Jul 15, 2021 3:18 AM
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lewdev
OP must publicly apologize to Taiwan for calling West Taiwan an independent country.
libaf
Source?
Qwah
https://www.opindia.com/2021/07/china-threatens-to-nuke-japan-non-stop-if-it-tries-to-defend-taiwan/
NudistGhost
All I need now is an invasion of Alaska and Fallout becomes nonfiction
SpartaWolf117
free west taiwan
opentangent
Mainland Taiwan
samanthadlcruz
The legitimate government of China is currently in Taiwan. Free the rest of China from the assholes running the fake China government.
MrRemakes
Kick out the Communist bandits.
The CCP are ironically not communist, not even close
I was referencing a term the Nationalists used for the Communist revolutionaries.
Kythulhu13
What a lovely reminder that there are enough nuclear warheads to destroy the world multiple times. And crackpots control them.
DionysianMask
Fucking psychopaths
IveGotRedOnMe
I'll psychopath right back and wish for the slow, violently painful demise of every CCP member and supporter ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DavidJackel
It's all propaganda I think, for domestic consumption. And given all that Japan did to China, it's probably easy for ppl to buy into it.
TerrenceMorgan
China? Yes
forResearchPurposesOnly
Right?! What kind of insane country would nuke Japan?
ItsBobBelcher
Lol, whoopsie!
tonalstates
They're doing it for revenge of things that happened almost 100 years ago.
Groetgaffel
They're early, it's not 2077 yet.
getguds
what's the source of this audio? is it a government announcement or a mental case podcast from a basement?
JohnPtempkinReborn
yes
elucca
Seems to be something in between. Someone made it, and a local Communist Party branch shared it.
hiromagic
Don’t be fooled, they are paper tiger. This is an low budget propaganda attempting to threaten nearby nations. An old trick of CCP.
serle
What do you mean by propaganda?
PicassoCT
Still loving the chinese people.. hope you be free one day and not sink back into North Korean Mao Shit..
BoingBoingBoingBoingBoing
Farinhadefigo
China government*. The people is not asshoe.
GiftedGoldfish
China hasnt even retaliated for The Rape of Nanking
DukeDarkwood
They specifically mention it in this, just not by name. They say their "Japan exception" will be retaliation for "current and past" attacks.
BioGoji1989
Uh-huh... yeah, the US has bases in Okinawa ready to intervene in just such an event. Your threats are empty, West Taiwan.
LesPaulStewart
Yep, the US is obligated to defend Japan (Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security). There are over 80 US military US facilities in Japan
Those are ground forces. The carrier forward deployed in Yokosuka would be the more logical weaponry to use
InvolentaryYoga
Well, actually misawa airbase has japanese and us jets and the like. Its there specifically if someone tries something
HahaA10GoBrrrr
I mean, it’s a Marine division plus air wing along with whatever the Air Force has. The running joke is that the next war in the Pacific wil
be fought on III MEF’s ashes.
Filanwizard
I would say more importantly the base in Japan means China cannot risk this. USAF would have to assume an inbound missile has its name on it
And would inform the president of an inbound nuclear attack on US and Allied assets, Likely SSBNs authorized to go hot and well shitstorm
SteveMcCroskey
How about a nice game of chess?
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
I wouldn't be surprised if there's one or two SSBN cruising in that area as well.
ShamaOA
Fuck the CCP, but is there any evidence that this is an official CCP production? The watermark is for a Falun Gong youtube with <2k subs.
TheArrestingAbhorrentArrantAbominableAlliterator
How are we to know it's Falun Gong unless there's a nerdy white guy telling us to subscribe to Epoch Times before it???
SelloxSmuggler
This is old news! 2017 . Did i miss something?
jax523
Just missed the jingoistic, sinophobic side of imgur...
InTangier
To be fair, China hardly helps.
Sure, but it takes scrolling through 40 comments ranging from "fuck china" to "nukem" to find a cooler head
parabolic000
Honestly, I doubt they'd be able to take Taiwan without rendering said conquest meaningful. A military larger than Australia's, most--
adults have had mandatory military service, and it's a very mountainous, very forested country. Not to mention a ground invasion of a--
maritime island nation where most people hate you? Ain't happening.
Muzzledreaper
Exactly, well said. No one is invading them, it's just not happening lol.
abarukajou
Their message is really we must nuke them multiple times for the sake of peace
zubax
Japan has been through a lot of shit not to kamikaze chinese cities.
What The hell are you talking about?
