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I'm a member of several serial killer/gore/true crime groups on Facebook and the like and this photo is posted on a pretty regular basis. It ALWAYS inspires lots of great comments, theories and discussions so I thought maybe you fine folks might also enjoy giving it a go.
I'm really sorry if this has been posted before, I personally had never seen it and thought it could be fun.
Mopsus
It's murder, because a women wouldn't buy flowers that would just wither away after she killed herself
MikeHawck
Mjack18
Murder, she may be left handed (cigarette, the pen in the table is at the left of the paper). The gun is in the right hand
PersonaNumberOne
Exactly if it was a suicide and there's a note it means it was thought out. Make sure the job is done. So the gun is in the wrong hand.
barnacleboy15
He's trying to plan the perfect crime by getting everyone's input and detail.. i see you
JimNeverHasASecondCupOfCoffeeAtHome
A stool that tall? The blood should be higher on the wall. Clearly a staged suicide that was actually a homicide. Boom, you've been Poirot'd
TosokTheRodentHunter
murder. hand is still holding the gun. hand and gun are underneath a shelf. stool tipped over.flip flops are not together.
funnyinthehead
Wine bottle in the bin. Gun is novelty cigarette lighter. Standing on the stool in one shoe, drunk; slipped off, smashed head against wall.
Riku0142
im really interested in this, you got any more? @op
tylerswife
No I'm sorry. The group is mostly murder videos and pics, everyone just likes it when this pops up :-)
Riku0142
Damn, this was a neat little puzzle, a bit disappointed there's no definite answer though.
tylerswife
Oh yeah it's a cool one!
Sacurason
@Op is there anything else similar to this? It's super neat; wouldn't mind trying to puzzle out some others.
tylerswife
Oh thank you! That's actually the only puzzle I've seen as far as this kind of thing goes but I'll try to fine more :-)
TwentyTwoRandomLetters
Pretty clearly murder. The Pixar lamp staged the scene.
mekon1
Murder gun is in wrong hand
toilet55
I think we're on to something here. I mean the thing isn't even plugged in!
MyDixyRect
That's exactly what I was looking at too. It's made to look like she was reading.
Kevbot79
Murder. Bullet casing on shelf next to lamp it would have been ejected out towards the room based on the direction she was sitting
Kayayayaya
That's what I thought, too.
pudf
Old age. It's a bitch.
Iamjamjam
Murder. You'd drop the gun after you shot yourself.
PerfectGifComment
DopeyFuckedaPenguinAgain
Unlikely to turn around before being shot so gun would be in the wrong hand. Also why wouldn't you finish your smoke first
MrShpoople
Am I the only one who finds it odd that there is only one sandal?
Manse84
Had to scroll a while to find you. I thought the same thing
WholesomeCrackwhoresForSale
youresowrongImadeanaccount
Potentially, but she also may not have been wearing them at time of death, and it's just a bit of clutter.
tylerswife
Not at all, in this I think all the little things like that are meant to give clues either way
Gruntingonomatopoet
Nope. I also think that clothing indicate a warm clomate and wearing sandals would leave a mark like tanlines or dirty feet.
PickingAUsernameIsTooMuchCommitment
Everything is a hint, only one sandal points towards the other getting lost when the body was moved from another location
mwahahahahaha
Body placement relative to the stool tipped over is odd.
Doridan
It's hard to say. Body could of moved the stool as it fell to the floor.
Dalarge1
Yea the blood splatter isn't consistent with which hand the gun is in.
sweetfeetpete
If it was suicide, she was facing away from the desk, would explain the blood & body angle, but not how the shell casing ended on the desk
szorg
I think the "shell casing" by the lamp is the lighter used to light the cigarette.
ERJockey
Bodies tend to fall forward or backwards due to weight placement, not sideways. Also, the area of blood splatter would be greater in the 1/2
ERJockey
case of suicide, as there's a greater exit force than there is at a distance. This, among other things, points to murder.
AnEvilGenius
Murder. Cigarette and gun still in hand. Limp bodies usually fall forward. Blood splatter in wrong direction. Plus other reasons.
CorgiCircus
The gun is in her right hand if she shot herself there would be a small blood splatter on the wall and the stool would have fallen other way
HanktheHeliotropeShank
Yeah, it seems unnatural that she hold the cigarette in her hand while offing herself, even so, would it stay between her fingers after...
HanktheHeliotropeShank
... falling to the ground? That seems unlikely. Looks staged...
