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FriendlyFallopian
Meanwhile in Australia...
wabbittwax
Sorry I can’t hear you over the sound of my country’s awesome health care system
Fatboy333
My kid broke her arm on Monday, went to the Hospital and it cost us taxi fare. (Yep Canadian)
Gray365
Apart from the US, where else is this an issue?
bogiemMagnet
Is this some 3rd world joke that i am too 1st world to understand?
jokiab
The what? Am I too Danish to understand this joke?
1776Pancakes
The trick is to die at the hospital
OgzOman
Already paid $1900 to have my baby. Had a c-section and pre eclampsia. I’m nervously awaiting getting another bill for the extras.
Comet260
Don't fret! You'll be helping to make someone else RICH!!! /S
HeirElfSquire
They make you feel well enough to pay the bill.....
Schmuck4hire
I sincerely feel dreadful for folks who have to live with that in the states. It's so awful that you could basically just get crippled 1/
Schmuck4hire
like that, on top of being actually crippled after a biking accident. 2/2
Lulabel73
I felt this way when my dad had a cochlear ear implant and I drove him to the hospital. Parking was $12! His op was free though.
CascadiaPNW
Cries in American
dvemail
Unless you're, you know, from a modern nation.
NakedGalaxy
An uncle had Medicare & triple bypass. He needed meds to live afterward. Medicare wouldn't cover it because he took out a loan so he 1/2
NakedGalaxy
wouldn't lose his house. They found out about the loan, took the money & refused coverage...all because he had some money in his account.
LateNightBunnyParty
Fuh-king-hell.
PYCKIBOT
Sounds like bullshit Medicare doesn't operate like this. Maybe Medicaid.... but how does he have a house then..
NakedGalaxy
I probably did say the wrong one I do tend to get the 2 confused.
NakedGalaxy
You can own a home on Medicaid. Https://www.agingcare.com/articles/asset-limits-to-qualify-for-medicaid-141681.htm
WhiteIce2112
There are no words to describe how amazingly fucking angry hearing about this system makes me. I hope to fix this one day.
mrsuzukiami
The EU would never allow it. They love their free military and drugs the US provides.
Comet260
Ha. Ha. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
OregonFlyer
*sobs in American*
PissedoffParamedic
Don’t cry, wrap yourself in a nice warm F-35. Take your opioids and get ready for work tomorrow morning.
OregonFlyer
Bwahahahahahaha sadly accurate
defnotwinning
This is not a joke - I received a check today from my Dr office for overpayment ... $20. I was in shock
crazy3
Wow
shriek
How did the medical industry get this bad in US? wtf.
defnotwinning
So what had happened was.....
JoshuaRenaudmallette2000
CANADA GANG, WHERE YOU AT?
cutebytes
Yo.
UnhelpfulAnswers
Sorry
OnePsychoFrog
Sorry for the delay. Here I am.
The1stBellicose
Sorry I'm late!
InsertCleverNickNameHere
Ex-wife spent 3 days and nights in a semi-private ward after giving birth to our kid. I remember being annoyed at the $50 bill for cable TV.
BettyBoom
Ugh- yes same.... how the fuck does surgery cost so damn much in the US?!?!
mrsuzukiami
Speed, expertise, and paying for the "greater good" of the world.
HolyCringeLordBatman
Lmao. Outcome rates are simmilar. Literal majority of drug expense is on advertising. Massive amounts of research fed/uni funded
mrsuzukiami
Which is mostly paid for by the US first, outcomes arent the same, when normalized for catastrophic deaths the US life expectancy is #1.
HolyCringeLordBatman
Citation on every single claim you just made. Talking points aren't facts.
Doingtheneedful
Because of Nixon and some shady deals with Insurance companies back in the day that led to the price spiral to make the rich richer.
jelloknits
Always thankful to be Canadian. I’ll never know what it’s like to be bankrupted by an illness.