This feels very propaganda if the videos are real, No way China is dumb enough to think the USA isnt sitting off their coast with SSBNs
And the US has an air base in Japan, If they hit that even as collateral the US would respond. Heck I bet we have non nuclear plans 2/
Attaroo
The days we can beat China in a conventional war in the far east are probably over. But nukes? One SSBN sends up 24 MIRV'd missiles,
between 72 to 192 cities disappear from the face of the Earth, depending on how they are kitted out.
using B2s to rapidly cripple their ability to wage war in short order. Or B2s packed full of nukes.
UsernameDoesNotCheckOutAtAll
Ok, ok. Hear me out. B2s, packed with..... B2s!
BenderBenderBender
This made me chuckle. Thank you, I needed that.
hysteriacarrot
Anybody got some sauce?
JoschiGray
This
StainlessEel
A little more info: https://www.opindia.com/2021/07/china-threatens-to-nuke-japan-non-stop-if-it-tries-to-defend-taiwan/
Not that I don't believe this, I just love me some sauce.
ThisUsernameIsTaken123
BeerFueledAdventurer
Well according to this is was uploaded on a "Chinese Military channel" on the "Xingua...[Chinese] video-sharing platform" but now removed 1/
https://www.newsweek.com/china-officials-share-viral-video-calling-atomic-bombing-japan-exception-theory-1609586 ...seems unofficial /2
MasterWo1f
Yeah, it just seems like a conservatard getting upset, at what the Japanese Prime minister said a few days ago.
According to the article, it was posted by the “Baoji Municipal Committee of the Communist Party of China”. Hardly someone with enough 2/
Bystandr
Its from three years ago.. zzz
dashriproc1
China is definitely attacking Taiwan. So sick and tired of "once in a lifetime" events. Can't global leaders just chill for like a year?
southpawsforeffect
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was...
History never takes breaks, and a large part of the rising frequency of such events is partly due to instant information access.
mormacil
China's best opportunity is 2024. Possible GOP win, US unrest regardless who wins. Gives then 3 years to learn all the new gadgets they 1/2
bought, should prevent Taiwan from fixing their own instability as that probably takes a few more years... 2/2
micicle
...waitwut. I need source for this posts title
Also I thought that Taiwan was china according to the CCP, why would they need to start nuclear war to retain their own territory? /s
They have the best hunny silly
WhistlinDickC
When did Gandhi take over China???
Navrodel
Is it just me, or does this look like propaganda straight out of the Vietnam war era?
finallythisisnottaken10
I wonder what the source of this is? There are a few dodgy looking google matches.
I shared the links, but it looks like they are from far right news sites. I think this is bs.
eatyourmeat
Must have burned all their history books. They should know better than consider messing with Japan
No they know, they also know how to defeat enemies economically
EuphCat
Well, they did kinda burn their history books when the Cultural Revolution happened, so I'll give you that
nop666
lolwut? Read some history, bud.
n1ghtcrawl3r
China has pushed back Japans every attempt to take land. Maybe pick up a history book yourself? Ps: I don't like CCP, but I like facts.
newKnew
Ackchyually…
hotaru251
China fears Japan due to their past. When Japan changed law to fight in non japanese land they were agaisnt it due again to the past.
Japan's dominating chinese in the past is WHY china and Japan have never been friends since.
ProgeriaProstitutes
If you liked facts you'd know that China has failed every time they tried to take the Japanese mainland too.
TheLazyLibrarian
Um... are you sure you aren't confusing China with Taiwan? Bc it was KMT that fought Japan in WW2, not CCP.
Nope. History goes further back than ww2. China and Japan has basically been enemies since after the mongols raided china and the rest of 1/
Ghalagor
the south east asian region.
vcgetdown
Ccp fought Japan alongside kmt, don't tell people to read history
daileyrt
Actually it was US supplies that saved China, multiple times. Same with Russia in wwII. Open a book.
CakeTastesLikePain
It's hard to call it China at that point, that region had several countries before ww2. Shanxi, Nat China, commi China, yunnan, siam, xibei
Opens Chinese history book…
dohcohv
First sino-japanese war, China also fails miserably every time despite outnumbering Japan.
manbearpiglet2
There are so many considerations to take into account other than exceptionalism on either side. China was at war Internally already 1/2
China is asshole, but Japanese are not inherently better fighters, just more industrial/mobilized/unified of purpose. Now is totally dfrnt
Referring to Japan back then, not now obviously as they have very little military at all by design
KarateCanine
Very little military currently? The JDF is 300k strong and have very modern weapons. And are funded by 50B a year. For comparison, Taiwan 1/
IAmCooCooCaChoo
China likes to talk a lot and do nothing in the end.