IZ42
Her body fell like she was facing away from the desk. Suicide.
ERJockey
Regardless, bodies tend to fall forward due to weight placement. This indicates she fell sideways, so it's wrong all together.
CthuluAlmighty
not really, her feet are still facing towards the desk so unless she spun around as she fell its highly unlikely
IZ42
Her feet are clearly facing away from the desk.
Melanisia
Lit cigarette, gun in right hand (pen position indicates left handed), also women rarely choose violent means of suicide.
TheJerkNessMonster
Ashtray is on the left side of the note/pen. So that's the hand she used to smoke. She probably wrote with her right hand.
IZ42
She was probably holding the gun as she was writing, and as a lefty, I often switch hands for firearms/weapons, no answer for cig bc I'm not
IZ42
A smoker.
Doridan
When doing a more demanding task, like writing, it's not uncommon for smokers to use their less dominant hand to smoke
ImgurNeedsMoreSmartass
Don't know... looks like natural death to me
rainmakerab
If my explanation is wrong I'll change my story and support your version
IsItPronouncedImgurOrImgur
Idk the real killer here seems to be that cigarette
notacreepylurker
it's murder, she's left handed, cigarete on left hand, pen on left side of the paper + lamp on the right.
WhatsAJib
She was a smoker, so most likely lung cancer. Case closed.
ReposterCallerOuterMan
read the comment, then the username....laughed for 15 minutes
suchpokemon
Yeah she was gettin' pretty old.
TheBroble
I've had it with this place!
NOINOON
Da, comrade. Da.
stopusernamebullying
As a crime scene specialist, there's no way this was a natural death. Most likely it's the smoking that killed her.
ThePornBroker
That lamp is looking a little shady to me.
ThySausagePrince
Clinton?
hakaisha89
dying from a bullet to the head is quite natural, so it is a natural death.
CorneliusCornwall
Its perfectly natural to die from a shot to the head
SirFeatherbottom
Yeah, it was a "heart attack", just don't question the quotation marks around "heart attack"
Eichimaru
FuckILoveTurtles
Always upvote papa
Eichimaru
You know poppa's got yo back!
GeoTeacher
It could have been an accident. The blood splatter looks more like an impact wound than a gun shot
belgianbonzai
username checks out
stopusernamebullying
I wish your user name was "usernamechecker". Then we'd be checking out two levels deep. And I think that would be cool.
ILikeToCheckUsernames
Am I close enough?
stopusernamebullying
Yep, that'll do. This is what I love about imgur. You ask, you get it. It has everything!
ApplePeachPumpkinBlueberryCherryorBananaCream
The lamp isn't plugged in.
HopefullyJustSomeRandomDude
And it appears to be night time, but hard to tell.
Sacurason
Could've come unplugged as she fell. Gun could've caught on the cord or something.
patstoffy
Could have been unplugged during the fall
lcplspanky
Also, gun in the right hand, it's not impossible, but unlikely she turned around on the stool after writing to shoot her self
REDS1X
murder, nobody commits suicide and leaves their flip flop out.
ilikecheeseburgers
https://media.giphy.com/media/piKYOGq7zBYPe/giphy.gif
HanktheHeliotropeShank
This is the perfect gif for this situation. Well played.
IlexLegion
BoozeHound001
So? I have 2 unplugged lamps in my room right now
HopefullyJustSomeRandomDude
How often do you write a note in the dark? I think that's the overall point we're trying to make
Danetto
The room seems pretty lit to me...
BoozeHound001
Now that I think about it I've been doing my homework in the dark
AllAlliterationsAreAwful
Murder. She is not in the kitchen, so the body must have been put there by the killer.
KaJuN
MrHydeifyouplease
LlornDeIcamole
Dblo01
Hahaha. Yes.
Tarobaap
Yooooooooooooooooooo hahaha
tylerswife
Best evidence for murder yet lol
YouCanHateMeNow
The direction of the blood splatter assuming she was facing the room sitting on stool at ToD suggest the shot came from a more forward angle
YouCanHateMeNow
It also suggests she was in fact not on the stool at all but rather leaning onthe counter by the mirror while taking a drag.
YouCanHateMeNow
As a british spy targeted by trumps gestapo she draws her gun from her waistband as the intruder is entering the room. Too slow on the draw.