IamDooters
Had a cyst removed and stayed overnight in the hospital. Total bill? $18.00. Got it back through company benefits. Canadian FTW!
RenaissanceFaireMan
That's pretty much the problem. Hospital charges a shit ton, person has no choice but to declare bankruptcy. Hospital raises prices....
EccentriCanadian
And it's going to stay that way, because people think socialist policies equate to communism and are 100% anathema to free market economies.
RenaissanceFaireMan
..because nobody before them could pay. Next patient can't pay either, because it's more than a shit ton. Bankruptcy. Rinse and repeat.
Comet260
American hospitals actually have fucking CEOS!!
PYCKIBOT
And some run their joints better than others ; )
ispentwaytoolongthinkingaboutthis
I never get hospital bills. Maybe they don’t know where I live... or maybe because I live in a country that doesn’t bankrupt it’s citizens
LateNightBunnyParty
*its. Apparently you live in a country that doesn't teach grammar, either. (...I'm sorry. I lashed out because I'm jealous. Forgive me?)
ispentwaytoolongthinkingaboutthis
Perhaps. But I’ll enjoy my great healthcare either way. Good luck fellow human.
TheMellowPeril
Medical... bill? Like a doctor named William?
PissedoffParamedic
No no no! Nothing so innocent! We have crippling debt, like a debt named Youregonnadieapeasanttoacorporatelord. Nice guy really.
MoReRoo
Aye, we've got Richard down here in the States.
UnhelpfulAnswers
*laughs in non-US*
Enzek
One can hope that will change soon. Bernie 2020!
PYCKIBOT
Really? That dude sold out hardbody. I'm good lol
Counterfit
Just remember to still vote Dem in case he doesn't get the nom again.
Cheomesh
Yeah that seems like long odds.
Enzek
Fighting for change and a better future is preferable to just sitting back and allowing the rotten system to kill us.
LateNightBunnyParty
I'm volunteering at the rally in Norman this weekend and I'm so excited!
Enzek
Good luck. :) I wanted so badly to go to a rally but the morning it was in my area I woke up with really bad back pain and couldn't go.
LateNightBunnyParty
:(
Comet260
YES!! I may not agree with everything he says, but I am voting for him in the primary. If Biden gets the nod I might just vomit.
Counterfit
But after you clean up, you should still vote for him.
Enzek
Same. Don't have to agree with every minute thing about Sanders but the man is genuine and has been fighting for the right things since...
Enzek
before I was born. If it does end up Biden I'll join you in vomiting lmao.
Masonimal
Had brain surgery in May, the bill for the stay was $138,000 and the surgery was another $16,000 in total. Insurance saved my ass there
NakedGalaxy
It actually covered a good amount? My expensive insurance still left me with impossible bills for a minor but necessary procedure.
Masonimal
The insurance company took $70K and kicked it back at the hospital and said it was too much for this procedure but I had zero responsibility
Masonimal
To pay the remaining amount past that. The hospital had to bite the bullet for that.
MoReRoo
If you have insurane, Hospitals will often overcharge as much as possible because this sort of thing happens. If you don't, you can usually
MoReRoo
get quite a discount on service (though probably still high) as well as an easier repayment setup.
Masonimal
I only had to pay my out of pocket which was $4,000 but I had no income for 4 months because of the tumor and pain, so a charity took it
piratejimthedagger
*laughs in brexit*.... Aww, I made myself sad.
analharvester
Yeah I agree there are some big concerns, and I don't doubt Boris and many others would relish privatisation, but fucking with the NHS is
analharvester
Political suicide. If it happens it will be through the backdoor over at least a decade. Source: my opinions as an NHS Dr of ten year tenure
analharvester
Oh yeah, I love the NHS. Best thing about Britain. Even better than Falkirk steak pies
Schmuck4hire
Wait. What does Brexit have to do with medical bills? ... we're not gonna lose out tax-pad healthcare are we?
piratejimthedagger
It was more a joke than anything but with a lack of free trade and freedom of movement within the EU I think the NHS is in more trouble.
removekarling
A deal with the US that introduces the cancer that is US insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies to our NHS is almost certain (1)
removekarling
with brexit under a tory, let alone a tory like Boris.
