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I've never quite understood the discussion about what's better - Star Wars or Star Trek.
Yeah, they both take place in space, but that's pretty much where the similarities end. Comparing the two is like comparing "The Life of Pi" with "Titanic" because they both happen to be centered around a boat.
And then there is the idea, that you - for whatever reason - can only be a fan of one of them. But why?
I love Star Wars for the fun time and the great adventure that every movie delivers.
And I like Star Trek for the optimism and the ethical questions that most episodes bring up.
So yeah, I'm a fan of both. And I guess the universe hasn't imploded yet because of that.
What about you? Star Trek or Star Wars or both?
Milfhunter6000
Both. Well said about the Star Trek optimism. It is what I have chosen to believe and hope about our future. It is striveable.
JudgeMentaI
I freakin love Babylon Galactica
Flexster74
In a Galaxy far far away, I shall boldly go.
vikingvampireangel
It's because star trek is about deep philosophical narratives in space about human nature and scientific advance and star wars is 4 autists
aTokenOfMyExtreme
Those titties are out
Jonnymarre
Sadly, both franchises have been reduced to action schlock.
MrPippin42
I agree. Why can't we all agree Babylon 5 was the best?
MemedtheStableBoy
Indeed O'neill
snowtree
Threns
It's tribalism. That's all it is. We don't raid and pillage villages anymore, we have primate pissing games over preferred narratives.
muscarinenya
Nerd pecking order
TrekPrince
Theinternetwasinventedforveryimportantscience
Oh I didn't see there were words here. Both are good but Star Trek > Star Wars for sure.
lichenit
SirBinky
Both although both properties have been mismanaged recently in different ways!
the12thletter
Abraaaams! *shakes fist*
bringbakfirefly
I disagree. I think they're getting better.
AUGEN2
Yes, I tend to agree. :)
Shargan8
I expected way more of ST:Disco
CaptainCrohbar
Give it time, I think it'll be good. The first three seasons of TNG were pretty meh, IMO. DIS is already more watchable than that.
Dumpsterfullofgristle
Both. SW for epic sci-fi action, mysticism, and laser swords . ST for more relaxed storytelling and study of humanity in extreme situations.
butteredtoast789
Because one is subjectively better than the other and when 2 parties of either side get together; they will try to prove it to each other
MikeMcAwesome91
Star trek just doesn't appeal to me for some reason. Trek fans are ok. And I'm ok. And that's ok.
bringbakfirefly
I like the movies, not so much the shows.
AUGEN2
Of course it's okay not to like them. But I find this "You can't like this, if you like that."-argument a little strange.
grumplestiltzkin
Star Trek looks forward to a utopia future and the struggles of living in it. Star wars is just a space fantasy opera. Barely even sci fi.
FrancoUnAmerican
What about stargate ? :(
bringbakfirefly
I thought the same but it's small beans compared to these giants. I'm looking forward to the next series though.
FrancoUnAmerican
They've dropped in ratings unfortunately :( It would seems as they've stretch 1 episode over 10 for the season. :(
AUGEN2
Thats a TV show based on Roland Emmerichs movie featuring MacGyver. ;)
FrancoUnAmerican
Pretty much, lol ! But IMO it's the best developpement about the earth. started as a millitary facility finish with ships and teleporters.
phoenixht1
Next convention I'm going in my ST:TNG uniform, but carrying a lightsaber.
deadmansshoes861
I didn't know there was a big divide tbh. They're both great in their own ways.
LeadByBadExample
Kinda like Hitler is great for being on the forefront of solving overpopulation, these are great for entertaining many people.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
There's not as big of one now, but there used to be a huge divide between the two.
DVSBSTrD
There isn't really. Most people like both, but disagree on which one is better.
secretdpp
Oh dear god there used to be a huge divide. It was heretical to like both at once
ChiefSokka
Lord of the Rings
AUGEN2
I've got Gandalf on there. Oh no.. wait.. that's Luke. ;)
nihilistdad
Gandalf has quite a magnetic personality.
