosthetic, and are assuming the shoulder muscles have been damaged already, and even then they seem to find higher values.
Togame21
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267917930_EFFECT_OF_LOADING_DIRECTION_ON_FORCE_TO_DISLOCATE_IN_REVERSE_SHOULDER_ARTHROPLASTY#pf2
SimplyWalkedIntoMordorAndBroughtPizza
what about the ranger roll? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gszi0Jeg1CE
is there a reason not to use that?
Mohareb
First way shown in the gif is basically same deal just in a more controlled manner, but still have to stand up with the person in both cases
5ing
Have to turn sideways to go through a doorway or hallway (residential hallway)
NeynasGhost
Just from looking at it, I'd say it looks prone to cause further injuries? Sure looked like he rolled pretty hard across the "injured" dude's stomach and ribcage. If someone is actually hurt or knocked out, that doesn't seem ideal.
speedislife
The only advantage I see is that it's fast, which could be vital in a burning/collapsing building but dangerous in most other situations.
stercusmoriturussum
I'd say all of these "rapid extraction" are means of a last resort, i.e. you need to be fast and get the person out of there because otherwise they would die. Any additional injuries would count as collateral damge - like a broken rib or two from CPR. Broken bones, a punctured lung or other internal organ damage can mend - especially if you stipulate qualified and equipped medics nearby. It's somewhat harder to revive a body that has been burned to a cinder.
BrandonMoon
You have to be Ranger qualified or in a Ranger battalion to be authorized to use this technique.
BadLuckBrody
Otherwise it's just a sparkling somersault.
BrandonMoon
If I have to stand up from being on the ground we are both going to die.
IneversaidIworkedhere
Brandon, you funny fucker, 10/10.
BrandonMoon
I wish more people could see my humor.
Subsound
paultgg
I logged in specifically to upvote this comment.
BrandonMoon
And I have returned the favor.
JerBearington
Hahaha, yup! They'd find my body sandwiched under the guy I tried to save
alwaysupvotefuturama
"he died doing what he loved"
JerBearington
"Dry humping his colleagues"
BrandonMoon
Dry?
Junktrunkjunkie
We could just stop midway through. Then we’d be spooning.
BrandonMoon
Oh you naughty!
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
That's why we're not firefighters, I guess.
anitamargarita
It's something that is taught but hardly ever used in the fire service. In a fire you aren't standing up. Dragging to stay below the heat. You are typically in pairs. There is a reason to know all this, but the likelihood of ever having to do it in an emergency is slim. In 20 years I never saw anyone chucked someone over a shoulder and run away.
BrandonMoon
Yes, this is true.
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
Also, firefighters keep themselves in decent shape as part of their job.
anitamargarita
Not all of them. There are plenty of folks sucking wind.