DankMemesSinceThe5thGrade
Not proven, nothing in picture indicates that she was in the kitchen, unless we are going to the stereo of women belong in kitchens,no doubt
DankMemesSinceThe5thGrade
No doubt it's murder though
RayLiottaLaughsAtIdiots
IsPhrasingNotaThingAnymore
SaiChiMagic
Why is this not top comment
helpusdrzaius
I'm not so sure that it's a she. No boobs. Can't confirm by face. Men in late 80's and early 90's could be mistaken for women based on dress
Lurkingoff
This is too much for me. Looks like a case for the Hardly boys. Two young whipper snappers with a knack for solving mysteries.
probablyabnormal
Bravo.
CaptnMurica88
I almost shot clue goo all over Joe
tygerpsimatrix
Sirspaghetti
Oooh I've got a raging clue!
WholesomeCrackwhoresForSale
Here's my deduction:
I swear, it gets like, sorta breathe-a-little-bit-harder-out-your-nose-than-regularly
WholesomeCrackwhoresForSale
So no one really wants to read it? The one time I do something besides being an asshole lol
Russellstiltskin
it's not that we don't want to. I actually can't see it. The pic is too small.
WholesomeCrackwhoresForSale
nah man, just open in a new tab or zoom
tylerswife
Wowza! I came to compliment your username but stayed to thank you for putting such time and thought into it!
WholesomeCrackwhoresForSale
Why thank you, I am quite proud of my username.
Xiphodin
Also where is the lighter and how did the shell casing wind up on the desk. If she wasn't facing the desk it would be on the floor.
WholesomeCrackwhoresForSale
Hmm, keen observations.
I didn't notice the casing and I didn't think of the lighter
mwahahahahaha
Left handed due to the pen, gun in right hand is strange
Muttons1337
I'm lefty but have to shoot righty.
rbandrews
I'm left handed but I shoot with my right. Otherwise the safety is on the wrong side.
IronicUsername
I'm right-handed. I set pens and pencils down on the left side of the paper. In terms of wrist movement, easier to pick up that way.
CanduReactor
Smokes, ashtray, drink are also all on the left. Very likely left handed. Also if you shoot yourself in the head I assume you'd drop or 1/2
CanduReactor
crush a cigarette that you had in your other hand.
iAmLordBeer
Ash tray is on the left. If she's a lefty, she'd be reaching across her work every time she needed to ash. Or take a drink, for that matter.
CanadianLadyMoose
Or she uses her left hand to smoke while she is writing with her right hand.
iAmLordBeer
Exactly, so she's not a lefty. Which means the gun is in the correct hand.
CanadianLadyMoose
Which means, if it were a suicide, she'd have to be facing away from her desk... the question is how to determine that
CanadianLadyMoose
This is fun
CanadianLadyMoose
Her butt/legs are facing the right way for her to have been sitting facing away form the desk at least but she could have been positioned...
Silkyshadows
Paper is facing right handed
MaximilianSteele
Ambidextrous?
ThatWeeBabySeamus
Blood splatter would suggest the bullet was shot through the head from left to right. Gun in the right hand would not allow for that angle
LiterallyWorseThanHitler
From the angle she fell at, she was facing away from the desk, so the bullet was shot from her right to her left.
Messiphesto
Unless she fell backwards of the stool
ThatWeeBabySeamus
Damn you're right
Mythrys
I would say murder. I think she is left handed - the can of coke is to the left, and people tend to pick up drinks with their dominant (1/?)
Mythrys
hand. Additionally, the lamp, despite being unplugged, is on the right side, and most people will put their light source on the (2/?)
Mythrys
opposite side of their writing hand. Since the paper is shifted to the right, indicating someone was writing with their right hand, (3/?)
Mythrys
I take it that the murder wrote a fake suicide note. The blood splatter is not standing height, which means she was sitting when she (4/?)
Mythrys
was shot. It is unlikely she turned around to face the room before shooting herself (why would she?). She is also still holding her (5/?)
Mythrys
cigarette between two fingers, unlikely is stays there when she shoots herself. The stool also is unlikely to fall in that manner (6/?)
EasySqueeze
People keep saying the pen shows her as a Lefty, but try setting a pen down after writing something. Shes a Righty.
Mustachi0
Unless the killer wrote the note
EasySqueeze
True. I guess i should say whoever wrote the note appears right handed.
theignatz
Yeah my pens end up literally anywhere within arm's reach of me.
Mythrys
I'd argue she is a lefty and the note was written by the right handed killer
EasySqueeze
I don't disagree. I should have specified whoever wrote the note was right handed if not her.