DexPumpkinGod
Star Wars and LOTR are strikingly similar and employ the same archetypes. Surprised people don’t compare them both more.
danidactyle
Both
Chyvalri
Star Trek no question.
Miles103RESPAWN
We actually do get along. At the moment, we all agree that the new Star Wars movie sucked. Making changes or trying new ideas != good movie
Septiformus
NewRomana
https://imgur.com/OhNsjOB
CatchBadCrow
Kaylee in a red TOS uniform... I didn't know I needed that til now.
Daetur
Wafflevore
I aim to steal this meme
7ameGorilla
Oh my gosh my nose started bleeding. I was wondering why I recognized these people but not the series... but I knew the series; but I didn’t
nihilistdad
Space western.
Tomkatie
Wash should have a red shirt
Septiformus
It's not red shirt exclusive
CatchBadCrow
Too soon
mikeatike
As a fan of both Trek and Wars, JJ Abrams can go fuck himself.
Geo80
Fuck him for what he did to Trek. But he's doing an awesome job with SW.
7grims
wow, in that I agree, fuck JJ abrams, he sucks really hard, i hate that he is back for ep9.
nihilistdad
As a fan of neither, ditto.
bringbakfirefly
Abrams makes everything better and I'll stand by that statement in the face of death.
7grims
JJ abrams, compulsory creating mysteries in stuff that doesnt need it, and not even caring to ever unravel those. Hell no, JJ abrams is bad.
mikeatike
How in any way was the new Trek better than old except in quality of actors and special effects? Story and direction were ok but worse.
bringbakfirefly
These are all opinions obviously. We just have different opinions.
BlankMage
At no point did the new Trek lecture us on politics or the importance of whales.
CidColetti
I'm a fan of both but for me, I enjoy Star Trek far more.
rvcaptn
well your wrong!
ledious
I enjoy starwars a tiny bit more bit still a fan of startrek. My day job is making a startrek game after all :P
TonyTin
Love jedi and the design of the star wars ships while star trek seems to have better story
Shargan8
Oh yeah?? Well my favorite STs are Enterprise and Voyager! Call me a heathen, I am used to it!
CidColetti
Not at all, love both a lot.
TonyTin
Those 2 are my favorite too, voyager got me into st while the story of enterprise was probably the best jean luc Picard was awesome
secretdpp
Like both, and bab 5, bsg, andromeda, lexx, red dwarf, firefly, cleopatra2525. So much so do goodness
secretdpp
Scifi goodness fuck you autocorrect
loismustdie
ST, SW, B5, BSG (old & new), red dwarf, firefly. Also sort of liked Dark Matter (but it's over now). Space A&B was okay too.
secretdpp
My gor forgot about above and beyond...
unknown44
Star Wars is Science Fantasy and Star Trek is Science Fiction. That's the difference and that why most people pick one or the other. (1)
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
Not really. Star Trek is still science fantasy. It's just more "technical".
Gregrox
They are both, however, "space operas" in the modern, non-derrogatory terminology.
nclu
ketochris
Ah contrere mon capitan!
iamthisguy247
I agree, but I still like both because it's all about being entertained in different ways.
squirlfood
I don't know few things are as fictitious as a futuristic socialism.
Dalael
I find StarTrek's utopian world to be more rooted in fiction than StarWars is.
naturenick
I agree and that’s why I like both - they hit different sweet spots in terms of entertainment for me
NQA1
Why do have to label everything?
JamEngulfer
Because things naturally group together with similar characteristics.
docmarblerunnerbill
Wah wah wah. Space ships. Laser weapons. I dont care if someone tells me it's a documentary. It's frikkin space ships and frikkin lasers.
supergreenpasta
Well both are fiction so this is stupid.
JamEngulfer
Of course they're both fiction. But the term "science fiction" has a definition. It's not a catch-all just because it contains 'fiction'.
supergreenpasta
Yes, but that definition is appropriate for both. In fact, if one googled science fiction they would be given both of these as examples.
nihilistdad
*space fantasy. There's absolutely nothing scientific about SW. I've no opinion on star trek, it's unwatchable.
