Just raising awareness of Culture and Religion difference of the Islam about Women, FOR EVERYONE!

Jun 7, 2017 5:08 PM

Confusedcultist

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Source: La Source des Femmes (2011)

Literally everything she said is historically accurate though the concept of “hijab” existed long before Islam was founded. in pre islamic arabia and throughout the region, women regardless of religion would cover their hair and it was often a symbol of class (other than the concept of covering hair being cultural in christianity and judaism)

Women who were higher class and were from a wealthy family covered their hair to distinguish themselves from poorer classes.

It wasn’t until after the founding of Islam where covering hair was incorporated into Muslim culture as “hijab”. there is no mention of hijab in the Quran but there is a strong emphasis on modesty. there is however an explicit line in the Quran directed towards men:

In Chapter 24 known as an-Nur (the Light), in verse 30, Allah commands Prophet Muhammad as follows:

قُلْ لِلْمُؤْمِنِيْنَ يَغُضُّوْا مِنْ أَبْصَارِهِمْ وَ يَحْفَظُوْا فُرُوْجَهُمْ, ذَلِكَ أَزْكَى لَهُمْ.

“Say to the believing men that: they should cast down their glances and guard their private parts (by being chaste). This is better for them.”

This is a command to Muslim men that they should not lustfully look at women (other than their own wives); and in order to prevent any possibility of temptation, they are required to cast their glances downwards. This is known as “hijab of the eyes”.

I'm not a Muslim myself, but i try to understand it and do more, than just to "tolerate" it. And there seems to be Muslims, who have a misconception about their own Religion.

Just rising awareness people.

Nice little site for Islam knowledge: https://www.al-islam.org/

(Psst! First time poster!)

EDITH: HOLY MOLEY! Frontpage? With first post? Ummmmmmm, what to type? This is totally unexpected. What? Uh, send cats? No. Send dogs? No. Send nudes? By all hells no! Send Trumps? By all Gods in existence, no! Send recipes! Yes, easy and yet cultural food recipes! Like Shakshuka! I like good food.

Edith Again: Holy crab! This is getting way out of control. And this is my first post. How should i keep this quality up in the future posts? ANYWAY, some seem to misinterpret this post. I'm not aiming at the Hijab of the Women alone, but also at the Muslim men, who are using the "No Hijab, no problem!" argument. Self-control is a virtue in Islam and Christianity, so, GO FIGURE!

Except that there are LOTS of slaves still. In America alone, 300,000 children are lured into commercial sex trade each year. That's just US

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I think we're talking about the more legally accepted kind...

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"Just rising awareness people" did anyone else read this in an Australian accent?

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The glorious quality.

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This GIF is not halal.

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Don't worry it's alcohol free

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Commenting for no other reason than to appreciate your username. Damn right, Venture Brothers. :)

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Damn straight, mate!

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I love your name! its about the butterfly right?

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Not the butterflies! NOT THE BUTTERFLIES!

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no slaves huh yea you keep telling yourself that

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If the people following the religion aren't following that interpretation of that book, then unfortunately it means nothing.

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i believe that a lot of people don't actually read the book or learn from it. rather just blindly accept info that others tell them

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Sure, but it's exactly the same for all religions. That's how you get 100 versions of Christianity, from the Pope to massacring armies.

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yep most of them(non-arabs) know how to pray in arabic BUT they dont know the translation.thats where radical imam get it.

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In Islam, seeking knowledge is a HUGE virtue. people are told to learn about their religion, look at the logic, ask questions etc. but (1/2)

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(2/2) someone just reading in arabic and not reading translations/asking credible religious leaders are doing themselves a disservice

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As was said of the Taliban who shot Malala Yousafzai when the Qu'ran vindicates her cause.~

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~As a general rule, NO adherent of any Abrahamic religion at ANY stage in the radicalism spectrum gives a shit what their book says.~~

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~~This is for better sometimes, for worse some others. Pastors, Imams and Rabbis need to be analyzed, not the universally discarded texts.

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No veil?? What's next, driving?

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No, but flying planes is ok http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-27125689

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only for hajj, though

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/s

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Clitorectomies. Honor killings. Proper educations. Being able to leave the house without being accompanied by a male relative.

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oh my allah!

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Obligatory M.I.A. video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uYs0gJD-LE

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or try on clothes when shopping??? *clutches pearls* *looks askance at Saudia Arabia*

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well, better that than driving with a veil on

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Don't veil and drive, kids

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Do you wanna get stoned to death because thats how you get stoned to death.

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Too late. *grabs rock*

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Women are still essentially slaves in a lot of muslim countries

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more poor countries persecute the shit out of their women its not exclusive

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All these replies to your comment totally deflect the fact aside and present alternatives. Obvious logical fallacy is obvious

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As in the past with Christianity, there are attempts to use scripture to justify oppressive behaviour, after the fact.

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It was wrong then and it's wrong now. Islam shouldn't be an exception just because another religion did it in the past.

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Agreed

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It's a pattern in a lot of third world countries and not exclusive to Muslim ones. Culture promotes this kind of behavior not Islam.

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Islam is part of culture

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am from 3rd world country, you're full of shit

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No idea where you are from, I am sure you personally are fine but much of the world is still primitive and rotten, there is evil out there.

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Have nothing to do with "third world countries", look at the gulf states and how women are treated there.

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Careful, you don't want to be called an Islamophobe for telling the truth

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

I imagine this film was not well received in the Middle East

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Its an argument against the veil. The vast majority of middle eastern populations don't wear veils.

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I was referring more to how it showed a woman standing up for herself

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Bravo! She was never seen again.

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And then she was stoned to death.

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Yep, just like the biblical version.

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I know that you mean well and I understand your message but women in Islam HAVE to wear the hijab regardless of whether or not it (1/2)

8 years ago | Likes 58 Dislikes 17

Thankyou

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Yeah, you're in the same patriarchal, misled boat as her son. No, women DO NOT HAVE TO wear the hijab. You need the same harangue as her son

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I'm pretty sure he agrees with her on principle, but her islamic scholarship is wrong. Besides, she speaks about the veil. He said hijab

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He's basing his claim on an article from the very source OP recommended, though..? I read it, and it seems to say that's a requirement.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 3

They should not have to but they do within Islam. It is a broken, backwards faith that has no place in the 21st century.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 9

realize that when lots of westerners talk about 'islam,' what they really mean is 'wahhabism.' There's 2b muslims on earth, only ~30m in SA

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in many muslim countries religious law is not enforced, and a dozen have elected female heads of state

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female heads of state mean nothing. It's like saying racism doesn't exist in US because obama is president. Illogical bullshit argument.

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the point is that speaking of 'women in islam' as though they're all suffering saudi-style oppression is stupid as hell

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it's like claiming jehova's witnesses are representative of all christians

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Ha ha ha - the bit about no slaves anymore.

