So, not for not. But my understanding of most jazz is that it is very fluid. Going to see a jazz band one night will not be same another night because a lot of jazz doesn't have nailed down songs. They are mostly free form. Therefore, it makes sense that there would be an occasion song that was copyrighted later even though it might appear on a jazz record
I mean, bass guitar beats aren't new. But neither is video game music being inspired by other music, like Ice Cap/Hard Times, or the Super Mario World theme/Green Green.
A lot of old video game music (especially from japan) is heavily inspired by Jazz fusion. If you go back and listen to those records you will find things like this. Koji Kondo has admitted to drawing inspiration from T-Square, and you can hear it in their "Adventures" LP from 1984 https://youtu.be/aK8RWlcjbFA?si=KVLq1weq-8WXN2uz
Yeah like once I was listening to these two albums back to back and imagine my surprise when my neighbor decided to sue me for scamming him out of $5000
In the 80s, on many weekend mornings, my wife and I would do acid and play video games all day. We'd laugh until our sides ached. Nothing but good clean fun there.
Played the re-release of Super Mario RPG on shrooms about 6 months ago. A boss battle resulted in my party turning into mushrooms and I couldn’t stop laughing for hours
Sort of related: https://youtu.be/9k7DrIWcrdI "The use of his theme song was discontinued from Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patriots onward due to allegations that its motifs were plagiarized from a classical piece by Russian composer Georgy Sviridov." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tappi_Iwase
All of my favorite japanese things, when dug into hard enough, have some pretty blatant things stolen. Evangelion's best song is just lifted from a james bond movie score. Some of the music in metal gear solid was probably ripped off from a russian composer, etc.
To be fair, you have to take our literally everything but the bass, and even then it's only, like, a 4 chord progression. Might as well accuse every 4-bar blues player of plagiarism.
There's only so many combinations of chords that exist, and the world's record labels have quite a big enough back catalogue that it's mathematically impossible to write something that's 100% guaranteed original.
In the U.S., that wasn't necessarily the case (or settled, explicit law), until the early 90s. And it has since been ruled that de minimis use does not violate copyright law or require licensing. Plus, a sample that has been modified to not be instantly recognizable may pass copyright muster, too.
Old video game music was more than happy to plagiarize the crap out of mainstream music. Sometimes its super blatant, sometimes its just an extremely on the nose homage, but it was rampant. You can find countless examples on youtube. https://youtu.be/GLlxSJO9kKk
Lots of Doom music was heavily inspired by metal from the 90s.
• e1m4 is pretty identical to "Rise" by Pantera • e2m9 is also a Pantera song, similar to "Mouths of War" • e3m3 is Slayer's "Behind the Crooked Cross" • Doom 2 map01 is basically Hangar 18 by Megadeth • map23 is pretty much a direct rip of "Them Bones" by Alice in Chains
These are just a few examples. Blatantly ripped or paid homage to the metal/alt rock of the time.
Rules for thee, not for me. Or pulling the ladder up behind them. It's okay when they're the underdog, but now they're rich and have to protect their fortune.
Nintendo was not the underdog. They had (and might still have) connections to the Yakuza, and have existed since 1889. They made playing cards, owned a taxi service, and had love hotels.
koji kondo wrote the music for super mario, the legend of zelda and has basically been the director for every major in-house nintendo game to this day, including tears of the kingdom
It's on his imdb but also says uncredited. Looks like it was a bit of a mix in the nes years. Some credited, some under a different name and some uncredited. but all are credited from the snes years onwards. Even the original mario song was inspired by a Japanese kids song
Hell it wasn't even until Half Life that credits for games became much of a thing. That was mostly because they had that excellent opening sequence with plenty of time to list everyone off. Before that good luck finding out things as basic as who voiced main characters.
Weird I seem to remember credits being on adventure games (Sierra Online, Lucasarts, etc.) before Half-Life came out. Maybe they just named the lead developer though.
Lucasarts was pretty good about it. In general it was just the lead dev or even just an already-recognizable name that was tangentially related to the project. Even today a lot of VFX and smaller roles will go uncredited.
