Nov 3, 2021 10:43 PM
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Sentay
Easiest way to think about it, it's Terminator rules (if you kill the guy who leads the war earlier then the in-between part is irrelevant).
goflyblind
MySpiritAnimalIsTheUnpopularOpinionPuffin
"A terrible tool for teaching someone how to play chess" Recommended. 12.5 hours of game play. ?
RoosterBrewster
neeners
I’m just trying to figure out where the horsey can go
strugglesnuggler
I won a few matches. I spent forever going through the history to find out just how I won though.
Tchya
I'm absolutely terrible at this game and I love it! Whenever I miraculously win I need the computer to tell me where the checkmate is.
cainofdreaming
What's the hoohah? It's just chess.
Iwontbeback
I love how the "What non-euclidean lovecraftian seep spawn..." review gets cut off half way lmfao.
MsManners
Oh cool! That's a clever use of state management in software--I was taught it using the 7 queens problem and recursive backtracking.
zafner
There is no present, is how that works.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
The game has a consensus present, because it needs a timestate to test victory conditions against. That consensus present of course moves.
ataradov
It is just confusing. And really, who thinks 2D chess is easy?
rubypilgrim
This seems way easier than Getting Over It with Bennett Foddy
jubajuice
Tbf, it's way easier to understand with a rudimentary knowledge of the French revolution
drop this, refuse to elaborate, leave.
iamspartan1262
Thanks, I hate it. How do I play
CygloPargen
How is the "present" decided?
LordNergal
Last move in the timeline you are looking at. "Present" varies by timeline. However, a timeline will not progress until other timelines 1/
have caught up. An easy way to delay a checkmate is through time travel. 2/2
meganical
I hated chess as a kid so I completely forgot how to play it. Maybe I’d try this and button smash like Mortal Combat
... that's actually a viable strategy with this one, as I learned the hard way.
AimlessSavant
All hail the Jurrasic Rook! https://youtu.be/_7VAnAgmshA?t=18m53s
JustYourAverageNerd
its actually only got 4 dimensions unfortunately. 2 spatial, 1 time, and the parallel world dimension
think about each of these as an axis like in math class. traveling to a parallel world is like traveling along an axis
idiotcube
The 5th dimension is the Knight Dimension, which only knights can access. That's how they pass through other pieces.
And yes, that does mean we've actually been playing 3D chess for centuries.
AvgWhiteShark
He keeps saying "this human form is limiting".
OaksParcel
Shit like this humbles me. It's a clear indicator of the limit on my intelligence. Playing this with any real strategy is no easy feat.
Etereo
Is it even duable? Time will tell
EngorgedPhallus
To be fair, we don't know if the nephew played with any strategy either.
yeaaadude
Start the game: “checkmate! I have the stones bitch!
roboticKittenTamer
Yeah, if it involves time travel just go into the future and see who won! "I'll checke mate you in 6 moves, again in 37, and 23 moves ago…
djhash
"Maybe YOUR human brain!" - That guy's nephew probably
kidtutty
"Maybe your HUMAN brain!" - That guys's nephew, probably
orbitn
Childhood's End. The aliens will be here soon to witness the rise of a new form of life on this planet, and the obliteration of the old. >
And I for one say not soon enough damn it
Boredoom
"Maybe your human BRAIN." - That guy's nephew, probably
ialwaysoverthinkthings
"maybe your human brain" - THAT guy's nephew, probably.
GiantEnemyMudcrabz
"Maybe your human brain." that guys NEPHEW, probably.
kinglysandus5
I don't think this is that terrifying. The pieces just have some new moves and you have to stop playing X moves ahead is all...
shepard1707
Now you're not just playing X moves ahead. You're also playing for X moves back.
Sliprunner
no thanks, I'll stick to 4D mazes instead
CorneliaXaos
Did you play the one where you cross your eyes to simulate a fourth dimensional eye? I loved that one. Played it lots.
tracereading
Just be careful not to get flipped when pushing back down/kata to 3D space.