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Does the veil show up in the hadiths? Just saying it's not in the Qur'an is a tad disingenuous.

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Yeah. Look up Satr

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I know it does. The point was that OP seems to be neglecting that in this post.

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Are you kidding me with that title?

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 2

Irony = American women using their freedom to rock a garment that millions are forced to wear.

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guys hijab is "mandatory" in islam , also....getting info about islam from non muslims isnt the best way to learn about islam.

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the best source to learn is ex-muslim aka murtadin,or ex-muslim brotherhood aka Maajid Nawaz.

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still a nicer post than im used to tbh , posting here seems cool

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what are you talking about?

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by "some" usualy mean 100million to 300miillion.

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Taqiyya is only to be used if a Muslims life is in danger die to being a muslim. i. e religious persecution

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Due *

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thats actually a misconception , toqiyya by this understanding is the shias toqiyya(radical minority less than 6% of muslims)

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about the texts , im not arguing the understanding ,but its half the text ; islams source is Quran and Sunna

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Yeah, that's only like 120,000,000 people right?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Youre right but the understanding is also wrong, taqiyya is if e.g. youre persecuted and have to pretend youre not muslim to not get killed

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does not it confirm the idea,if a muslim belive in jihad agaist infadel but by believing that will cost his life then he should perfom that?

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If a muslim is deluded enough to believe in killing others, then I just think theyll hide it anyway whether justified or not 1/

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

OP, that's a Shia website you're referring to, not mainstream Islam. Talk to real scholars man and don't make up your own conclusions

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That's cool but this web comic thing doesn't change the reality of women being forced to wear them all over the world.

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It doesn't have to change it, it is to educate people.

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Change always takes time, the more rooted a tradition the more time it takes. Just ask the monkeys about the banana on the ladder.

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Movie! If nothing I hope it raises questions for a conversation.

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women should be free to wear whatever they want...even if they wanted to wear hijab because believe it or not..some do

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Yes they should be free to choose but they often arent, which is my entire point.

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And thank goodness that in the Western world we fight to defend women's right to chose, some women really do not want to wear it.

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It's the same in Muslims states except for the gulf..google pics of syrians lebanese Egyptians..people don't care too much about clothes

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It's not a webcomic, its from a movie.

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Okay, well this movie still doesn't change shit

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8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Ahhh, "Public Relations"

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It's not uncommon for young Muslim women to go hijabless in Malaysia and Indonesia. They usually start wearing it after marriage. However...

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The region has become significantly more religiously conservative since the 90s, and more girls are wearing it, even in primary school.

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Everyone tries to push the 'Indonesia' meme as if it absolves Islam of all wrongs, one good nation does not stop the religion being cancer.

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In what planet is Indonesia a good nation. It's corrupt as fuck and the shit going down in Aceh recently is absolutely horrific.

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8 years ago (deleted Aug 8, 2017 11:25 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

but it's a meme.

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can anyone from Saudi Arabia et. all explain to us why this argument dosen't work?

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Because they'll just pour acid down her throats and stone her as she dies.

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A bold choice for a first post, but you knocked it out the park. Nice going

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Agreed!

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Bravo, I have no words, thank you

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yup, it did

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Definitely!

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The obligation of hijab is a flowing garment that covers the body revealing only the face hands and feet, not a just a hair covering.

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We know what it's for. But do you believe this woman does not have a point?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This post misunderstands a lot about Islam and the role of the Sunnah (the example of the prophet pbuh)(ex. How to pray is not in the Quran)

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All good points but the weird 'control women with head covers thing' isn't limited to Islam:

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Point being? Fuck that. Fuck forcing half your population to restrictions and guidelines

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AFAIK, christian women aren't forced to be nuns, so the head cover seems voluntary, in a way. Still, interesting observation.

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I'm pretty sure that many of those are a fashion thing. I've seen Buddhist monkets in multiple countries, and they all go bald. Also 1/2

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I'm fairly certain the Amish, Catholic/Orthodix, and Hindu are wearing those things more like a hat, though the Hindu may be a wedding gown.

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Helping out with cat tax:

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Thanks mate, that looks like good cat tax.

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A bold choice? This is fucking Imgur dude, who would downvote a woman's rights post? lmao

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someone supporting the paedophile Mohammed.

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Yeah but no cat tax - WTF

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I am very sorry, like mentioned, first poster. It's hard to get the right cat tax.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

I think you're mistaking Imgur with Tumblr.

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

They're rapidly becoming similar.

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I don't think I'm the one doing that. I think 90% of the users are doing that and continuing like it's the same.

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Indeed. I saw quite a few times people reply "So much this! I agree! I'm dead lmao!". Ugh.

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REPEAT THE PUNCHLINE IN ALL CAPS

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That being said, saying nobody downvotes women's rights on this website is kinda funny, since imgur is also known for circle-bashing women.

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Depends on the time of day I think.

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from tour own favourites -oh the irony

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You can say that to any religion

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I agree, all religion should be abolished. not even joking

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8 years ago (deleted Jun 8, 2017 11:36 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

You do not seem so fun Mr. Funbun...

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Hes no fun at all. Just ignorant and hate filled. No reasonable reply to any responses made to have a discussion. Troll basically

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Whoa guys, calm down! I don't want to see any hate here please.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

I think we're having a reasonable enough discussion, me. Confusedcultist

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8 years ago (deleted Jun 8, 2017 11:36 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Don't need to respond too much b/c this is just straight wrong. Plenty have.

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I'll get some more articles if you want, but I think j this is an ignorant statement to say

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Why should they have to? Have you apologised for someone of your colour/creed/religion has done?

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well seemingly all whites have to apologize for slavery for some reason and should feel guilty for being white

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Are there a lot of dwarf muslims? Nice of them to be so vocal, have I just not seen them for they are smol?

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If .05 of your entire population was sick would you burn their families because of their disease?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I would cure them of the cause of the sickness

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

not so; let's make a scientific experiment: we take a bible and quran and we burn them, then we wait for reactions.

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I mean I'm not going to tell you how to live your life, but if you don't think every religion creates extremists you are very misinformed

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so, do you agree with this experiment ??? we just measure and conclude based on results.

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I agree! But I would need a control group. So 1 Vatican memver and 1 ISIS member first....

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and then 1 heavily Westernized Christian and 1 heavily Westernized Islamic follower to compare.

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No I wouldn't agree with that experiment, mostly because all your trying to do is cause chaos just to point fingers on who would be worse...

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do you understand that the dogma you are defending has been forced upon people by sword ? what are you afraid to find ? that you are wrong ?

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 5

This has already been done. Results as expected. Nobody gave a shit about the bible, but lots told the dude (Youtube comments) to burn ...

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

... in hell for burning the Qur'an. Just look it up on youtube. This is going off of Youtube comments, but it's something.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Thank you, only the bold flourish as time and nature proved.