Athferion
Not even science-fantasy. Just fantasy.
Atratvs
https://media1.giphy.com/media/1Z02vuppxP1Pa/giphy.gif
zeiji
futfan
stormtroopr1977
I think Star trek WAS science fiction. The new ones have become fantasy
Chris412cs
Star Trek has always been fantasy because of the mind melding.
TonyTin
And the Q
MobileUserGundam
I'm iffy on calling Star Wars "science-fantasy" but if it is, then so is Star Trek.
allihearisnoise
Another way of looking at is it's a space opera...bt it is essential the standard hero story in space.
LeadByBadExample
Space fantasy describes it much better. It's fantasy. It's set in space. Science plays no part. Space. Fantasy.
ydwyrd
It's a classic swords-and-sorcery high fantasy adventure...set in space.
LeadByBadExample
Beelsebooob
StarTrek is Science Fantasy. Science Fiction doesn't have magical solutions to problems that involve yelling some techno-babble, and it 1/
Beelsebooob
being solved because the plot needed it - it has rule sets that are rigidly stuck to. 2/2
BrokeMyFunnyBone
Whether or not deus ex machina is used is not a determinant of its genre.
Beelsebooob
Most SciFi authors disagree with you (though I'll acknowledge some agree with you). Arthur C Clarke for example firmly puts StarTrek in 1/
Beelsebooob
the fantasy bucket - "Science fiction is something that could happen - but you usually wouldn't want it to. Fantasy is something that 2/
TimeFoDat
They are both very much fictional and thus science fiction. One is a space opera, the other is an adventure serial.
LeadByBadExample
Star Wars isn't science fiction. At all. It has nothing to do with it. It's just fantasy set in space. Calling it sci-fi is blasphemy.
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LeadByBadExample
No such thing as sci-fan. It's space fantasy or fantasy fiction. Not talking too much about Trek, because I haven't watched much of it.
TimeFoDat
That's utter nonsense, there is scientific fiction abound in star wars. They have all types of unattainable technology not reliant on magic.
ChimneyImps
What does Star Wars have that's more fantastic than Star Trek? The Force isn't any different from the psychic stuff that's common in ST.
LeadByBadExample
I'm not gonna argue which turd is smellier. My contention is that Star Wars cannot be called sci-fi.
LeadByBadExample
... not to imply that Star Trek can. I just haven't watched enough Star Trek to judge.
TimeFoDat
Faster-than-light travel, controlled light beams, practically-sentient robot AI ... even midichlorians (albeit retconned) are sci-fi.
LeadByBadExample
You need that in space just like you need transportation in other works of fiction. Sci-fi is especially reliant on science. Star Wars >>
LeadByBadExample
>> could just as well take place in ancient Rome or in the 1940's. The story doesn't hinge on science.
Cancerousxhit
BS as a old school fan of SW I call BS, there's working basis for most tech in SW ST magics it up with fancy sci-fi words
BrokeMyFunnyBone
Like what??
LeadByBadExample
Please tell me more about this working basis for force and all that other bullshit in Star Wars. Sci-fi my fat ass. It's space fantasy and >
LeadByBadExample
> nothing more.
Beelsebooob
Right - StarWars is actually arguably *more* science fiction than StarTrek - which uses techno babble to deus-ex-mechana out of situations1/
Beelsebooob
pretty much at will, rather than ever having a rule set that's stuck to. 2/2
BrokeMyFunnyBone
Techno babble is probably more sci-fi than "because the force"
LeadByBadExample
That's like arguing over which turd is the smelliest of the lot. I would still say Star Wars is less sci-fi, mainly because of the magic.
Beelsebooob
Are you saying StarTrek doesn't have magic? It doesn't become less magic just because you said "realign the deflector shield" instead of 1/
Beelsebooob
"abracadabra". 2/2
LeadByBadExample
Honestly, I have never watched much Trek, but even technobabble is better scifi than "the force", which is just magic.
unknown44
SciFan doesnt try to use science to describe the situation or the tech while Sci-fi is loosely based on scientific principles. (2)
Dracongield
that is why so many hate the prequals midiclorans
AdoboPanda
Also Star Trek is largely about discovering cool new shit and finding diplomatic solutions to AVOID fighting. Star Wars is plucky rag-tag...