Schmuck4hire
There would be massive protests. It's one thing for Fox News to convince people it's fair when they've lived with it their whole 1/
Schmuck4hire
lives, but it's gonna look like some dystopian shit to the UK. 2/2
HieronymousFlex
As an American, I'm so sorry for what's about to happen to you.
Schmuck4hire
Seriously, ae you fucking with me?
Caramster
Seriously, UK will be desperate for trade deals. Uncle Trump already said if that's to happen, ALL aspects of UK economy are on the table.
Comet260
Don't vote Tory OR GOP kids!
boja1994
because you're part of the EU you don't pay any tariffs or taxes on the goods that could ship your country That's all going to kick in (1)
boja1994
And when it does your government is going to hemorrhage money to put it in perspective California is the fifth largest economy (2)
IzzyBelleRes
I've never seen a medical bill in my life.
harley350
You from Canada ?
ChampagneSupernovaInTheSky
darkunited
Wrong wrong and wrong. He simply throws away the bill before opening it.
Nuttsy
I've seen one just this Sunday! 3.5€. Really ought to get off basic insurance before the next viral season.
LooseyGooseyBrett
The secret is dont give them your real name or address
aravena
Me either.
datCookieGuy
Neither have I and I've had a few surgeries
WaterUnderTheRocketAppliances
Died as a baby, did ya?
datCookieGuy
se7enblessings
Nope even that cost an easy 2500. But thankfully you can't pay interest being a dead fetus and all
AnusReadyToBeRavaged
Ah, I see you live in a well established society that values life, nice.
RugAddict
Or has never been in the hospital
SprungLake
Or maybe they value death and don't have hospitals
CulturallyEmbiggened
Or he's blind.
AnusReadyToBeRavaged
Touché
NorseGod222
Dat username
RobertDinero013
Good luck when you get a serious illness and you're 14,927th in line for a transplant. I was in the cancer ward with several Canadians 1/2
IzzyBelleRes
I went through cancer treatment in Canada, so I know youre lying. Its done by triage, sicker go first.
RobertDinero013
Why would I lie? Just because they weren't the sickest doesn't mean they should wait for treatment. My highly aggressive Burkitt's Lymphoma
RobertDinero013
Shouldn't mean a lady with breast cancer has to wait. They pay and get treated at the same time as the people who could be dead in weeks
IzzyBelleRes
If youre at the dead in weeks stage (aggressive stage 4) chances are no treatment at all will help you. Try learning before talking.
RobertDinero013
That came to the States for preferential treatment.
MrHailstone
Sure, by choice. That's the key here. They chose to pay and likely aren't getting in financial trouble with that decision
filben7
One mole removed and checked for cancer and one tooth pulled in the last month...$500 each. Fucking ripoff.
waitwuh
I pay $500 for my medicine every month that allows me to functionally work and especially drive (to and from work) safely.
myhousesmellsliketuna
Was...was that a pun?
Heavenissize17socks
Mole removal + biopsy for $500? Sounds like you got a bargain.
filben7
Yeah, without the cash discount it would have been like $2K+. Even more insanity.
Kimsgrim
ohhhhhh Caaaanaaadaaaa
hopethisisarelevantname
As a Canadian who has lived in a bunch of other countries, a bunch of other countries do this as well. (We're not that special)
Vinnyvinny
Brazilian here. Even we don't have to pay. USA is really fucked up
Steel723
Our home and native land!
sheebalasvegas
true patriot love!!
Hapsdinersdumpsterfire
In all thy sons command...
CptCaboose
Terre de nos aïeux ! ( Woo bilingual anthem )
NothingPrince
If you can move to a 1st world. We don't get hospital bills.