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I'm so sorry the comments are so cancer-inducing, though. I want to tell so many people they're assholes but can't do it well in 140 chars.

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Fortune favors the bold my friend

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Audentes Fortuna iuvat

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My first post was about a sick.

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stick win every time

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That was a sick Stick deal

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Auto-cowreck strikes again.

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Mine is a toilet seat with poo on it.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Ooh that was pretty gross. +1 for it anyway.

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I edited some fucking terrible image macro of trevor when i was drunk at 3 am and had JUST discovered imgur =/.

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Haha I thought it was funny! +1

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You are kind stranger, and generous.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

+1 on your first post. Good-day sir!

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

I wasn't fishing for upvotes. Just pointing out my feeling of inadequacy compared to the OPs first post. Thanks nonetheless!

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Why thank you, golly good sir!

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Well, it doesn't help much with the fact that the book also says that people should cut the heads of off those who leave the faith. Derp!

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NOT THE BEARD!!

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Really? Share the verse and it's interpretations from Muslim scholars. Or..u got that from some blogs?

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" By Allah it is death!" This went on until the apostle made an end of them. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza Mohammed kills jew

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.. (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them.. 47:3-4

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Good you found the verse. What is its context?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So you mean a god would actually justify ever decapitating people? And like I said, Mohammed himself saw t othe killing of captives.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not answering my question. What is the context of the verse? Don't avoid it.

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She says all these things yet would still get in trouble if she took it off... Hmmmmm... Yeah Islam doesn't oppress women at all.

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Are you an idiot? It says right there in the post: it's the people not the religion

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I'm sorry but at this point, I have to say it's the other way around.

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 4

So, Islam has nothing to say on homosexuality being a sin? I am sick of apologetics saying religion is perfect

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Dude, Islam doesn't oppress women, dimwits misinterpreting Islam do

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Yea money doesn't cause power.....

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I really hope that is an intricate joke that I am too drunk to understand. Islam is terrible to women, shit man I am so glad I am Catholic.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

This meme that Islam is so nice to women needs to die, fast before more women suffer.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

It's all in the context and depending on the Nation. Some are more relaxed than others. And yet, the women became slaves to the Religion.

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Of all the nations with Islamic government, 12 execute gays, and all oppress women by western standards.

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And yet there are muslims in western counties, some born and raised that do none of those things.

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Yet they still hold those views. Some 80% of UK Muslims think homosexuality is a sin and they should be barred from certain employment.

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Source? in my state build a Noah's Ark park with tax dollars, but in order to get a job there you had to denouce homosexuality.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

Sounds like Christians in the UK in the recent past

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 7

And if you go into the south in the us, you find very much the same thing from many christians

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And that day she was stoned by the villagers and they all yelled and cheered.

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Hey, you forgot to mention the ceremonial shaming and trial of old men with sexist view!

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Who latter raped thier bozi boys in celebration

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Great post. I am a Muslim and I was not aware of this particular detail but I knew hijab wasn't mandatory. Thank you for this

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It is mandatory. It is mentioned in the Quran, in Chapter 24 verse 31

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Hijab for both men and women is as mandatory as the 5 times prayers are so It's a Fardh and it is infact mandatory

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Dude, lakum deenakum waliya deen. They're not here to understand. Heck imgur is not even the right platform to discuss

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

this was a reply to the "muslim" who said hijab is not mandatory, gotta correct where we can right

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm of Middle-Eastern Christian descent, and my great aunts wore headscarves all their lives. It's a geo-cultural thing, not religious.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

really you not aware of a particular detail of al-quran and you say you knew,KNEW!!!! show your body is a sin,wear a parfum is for whore.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 11

Why the attitude? You're so angry. That can't be good for your health.

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well those kind of people who did not know al-quran and pretend to know islam usualy join isis.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

That really doesn't make any sense.

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Hijab is mandatory, the differences are what the hijab entails. The Quran refers to the hijab in both a metaphorical and literal sense(1)

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depending on the contexts. While a lot of what @OP posted is true, there are stille some inaccuracies.

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The Quran didn't mention it. It isn't mandatory.

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Wow look a scholar

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes it does. It also refers to women's clothing in other words, including khimar and jilbab.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Thank you so much. As a Muslim, this is the kind of objective and clear research I greatly appreciate from those who are not. You're great.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yet almost the entire Muslim world practices it.

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Who make up a minority of Islam and have practices considered heretical by Islam. Malaysian Islam is heavily influenced by native

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 7

*Arab. It's an Arab custom, practiced much less in Asia and Oceania.

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2/ religion and Hinduism, and wss never conquered by sword, but converted by Sufi poets, a branch of Islam that is practically dead.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 8

I went to a Sufi school and I grew up thinking Sufis represented must Muslims. Nicest, most accepting people I've ever met.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

And yet most were killed off centuries ago. It's not that mainstream anymore and it never was to begin with.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

I usually figure it as "whatever, she's dressed nicer than the girls with their asses hangin out of their ratty jeans."

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

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8 years ago (deleted Nov 21, 2017 12:39 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Unfortunately you're better going down the liberal, emancipatory philosophy route. The Quran seems pretty clear on that topic.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

All 4 madhhabs agree it's mandatory though

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Hijab is mandatory but no one is allowed to force a woman to wear it and its her own decision the face cover is optional 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 8

and women wore them to protect their faces from the sand so some people mistook it as a part of the hijab

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

How can something be mandatory but not enforced? If it's not enforced, then it's not mandatory. Tell me your definition of mandatory.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

He meant mandatory in the sense that God asks us to do it, but it is not up to ppl to force someone to do it.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

I'm happy to help. It's always worth, to check certain things from the religion, you never know, what you might learn.

8 years ago | Likes 114 Dislikes 4

What a retard. So some guy reads from random blogs and have a say in Islam? Great, now read Talmud and make another post

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That's very, nice grammatical structure, that you have, there.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 4

The hijab is mandatory no matter which way you look at it.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 8

Actually, I know muslim women who do not wear hijabs. It's not considered mandatory by EVERY person or culture.

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The Quran states it is mandatory to cover the head & the bosom with a veil, as well as loose clothing. Not Muhammad, the actual quran. (1)

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Word of god himself. So independent of time period. You can theologies, but you got to use the book.

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The hijab is mandatory & is one of the basics of being a Muslim women. (1/2)

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Well, some people do things differently, which is not surprising given the way religious dogma varies between cultures and denominations.

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The only reason they don't wear it is because either they're lazy or just want to show their hair. (2/3)

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 13

Most of them likely wore them as I child but through peer pressure, they stopped wearing it. (3/3)

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 10

Yeah, I'm sure you are totally qualified to judge the character of people you've never met based on one single detail. Classy.

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Hijab is mandatory like it is mandatory for men to cover from their belly to their knees. But in the Quran it tells men to lower their (1/2)

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Gaze before telling women to cover their hair. So men shouldn't force it. Niqab(full veil) though is fully optional unlike the hijab

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Thank you!