OohReilly
Isn't a fourth dimensional puzzle just life?
Skullord
So late-game Talos Principle?
mudstew
Shhhh I haven't gotten that far yet
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
That game has been out forever. Also there are like 3 or 4 different endings. Good luck.
Thank you. I just started playing this summer
Did you beat it yet? I just reinstalled it. ? Just got to world B.
A Mad lad has also tried coding 5D Diplomacy. It is chaos.
From what I've seen, a fully working 5D Diplomacy should turn out to be more coherent and fun than 5D chess.
StarmineRendezvous
My brother and I got this. It is a blast for a while, then you really sit down and figure shit out and it hurts your brain forever. 1
I honestly think in perfect play scenarios, whoever splits the timeline first loses, because of the split limit mechanic. A player can -> 2
only split X + 1 times, where X is the number of times your opponent has split. You CAN split more, but those timelines will not become -> 3
active/relevant until they fall under the above formula, then they can influence the other timelines. This means whoever splits first -> 4
has to be worried about 2 timeline jumps in a row checkmating them, which is horrid to be wary of. Therefore a perfect game in this is one 5
where no one splits at all. It is the correct move most of the time. Then again, where is the fun in that? 6
TheGloveFTW
I have played a few rounds of this and it can get crazy
ArchMagos
Every game I've played against the AI has been a draw since the AI stops being able to make decisions after enough branches get maid
Next thing you know, you’re challenging Bobby Fisher and it’s 4am
The only way to win is by accident checking a king 5 turns in the past
md22mdrx
Well, you can undertrump 3 times after a trebeled fromp discard …
FuzzBall87
How do you time travel in chess?
OptimusPantry
Carefully - if you die in chess, you die in real life.
YesYouJustLostTheGameAgain
Yes
Pretty easily. I like to force opponents to put multiple kings in the same timeline and then place a piece in such a way they can't move 1/
one of the kings without my piece automatically checkmating another. It's easy to win once you grasp basic temporal mechanics. 2/2
SteppingInsideOutOfMyself
“Easy”
Immakingitweird
hastThouTheHolyHandGrenade
Covidnineteen
It's like normal time travel, but with chess. Pretty easy once you get the first part down
xtreampb
We’re all time traveling beings, we just haven’t figured out how to control the rate at which we travel
Aelok
Just draw the rest of the fucking owl.
Arbitrarynamehere
See that's where I'm lost though
MrCheezypoofs
Think of time as a third dimension. Rows/files are x/y, time is z. z is just a new direction we can pick. So in 2D chess (1/2)
treymadams92
If your lost while time traveling, just go back to the time period you started from. SpongeBob has a whole episode on this
Lemmingofdarkestnight
What? Only 5 dimensions?
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ClaudeKenny
kmikl
Version 2.0 will include super position and string theory.
EverNotRelevant
There's at least another 5, but they're curled up very tightly.
confanity
Most chess doesn't use electromagnetism. Maybe in the sequel.
ChalkCoatedDonut
We had more but you-know-who decided to give them all for bullshit prizes.
AmIAUniquePersonality
You're not planning on building life in that universe, are you?
Spudd86
It's not even really 5, there's only really 4.
TsubakiTragic
Good point... is there not a lot of quantum physics that needs 11 dimensions to make sense?
GibsMcKormik
It's not the five your thinking of.
boneh3ad
We have 5. Th... Thousand. Yes, 5 thousand!
IrishExit
the bullet is enormous there is no escaping!
terriblethunderlizards
I like how i only see 2
Phaceteeth2
Moonenites?!
HellaPictureSeeing
"Did he see it?" "Oh yes?".. ""Deed ju see zat fucking guy flipping me off! Turn around ve must go and kick zeir azzes" or smthng like that.