Insomnia297
They have a long history of losing armed conflicts. I doubt this would be any different.
spazzygc
Have you followed the news over the last 2 years? I think they have done quite a bit of damage already.
WeaponizedJerk
That is decidedly not true. Just take a look at their treatment of Uighur people or Hong Kong. Or does it not count since it’s not you?
killerjerick
Kind of like Russia or North Korea in that regard, all theatrics.
Iamyourcaptainnow
Um, Russia annexed successfully Crimea. That's not talk, that's action.
Right, I’m talking about taking on major superpowers, that kind of talk
DavidHoag
They operate differently in the 21st century than they have in the past. Economic invasion such as legal land acquisition, sanctuary...
ploys, foreign corporate ownership (though just about every country does this), information barriers (old and new), and their oldest trick..
...not giving a fuck what any other country says, holding gargantuan debt, simply BEING a massively populous nation earning economic clout
and of course intellectual theft, espionage, reverse engineering, and ignoring all international laws.
KleptoKea
They've done a lot. They even crippled Australia's wine industry as revenge for the the fact Australia simply pushed for an 1/
investigation into how Covid came to be and how it spread. The CCP is so insanely thin-skinned about anything that could paint 2/
them in even a remotely bad way, and they are trying to censor the world the way they censor their own people. 3/3
fpro
fuck the CCP, they are bluffing because they KNOW what happens when they launch just one single nuke
Gurkenherr
DO tehy tho... i mean have we taking a look onto the competence of leaders these days
ThatDarnLobster
It’s just propaganda to shift civilians sentiment in Japan and not look weak to Chinese civilians.
prettydumb
you dont understand the dymanics of that region and japan. even Taiwan will be nodding to the fuck outta this
mmiigg
We don't even know what kind of weaponry they have.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Nukes. Just like every other nuclear power. Except their stockpile is more in line with the French or Nritish stockpile
MyCommentsUsuallyHaveTypos
They'll get bombed back to the stone age by everyone else.
D0MiN8R
The world's population quickly approaches zero?
sha13
Trump also threatened the use of nukes. This is just propaganda.
REOJackwagon
I dont think we can realistically know what the response will or won't be. Its very likely countries would make some noise about sanctions.
craycray606
I think Americans are over confident about their chances in winning. China has prob already hacked the codes necessary to launch.
cepacolusmaximus
Everybody on the planet gets to die?
ShieldAnvil1
No need to worry about global warming in the hell storm of nuclear winter.
Nuclear winter is an outmodded prediction that wouldn't actually happen.
and Hell Storms aren't real.
Notch8
Welcome to the world’s largest glass bottomed, self lit parking lot
kaihp
Back in 1958, China tried to bomb Kinmen into submission (it's 3 miles from the mainland). The Taiwanese soldiers called HQ and bunkered 1/
down for 24hours while the shell rained on the island. Suddenly. the bombardment stopped. I wouldn't be surprised if the calls went like 2/
Kinmen > Taipei > Washington > Beijing. Last call was this long: "Stop that *click*"
SirSexcellence
I sat in the tanks that are still there. Used to be called the Pescadores. Nice beach. Even had a Starbucks.
DC would be confused and by the time they woke up Taipei would be flying the CCP flag unfortunately. America isn’t going to defend Taiwan
LEJ316
Nobody does anything because the west needs their slave labour?
nobody does anything because they don't want war with China
snoozer
Propaganda isn’t military action. China doesn’t war against the US either.
It's fine, the west still has India, Taiwan, many African countries and many South American countries.
China owns Africa.
China is outsourcing its cheapest labor too and Taiwan isn’t a sweatshop country.
Blanxmarx
We need slave labor. It doesn’t have to be THEIR slave labor.
SpicyPeanuts27
We keep getting further behind inflation we won't have to look too far for it.
We don't need slave labor. We were doing just fine without it from emancipation till about the 1980s.
Excludos
Replace "we" with "rich people", and it's correct
Have you ever bought electronics made at a Foxconn factory? What about clothes made with Chinese cotton? We all use slave made products.
SeRaQt
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floorlava
I like how no one nukes the US but they fire ze missiles anyway
quartershadow
A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
SpikeSpiegeil
Nuclear deterrence theory.
CaptainThePirate
One of the Russia nukes just goes and fucks up the ocean for no reason.
Where
BigStacksThrowItOnThemBigFatTatties
what did africa do to get nuked ?
CaldariBob
They know what they did!
Rongeong
The world has run on mutually assured destruction for a long time. The problem will be if someone thinks they can cheat that system and fire
RednapxpandeR
This exactly. It’s the mindset of the law doesn’t apply to me because I’m special in some way.