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It doesn't tell women to cover their hair. Don't make shit up.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

"and not display their beauty except what is apparent." Meaning to only cover up that which people normally cover up. And the next part 1/?

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Afaik, Quran says "cover up". I interpret that as "don't walk around naked"

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

"I interpret that" It doesn't matter how you interpret it's still mandatory.

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So, it's mandatory not to walk around naked. OK, got it.

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Hijab is on no way shape or form mandatory. It is simply a reference of modesty. Yes I izzz muzlim

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So Islam belongs to you now?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It is absolutely mandatory for many places unless you want fucking killed. Anywhere with fundamentalists, because of their interpretation.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 3

Culture vs the religion itself

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm pretty sure he means Quran wise it's not mandatory, not government or culture wise.

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as another muslim, I can tell you that the hijab is in fact mandatory. although there is a difference in opinion among scholars if (1/2)

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covering the face is mandatory or not, they all still agree that the hijab is mandatory for women. (2/2)

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Third Muslim: hijab is recommended, but is strictly a choice: if one doesn't want to wear hijab, don't force them to. Respect their choice.

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You're literally the reason people turn away from Islam. Stop imposing what's right and what's wrong. You are nobody. Drop the moral stick

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There are differences among the scholars of Islam. Some believe (which I follow) that the Hijab is mandatory. Some others don't. 1/?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

It's not black and white. Don't bash on others for what their beliefs are, unless you're willing to actively debate the topic with 2/3

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Islam is meant for people who want to submit to law and order.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So many people on Imgur pretend like they know and understand the Quran and say without any doubt that it preaches so much hate...

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Because it does. The principle of abrogation means that earlier peaceful versions are nullified by the later violent verses.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 4

Mate, its the Internet. So many fake/wahabi websites that aren't even run by Muslims, which these morons keep on quoting to spread hate.

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Exactly, thank you.

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I've read both the Quran and the Bible and it's practically the same book in different covers. Same level of hate and horror.

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That said, I don't think it's the books that make some people to do terrible things. I don't see any good reason to hate muslims any more 1/

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than hating christians. It's pointless. Just hate the evildoers regardless of their race or religion and cut the nonsense. 2/2

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

So false

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Have you actually read either of the books? I was raised as christian, reading the Bible was one of the reasons I grew up to be an atheist.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Yes I have.

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You should try liveleak.. that place strayed from the path far long ago

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Unless something says what you think it has "strayed from the path" nice going.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Imgur isn't the only place where people say that.

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I've read the damn tihng in two languages. Yes, it preaches hate. It's the reason why I am not muslim anymore.

8 years ago | Likes 37 Dislikes 20

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8 years ago (deleted Jun 8, 2017 1:05 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

In Arabic you mean?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I knew that one would come out, no, in English and in another language I won't disclose for my own safety.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Besides, you can't claim islam is universal and available to all if you restrict it to archaic arabic that isn't spoken anymore.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What is the penalty for leaving the religion?

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8 years ago (deleted Jun 8, 2017 12:40 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

source: I used to be muslim.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

fudge cake. lol just kidding, it's death.

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 4

Tea and Cake or Death?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

ten points for that. I saw him live last year. Best show ever :D

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Excruciating methods of killing. Anything from stoned to death to being light up on fire.

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the same ultimate penalty as not converting to it

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Same penalty for leaving any other religion I'm sure.... I know plenty that left; They're all still breathing and walking around n shit.

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Cake or death?

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I think in Europe the penalty will be whatever the people around you who are still muslims do to you. Which could be nothing, but we all ..

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

No penalty. "Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion." Quran 109-6

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But apostasy, leaving Islam, is to be punished by death.

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Nope it doesn't

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Really? What passage am I misinterpreting?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"To you your religion and to me mine" Surah-al Kafirun, you can believe whatever you wanna believe.Maybe you were thinking isis or so

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

nothing,The death penalty is for those who leave the religion then Attack it which considered as treason , most countries do that inc The US

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And the death penalty is applied only states that are fully islamic and rule by the laws of Islam

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So when someone gives a researched/educated answer, people respond with a down vote because it doesn't jive with their preexisting belief?

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

This needs to be the top response to the original questioned. That verse only applies to those that intend to leave, then attack Muslims.

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Depends on what sect you belong to, it can range from death to being thrown out of the community.

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Or to nothing.

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Yes true.

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I found this book helpful for understanding: https://www.alislam.org/library/book/punishment-apostacy-islam/

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Quran 88:21–22[23] or "no compulsion in religion" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Baqara_256#Relevance_to_apostasy

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If there's a contradiction between 2 verses, the latter one is valid. 88:21 is from the Meccan period and was abolished during

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the Medinan period.

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That's very far from the truth. It's best to provide credible, non-bias sources before making such comments.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

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8 years ago (deleted Apr 1, 2018 5:42 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

And have u asked each and everyone of these ppl? Can you name the thousands of terrorist groups with their written manifesto not 1 or 2

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

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8 years ago (deleted Apr 1, 2018 5:42 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

U wanna mention any genocides against muslims? Chechnia? Sebrhanica (lebanon)? Central african republic? Myanmar (by buddhists of all ppl!)?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

no heaven?!?

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8 years ago (deleted Jun 8, 2017 3:55 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

it's funny, to a lot of people the less information and idea they have about something the more opinion they have about it.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Tell that to Ayaz Nazami that. Or I guess more accurately his grave.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

You have to run a particularly strenuous obstacle course while carrying a small egg.

8 years ago | Likes 65 Dislikes 7

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Is the egg hard, or soft boiled? Please tell me it's not raw!?!

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IT'S FUCKING RAWWWWW

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Recently read the autobiography of a man who left Islam in the 80s while growing up in Pakistan. He was put in jail and assumed insane.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/noble/sura4.html#89 An apostate is one who leaves the faith. 4:89 commands you to kill leavers.

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The Arabic term Qatl is used in the sense of severing all social contacts. https://www.alislam.org/quran/view/?page=208®ion=EN&CR=

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I do not read Arabic, so I don't understand your link. I know qatl to be like "execution" in Uzbek. It clearly says to kill them @ your link

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It has English translations. There is a commentary that explains with context in consideration.

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https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/apostasy.aspx Almost a dozen places it says to kill leavers or disbelievers.

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A dozen places only agreed upon by "wahabi" and extremist sects. Mainstream (especially Shia) Muslims believe those traditions are false.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Let's get 1 thing straight. They're interpretation or belief it's false DOES NOT MEAN IT'S NOT WRITTEN.Discussing the books: they're violent

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Sorry, late reply. This is a more complex topic than can be clearly discussed here. Would love to discuss if you’d like to DM me.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"Mainstream" muslims are westernized. The "extremists" are still considered 6% of the followers which is over 120,000,000 people unreformed.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This is a horrible source. It comes with a clear bias and it is not peer reviewed. It is meant to validate those who misinterpret Islam.