I should probably go back and watch these as an adult and see how it compares to my high school self.
colt64
It's actually only 4 dimensional but I'm hoping they add a new dimension as DLC.
culinarydream7224
It could be 5th dimensional if it allows you to skip to an in-game "dimension" in which you made a different move
Sageypie
Iirc that's basically what this is. It has you rewinding back to previous moves, but also making multiple moves simultaneously and seeing-
-all of the moves play out at the same time as separate boards open up with what would happen with all the different moves.
Muffyns
What combination of moves allow you to throw the table?
RalphH
stumbled over it a while ago, i will never touch it!
It's not actually that difficult. The learning curve is not much sharper than that of regular chess.
Srcsqwrn
Interesting
In theory, but in practice, the number of moves and cross-timeline-and-past plays makes it unimaginably more complex each move. 1
When I could jump timelines, and then checkmate you in the past like 5 turns back, things get fucky. 2
Threats of checkmate apply across timelines. So do threats of capture. Once you master that, it actually becomes somewhat easier than 1/
regular chess. 2/2
blipblow
Albeit the learning curve of chess is the hardest learning curve
Mentok
My favorite way to play is to move fast, be aggressive, check as fast possible. Once they're reacting, they're prey.
hirosjimma
Nah man it's quite easy to teach a kid the basics of how the pieces move on the board. Try teaching someone how to play HOI4 or Stellaris.
LarsenB
Teaching rules and how pieces move is like getting past the tutorial screen that tells you what SPACE and E do; learning curve starts after
Inimposter
Stellaris is fairly simple. The rest I couldn't surmount. The tutorial is actively harmful =_=
aslum
Or Dwarf Fortress if you're up for a challenge.
DF is not hard, only the vanilla controls are a bit ... special.
Sentay
Easiest way to think about it, it's Terminator rules (if you kill the guy who leads the war earlier then the in-between part is irrelevant).
goflyblind
MySpiritAnimalIsTheUnpopularOpinionPuffin
"A terrible tool for teaching someone how to play chess" Recommended. 12.5 hours of game play. ?
RoosterBrewster
neeners
I’m just trying to figure out where the horsey can go
strugglesnuggler
I won a few matches. I spent forever going through the history to find out just how I won though.
Tchya
I'm absolutely terrible at this game and I love it! Whenever I miraculously win I need the computer to tell me where the checkmate is.
cainofdreaming
What's the hoohah? It's just chess.
Iwontbeback
I love how the "What non-euclidean lovecraftian seep spawn..." review gets cut off half way lmfao.
MsManners
Oh cool! That's a clever use of state management in software--I was taught it using the 7 queens problem and recursive backtracking.
zafner
There is no present, is how that works.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
The game has a consensus present, because it needs a timestate to test victory conditions against. That consensus present of course moves.
ataradov
It is just confusing. And really, who thinks 2D chess is easy?
rubypilgrim
This seems way easier than Getting Over It with Bennett Foddy
jubajuice
Tbf, it's way easier to understand with a rudimentary knowledge of the French revolution
piconuke
drop this, refuse to elaborate, leave.
iamspartan1262
Thanks, I hate it. How do I play
CygloPargen
How is the "present" decided?
LordNergal
Last move in the timeline you are looking at. "Present" varies by timeline. However, a timeline will not progress until other timelines 1/
LordNergal
have caught up. An easy way to delay a checkmate is through time travel. 2/2
meganical
I hated chess as a kid so I completely forgot how to play it. Maybe I’d try this and button smash like Mortal Combat
LordNergal
... that's actually a viable strategy with this one, as I learned the hard way.
AimlessSavant
All hail the Jurrasic Rook! https://youtu.be/_7VAnAgmshA?t=18m53s
JustYourAverageNerd
its actually only got 4 dimensions unfortunately. 2 spatial, 1 time, and the parallel world dimension
JustYourAverageNerd
think about each of these as an axis like in math class. traveling to a parallel world is like traveling along an axis
idiotcube
The 5th dimension is the Knight Dimension, which only knights can access. That's how they pass through other pieces.
idiotcube
And yes, that does mean we've actually been playing 3D chess for centuries.