Mythrys
Gotcha! So do you think murder or suicide?
EasySqueeze
Not sure. I think people are reading to much into which hand. The unplugged lamp is interesting, as well as the hands still holding things..
EasySqueeze
Not sure. I see reasonable explanations on both sides. But stated elsewhere, there is no real answer.
Mythrys
Ah, but these are more fun when you pick a side and dig for evidence :P
SherMattLockSmith
It is a combination of the pen, position of the ash tray, and people generally smoke with their dominant hand, which is in her left hand.
EasySqueeze
The pen shows righthandedness though. Is it more likely she wrote with her off hand or smoked with it? Or is it a murder?
ElGordoSalvador
Look at the blood spatter, she was shot on the left side of her head when she was sitting on the stool. Gun is in the wrong hand, murder.
EasySqueeze
Not that I'm saying murder or suicide, but if she was facing away from the desk when shot everything lines up still.
arandompenguin
Lamp is on the right of the paper, right handed writing would be shadowed, left handed would make more sense
mimomisu
for me the only main thing is the lamp. everything else is fine but the lamp shows she is a lefty
IcanttiemyshoesbutIcanfuckyourbitch
Just looked at my notebook and my pen is on the left hand side of it. I'm a righty. That was unexpected.
iAmLordBeer
If she's a lefty and writes with her left hand, why would the ashtray be to her left as well? She'd have to reach across her work to ash.
IcanttiemyshoesbutIcanfuckyourbitch
Yeah makes sense. I'm agreeing, was just saying I hadn't expected my pen to be to the left of my pad haha
Herathyon
Yeah, but what about the ashtray? It's on the left. Is it the same? Idk, I'm a lefty and smoker and never put the ashtray on the right.
EasySqueeze
I'm a righty, but i smoke with me left hand. Its a habit i got from driving a car and ashing out the window.
ahsanzee
i changed countries and the driving side flipped... it turned me into an ambidextrous smoker.
sinbinrugger
The gun is in her right hand. If she shot herself in the head with that hand then the blood splatter is on the wrong side.
highteck9
But the body could be facing the other direction cuz look how the body fell anyway
ElGordoSalvador
Exactly
EasySqueeze
not if she was facing away from the desk. The way the body fell seems to indicate that she was.
sinbinrugger
That's true. But why turn around after writing a note?
EasySqueeze
Don't know. If it was a suicide, mental instability kind of makes all questions like this impossible to answer for sure.
WomboWombo
Look at the sandal if they were sitting the other way it will be under the desk. But I guess withour the other no way to confirm.
oxidisedgearz
Turning or not isn't enough to call it a murder though. She could have turned to make sure she didnt slump onto the note and bleed on it.
fairybug
I think it's murder. is there a correct answer, @OP, or is it just meant to get you thinking?
tylerswife
Oh it's definitely more of just a puzzle kinda to get you thinking :-)
SigneowTheCat
I've actually taken a forensic science course that used an expanded version of this exact scenario. There's very definitely a right answer.
fairybug
Well then, was I right? Was it murder? I'm guessing by unplugged lamp/unfinished cig/fresh flowers/toppled stool.
SigneowTheCat
While I can't vouch for this specific picture, in the expanded scenario our teacher gave us, it was a murder. Supporting details were 1/3
SigneowTheCat
that most signs pointed to the victim being left handed, while the gun was wielded in her right hand, recently lit cigarette, and some 2/3
VesuvianPrime
Is there a correct answer? I'd say murder because the gun is in the wrong hand, the cigarette is unfinished, the note could be anything
L4dead2
Plus the gun is still in the hand.
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
My guess is murder. Shes left handed but guns in right. Blood splat is from her left side. Plant is healthy, etc.
matticusspraypaintimus
I'd say suicide judging by the way the body is laying they had their back to the note. The pile of cigarettes indicates depression my guess
secretbison
And her other shoe is missing, which might mean she was moved
Millsslslsls
Either murdered for a flip-flop, or suicide over the anguish of only having 1 flip-flop. only possibilities imo
StoneEndeavor
I think the letter was placed. The lamp is unplugged and if you look it's dark outside. Murder.
JesusHorsedickChrist
You're missing a very important detail. The room is clearly well lit.
quantfysik
That's because YOU turned on the light when you got there to figure it out ;)
JesusHorsedickChrist
All I have go on is what I see, and I see a light that is already on and lighting the entire room.