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 9

But had it been peer reviewed, research would have shown the verse is out of context and refers to those who left to fight/kill Muslims.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Of course the quran is a horrible source.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

The site is a bad source because it deliberately took the quote out of context, see the other replies.

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Don't be stupid. I quoted the direct fucking verse. https://quran.com/4/89 the site is not the source, it is simply the first of many citing

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It's taken out of context. Hence why you shouldn't use such an agenda focused site. Twisting words is easy.

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I'm trying to imagine context that would put a positive spin on "kill them wherever you find them" and it's just not working out.

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4:89 is out of context. Verse was directed at those who left their faith/community to fight/kill Muslims for financial or status benefits.

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Just kidding. It's death.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

If shouldn't be a complicated matter though. It should be "ok, see ya. Sorry to see you go!"

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

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8 years ago (deleted Aug 8, 2017 11:24 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

I cannot think of a situation where murdering someone is the appropriate response to a change in belief.

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Saudi Arabia still has slaves though

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Did you see it yourself?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Same with Qatar. In fact, the next soccer world cup will be played in stadiums built by slaves.

8 years ago | Likes 45 Dislikes 0

I'm not even going to bother tuning in, the fact that Qatar bought the host then killed a bunch of people to build its stadiums is shameful

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Saudi outlawed slavery in 62 but that wacky Saud family, and their Bin Ladin cousins still have slaves. Don't you know they're bettern you?

8 years ago | Likes 43 Dislikes 3

Look up on Mauritania, they still got slaves.

8 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 2

look up sh omar suleiman on slavery. he covers the topic of slavery in islam

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, Thailand, Mauritania, Brazil, the list goes on. There's more slaves now than at any other point in history.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

While I am against the whole indentured labour thing, I feel like slave is misused here. Noone forced them to go there. Leaving is harder...

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

Libya as well

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

Did you know they still have slave markets and white slaves for sale? Yeah, it's true. Not only in Saudi Arabia neither.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

They aren't legal. Don't think that the USA doesn't have slaves too.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The USA still has slaves. A fuckton. Not legally, but there you go.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That's because It's Always Sunni in Saudi Arabia.

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The western world have no slaves*

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Heh, the Western world has a fuckton of slaves.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That's because Saudi Arabia is (literally) the root of all Islamic evil.

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That's what Wahabbism will do to you.

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That good old state funded religion for you

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

So true but Its amazing these ppl (house of saud) were given this authority by the USA/UK who didnt care how backwards they were.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

And the US is their biggest ally for decades. What does that tell us about the US? The root of all evil is the enabler as well.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 3

I know that's false because you used the word "all".

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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8 years ago (deleted Jun 8, 2017 5:07 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Muhammad is a prophet in the vein of all Abrahamic prophets, save Jesus. Read the Old Testament and compare him to the Old Kings (1/2)

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And he married a six year old girl and had sex with her when she was nine. Pedophile. Historic fact.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 4

Source? I've seen this repeated so often I'd genuinely like to know where it was cited?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Yes. Were you expecting a different response?

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of Israel. Child marriage and procreation was exceedingly common. (2/2)

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Not to six year olds, it wasn't.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

You are mistaken. Moses sanctioned sexual intercourse with girls as young as 3 years old.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Except the fact that Mohammed lived like a century later, or more?

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How is this relevant? Is your position that some prophets get a pass for bad behavior because they were born earlier in time? If you (1/2)

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think Muhammad was a bad dude, then you also need to think several Hebrew prophets were bad dudes. (2/2)

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I think you mean a millenium.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 2

Keep in mind that there are also passages that say it's OK to lie to and screw over anyone who is not of the islamic faith.

8 years ago | Likes 94 Dislikes 27

Doesnt look like thats keeping Saudi Arabia from screwing up Yemen and Qatar

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

There are several contradictory verses in both the Qur'an and the had'ith about this.

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Not that I'm arguing with you, but I would like to know: How many of you have actually read the original Arabic?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's not contradictory if you understand the sunnah. Sura 2 states all latter given verses are to be followed if they contradict. Cont.

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Abrogation in the Qur'an is still something that Muslim theologians are pretty divided on. I don't think it's as clear-cut as you say.

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Unfortunately these are mostly the ones that encourage violence and subjugation of non muslims.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

i'd like to see those passages.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 3

Google it yourself.

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Taqiyya is to be used only if your life is at stake for being a muslim. i. e religious persecution

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You mean like "We keep beheading them and they refuse to convert?"

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No

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Mohammed is literally the root of all islamic evil. Dude was a warlord...

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Righhhtt and whatever land you live in was handed over on a plate - i mean obviously no wars went into the making of countries. Ever. Right?

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He was a pedophile.

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So were a vast amount of people in Rome. And we still glorify it

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I live in sweden, the country with the longest consecutive time of peace, last war fought in 1809. And thats because we abandoned 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Stupid ideologies. A warlords values dont belong in the modern world.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

No it doesn't!

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 16

Maybe SA doesn't, but Libya certainly does.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

I'm Saudi and I just want clarification, what's the difference between the migrant workers who chose to travel to Saudi and the asians 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 5

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8 years ago (deleted Aug 8, 2017 11:22 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Holding passports is shitty, that's one thing I can't stand, but there's no false advertisement, or at least not for Saudi Arabia

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

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8 years ago (deleted Jun 13, 2017 3:39 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Working in sweatshops? Yeah there's mistreatment but is there a reason to call it slavery? I'm genuinely curious, not starting an argument.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 7

I think the example I particularly like are the little boys taken from India to ride race-camels. No money, beaten up and raped - does that

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

meet with all the requirements? Or do they actually have to be killed to meet the criteria? Own the evil, Saudi's are slavers.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

They get money, and can report abuse. Rape especially does not just slide under the rug. Get some real sources man

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Every country has slaves. It's not just so transparent as it was. But trafficking people and such are a huge industry.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

There are more slaves now than ever at any given moment.

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There are more people now than ever at any moment in history.

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

You are not wrong

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Researchers estimate that 21 million are enslaved worldwide, generating $150 billion each year in illicit profits for traffickers.

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

I'm gonna need sauce for this.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

I doubt fanatics of any stripe will ever be swayed by logic. This shows a rarely seen human face to a religion we are learning to fear.

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Well, they believe in god, the Quran is god's direct order. It's all very coherent in their mind. Like I always say, kill god first.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

And what a nose on her!