AdoboPanda
...bands of misfits taking on the galaxy. There's plenty to enjoy in both universes.
oifaen
Star wars is more adventure/space opera.. star trek is like macgyver in space
C0mtraya
MacGyver in space?
ElChupaNuggra
While you're not wrong every time I hear this I can't help but point out the Q and basically say, 'WHAT Fiction did you say?'
Beepity
More to the point of the rivalry, Star Wars is all about fighting while Star Trek (at least some versions) is about the future we could make
Beepity
In other words, Star Wars is about stuff worth fighting against, and Star Trek is about stuff worth fighting for.
echonite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiqmZLOaD8o
Beepity
Well played
manymemesabound
This. Exactly this.
PSWIIsixty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OVv-J-LXQU
ButtsMcGee86
It's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad!
mormacil
And then furthest away from SciFan you have Hard Scifi which tries to remain as much true to science as possible. Doesn't age well.
LeadByBadExample
Can't it just be FanFi instead, since it has nothing to do with science?
astrangehop
Used to be an "Issac asimov's fantasy & science fiction" magazine - with stories about witches next to stories about robot detectives.
LeadByBadExample
Isaac Asimov's FANTASY & Science Fiction Magazine? I'm just highlighting the part of the title that might explain that.
mormacil
Given that fantasy and scifi is always fiction and fantasy carries the implication of magic and medieval europe that would be a poor name.
LeadByBadExample
But there's plenty of magic in Star Wars. Fantasy is all about magic and the supernatural. There's no science in it. Space fantasy is good.
anonaltone
* laughs in 2001: A Space Odyssey *
mormacil
You mean the soviets, luxury space travel, mono program displays, punch cards, lack of mobile computers, hibernaculum pods, videophones 1/?
o4kill
I can't hear you over the vacuum of space. here, let me turn on my pew pew and soundtrack.
mormacil
Yes very very accurate. Now I give you 2001 is an outlier but most hard scifi aged poorly. 2/2
anonaltone
Alien is another hard-sci-fi movie that comes to mind. I'd also make the case that Bladerunner belongs in the category.
bamcockseverywhere
Where does The Expanse fit into this cause the zero g and society/resource management stuff feels pretty realistic
phobosorbust
There are a few gaping holes (magic engines, mysterious lack of water), but otherwise solid for the first TV series. Not sure about books.
bamcockseverywhere
They explained the lack of water as mining for Mars and Earth and the Canterbury is a ship from those days repurposed for the Belt
mormacil
Haven't actually gotten around to see that. On my list. heard it's on the harder side but still a TV show. 'Real' hard scifi has no FTL :P
bamcockseverywhere
I don't think The Expanse has FTL tbh, they're talking about burning across the solar system in three days and that's like 8 light minutes
bamcockseverywhere
I'm also hard pressed to think of any weapons they used that employed magic technology, the only hand-waving is rocket efficiency
Schrod1ngersCaT1701
I beg to differ. The Martian is one of the most scientifically accurate Sci-fi Stories out there and its not going away anytime soon.
Omez
Except for that minor water being scarce part that isn't true.
mormacil
It has hardly aged now has it? I'm sure in a decade of 4 it will have missed a critical part of technical development.
Schrod1ngersCaT1701
Still, its not like the author KNEW what was going to happen. Its like any historical work, you have to try to read it from the perspective
NotQuiteDeadYetPool
But when it crosses into science fact, is it still science fiction? Would a movie about a Apollo flight to the moon be Sci-Fi?
mormacil
Robinson's Mars trilogy is hard scifi. Fiction just means made up. Any story that has FTL travel, hibernation, portable laser or particle1/2
phobosorbust
More like a dramatization, possibly historical fiction if the plot diverges.
mormacil
weapons, energy shields or telepathic aliens all can't really be considered hard scifi. If it conflicts with known science it can't be 2/2