Coyote8
1st world literally just means you won the most recent world war.
Cheomesh
Nah it means you're in NATO.
Coyote8
And what did NATO do??
HolyCringeLordBatman
You think NATO existed during WW2? Holy fuck lmao
Coyote8
Look, a pedantic internet troll! How original!
IllusivePanda
More accurately its who allied with the US and NATO. 2nd world allied with the USSR, and 3rd world stayed out of it all. Oddly enough 1/?
IllusivePanda
Ireland, Sweden, Switzerland and others could be considered 3rd world countries since they never formally joined NATO.
Coyote8
I was oversimplifying for the joke. But you're correct https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World
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Coyote8
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World
Coyote8
It's an oversimplification. It's who allied with NATO. 2nd world Allied with USSR, third world nonpartisan.
Ghost0fDawn
Not sure where your humor went but it certainly didn't settle here.
NothingPrince
Ugg I still cant tell when people are joking. From now on I'm just going to amuse people are taking the piss.
NothingPrince
I thought America did win its wars.
ShadarL0g0th
[Laugh in vietnamese tree]
CaptRackham
They're like 8 and 2, 1812 and Vietnam didn't really go their way. Beat the fuck out of the injuns though
BenSnow97
also, they kinda lost in 1865 (although in their defense they won too)
CaptRackham
Actually this is an interesting question, Lee surrendered the army at Appomattox Courthouse to the Union forces. He didn't surrender the
ontario007
I live in Canada, there is no bill. (And 70% of Canadians say that this is the most important thing about being Canadian)
eidolonecho
Because you pay up front at the cash only clinics to avoid a 6 month wait?
Somethingsomthingdarkseid
Not true, I spent 10$ on a doctor's note.
AD4N
All we hear in America on Fox is people in Canada are dying because you have a waiting of list 5 years before you get a brain transplant.
Josiahkf
it's true. I had to wait over 7 years for my new brain. but I live in a poor province so the brain transplant list is mindblowing
BobbyBrown57771
Yeah and then all ya hosers come over here to get surgery because of you waiting years on a list
IzzyBelleRes
Not true at all. Stop listening to fox and fuckwits
BobbyBrown57771
Ive had many friends in canada tell me that first hand
IzzyBelleRes
No you havent. Its a lie
Kahmael
US subsidises corn, Canada subsidises health.
davisgraves
In all sincerity, I'd like to see how many "medical breakthroughs" happen in free market environments vs govnt run systems.
paulbloface
People like to flog how the US spends more than anyone else on R&D, but that's just by virtue of it being a large and wealthy country. 1/2
paulbloface
There are other countries with public or blended systems that spend a larger % of GDP on R&D than the US. 2/2
davisgraves
What country would that be. I asked a very straight forward question and have gotten zero good answers.
PuzzledCompletely
Best I can tell, mostly the free market researches how to make us keep paying more.
Jaimelee
Paraphrasing here, but Chris Rock already pointed out that we don't cure anything anymore, we just treat it. I believe AIDS was the example.
davisgraves
Ahhh yes the famous researcher Christopher Rock.
LegendarySelf
What's your taxes like there? I hear it's a lot higher to compensate for stuff like this, but no one really says how much
paulbloface
Higher, but not dramatically unless you're earning far above average. We also spend half as much on healthcare as the US per capita.
WingedFanatic
I would enjoy living in Canada one day.
Grumpyfrumpy
It's cold yo
ClimateChangeIsAlreadyKillingYou
Like any other civilized country...
Ghost0fDawn
Yeah but like, you have to wait, and its slow! - American pharma pushing their agenda
Waidonut
But I can pay and have no wait. I have CHOICE
instanoodles
I wait less time for treatment than it would take me to pay off the bill to get seen right away.
planetNasa
As a Canadian living in Texas. I’ve waited in both ERs for the same amount of time.