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Country

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There is a reason why mostly the 59 attacks in 11 days, isis, the rape crisis, and how before the iran revolution in 1979 Iran was a modern

8 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 16

Uh, you wanna reword that.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

Elaborate

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

You're missing words to make it a coherent sentence.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

There is a reason why, mostly as in most likely but I put mostly and left out the comma to save on characters

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

You're getting downvoted, but everybody who reads it knows the answer to it sadly.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 4

They think everyone is the same every culture is the same they refuse to see evil the only thing we can do is continue to talk about it

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 3

What is "the evil"? Also, that kind of "they think" comment is usually very ignorant of the other's position.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 4

Who fought for ISIS do you not see a problem 4

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

Happens outside your selfish sphere of me me me there are people suffering out there that's what I care about not tolerance at the cost 2

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 4

The sharia courts, the rape gangs, muslim no go zones, the hundreds of terror attacks, riots, and so many more do you just not care what 1

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Of other peoples misery nobody should be oppressed but when medical centers are taken away from rape victims in sweden and given to men 3

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The ones that really bake my noodle are the women who proudly support being covered.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 4

There's nothing really wrong with that, though. Women proudly wear make-up, too. Different strokes for different folks.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

In this case, though, it just means they've been gaslighted. Slaves proud of their chains.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 6

It's a standard of beauty and of modesty. If that's what they want to wear, and it breaks no laws, I see no reason to condemn them for it.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Thing is, if a western woman wears something other than society dictates, she *doesn't* get stoned to death as a devil's whore.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Not Muslim, but from things I've read it was sometimes a thing to show your devotion to the faith.But that it was supposed to be a personal1

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Choice. 2

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It's a choice. If they wanna wear it, hurray for them. If they don't wanna wear it, hurray for them as well!

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

In the immediate wake of emancipation, a whole lot of slaves "chose" to return to their masters. Should that have been respected?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

The slaves "chose" to return because they were unable to cope with making their own decisions and the concept of freedom was new to them 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

How does that compare to women choosing whether or not they want to wear a piece of fabric?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

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8 years ago (deleted Aug 8, 2017 11:25 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

If they are your values, and not someone else's imposed upon you.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

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8 years ago (deleted Jul 30, 2017 5:36 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

I am not assuming women are forced. I have never stated such.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Moral relativism is bunk.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Women are generally getting it tuff in any 3rd world country

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I read that as, 'Women are getting TOUGH in' the third world. This is also true, I have meet a many strong Arab women in my time.

8 years ago | Likes 106 Dislikes 2

You know there's a bunch of badass muslim bitches who taught themselves military shit and are currently on point to kick ISIS ass, right?

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

I think you mean the Kurdish rebels!

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The kurds know the way!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

My favourite is how she didnt throw slave women under the bus, distance herself from them, but showed sympathy for them. Tell him Mama!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Sad, but true mate.

8 years ago | Likes 133 Dislikes 5

If you criticizes a race or culture where within the culture they oppressed women/homos/etc. 2/2

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

You're not.You're deemed a bigot when you wrongfully attribute a unique characteristic to a group thats already vulnerable & an easy target.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

Just heard yesterday on a conservative talk show that changes in 3rd worlds are going to be due to a push from the women of the countries

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah thanks man

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes because women are super safe in 1st world countries? May I point to Child Marriages, Murders and all kinds of abuse against women in US?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

That tends to be the case where they are slaves to their wombs.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Not too long ago women couldn't vote in the US.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 4

Also, in the rest of the real world.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Women could vote in a majority of states before the amendment was even passed.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

And even after that for decades young men were drafted BEFORE they could vote by women who COULD vote. THAT is what inequality looks like.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I mean to be fair most people are getting it tough in any 3rd world country. That's kind of the definition of a 3rd world country.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 3

Also Russia

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I'm having a hard time thinking of an Islamic third world country that ranks higher than any other third world country for women.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Oppression is a cultural thing. You have this patriarchy mentally across all cultures. Sad thing is you're deem a bigot or racist 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 6

I wanted to make a porn star joke, but it only works for Latin America, since Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary and Russia is the second world.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Hell women couldn't even vote 100 years ago.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

Hell women, you say? https://imgur.com/1MZa9lX

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

I'm feeling the Devil's temptations right now and I'm not gonna resist.\

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Ha, punctuation matters

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I'm down with a bit of succubus suffrage.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

And 200 years ago you couldn't vote unless you were rich.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

And white!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

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8 years ago (deleted Oct 21, 2024 11:32 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

I laughed.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

well played, you got me. +1

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

In any country, really.

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 16

*facepalm* No comparison whatsoever.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

It ain't a contest. We aren't going to go "Okay, this year, the worst place to be a woman was India... again. So we'll fix one thing there!"

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 5

You're at least right in it's not even remotely a contest lol.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

The problem is it's a wildly false equivalence and cheapens the struggle of women who have real MUCH more serious problems. 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

In this country women have advantages in many areas, and other groups, including men, have as many struggles.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Not true, really. Know a lot of women who have a normal life. Tough maybe, but thats normal as well.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 4

Also in Irelandand, the US, Poland and the list goes on and on... If men could geg pregnant, abortion would'nt be up for debate.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

Serious question- is this an accurate representation of the interactions between men and women in Muslim countries? Can women really talk to

8 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 3

Depends a lot on the country. Like Christian countries, muslim countries are all different.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm Lebanese (Catholic though not Muslim), but from the people i know, even Muslim women here are strong and have a lot of power, (1)

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

(2) they don't tolerate being spoken down to or bossed around even the veiled ones. Sure there are exceptions in rural towns though.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Yup I'm from Australia and god help any man who tried to talk down to the Lebanese women in South West Sydney.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Hahaha you should see us here in Lebanon!

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Short answer: No. Long answer: Maybe to a son not totally indoctrinated. Otherwise she's getting honor killed.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Men in such a way without repercussions?

8 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 3

Her son? Yes. Outside her family? Not so much. But this is a generalization as it varies widely in different countries and regions.

8 years ago | Likes 50 Dislikes 0

I understand that in the context of this post their conversation is normal (mom and son), in a way I was referring to their overall culture.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Who's "overall culture"? Depends entirely on the location. Murican's wouldn't tolerate stranger jumping our crap for wearing what we want.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Yeah it depends on culture, the middle east is more extreme than other places like Bangladesh.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

I do belive they still get it worse in Islamic third world countries

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Like india? Where the rape count is >40,000 a yr? Blame the moslems! Read a newspaper jeez

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 5

India is not an Islamic country. It is a secular country.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Hindu and sikh majority and in no way secular. Wow do u live here in india?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There are no islamic first world countries. Well... maybe france and germany.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Even in first world countries women are not paid equally and treated as sex commodities

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People forget how much of a problem human traficking and sex slavery is in the US.

8 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 1

Stop perpetuating the bs that women get paid less for one it's illegal to do for 2 the stat that is paired with the wage gap myth doesn't 1/

8 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 47

I mean, just because something is illegal doesn't mean it's not happening.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Factor that women not only are less likely to work because plenty of them still stay home to raise family but it also doesn't include 2/

8 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 31

The fact that men are more likely to work more dangerous jobs which because of risks involved pay a bit better

8 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 29

It's a known fact in the UK not a myth

8 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 15

Yep just like it's "fact" in the US

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 22

Oooh there's the feminist downvoting real facts oh no whatever shall I do without my fake nonexistent points boo hoo hoo hoo

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 32

If you really didn't care, you wouldn't have made this unprovoked comment.