PapaTimDankopus
Suicide from the bottle in the trash bin, she could have decided to end it right then and there. She seems like an alcoholic.
BryceVanDoom
What if they looked away from the window?
MrEcstacy
Blood splatter is right to left; therefore, she was leaning over the cabinet instead of the desk. Gun is in appropriate hand.
saintjocks
Also blood on the side of the face meaning a bullet went from ledt to right instead of front to back.
xXx69PussySlayer69xXx
i dont think you can actually see the blood on her face
herdingcatsthatarehighoncatnip
Gun is in the wrong hand for the blood splatter and the victim is left handed (the ashtray, soda can and pen are on the left side).
mitzialbright
The twist in her body leads me to believe the turning and shooting was one motion
CanadianlDude
The position of the body. Specifically legs suggest she wasn't facing the note which would explain gun in right hand.
madmaurice
Also the chair does not look like it stood directly in front of the note before the fall. And if she turned around she probably would 1/?
madmaurice
have switched the cigarette to the other hand to keep it closer to the ashtray. A habit you get when you're a smoker.
madmaurice
* if she turned around without being threatened by a gun.
CthuluAlmighty
Finger isnt in the trigger guard either
BillNyeThatOneGuy
The blood is too low on the wall too. Who squats over to blow their brains out
buttpunch13
Its just a drawning, not a photo
MrEcstacy
She was leaning over the vase smelling the flowers her dead husband gave her for the last time. She closed her eyes and went to meet him.
xXx69PussySlayer69xXx
lamp is plugged out. she could have ducked to plug it in and got shredded
xXx69PussySlayer69xXx
lamp is plugged out. she could have ducked to plug it in and got shredded
YourBananaForScale
She was sitting on the stool...
PaintedSlate
Which at her height would have put her head well above the spatter. She would have been sitting on the ground, probably nearer the wall.
YourBananaForScale
If it happened to be a suicide, maybe....also it's a drawing..Not a real life to scale model.
PaintedSlate
Just a fact of positioning of the head. Seems body had to be moved. If it's drawn inaccurately in 3D, then that throws a wrench in things.
LandManatee
There's some forced perspective going on here. The desk isn't high enough to use if you look at it that way.
BillNyeThatOneGuy
Splatter of blood on the wall doesn't have a wide enough radius
xXx69PussySlayer69xXx
Dexter?
YourBananaForScale
Are you a forensics technician, or are you just trying to make up for that stupid comment you made earlier?
ERJockey
They aren't wrong though. A close range shot like that would have a large area of splatter, as opposed to a distanced one. It's not suicide.
Fighter5345
I have been in a couple criminalistics classes, if it was suicide the gun would not be in the hand.
CodeyEdgar
but why take off your glasses if it wasn't suicide?
HalloMyNameIsInigoMontoya
I wondered about that one. Could be only needed for writing the note, and taken off just like putting the pen down when done.
CodeyEdgar
Fair enough I could definitely see that possibility as well!
WholesomeCrackwhoresForSale
interesting thoughts, didn't think much of the glasses
Ispentthelastfewyearsbuildingupanimmunitytoiocanepowder
theyre next to a piece of paper, might only be reading glasses.
tylerswife
No I've never seen a definitive one given by the artist or anything, I think it's just the gore hound version of a 'puzzle'.
strangerdangers
murder. its dark outside. to write a note you would need the lamp to be plugged in.
thedogemperorofmankind
search the room. if there is a novelty lighter that looks like a gun, idiotic suicide. if not, murder.
ReposterCallerOuterMan
looks like a murder to me..if she was in the stool when the gun banged, and thats the hand she used to pull the trigger, blood on wrong side
Ayeimtherealwillie
Victim is left handed, ie location of pen, pop can, ash tray Gun is in right. Even if she fired with right, blood...
Ayeimtherealwillie
splatter would not be on that wall. It is possible that victim was facing away from window but given the factor victim appears to be...
Ayeimtherealwillie
Female, it is highly unlikely a projectile weapons would have been used.
ObscuraNox
I dont know if its because the drawing is missing in detail, but look closer at the gun. The fingers arent wrapped around the trigger.
HalloMyNameIsInigoMontoya
Interesting observation, but that could easily have been caused by the recoil, or falling off the stool.