Josiahkf
rich province or poor province?
fishnetv
Service is not slow. I had emergency surgery 2 hours after my CT scan. (bowel obstruction) no bill ever in Canada & world class health care
foesmono
My gf just broke her tib fib, affluent six days on morphine in the hospital, transferred once, two surgeries, she was treated within five...
foesmono
*spent six days
foesmono
Mins of entering ER and we left one day after second surgery with nothing more than a prescription and free rental equipment
rambosmurf
I have many British friends. One of them, a prime working age person. Had a single wisdom tooth removed after a 3 year wait, yesterday.
LifeTrek
I had to wait 2 days for mine because I was working and it was more convenient for me then.
thorismymaster
There are very few NHS dentists to be fair. For emergency treatments or real illness, never had to wait for anything
Josiahkf
skimmed this too fast and "one of them, a prime working ape"
Justboredtobehere
Can't speak for Britain, but here in Canada would not take that long.
GirthBrookss
Ya I’m Canadian and had a tooth ache, went to the dentist and my teeth were removed within the week.
salzter11
Slow and free is better than fast and bankrupt
GkEjMRzh7L8u
And if you really want it and can pay for it, the private medical system is still available.
Nero12353245
It’s not even a real trade off, it’s slow here in the US too
BuickRiviera
Just about any elective type procedure (like knee, hip replacement) has a wait of a few weeks to months.
MoReRoo
I think that entirely depends upon the medical emergency.
dragonraven13
They don't ignore you if it's an emergency. They take you immediately. They reserve rooms and beds for this.
paulbloface
We operate on a triage system. If you're in urgent need of serious medical treatment, you jump the line.
MoReRoo
Oh I'm sure, else there would be an alarming amount of dead people.
rebel1996
That’s pretty sad that 70% think government control is their most important thing. Not freedom or skills just “free shit” that’s not
maew22001
Preach.
bequietbekind
I mean... I just... If you're not dealing with chronic pain/health issues (in the US particularly) you prob don't know lucky you are.
RigoryMorty
Canada is ranked 5th on the human freedom index. USA is ranked 17th.
GrandProtectorDark
"Reeeee government bad, universal healfcare and proper welfare evil reeeeeeee"
bequietbekind
My partner and I are currently struggling to navigating the US healthcare system due to her chronic pain issue along with a failing hernia 1
bequietbekind
...mesh. If you think gratitude for universal healthcare is "sad" then I congratulate you on your apparent good health. You just fucking 2
bequietbekind
pray you never need to navigate this shit yourself because it's a nightmare I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. The US is still a first 3
bequietbekind
world country? My big, white ass.
JamEngulfer
The US isn't the 'most free' at anything. That's a lie peddled to you to make you not question authority or try and improve the country.
wheeledPhoto
Well, that and the beer, eh?
CountClapula
Not even ...maple syrup???
kawkamawaq
Still gotta pay for luxury bones...
burpnslurpnderp
I just watched a debate on this with someone from Canada who moved to the US to seek treatment, because any sort of specialist was a 1/?
burpnslurpnderp
Super long wait. They also limit the number of procedures doctors can do. I’ll try to find the link.
burpnslurpnderp
https://youtu.be/ci4OIpklEtE
JayEnfield
My mum recalls a time in which my province would send an itemized bill... And the total would be zero, but it'd show you how much you'd used
JayEnfield
IMO a good reminder that all this stuff is still being paid for by someone, and we shouldn't abuse it.
AFistfulOfDollHairs
The other 30% is free weed
salzter11
Where exactly? Asking for a friend....
AFistfulOfDollHairs
Get a doctor to write you a prescription and get the government to pay for it. That’s what you get for giving away our water rights, jerks.
salzter11
I think you need to do some research.... no one here is getting free medical marijuana...
Waidonut
Wait, it's free?!
AFistfulOfDollHairs
Gotta live here and take full advantage of location and programs
fakename9992718
This is a lie. There's always a bill. My recent hospital visit cost me $4.40.
spict
I spent a few nights in a hospital for various tests and they robbed me of more than 30 € per day.