DamagedDingo
They will claim it was American malware
rockhydra
And it will probably be the Russians. Or someone who hit a fake download button for henati in some basement in peioria.
TimTheEnchanter01
Sure but we’ll all be doing all of our claiming huddled around a fire in the afterglow.
America is not going to defend Taiwan. It will sit back and let China take it. America is now a tired, old, weakling nation too busy dealing
With which pronouns to use or which restroom people can use. Paying off Russian hackers in BTC and drowning in debt, printing trillions.
illogical06
We do not have a weak military. But there is nothing to gain financially and a lot to lose. Our government doesn't care.
We aren’t up to China’s level anymore. The US doesn’t have the appetite for another war let alone one with our biggest trading partner.
Fuck around and find out
Americans are full of dreamers stuck in the past. 10-20 yrs ago it had a good chance at winning vs China. Today? Not a chance. US would die.
PinkyTheUnicorn2
I am concerned that, like Russia with Crimea/Ukraine, a country gambles that the rest of the world won't risk global nuclear annihilation.
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
And they might be right... And they might not...
Spaceqowboy
Russia knew that Nato nor anyone else would wage nucleair war over Crimea. And the war in Donbas is a war to prevent Ukraine joining EU/Nato
Which is understandble. Nato/Eu promised to not expand eastward, yet they did.
You're misinformed: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/
TrueNorthernLights
Wrong. While I agree they're bluffing, this has to be handled very carefully, the same as the Cuban Missile Crisis. If China falls, it (1
- will crush a lot of the global economy as it goes.
Good, crush the economy
NKato
I'm quite fine with this. It just means most corporations will be forced to put more of their profits towards paying workers.
Won't happen.
PandaGunit
Just like how the pandemic only hurt rich corporations and not the people employed or consumers /s/
IBelieveMrPuckett
That’s not how that works. You do really understand this, right???
I would like to see a living wage as much as anyone, but I don't quite think you fully comprehend just what a global economic crash will DO.
tinydog
"Welcome to the East Asia Glass Factory."
fudgex
Welcome to earth
theFieldlessEngineer
Oooooohf
Ograve
00110001001001111010000110110110011
Mutually Assured Destruction?
ITradeNewds
"Come on guys, they don't have enough nukes to glass ALL of us! Everyone start firing missles at him!"
Everythingstaken0
Not really. China doesn't have enough warheads like the USSR did.Their nuclear defense strategy isn't to be able to totally destroy an enemy
icyanddicey
But who will attack it? Oceania or Eurasia?
You know we've always been at war with Eastasia.
newarkitecture
As a communist for over a decade I stand with the world against the CCP, they do not uphold the values of communism. They are a dictatorship
I agree with the stand on CCP but I don’t believe any communist regime, past or present, has ever truly upheld the core communist values
The Scandinavian countries are probably the closest to the communist ideal
No. No they are not. They are capitalist, which is inherently incompatible
The road to communism is via the free market, capitalism is a stepping stone towards a healthy societal system. I don't deny that
Well we would probably know if US, France, and UK would let them live in peace
thisisnotthegreatestusernamenothisisatribute
at large scale you are correct but there are state communisms in India that I believe have worked. But I'm too lazy to double check >>
so please someone correct me if I'm wrong.
UnrealDreamer
Has any government anywhere upheld their core values?
capitolp
Because you can't without creating a dictatorship
NaughtButOne
Any structure that involves "and now the ones with power give it to the people" is doomed to fail. Even in democracy, limits are needed.
blaghart
Not even remotely true. Look at the actual history of fascist dictators who rose to power under the banner of "socialism" or "communism" and
you'll see that the movements never were aiming for communism. Even the bolesheviks had ZERO plan of how to install a socialist government,
Exactly. Human nature isn’t communist and greed for power corrupts just as well as greed for money
I'd argue we're more communist than we think. We're social critters, but certain personalities are not, and powerful positions attract them.
lewdev
OP must publicly apologize to Taiwan for calling West Taiwan an independent country.
libaf
Source?
Qwah
https://www.opindia.com/2021/07/china-threatens-to-nuke-japan-non-stop-if-it-tries-to-defend-taiwan/
NudistGhost
All I need now is an invasion of Alaska and Fallout becomes nonfiction
SpartaWolf117
free west taiwan
opentangent
Mainland Taiwan
samanthadlcruz
The legitimate government of China is currently in Taiwan. Free the rest of China from the assholes running the fake China government.