CoBr2
Seems clearly murder. If she was sitting in the stool, how did blood get around the corner of window frame?
xXx69PussySlayer69xXx
well there are strong indications though. pen on left (writer was a leftie) her gun is in the right hand (not her) ergo murder
thegreatheed
I write left handed and shoot right handed.
xXx69PussySlayer69xXx
who else does that tho?
Malixet
My sister burned her right hand badly as a child and learned most skills lefty. Writes left (learned early); shoots right (learned late).
Kevbot79
I'm right handed and shoot leftie. (Due to being left eye dominant)
thegreatheed
LH are far more likely to be ambidextrous. They grew up with those RH scissors in school that didn't cut a thing in your left hand. /grrrrr
SwiftyRich
I think it's directed towards murder.... The gun in the right hand doesn't coincide with the bloody splatter going left on the wall.
jameydoger96
Unless they were facing away from the desk
voledan
also, pen is on the left side of the paper = high chance she's left handed
Slaan
But cigs and coke on left side too, usually those are used with the non dominant hand (write with right, drink/handle cig with left hand)
LoganRay
Also, the way the pen was put down suggests that she was right handed as well.
FeyLily
look at her knees though. If she had been facing the desk when shot, her back would be facing us. Assuming she was facing out, gun is 1
FeyLily
2 in the correct hand
Bysiyan
That's not the main problem. The spatter is low or medium volocity, more consistent with beatings, and there's no bullet hole in the wall.
jameydoger96
Unless they were facing away from the desk
ThisWorldMakesMeSad
But the gun is in the right hand.
bootymen
So wrong yet so Reich
MagnusTheFox
lol
Jthechef
I don't think in a real suicide the gun would be in the hand at all
Stormthius
He's left handed though. Look at the pen. Plus the blood would be on the left not the right logically.
andergriff
those shorts and you think its a guy?
ThisWorldMakesMeSad
Guys guys...the guy said it's in the wrong hand. I said it's in the right hand. Come on...it was a joke
Talonidir
Username is relevant right now
theworstpersonontheinternet
That'll teach you to make puns!!!!
ThisNameIsntTakenYet
Also, if she shot herself with that hand facing the note, the blood wouldn't be on the wall, it would have splattered the other direcion
illogicalphallusies
depends on how they were sitting, were they facing the lamp/window, or sitting with their back to the blood splatter?
ThisNameIsntTakenYet
You can tell by the pen on the table that the person is most likely a lefty. Person would shoot themselves with their dominant hand
CanadianlDude
I'm a righty and that's how I place my pen
CanadianlDude
Maybe more centered on the page but Same direction
HateMeFuckYou
Im a lefty but i shoot right.
Doridan
But if you set them up in the stool, the pen is then on their right side, indicating they would be right handed.
ThisNameIsntTakenYet
I'm referring to it being on the left side of the paper, I assume that's where they were using the pen
Doridan
Yes, but if the other stuff is set up so the left hand can use it, you're more naturally going to place the pen in the middle of your body
CauseImaLaaady
She also has a cigarette in her left hand, which suggests left dominance. And she most likely wouldn't be smoking while she shot the gun.
DrDoomas
Smoked for about 15 years. I would smoke with my left hand when my dominate hand was busy.
CauseImaLaaady
Current smoker. I'd finish my cigarette before shooting my self.
Hungrypiemonger
She? did you just assume gender?
BillNyeThatOneGuy
Look at the desk every thing is on the left side of the paper
Tunzaphun
I believe he meant the literal right hand..
ThisWorldMakesMeSad
I did. Lol
gtmiller
Could be prefence towards the cigarette.
WhatTheDormouseSaid
Paper is positioned for a right handed person, lamp over the shoulder to write too. It makes sense for the cigs to be where the left hand is
thoushaltnotpass
The blood spot indicates that she should have been back to the paper when shooting w/ gun in right hand. The spot is at chest level 1/2
boom1chaching
Finish the note, turn around and shoot yourself. If you get blood on the note, what's the point of the note?
thoushaltnotpass
So she must be sitting at that moment. We don't see where the initial impact is on her head precisely but it looks like it's on the left
WhatTheDormouseSaid
Right hand writes, left hand handles cigarette duty.
highteck9
If they were sitting on the chair and used the right hand the blood wouldn't be splattered on the wall to the right
apolloin
There's no requirement for them to be facing the note when they pull the trigger.
Nifty255
My theory is that, if this were suicide, she turned around before taking the shot. The way she fell says the same thing.
humblehater
unless she turned around on the stool to say something to someone, then shot herself..
thegreatheed
You can't just call the right hand the wrong hand nowadays. You bigot.