AvgWhiteShark
He keeps saying "this human form is limiting".
OaksParcel
Shit like this humbles me. It's a clear indicator of the limit on my intelligence. Playing this with any real strategy is no easy feat.
Etereo
Is it even duable? Time will tell
EngorgedPhallus
To be fair, we don't know if the nephew played with any strategy either.
yeaaadude
Start the game: “checkmate! I have the stones bitch!
roboticKittenTamer
Yeah, if it involves time travel just go into the future and see who won! "I'll checke mate you in 6 moves, again in 37, and 23 moves ago…
djhash
"Maybe YOUR human brain!" - That guy's nephew probably
kidtutty
"Maybe your HUMAN brain!" - That guys's nephew, probably
orbitn
Childhood's End. The aliens will be here soon to witness the rise of a new form of life on this planet, and the obliteration of the old. >
orbitn
And I for one say not soon enough damn it
Boredoom
"Maybe your human BRAIN." - That guy's nephew, probably
ialwaysoverthinkthings
"maybe your human brain" - THAT guy's nephew, probably.
GiantEnemyMudcrabz
"Maybe your human brain." that guys NEPHEW, probably.
kinglysandus5
I don't think this is that terrifying. The pieces just have some new moves and you have to stop playing X moves ahead is all...
shepard1707
Now you're not just playing X moves ahead. You're also playing for X moves back.
Sliprunner
no thanks, I'll stick to 4D mazes instead
CorneliaXaos
Did you play the one where you cross your eyes to simulate a fourth dimensional eye? I loved that one. Played it lots.
tracereading
Just be careful not to get flipped when pushing back down/kata to 3D space.
OohReilly
Isn't a fourth dimensional puzzle just life?
Skullord
So late-game Talos Principle?
mudstew
Shhhh I haven't gotten that far yet
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
That game has been out forever. Also there are like 3 or 4 different endings. Good luck.
mudstew
Thank you. I just started playing this summer
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
Did you beat it yet? I just reinstalled it. ? Just got to world B.
AimlessSavant
A Mad lad has also tried coding 5D Diplomacy. It is chaos.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
From what I've seen, a fully working 5D Diplomacy should turn out to be more coherent and fun than 5D chess.
StarmineRendezvous
My brother and I got this. It is a blast for a while, then you really sit down and figure shit out and it hurts your brain forever. 1
StarmineRendezvous
I honestly think in perfect play scenarios, whoever splits the timeline first loses, because of the split limit mechanic. A player can -> 2
StarmineRendezvous
only split X + 1 times, where X is the number of times your opponent has split. You CAN split more, but those timelines will not become -> 3
StarmineRendezvous
active/relevant until they fall under the above formula, then they can influence the other timelines. This means whoever splits first -> 4
StarmineRendezvous
has to be worried about 2 timeline jumps in a row checkmating them, which is horrid to be wary of. Therefore a perfect game in this is one 5
StarmineRendezvous
where no one splits at all. It is the correct move most of the time. Then again, where is the fun in that? 6
TheGloveFTW
I have played a few rounds of this and it can get crazy
ArchMagos
Every game I've played against the AI has been a draw since the AI stops being able to make decisions after enough branches get maid
meganical
Next thing you know, you’re challenging Bobby Fisher and it’s 4am
TheGloveFTW
The only way to win is by accident checking a king 5 turns in the past
md22mdrx
Well, you can undertrump 3 times after a trebeled fromp discard …
FuzzBall87
How do you time travel in chess?
OptimusPantry
Carefully - if you die in chess, you die in real life.