MrRemakes
Kick out the Communist bandits.
opentangent
The CCP are ironically not communist, not even close
MrRemakes
I was referencing a term the Nationalists used for the Communist revolutionaries.
Kythulhu13
What a lovely reminder that there are enough nuclear warheads to destroy the world multiple times. And crackpots control them.
DionysianMask
Fucking psychopaths
IveGotRedOnMe
I'll psychopath right back and wish for the slow, violently painful demise of every CCP member and supporter ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DavidJackel
It's all propaganda I think, for domestic consumption. And given all that Japan did to China, it's probably easy for ppl to buy into it.
TerrenceMorgan
China? Yes
forResearchPurposesOnly
Right?! What kind of insane country would nuke Japan?
ItsBobBelcher
Lol, whoopsie!
tonalstates
DionysianMask
They're doing it for revenge of things that happened almost 100 years ago.
Groetgaffel
They're early, it's not 2077 yet.
getguds
what's the source of this audio? is it a government announcement or a mental case podcast from a basement?
JohnPtempkinReborn
yes
elucca
Seems to be something in between. Someone made it, and a local Communist Party branch shared it.
hiromagic
Don’t be fooled, they are paper tiger. This is an low budget propaganda attempting to threaten nearby nations. An old trick of CCP.
serle
What do you mean by propaganda?
PicassoCT
Still loving the chinese people.. hope you be free one day and not sink back into North Korean Mao Shit..
BoingBoingBoingBoingBoing
Farinhadefigo
China government*. The people is not asshoe.
GiftedGoldfish
China hasnt even retaliated for The Rape of Nanking
DukeDarkwood
They specifically mention it in this, just not by name. They say their "Japan exception" will be retaliation for "current and past" attacks.
BioGoji1989
Uh-huh... yeah, the US has bases in Okinawa ready to intervene in just such an event. Your threats are empty, West Taiwan.
LesPaulStewart
Yep, the US is obligated to defend Japan (Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security). There are over 80 US military US facilities in Japan
GiftedGoldfish
Those are ground forces. The carrier forward deployed in Yokosuka would be the more logical weaponry to use
InvolentaryYoga
Well, actually misawa airbase has japanese and us jets and the like. Its there specifically if someone tries something
HahaA10GoBrrrr
I mean, it’s a Marine division plus air wing along with whatever the Air Force has. The running joke is that the next war in the Pacific wil
HahaA10GoBrrrr
be fought on III MEF’s ashes.
Filanwizard
I would say more importantly the base in Japan means China cannot risk this. USAF would have to assume an inbound missile has its name on it
Filanwizard
And would inform the president of an inbound nuclear attack on US and Allied assets, Likely SSBNs authorized to go hot and well shitstorm
Filanwizard
SteveMcCroskey
How about a nice game of chess?
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
I wouldn't be surprised if there's one or two SSBN cruising in that area as well.
ShamaOA
Fuck the CCP, but is there any evidence that this is an official CCP production? The watermark is for a Falun Gong youtube with <2k subs.
TheArrestingAbhorrentArrantAbominableAlliterator
How are we to know it's Falun Gong unless there's a nerdy white guy telling us to subscribe to Epoch Times before it???
SelloxSmuggler
This is old news! 2017 . Did i miss something?
jax523
Just missed the jingoistic, sinophobic side of imgur...
InTangier
To be fair, China hardly helps.
jax523
Sure, but it takes scrolling through 40 comments ranging from "fuck china" to "nukem" to find a cooler head
parabolic000
Honestly, I doubt they'd be able to take Taiwan without rendering said conquest meaningful. A military larger than Australia's, most--
parabolic000
adults have had mandatory military service, and it's a very mountainous, very forested country. Not to mention a ground invasion of a--
parabolic000
maritime island nation where most people hate you? Ain't happening.
Muzzledreaper
Exactly, well said. No one is invading them, it's just not happening lol.
abarukajou
Their message is really we must nuke them multiple times for the sake of peace
zubax
Japan has been through a lot of shit not to kamikaze chinese cities.
serle
What The hell are you talking about?
Filanwizard
This feels very propaganda if the videos are real, No way China is dumb enough to think the USA isnt sitting off their coast with SSBNs
Filanwizard
And the US has an air base in Japan, If they hit that even as collateral the US would respond. Heck I bet we have non nuclear plans 2/
Attaroo
The days we can beat China in a conventional war in the far east are probably over. But nukes? One SSBN sends up 24 MIRV'd missiles,
Attaroo
between 72 to 192 cities disappear from the face of the Earth, depending on how they are kitted out.
Filanwizard
using B2s to rapidly cripple their ability to wage war in short order. Or B2s packed full of nukes.