8 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 8

If I cared about the points why the fuck would I speak my mind to a bunch of hipster feminists who won't even listen to anything but 1/

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 25

Wage gap is a myth on an individual level. Overall women make less, but men work more.

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 4

This, it's more of an earnings gap

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

They can choose to be sex-symbols. The difference as always is choice.

8 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 33

Oh, you sweet summer child.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Some chose to be sex symbols but there's a disconcerting amount of relevance placed on sexual physique. Even in industries it makes no sense

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

I live in a 3rd world country (Argentina) and in many ways, women has more rights here than in the US, like mandatory paid maternity leave.

8 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 3

The words "rights" and "mandatory" don't usually go in a sentence together.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Wait you mean mandatory for the company to pay probably. Sorry, I'm an idiot.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What about abortion? Is it as bad as the US? Or can women decide over their own body?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

No official legislation but hospitals are forced to carry out requests. I think standing for abortion is political suicide there.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Argentina is a third world country? Huh, the more you know.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

In the original definition based on alliance during the cold war yes

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

In the original sense Finland is a 3rd world country.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Weren't they the ones that went economically isolated to raise their dollars worth?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In the technical sense, yeah.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

If it's mandatory is it still a right, though? Or do you mean it's mandatory for companies to offer, but not for women to accept?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Your comment just sounds so alien to me, I swear, sorry. Mandatory to accept. Wat.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What? Not argentinian, but usually it's a law enacted by state. You get parental support by default, usually from the state, or employer.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

'Parental support' sounds a lot different from 'mandatory leave', which is why I asked for clarification.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

*any country. Remember that domestic rape was... nothing, before a law turned it criminal in the 60s ? Guess the so advanced country.

8 years ago | Likes 113 Dislikes 52

In the 90s in Germany. The fucking 90s.

8 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 1

Same as Canada :/

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

1991 in the UK. Didn't even get a law - it's only illegal by judicial precedent.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

we should all bow are heads in shame..... sheesh

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

False equivalence. Women in the 60s were undoubtedly better off in America than in India or Saudi Arabia.

8 years ago | Likes 62 Dislikes 31

True of course but not in that regard, ie domestic rape.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Fallacy of Relative Privation. Just because others have it worse, doesn't mean that bad isn't "bad". Women still dealt with shit.

8 years ago | Likes 37 Dislikes 5

Not a hard logical fallacy, the "fallacy of relative privation" isn't a logical rule. You can use it but you must make an argument as well.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 13

K. Example: You're not allowed to be happy, because others are happier than you. You can't be sad, because others are sadder than you.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Thank for the new fallacy. ????

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Women were better off in the 60s in Iran than nowadays. If not for the 1979 revolution, their rights might still be comparable now.

8 years ago | Likes 53 Dislikes 3

Women were better off in certain parts of Iran. There's evidence to suggest that things lined nicer on the surface than they actually were

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Women's rights in Iran weren't upheld uniformly, sure. It's hard to argue some had it better under the Ayatollah than the Shah though.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Well, Iran was a secular state for a time. Saudi Arabia was not. I used my examples carefully.

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

Just pointing out generalizations can muddle the issue. Counterexample: Turkey. Not doing well re women's rights, not a 3rd world country.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Not an equivalence, just a reminder that you do not need to be a 1/3 world country to oppress women.

8 years ago | Likes 48 Dislikes 23

you think women are the only ones who are opressed in modern countries?

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 9

Is it a question ? Just know that domination works in every aspect of life, both sexes are submitted to it, one being more oppressed.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

It is an equivalence, because you're implying that oppression of women via domestic rape is functionally equivalent to 3rd world oppression.

8 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 24

Saying that a set is part of a larger set is different to equivalence

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 18

Dude. He was just mentioning that the general oppression of women still exists in all countries and gave an example. Chill

8 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 3

It might technically be an equivalence indeed, the difference being one is visible and the other not.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

But the SJWs told me the veil was all about female empowerment?

8 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 10

Oh it is though!! Yaaas quien! Only white men can oppress women you would know this if you took Miss Stienberg's gender studies course.

8 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 4

How about this, we just stop telling women what they are and aren't allowed to wear?

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

... It's a piece of clothing. You shouldn't force women to wear it, but I can see others finding strength in its identity.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 8

Ah yes, I too find strength in the identity of thousands of years of being held under the boot of my oppressor.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

Just like Christian women and crosses, right?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

But what if they live in a free country and the only oppression they're experiencing is other people saying they can't wear the hijab?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Fuckin' well-said, mate. Islam isn't the problem fundamentalists with ass-backward views are the problem.

8 years ago | Likes 351 Dislikes 93

Something something about "the fundamentals of Islam". That isn't just a cute phrase. Your sentence contradicts itself.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 8

Nah, you're wrong & have obviously not read the Koran nor the Hadith. People love upvoting bullshit on this site as long as it's goody goody

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 1

Yup, can't reform social practices associated with clear quranic decree without claiming god is fallible and thus blasphemy. Just ditch it.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Exactly. Religion in it's entirety is "ass backwards".

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Muhammed was a pedophile warlord and he is the forfigure of islam when it comes to humans soooooo...

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 15

You're absolutely right everyone down voting are illogical and irrational superstitious idiot.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Why are people downvoting this when it is true? Muhammed consumated his marriage when the girl was 9 *facepalm*

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Yeah & just take a look at the Hadith which is his BS outright. He's cool w/ murder, pedophilia, slavery, rape & all the fun islam stuff.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Without Islam, would they still act that way?

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 12

If not Islam then ancient forms if Christianity such as in Africa

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 4

I'm gonna say prob no. Without Islam, the Middle East would be fragmented by the many pagan and other religions that preceded the 1300s

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They would likely follow another religion and take it to extremes to continue supporting ass backwards views

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 9

How about not following superstitious apocryphal bullshit? And being a logical and rational human being

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

If it wasnt for the islamic revolution they would still be living in a modern civilization like our own they were prospering

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 4

No, the fundamentals of islam itself are the problem.

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 8

So, people who follow the religion as Mohammed would?

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 9

This is true in all places, for all cultures. Those who cling to the past without consideration for change are the problem.