Righteousdew
The fucking grammar on this one.
FireSolvesProblems
Buckle up your seatbelts, shit is about to get wild.
Etherealvalentine
Mmmmmmm it's similar
BoomerTheYounger
Try out Masayoshi Takanaka for size!
Dasnekones
That is nothing. Ever heard of a 4 chord song?
https://youtu.be/5pidokakU4I?si=QocN12xCWFT4S5Gj
micotyro
So, not for not. But my understanding of most jazz is that it is very fluid. Going to see a jazz band one night will not be same another night because a lot of jazz doesn't have nailed down songs. They are mostly free form. Therefore, it makes sense that there would be an occasion song that was copyrighted later even though it might appear on a jazz record
TheLookAndFeelMUSIC
According to the Audio Technica site that turntable is worth $779 new.
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
Oh that's cool.
seldombeaton
I don't understand the reference
uden10
It sounds similar to the Super Mario Bros 1 Underground Theme. Nonzero chance it was the inspiration
fsharpminor3s
Bass lines are not copyrightable.
vissago
fuckin what
keyblader1985
I mean, bass guitar beats aren't new. But neither is video game music being inspired by other music, like Ice Cap/Hard Times, or the Super Mario World theme/Green Green.
LooseyGooseyBrett
It's similar, but I think it's different enough
Taalii
It js surprisingly common. Start with this, https://youtu.be/GLlxSJO9kKk?si=o_2cqtrrzx6KOWbz it shows some examples, then the other videos in the series, and have fun messing with folks.
lildude52ca
am i the only one who isnt hearing what i'm supposed to be hearing?
Tenookey
The music in the underground levels in Super Mario bros resembles the bass line here
https://youtu.be/c0SuIMUoShI?si=3h2lS-JjnOiIsn7F
SteveTheEgg
That's nothing Zelda was straight ripped off from Deep Purple's song April
https://youtu.be/toonXjN2wTM?si=PsJ1dZIG3ggiwXfk
Kingdugga
Good artists copy, great artists steal
Imalwaysready
Weird artists parody.
silentjay01
So you bought this record because you thought the cover art was cool, but you don't include a picture of said album cover? Let's see it.
LarvaLamp
I guess it's this... https://youtu.be/ZX5ef_KAZlY?si=f0VXKUfdyeDUrxi-
sadman13
Try "Piper - summer breeze" for star mario
Iammoney45
A lot of old video game music (especially from japan) is heavily inspired by Jazz fusion. If you go back and listen to those records you will find things like this. Koji Kondo has admitted to drawing inspiration from T-Square, and you can hear it in their "Adventures" LP from 1984 https://youtu.be/aK8RWlcjbFA?si=KVLq1weq-8WXN2uz
yetipc
Nintendo's lawyers will try to retroactively sue him for copyright violations
swtlj1217
Marooned by Pink Floyd and Aquatic Ambiance from Donkey Kong Country have similarities. At least I think so. Both came out in 1994, by the way.
pixelnator
Friendship (feat. Lee Ritenour) - Let's Not Talk About It
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX5ef_KAZlY
And someone made a chiptune cover/mashup of it and the Super Mario Underground theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeVNm9ABFFY
Zega000
As my music theory teacher said in college, "Everyone's a thief"
VonSnootingham
I always point to this David Lee Roth interview as a perfect explanation on creativity and inspiration :
VonSnootingham
Time stamp 14:55 https://youtu.be/uZ9MbWr-IOU?si=iSAjVVRiPLVzKg9z&t=895
Mokisan
Vanguard used one of Queen's Flash Gordon themes for the power-up phase. If you relate to this at all, time for your ibuprofen.
linexnewt
I used to collect arcade machines... One of my faves was a 2-player standup cocktail Vanguard. https://flyers.arcade-museum.com/flyers_video/cinematronics/38000701.jpg
Mokisan
Wow. Basement bar with one of those and a pool table...