UsernameDoesNotCheckOutAtAll
Ok, ok. Hear me out. B2s, packed with..... B2s!
BenderBenderBender
This made me chuckle. Thank you, I needed that.
UsernameDoesNotCheckOutAtAll
hysteriacarrot
Anybody got some sauce?
JoschiGray
This
StainlessEel
A little more info: https://www.opindia.com/2021/07/china-threatens-to-nuke-japan-non-stop-if-it-tries-to-defend-taiwan/
hysteriacarrot
Not that I don't believe this, I just love me some sauce.
ThisUsernameIsTaken123
BeerFueledAdventurer
Well according to this is was uploaded on a "Chinese Military channel" on the "Xingua...[Chinese] video-sharing platform" but now removed 1/
BeerFueledAdventurer
https://www.newsweek.com/china-officials-share-viral-video-calling-atomic-bombing-japan-exception-theory-1609586 ...seems unofficial /2
MasterWo1f
Yeah, it just seems like a conservatard getting upset, at what the Japanese Prime minister said a few days ago.
MasterWo1f
According to the article, it was posted by the “Baoji Municipal Committee of the Communist Party of China”. Hardly someone with enough 2/
Bystandr
Its from three years ago.. zzz
dashriproc1
China is definitely attacking Taiwan. So sick and tired of "once in a lifetime" events. Can't global leaders just chill for like a year?
southpawsforeffect
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was...
DukeDarkwood
History never takes breaks, and a large part of the rising frequency of such events is partly due to instant information access.
mormacil
China's best opportunity is 2024. Possible GOP win, US unrest regardless who wins. Gives then 3 years to learn all the new gadgets they 1/2
mormacil
bought, should prevent Taiwan from fixing their own instability as that probably takes a few more years... 2/2
micicle
...waitwut. I need source for this posts title
micicle
Also I thought that Taiwan was china according to the CCP, why would they need to start nuclear war to retain their own territory? /s
UsernameDoesNotCheckOutAtAll
They have the best hunny silly
WhistlinDickC
When did Gandhi take over China???
Navrodel
Is it just me, or does this look like propaganda straight out of the Vietnam war era?
finallythisisnottaken10
I wonder what the source of this is? There are a few dodgy looking google matches.
finallythisisnottaken10
I shared the links, but it looks like they are from far right news sites. I think this is bs.
eatyourmeat
Must have burned all their history books. They should know better than consider messing with Japan
TerrenceMorgan
No they know, they also know how to defeat enemies economically
EuphCat
Well, they did kinda burn their history books when the Cultural Revolution happened, so I'll give you that
nop666
lolwut? Read some history, bud.
n1ghtcrawl3r
China has pushed back Japans every attempt to take land. Maybe pick up a history book yourself? Ps: I don't like CCP, but I like facts.
newKnew
Ackchyually…
hotaru251
China fears Japan due to their past. When Japan changed law to fight in non japanese land they were agaisnt it due again to the past.
hotaru251
Japan's dominating chinese in the past is WHY china and Japan have never been friends since.
ProgeriaProstitutes
If you liked facts you'd know that China has failed every time they tried to take the Japanese mainland too.
TheLazyLibrarian
Um... are you sure you aren't confusing China with Taiwan? Bc it was KMT that fought Japan in WW2, not CCP.
n1ghtcrawl3r
Nope. History goes further back than ww2. China and Japan has basically been enemies since after the mongols raided china and the rest of 1/
Ghalagor
n1ghtcrawl3r
the south east asian region.
vcgetdown
Ccp fought Japan alongside kmt, don't tell people to read history
daileyrt
Actually it was US supplies that saved China, multiple times. Same with Russia in wwII. Open a book.
CakeTastesLikePain
It's hard to call it China at that point, that region had several countries before ww2. Shanxi, Nat China, commi China, yunnan, siam, xibei
newKnew
Opens Chinese history book…
dohcohv
First sino-japanese war, China also fails miserably every time despite outnumbering Japan.
manbearpiglet2
There are so many considerations to take into account other than exceptionalism on either side. China was at war Internally already 1/2
manbearpiglet2
China is asshole, but Japanese are not inherently better fighters, just more industrial/mobilized/unified of purpose. Now is totally dfrnt
manbearpiglet2
Referring to Japan back then, not now obviously as they have very little military at all by design
KarateCanine
Very little military currently? The JDF is 300k strong and have very modern weapons. And are funded by 50B a year. For comparison, Taiwan 1/
IAmCooCooCaChoo
China likes to talk a lot and do nothing in the end.