YesYouJustLostTheGameAgain
Yes
LordNergal
Pretty easily. I like to force opponents to put multiple kings in the same timeline and then place a piece in such a way they can't move 1/
LordNergal
one of the kings without my piece automatically checkmating another. It's easy to win once you grasp basic temporal mechanics. 2/2
SteppingInsideOutOfMyself
“Easy”
Immakingitweird
hastThouTheHolyHandGrenade
Covidnineteen
It's like normal time travel, but with chess. Pretty easy once you get the first part down
xtreampb
We’re all time traveling beings, we just haven’t figured out how to control the rate at which we travel
Aelok
Just draw the rest of the fucking owl.
Arbitrarynamehere
See that's where I'm lost though
MrCheezypoofs
Think of time as a third dimension. Rows/files are x/y, time is z. z is just a new direction we can pick. So in 2D chess (1/2)
treymadams92
If your lost while time traveling, just go back to the time period you started from. SpongeBob has a whole episode on this
Lemmingofdarkestnight
What? Only 5 dimensions?
[deleted]
[deleted]
ClaudeKenny
kmikl
Version 2.0 will include super position and string theory.
EverNotRelevant
There's at least another 5, but they're curled up very tightly.
confanity
Most chess doesn't use electromagnetism. Maybe in the sequel.
ChalkCoatedDonut
We had more but you-know-who decided to give them all for bullshit prizes.
AmIAUniquePersonality
You're not planning on building life in that universe, are you?
Spudd86
It's not even really 5, there's only really 4.
TsubakiTragic
Good point... is there not a lot of quantum physics that needs 11 dimensions to make sense?
GibsMcKormik
It's not the five your thinking of.
boneh3ad
We have 5. Th... Thousand. Yes, 5 thousand!
IrishExit
the bullet is enormous there is no escaping!
terriblethunderlizards
I like how i only see 2
Phaceteeth2
Moonenites?!
boneh3ad
HellaPictureSeeing
"Did he see it?" "Oh yes?".. ""Deed ju see zat fucking guy flipping me off! Turn around ve must go and kick zeir azzes" or smthng like that.
boneh3ad
I should probably go back and watch these as an adult and see how it compares to my high school self.
colt64
It's actually only 4 dimensional but I'm hoping they add a new dimension as DLC.
culinarydream7224
It could be 5th dimensional if it allows you to skip to an in-game "dimension" in which you made a different move
Sageypie
Iirc that's basically what this is. It has you rewinding back to previous moves, but also making multiple moves simultaneously and seeing-
Sageypie
-all of the moves play out at the same time as separate boards open up with what would happen with all the different moves.
Muffyns
What combination of moves allow you to throw the table?
RalphH
stumbled over it a while ago, i will never touch it!
LordNergal
It's not actually that difficult. The learning curve is not much sharper than that of regular chess.
Srcsqwrn
Interesting
StarmineRendezvous
In theory, but in practice, the number of moves and cross-timeline-and-past plays makes it unimaginably more complex each move. 1
StarmineRendezvous
When I could jump timelines, and then checkmate you in the past like 5 turns back, things get fucky. 2
LordNergal
Threats of checkmate apply across timelines. So do threats of capture. Once you master that, it actually becomes somewhat easier than 1/
LordNergal
regular chess. 2/2
blipblow
Albeit the learning curve of chess is the hardest learning curve
Mentok
My favorite way to play is to move fast, be aggressive, check as fast possible. Once they're reacting, they're prey.
hirosjimma
Nah man it's quite easy to teach a kid the basics of how the pieces move on the board. Try teaching someone how to play HOI4 or Stellaris.
LarsenB
Teaching rules and how pieces move is like getting past the tutorial screen that tells you what SPACE and E do; learning curve starts after
Inimposter
Stellaris is fairly simple. The rest I couldn't surmount. The tutorial is actively harmful =_=
aslum
Or Dwarf Fortress if you're up for a challenge.
RalphH
DF is not hard, only the vanilla controls are a bit ... special.