SkyVINS
stand by my hawkmen ...... DIIIVEEE !
yourbassist
Not a lawyer but am a bass player, don't think there's enough there
TheLookAndFeelMUSIC
I'd call it copying, but not enough for full on plagiarism.
ButterfaceTaintClown
BarderBetterFasterStronger
Definitely not for a suit but it is definitely uncanny.
theraininspainfallsmainlyontheplain
Def not but stupid lawsuits do happen https://youtu.be/0ytoUuO-qvg?si=VGZBjUgWiUsDWoX-
TheRealLouzander
All the more reason to not get too excited about this one. Copyright infringement lawsuits are getting out of control.
Kiares
All I take away from that is a yearning for more bloodshed.
ThatTransformersDude
Yeah like once I was listening to these two albums back to back and imagine my surprise when my neighbor decided to sue me for scamming him out of $5000
heller8790
beez428
Loved her in The Brink (still sad about that one) and the dropped call commercial she did (Cingular?)
DeeplyBroken
In the 80s, on many weekend mornings, my wife and I would do acid and play video games all day. We'd laugh until our sides ached. Nothing but good clean fun there.
secretdpp
Spent a weekend on acid playing DnD was amazing
andwings2go
Played the re-release of Super Mario RPG on shrooms about 6 months ago. A boss battle resulted in my party turning into mushrooms and I couldn’t stop laughing for hours
theprofessorbugman
Wait.... Could this be an actual legit catch of old plagiarism????
Grinch01
But if Ou do this to Nintendo they gonna suevthe shit out of you
Vonph
Let's not talk about it
amp99
Sort of related: https://youtu.be/9k7DrIWcrdI "The use of his theme song was discontinued from Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patriots onward due to allegations that its motifs were plagiarized from a classical piece by Russian composer Georgy Sviridov." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tappi_Iwase
DianNaoChong
All of my favorite japanese things, when dug into hard enough, have some pretty blatant things stolen. Evangelion's best song is just lifted from a james bond movie score. Some of the music in metal gear solid was probably ripped off from a russian composer, etc.
LariCheltsy
No one cared when I said the 1910 Fruitgum Company released Simon Says before the Scooby-Doo show came out so probably not...
Fett2oo5
Wait till you hear about Tetris
werrywerry
The entire Doom soundtrack was ripped off too and the world is better off because of it.
W0lfsbl00d
*Looks on in Doom 1*
MarleafChef
I mean, do you guys really think he made all that money from just plumbing?
mormonbatman
It happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOeE06FUZL4
geraldorgerald
Ass
shadowmetachu
No, no, that’s a legitimate example. Go click TacticalSpoon’s link, it’s one of the examples shown there.
SadsPikkelson
To be fair, you have to take our literally everything but the bass, and even then it's only, like, a 4 chord progression. Might as well accuse every 4-bar blues player of plagiarism.
Corrodias
Hell, I hear three notes. Three notes does not make a song.
crazyspelling
I think a four chord progression and a key change is how they got the Ghostbuster's theme song into court and won.
jimicus
There's only so many combinations of chords that exist, and the world's record labels have quite a big enough back catalogue that it's mathematically impossible to write something that's 100% guaranteed original.
crazyspelling
110%.
Imalwaysready
Now it's called "sampling" and that makes it OK.
cruncheeSocks
Well, yes - as if released, the original artist will get royalties...
DagothWit
Well, the artists being sampled get paid. That's the difference.
Imalwaysready
*Sometimes
In the U.S., that wasn't necessarily the case (or settled, explicit law), until the early 90s. And it has since been ruled that de minimis use does not violate copyright law or require licensing. Plus, a sample that has been modified to not be instantly recognizable may pass copyright muster, too.
LarvaLamp
The "Amen Break" has entered the chat.
raminagrobis
It's not the only music plagiarised in Mario. https://youtu.be/tAaGK">XVvM?t=4">https://youtu.be/tAaGKo4XVvM?t=4 https://youtu.be/PfxgbsXeTdE?t=9
saucenes5
pretty sure green greens is a Kirby level, not mario
TheLookAndFeelMUSIC
I'd say very close, even inspired by, but not quite plagiarism.