Insomnia297
They have a long history of losing armed conflicts. I doubt this would be any different.
spazzygc
Have you followed the news over the last 2 years? I think they have done quite a bit of damage already.
WeaponizedJerk
That is decidedly not true. Just take a look at their treatment of Uighur people or Hong Kong. Or does it not count since it’s not you?
killerjerick
Kind of like Russia or North Korea in that regard, all theatrics.
Iamyourcaptainnow
Um, Russia annexed successfully Crimea. That's not talk, that's action.
killerjerick
Right, I’m talking about taking on major superpowers, that kind of talk
DavidHoag
They operate differently in the 21st century than they have in the past. Economic invasion such as legal land acquisition, sanctuary...
DavidHoag
ploys, foreign corporate ownership (though just about every country does this), information barriers (old and new), and their oldest trick..
DavidHoag
...not giving a fuck what any other country says, holding gargantuan debt, simply BEING a massively populous nation earning economic clout
DavidHoag
and of course intellectual theft, espionage, reverse engineering, and ignoring all international laws.
KleptoKea
They've done a lot. They even crippled Australia's wine industry as revenge for the the fact Australia simply pushed for an 1/
KleptoKea
investigation into how Covid came to be and how it spread. The CCP is so insanely thin-skinned about anything that could paint 2/
KleptoKea
them in even a remotely bad way, and they are trying to censor the world the way they censor their own people. 3/3
fpro
fuck the CCP, they are bluffing because they KNOW what happens when they launch just one single nuke
Gurkenherr
DO tehy tho... i mean have we taking a look onto the competence of leaders these days
ThatDarnLobster
It’s just propaganda to shift civilians sentiment in Japan and not look weak to Chinese civilians.
prettydumb
you dont understand the dymanics of that region and japan. even Taiwan will be nodding to the fuck outta this
mmiigg
We don't even know what kind of weaponry they have.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Nukes. Just like every other nuclear power. Except their stockpile is more in line with the French or Nritish stockpile
MyCommentsUsuallyHaveTypos
They'll get bombed back to the stone age by everyone else.
D0MiN8R
The world's population quickly approaches zero?
sha13
Trump also threatened the use of nukes. This is just propaganda.
REOJackwagon
I dont think we can realistically know what the response will or won't be. Its very likely countries would make some noise about sanctions.
craycray606
I think Americans are over confident about their chances in winning. China has prob already hacked the codes necessary to launch.
cepacolusmaximus
Everybody on the planet gets to die?
ShieldAnvil1
No need to worry about global warming in the hell storm of nuclear winter.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Nuclear winter is an outmodded prediction that wouldn't actually happen.
ShieldAnvil1
and Hell Storms aren't real.
Notch8
Welcome to the world’s largest glass bottomed, self lit parking lot
kaihp
Back in 1958, China tried to bomb Kinmen into submission (it's 3 miles from the mainland). The Taiwanese soldiers called HQ and bunkered 1/
kaihp
down for 24hours while the shell rained on the island. Suddenly. the bombardment stopped. I wouldn't be surprised if the calls went like 2/
kaihp
Kinmen > Taipei > Washington > Beijing. Last call was this long: "Stop that *click*"
SirSexcellence
I sat in the tanks that are still there. Used to be called the Pescadores. Nice beach. Even had a Starbucks.
craycray606
DC would be confused and by the time they woke up Taipei would be flying the CCP flag unfortunately. America isn’t going to defend Taiwan
LEJ316
Nobody does anything because the west needs their slave labour?
ProgeriaProstitutes
nobody does anything because they don't want war with China
snoozer
Propaganda isn’t military action. China doesn’t war against the US either.
killerjerick
It's fine, the west still has India, Taiwan, many African countries and many South American countries.
mmiigg
China owns Africa.
snoozer
China is outsourcing its cheapest labor too and Taiwan isn’t a sweatshop country.
Blanxmarx
We need slave labor. It doesn’t have to be THEIR slave labor.
SpicyPeanuts27
We keep getting further behind inflation we won't have to look too far for it.
MrRemakes
We don't need slave labor. We were doing just fine without it from emancipation till about the 1980s.
Excludos
Replace "we" with "rich people", and it's correct
MrRemakes
Have you ever bought electronics made at a Foxconn factory? What about clothes made with Chinese cotton? We all use slave made products.
SeRaQt
floorlava
I like how no one nukes the US but they fire ze missiles anyway
quartershadow
A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
SpikeSpiegeil
Nuclear deterrence theory.
CaptainThePirate
One of the Russia nukes just goes and fucks up the ocean for no reason.
sha13
Where
BigStacksThrowItOnThemBigFatTatties
what did africa do to get nuked ?