SarcasticFreak
Correct answer is suicide. She was facing away from the note when she pulled the trigger, so it is not in the wrong hand.
bunnyrut
murder because the person is obviously left handed.
reallyguysseriously
How do you know she's left handed
bunnyrut
desk is set up for a left handed person
MoparGoVroomVroom
Why in the wrong hand? She seems to me to have been facing away from the desk. Otherwise she would have fallen differently.
LaBix
There appears to be a spent case on the right (near the lamp). If she shot herself it'd be on the left.
LeonQuin87
Because the blood splatter is also to the right, she would have to be shot from the left side.
bottswobble
Yes, if they were facing towards the desk but re-read the guys comment
BillNyeThatOneGuy
Look at the desk every thing from the pen to the coke is on the left side indicating that she is left handed
Leaga
The cigarettes are on the left and there is a cigarette in the left hand. Its not like you need your dominant hand to pull a trigger 1/2
Doridan
But the ash tray and coke are on the left of the paper and glasses which would indicate she was right handed
tatercake
Most people unconsciously drink and smoke with their dominant hand. If she was right handed, they would be on the right
delightphil
Could be ambidextrous
Gruntingonomatopoet
The more I think about it the more sense it's starting to make. The dark window would've acted as a mirror. I would've turned away to (1)
Gruntingonomatopoet
avoid looking myself in the eyes. Also if it's a suicide note on the table turning away could be a symbolic act of leaving it all behind.
MoparGoVroomVroom
Maybe it was a message about the tyranny of righty's and the oppression faced by lefty's?
MoparGoVroomVroom
She used her right hand to show that she was driven to this end by our right-handed culture!
ohdeear
As a lefty, she would have a hard time writing with the paper at that angle.
Tunzaphun
But she is in a position that would indicate falling while facing away from the desk
Leaga
But you might need your dominant hand to pull a drag from a cigarette in a hand trembling with nerves. 2/2
WasholeMasshole
The paper and glasses are positioned as a right handed person would leave them if they were facing the desk. Left handed would have left 1/
WasholeMasshole
the paper tilted to the right as that is the direction required to write leftie. Glasses would have been at the same angle as the paper 2/
WasholeMasshole
on the left side of the note
InappropriateReaction
Suicide. Took off glasses, lit a last cigarette, turned to face away from the desk, killed self. I'm a lefty. That's how I'd do it.
HighAltidude
"That's how id do it"
YiffySupreme
The pen on the paper is on the left hand side facing the paper. Implying that she is left handed. However the gun is in the right hand.
YiffySupreme
Not to mention the soda and the rest of the cigs are on the left hand side.
HalloMyNameIsInigoMontoya
You know, I think if I was about to off myself, I'd actually fold the glasses closed. Just seems tidier and more final.
InappropriateReaction
Weirdly a lot of people who drown themselves in the sea fold their clothes first.
HalloMyNameIsInigoMontoya
You know, I think if I was about to off myself, I'd actually fold the glasses closed. Just seems tidier and more final.
Sacurason
I think you can only lean one direction or the other. There are too many small oddities to make it 100% certain either way.
Sacurason
-->I'd lean towards suicide, but still check for handwriting discrepancies, gunpowder residue on the hand. I think that would help some.
InappropriateReaction
Well yes, if you could do even a brief check of the scene you'd have a better idea. Has the gun even been fired? Which side is the wound on?
Sacurason
I know, I know, it sort of defeats the purpose of the puzzle. But if you were unable to check the scene like that, it'd be a wash.
CastleRockDOR
Murder. Was writing, saw someone outside, locked window, grabbed gun hidden behind books, got shot, fell, knocks over stool and unplugs lamp
InappropriateReaction
Foresaw their murder and kept hold of their cigarette while locking the window and fetching their gun?