8 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 10

In most cultures, 'clinging to the past' might be waving an old flag or complaining about pop music. Bit different to killing people, mate.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Depends on what that old flag stands for, or what the music means.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

And how would you say a religion is overtaken by radicals its because they arent perverting the religion they are following it

8 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 12

they're following a specific version of Islam, created in the early 1900s in KSA, it's called Wahabism, before that Islam was different

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

Mohammad said never kill innocents but also stated those who arent muslim cant be innocent so that 6 year old girl in the uk is free fame

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

it's similar to the differences between baptists and mormons, same basic idea, different specific ways to practice

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Not really, all branches of islam agree on killing apostates. And only ahmadis (who aren't considered muslims) don't want to kill gays

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

Ask almost any Western Muslim and they will tell you Daesh is a perversion of their faith, like WBC & KKK are perversions of Christianity.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 10

"Western Muslim". Oh yes, the tiny minority of Islam who has no influence on the rest nor should be taken as an example. Let's see opinion

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

3/ innocent people.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

2/ polls from Islamic countries. Also, you think a western Muslim would denounce Mohammed? He married a child and led many wars against

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The fact that you have to call them Western Muslims in order to make your point.... sort of shines through the idealism to show the facts.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 6

No true Scotsmen

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 6

You cant pervert whats already written down clear as day

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 9

with the hadith to have formed an educated opinion. Tell us your thoughts on Islamic jurisprudence! (2/2)

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

Tell us more, o expert of Islam and the Qur'an. I am certain you have read several translations of the book and are familiar enough (1/2)

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

How about approximately 50 percent of the Islamic world is inbred following the prophets example of marrying their first cousin

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

As a Christian I really want to read the Qur'an. The Muslims I have talked to (used to work 7hrs a night with a guy and we'd talk 1/?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This GIF is not halal.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Tell Me, is there an Islamic country with a human rights record like that in the West.

8 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 7

I don't believe there's a country - regardless of religion - that has non-human rights issues.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 15

That's a cop out. The ten worst countries to be women are Islamic. Islamic countries have high abuse rates and it should be challenged.

8 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 7

You're right. But the thing is, it didn't used to be that way. Look at Iran pre-Islamic revolution. It was a normal modern society that...

8 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 2

Yeah, pre-islamic revolution AKA when it was secular.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

Just happened to have a different religion than Christianity. There are plenty of Muslim countries that aren't anything like Iran or SA...

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 3

So North Korea, China, Russia... these are Islamic? Learn something new every day.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 12

Lol I can't speak to the others, but I lived in China. Not even close. Not even an issue comparatively.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

The problem is that most of these backwards views are held by many, not only "fundamentalists". Check out Pew research center on Islam

8 years ago | Likes 103 Dislikes 11

Same can be said with Christianity. You only have to look at the GOP in the US and their views. They are many. They are not the majority, >

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

> but there are a significant amount of them.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Yep. In some areas it's actually the majority.

8 years ago | Likes 42 Dislikes 5

They are more extreme in the middle east than other places so it mostly depends on culture.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

*most areas.

8 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 13

*you don't know what you're talking about.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 27

*actually he does, again, look at the PEW Research Centre's stats on Islam.

8 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 3

Thank you, buddy. We just have to try, to do better.

8 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 15

Do better doing what? I'm sorry I know you mean well, but I don't see what I owe this culture/religion. Be a better idea or I will question.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 14

If the fundamentalists of any ideology, faith or other way of life are a problem, then the fundamentals should be looked at very carefully.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

"Islam isn't the problem". Wait, what? Then why aren't the jews blowing themselves up? Or The fundamentalist Budhists? Come on dude.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 14

But are they all blowing themselves up? Or even MOST? No! Then it must not be the religion, it must be the man, or they'd ALL be doing it.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 4

The point is that Mohammed did kill captive jews, he did enslave people. It is all supported in the holy book, just like the bible.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

The biggest victim of Islam are Muslims.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

No. Not at all. Not all christians martyr themselves although martyrdom is honoured. So your argument is invalid.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

How is that invalid? They don't all do it even though it's honored in the Bible is EXACTLY my argument. Not all Muslims do it either.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Well if they do follow the footsteps of Mohammed, and kill the heathen, they are still Muslims, are they not?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

So there is nothing in the book that is keeping you from slaying heathens or beating your wife, nothing, so yes, Islam has problems!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Lots of regular Muslims contribute to the shittiness. Look how many Muslims go to destroy Israel rallies or Islamic countries themselves.

8 years ago | Likes 44 Dislikes 16

What does being anti-Israel have to do with being Muslim? Arab antipathy towards Israel predates the rise of Islamic extremism.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 6

2/ Jews have the audacity to even have a country in their ancestral homeland is upsetting to Islam.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Oh come on, whatever you way you look at it the establishment of israel and it's policies have been 19th century levels of colonialism.(1)

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And i'm not even involving the religious aspect. Most Israeli are just stuck watching it unfold too. But it's a clear process.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And the only reason why Muslims are there is a 1300 year old colonisation by Islamic forces.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It has always existed. Islamic hatred for Jews has long existed with Muslims conquering and subjugating them where they can. The fact that

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

The Jews have been persecuted by both Christians and Muslims. Historically, the Muslims have been far kinder to the Jewish faith than (1/2)

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Christians. Are you forgetting the entire reason why Zionism was founded? Hint: it wasn't Islamic persecution of Jews. (2/2)

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It was Nazism, not Christianity. But lets not forget. It's not Christianity that gays for the blood of the Jewish state, it's Islam. They

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

2/ already have two wars under their belt where they tried to eliminate Israel.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Could also look at WBC protesting military funerals. Point is it's not the religion, it's the person. There's shitty people in any religion.

8 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 22

Such as favourable views on fucked up practices like killing gays and positive views on suicide bombings

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The problem is always religion. Faith is based on an irrational premise. If you believe in god's potency and he has left clear guidelines(1)

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

the quran unlike the bible is straight up god's word. Then you must obey, claiming it is no longer appropriate is claiming god is fallible.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

WBC has maybe a couple hundred members at most? Tiny compared to the numbers of "radical" Muslims or Islamists.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 6

WBC is a tiny fraction of Christians, look at Muslim majority countries and peer reviewed studies. Muslim have more community rooted issues

8 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 8

I understand they're a tiny fraction I'm just comparing how they both bastardized their respective religions.

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Sorta, Christianity had a reformation and has been modernized where as Islam doesn't have that same luxury so it is still pretty fucky

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

WBC doesn't decapitate nor throw gays off buldings.

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 6

Let's be honest. They would probably be game for that if they could get away with it.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Sure, but the muslims do get away with it and thus do it. WBC doesn't do anything except for being rude.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Really? So each religion is perfect and has no flaws and all the evil they have done is just coincidence? No ideas worth challenging?

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 9

Where the hell did I imply that. I literally just said ALL religions have ppl who bastardized their faith.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

Because you are saying that it is only the people's fault. If they are bastardising it, it implies that they are taking it wrongly rather

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4/ would be considered pious Islamic behaviour.

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3/ who hate gays are doing as their faith says. As do those who fight in the name of Islam. In Mohammed's time much of what Isis is doing

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2/ than their something actually being wrong with the faith. Islam considers homosexuals abominations. It is in the Qur'an. Muslima

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