CaldariBob
They know what they did!
Rongeong
The world has run on mutually assured destruction for a long time. The problem will be if someone thinks they can cheat that system and fire
RednapxpandeR
This exactly. It’s the mindset of the law doesn’t apply to me because I’m special in some way.
DamagedDingo
They will claim it was American malware
rockhydra
And it will probably be the Russians. Or someone who hit a fake download button for henati in some basement in peioria.
TimTheEnchanter01
Sure but we’ll all be doing all of our claiming huddled around a fire in the afterglow.
craycray606
America is not going to defend Taiwan. It will sit back and let China take it. America is now a tired, old, weakling nation too busy dealing
craycray606
With which pronouns to use or which restroom people can use. Paying off Russian hackers in BTC and drowning in debt, printing trillions.
illogical06
We do not have a weak military. But there is nothing to gain financially and a lot to lose. Our government doesn't care.
craycray606
We aren’t up to China’s level anymore. The US doesn’t have the appetite for another war let alone one with our biggest trading partner.
Notch8
Fuck around and find out
craycray606
Americans are full of dreamers stuck in the past. 10-20 yrs ago it had a good chance at winning vs China. Today? Not a chance. US would die.
PinkyTheUnicorn2
I am concerned that, like Russia with Crimea/Ukraine, a country gambles that the rest of the world won't risk global nuclear annihilation.
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
And they might be right... And they might not...
Spaceqowboy
Russia knew that Nato nor anyone else would wage nucleair war over Crimea. And the war in Donbas is a war to prevent Ukraine joining EU/Nato
Spaceqowboy
Which is understandble. Nato/Eu promised to not expand eastward, yet they did.
PinkyTheUnicorn2
You're misinformed: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/
TrueNorthernLights
Wrong. While I agree they're bluffing, this has to be handled very carefully, the same as the Cuban Missile Crisis. If China falls, it (1
TrueNorthernLights
- will crush a lot of the global economy as it goes.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Good, crush the economy
NKato
I'm quite fine with this. It just means most corporations will be forced to put more of their profits towards paying workers.
TrueNorthernLights
Won't happen.
PandaGunit
Just like how the pandemic only hurt rich corporations and not the people employed or consumers /s/
IBelieveMrPuckett
That’s not how that works. You do really understand this, right???
DukeDarkwood
I would like to see a living wage as much as anyone, but I don't quite think you fully comprehend just what a global economic crash will DO.
tinydog
"Welcome to the East Asia Glass Factory."
fudgex
Welcome to earth
theFieldlessEngineer
Oooooohf
Ograve
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Mutually Assured Destruction?
ITradeNewds
"Come on guys, they don't have enough nukes to glass ALL of us! Everyone start firing missles at him!"
Everythingstaken0
Not really. China doesn't have enough warheads like the USSR did.Their nuclear defense strategy isn't to be able to totally destroy an enemy
icyanddicey
But who will attack it? Oceania or Eurasia?
tinydog
You know we've always been at war with Eastasia.
newarkitecture
opentangent
As a communist for over a decade I stand with the world against the CCP, they do not uphold the values of communism. They are a dictatorship
snoozer
I agree with the stand on CCP but I don’t believe any communist regime, past or present, has ever truly upheld the core communist values
opentangent
The Scandinavian countries are probably the closest to the communist ideal
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
No. No they are not. They are capitalist, which is inherently incompatible
opentangent
The road to communism is via the free market, capitalism is a stepping stone towards a healthy societal system. I don't deny that
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Well we would probably know if US, France, and UK would let them live in peace
thisisnotthegreatestusernamenothisisatribute
at large scale you are correct but there are state communisms in India that I believe have worked. But I'm too lazy to double check >>
thisisnotthegreatestusernamenothisisatribute
so please someone correct me if I'm wrong.
UnrealDreamer
Has any government anywhere upheld their core values?
capitolp
Because you can't without creating a dictatorship
NaughtButOne
Any structure that involves "and now the ones with power give it to the people" is doomed to fail. Even in democracy, limits are needed.
blaghart
Not even remotely true. Look at the actual history of fascist dictators who rose to power under the banner of "socialism" or "communism" and
blaghart
you'll see that the movements never were aiming for communism. Even the bolesheviks had ZERO plan of how to install a socialist government,
snoozer
Exactly. Human nature isn’t communist and greed for power corrupts just as well as greed for money
NaughtButOne
I'd argue we're more communist than we think. We're social critters, but certain personalities are not, and powerful positions attract them.