CastleRockDOR
She locked the window, grabbed the gun, lit a fresh cigarette and stood against the wall facing the door. Only one way in, safer to stay put
InappropriateReaction
Too tall to have left that mark while standing, centre of gravity is too far from the wall to have fallen while against it
wotemer
Occams razor. why face away from the desk? unnecessary step. also, probably a righty(position of items on said desk)
wotemer
only useful Thing on left side is the pen. but its on the same side as all the cigs. purportedly smoked while writing
FernandoRumdebum
Everything is on the left. Ash tray, drink, pen, cig in hand. Gun is in the right but splatter indicates shot from left, so it was planted
InappropriateReaction
Cig in left hand, so glasses taken off with the right (also an unnecessary step, but one that has been taken)
idontreallydomucharoundhere
that type of placement is really unnatural for right handed smokers. 2
idontreallydomucharoundhere
Yeah the cigs ashtray, and drink are both on the left side of the letter, if this person were right handed they would have to reach across
wotemer
holy shit... do people who are not ambidextrous really do anything with one hand? what a mess. :D
idontreallydomucharoundhere
I mean we do stuff with both hands... but basically if it requires putting something in your mouth you do it with the dominant hand 1
idontreallydomucharoundhere
I.e. eating, smoking, drinking, brushing teeth... all dominant hand 2
Xiphodin
Here's a silly question. Where is the lighter?
soulman901
Under the lamp
Xiphodin
I thought that was the shell casing.
xXx69PussySlayer69xXx
but then you wouldnt shoot with your right hand. pen on the left (whoever wrote the note was a leftie) but the gun is in the right hand(1/2)
xXx69PussySlayer69xXx
so either she is a leftie and woul've shot with her left hand or the murderer who wrote a fake note was a leftie. murder
InappropriateReaction
I did just say I'm left handed. Easier to hold a cigarette with my more dexterous hand and fire the gun with the other. Not like I'd miss...
Juicytoast
The blood splatter is on the right from where she was sitting and the gun is in the right hand. Also blood from the right side of head.
Juicytoast
Therefore murder because its hard to shoot yourself in the left side of your head with the gun in the right hand.
FeyLily
Only if she was facing the desk when shot. If she was facing away, which her body position indicates, then the hand/splatter make sense
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but, wouldn't you finish your cigarette? btw, are you a smoker?
InappropriateReaction
I do smoke yes. And if you're going to kill yourself waiting until you've finished your cigarette seems a little trivial.
Doridan
Trivial, but in suicide it's completing an act. So it would be speculated that they wood finish the coke and cig before the task.
HalloMyNameIsInigoMontoya
Coke can could easily be an empty, trash can looks pretty full. I agree, would definitely finish the smoke, or take a drag and stub it out.
NotSoAppropriateComments
Nope, you'd save the rest for later.
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troubleguy91
She must be really attached to that cigarette for holding on to it after shooting herself.
UsernameViewableToPremiumUsers
even the gun imo...
TGWeaver
Cigarette's not burning though. It's been extinguished. It should've burnt down to the ashes.
Doridan
But people who wear glasses would naturally face the arms of the glasses towards the face, not away
ARabidDingo
I tend to take mine off and put them upside down, arms facing away. More natural movement twisting my wrist out rather than in.
szorg
If you're very emotional about something, distraught, you may just toss them on to the desk.
Sacurason
Can confirm. Source: Have done this myself, though for me the arms would be upside down due to how I take them off.
hobbit76
Also lefty, would hold gun in left hand, not in right hand
szorg
Also also lefty. Would hold gun in right hand.
Zapster109
But the gun is in her right hand, and the bullet/blood went right - when you hold a gun to your head, it points the other way.
InappropriateReaction
Facing away from the desk the bullet goes to the viewer's right if held in the person's right hand.
Zapster109
Why would she turn around?
InappropriateReaction
It's the only way they could have shot themselves with the gun in the right hand and they wouldn't have fallen that way otherwise.
Zapster109
They could have shot themselves with the gun in their right hand, facing the desk - the bullet and blood would go left not on the wall (1/2)
Zapster109
(2/2) and then they could've fallen out of their stool the other way. You don't necessarily fall the same way as the bullet went.
YoureTheBIGmarriageExpertOhIMsorryiForgotYourWifeIsDead
Murder. Both the cigarette and the gun are in the wrong hands for it to make sense.
FeyLily
2 means the gun and cigarette are in the correct hands
FeyLily
Only if you assume she was facing the desk, but her back would be facing us in that case. She was shot while facing away from it, which 1
szorg
Please explain. Cigarette is in left hand, which is where the ash tray is on the desk.
YoureTheBIGmarriageExpertOhIMsorryiForgotYourWifeIsDead
The gun is in the right hand. Now look at the blood spatter.
szorg
Yep, if you're sitting away from the desk (unnatural I admit) you would hold it in your right hand (pointing through your head at the wall)
szorg
and as we know from JFK, more comes out the back side than the side the bullet goes in to.