DillPixels
Unacceptable. /s
fakename9992718
Because I don't have insurance.
fakename9992718
I don't know how I can pay it.
fakename9992718
Might have to sell a few of my Pokemon cards.
MoReRoo
But not my Charizard.
Shmaaw
Ontario here. I've only ever had to pay for prescriptions, what are you getting 4 dollar bills for?
VikksVix
Medium double-double and an everything bagel, toasted w/ cream cheese.
NihilismForever
Herb and garlic cream cheese!
NihilismForever
Hospital vending machine
Josiahkf
probably grabbed a bag of peanuts from the hospital mini bar
Trassation
In US they'll stick the peanuts on your bill and somehow they'll cost $35. *Cries in American.*
InsertCleverNickNameHere
Parking right? That's where they get you.
codedphilosophy
Definitely crutch rental. I'll be talking to my MP 'bout this!
VikksVix
went to urgent care - $15 parking. then they sent me to ER downtown - nooooooo - parking $30.
Shazaintnobodygottimefordat
There's no bill for emergencies. But if you dont have employee or independent coverage you are easily out of pocket for medication.
helen02134
Question: Does Canada have the equivalent of Medicaid? Which is health and medications (no dental) for the poor. Meds are free.
Shazaintnobodygottimefordat
No, only health is standard, meds are partial cover by the government plan (maybe 40%). Dental is excluded. Not the hype that ppl think.
IzzyBelleRes
Meds are covered for low income, but you have to apply for the program.
namiasdf
Insurance is readily available and made affordable via subsidy though. You don't have to rely on some employer to guarantee you to life.
namiasdf
Which they provide to you on the basis that they don't pay you what is the cost of the healthcare to them, and it's become the normalized
namiasdf
pay across the board. This taxation comes around somehow, only your corporate CEOs pocket it, instead of it being spend on social programs.
rfsimons13
Wait healthcare in Canada is free?!! I thought you payed hefty taxes for your “free” hc. I must be mistaken, my bad.
stankginchfurbuger
Not so hefty. Def less than your health insurance
RadTechExtreme
I'm in the highest tax bracket in Canada. My money helps people fixes roads pays for services and is occasionally squandered by politicians
LovesToSpooge517
I liked this comment, it reflects my own sentiments on my taxes
rollercostarican
I pay the same amount of taxes as a canadian in same tax bracket.I also THEN have to pay $300/month in medical plus for visits/procedures.
KarateCanine
You are mistaken. Our federal tax rates are lower than Americans. State and provincial rates may be different though. But seeing how 1/
KarateCanine
Healthcare is federal, that's the one I mentioned.
AD4N
The real difference is in the U.S. you have the god-given right to own a 9mm, but not the right to health care. Different priorities.
PYCKIBOT
paulbloface
Tax rate for the avgCanadian aren't that different than the avg American's. We spend about half as much per capita on healthcare as the US.
HolyCringeLordBatman
I like you're ideologically set you're replying to a comment they never made. Also their average tax rate isn't any 'heftier' than then ours
Justboredtobehere
The amount I pay in tax each year is less than what you pay for a single hospital visit.
mrsuzukiami
I jsut had MRI on neck and paid 10bucks.
rollercostarican
ive been billed $400 or an MRI and i have insurance.
flosser
750 after insurance already paid
eidolonecho
50 to 70% of your income?
Josiahkf
if you made over 99 million a year as an individual, I think it's 70% yeah. but as a corperation I think it's 999 million
Ikindawantsoup
Dude, my sister has CF, two health insurances, go a $12k medical grant and still has to pay a fortune for her prescriptions. Good ol USA.
kellyxx
http://www.worldwide-tax.com/
Justboredtobehere
I don't pay 50% of my income in taxes. And if a single visit to hospital can cost YOU 30 grand, what percentage of your income is that?