VonSnootingham
More about that particular one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8SNbCDXgaQ
Thanshin
Dr Mario was a Beatles cover.
pareidoliaperson
I don't hear it...?
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nevets767
Mario world, more specifically
BoatToRecovery
Double the speed of the old song.
TacticalSpoon
Old video game music was more than happy to plagiarize the crap out of mainstream music. Sometimes its super blatant, sometimes its just an extremely on the nose homage, but it was rampant. You can find countless examples on youtube. https://youtu.be/GLlxSJO9kKk
pareidoliaperson
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JohnnyLawlessEsq
Doom's "E1M1" draws HEAVILY on Metallica's "No Remorse."
srsfaceI8C
Lots of Doom music was heavily inspired by metal from the 90s.
• e1m4 is pretty identical to "Rise" by Pantera
• e2m9 is also a Pantera song, similar to "Mouths of War"
• e3m3 is Slayer's "Behind the Crooked Cross"
• Doom 2 map01 is basically Hangar 18 by Megadeth
• map23 is pretty much a direct rip of "Them Bones" by Alice in Chains
These are just a few examples. Blatantly ripped or paid homage to the metal/alt rock of the time.
VonSnootingham
The king of all "Hey, this sounds like that one song", Elec Man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB2GYewPXY0
williamtowel
Even worse of the old original songs that didn't plagiarize a massive chunk were women who were not even allowed to be credited.
thedudeman519
For some reason Ryus theme makes me think of Gloria Estefan
unluckyandbored
Ehh...I'm not really hearing it...
theprofessorbugman
Isn't it they Japan's culture around copying is/was much more relaxed than Europe/USA?
JaceTiger
Was at one time, maybe. But Japan doesn't have Fair Use like the US does. A lot of parodies/homages are sued beyond recognition by Nintendo.
ProfFurryPaws
Rules for thee, not for me. Or pulling the ladder up behind them. It's okay when they're the underdog, but now they're rich and have to protect their fortune.
JaceTiger
Nintendo was not the underdog. They had (and might still have) connections to the Yakuza, and have existed since 1889. They made playing cards, owned a taxi service, and had love hotels.
Their history is spicier than many think.
Syovere
"wait it's not okay when you do it" - ninty
Hulser
Do we know that Nintendo didn’t give proper credit?
fishboy81
koji kondo wrote the music for super mario, the legend of zelda and has basically been the director for every major in-house nintendo game to this day, including tears of the kingdom
Hulser
OK, but…do we know that Nintendo didn’t give proper credit?
fishboy81
It's on his imdb but also says uncredited. Looks like it was a bit of a mix in the nes years. Some credited, some under a different name and some uncredited. but all are credited from the snes years onwards. Even the original mario song was inspired by a Japanese kids song
theprofessorbugman
Dude, back in the day NOBODY got credit on those NES games
reformedxile
like the guy that created Tetris had all profit go to the USSR
unluckyandbored
Not even the people who made them, most of the time.
suiseiseki
Hell it wasn't even until Half Life that credits for games became much of a thing. That was mostly because they had that excellent opening sequence with plenty of time to list everyone off. Before that good luck finding out things as basic as who voiced main characters.
theprofessorbugman
STAHP!!!!
SmellingMistake
Weird I seem to remember credits being on adventure games (Sierra Online, Lucasarts, etc.) before Half-Life came out. Maybe they just named the lead developer though.
suiseiseki
Lucasarts was pretty good about it. In general it was just the lead dev or even just an already-recognizable name that was tangentially related to the project. Even today a lot of VFX and smaller roles will go uncredited.
Jaggededges113
You right. Many even used Fake Names.
unluckyandbored
They did that so other companies wouldn't poach talent.
fishboy81
The music was written by koji kondo and he's still nintendos main music director at 65
theprofessorbugman
Weren't they GIVEN fake names?
MrSyth
Given/made to take one, so they wouldn't get poached by other game studios
Jaggededges113
You're probably right, but I bet some of them went with it and made some up.