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Pacaruru
101m people couldn't afford the time off. Were intimidated by hate groups. Had their votes discounted by overly complex restrictions Etc etc
kitjay21
Oh of only it were this easy
Hashbrown123
Start giving us candidates that care about the people.
UltimaAvalon
Apparently, according to this pie chart, I don't give a shit, and my principles don't matter
insomniac24x7
Why? The republicans are not going to accept the results if they lose pretty much form now on. The Dems are too fucking inept to do anything
thatsbadmmkay
Green needs to be involved. Blue needs elected officials that wont rely on Red winning to fundraise. Red needs to stop existing all together
DemoEvolved
What if I told you… 101million is just the number of voters the gop has managed to prevent from voting…
rokucitymayor
This aged like milk
notoriousENG
See the problem is you have a 2 party system. Add voter suppression, the electoral college, and everything else that's wrong and you barely
notoriousENG
Have a functional democracy to start with
Voxius
Then realize none of it matters because the electoral college is still a thing. But sure, we can keep pretending we're a real democracy.
N0tDave
Don’t think voting matters now. Once they erode your rights and ownership of your own body, only violence gets that right back.
eightyearplan
Hashbrown123
thr33hugeinches
For what to vote in Democrats that do nothing. We have filibusters still ffs
derthric
What would have been great if the Dems in the minority between 2016-2020 could have filibustered the judicial nominations of Trump but /1
derthric
they got rid of it for judicial nominees when they were the minority and then at unable to block Kavanaugh and Barrett, but do go on /end
postman85
Maybe the 101mil thinks democrats and republicans are are full of shit
whatsisname
Remember when Obama had the chance to codify Roe v Wade in the USC but then didn't bother to? How much did voting matter there?
IHateApostrophes
Republicans: restrict access to voting. Imgur: blames voters.
TheOlympusKing
101mil people not satisfied with any candidate
GanjalfTheGray
I think a portion of that group are people under the age of 18
Copperbrat
234 million Americans are "eligible voters". Meaning alive, citizens, of age. Of that 234 million, there are 213+ mil registered voters. >
Copperbrat
159 mil ballots were cast in the last presidential election, but not all for red or blue. Those remaining - about 81 mil - didn't bother.
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
40% wouldn't vote D or R. Time for a 3rd party.
ScyntSkunk
If they won't vote D then they vote R by default in this system. Without national ranked-choice voting no one but a Rep of Dem will ever win
ScyntSkunk
And because of the fascist slide of the Rep party, if they ever take over both houses again, there will never be another vote period.
orp0piru
First-past-the-post always ends up with 2 parties. https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo?t=1m20s
knm3
Maybe they do and both parties are trash.
InHarmsWay
In a future Cinderella movie, they should make the Prince have facial blindness just so the whole shoe thing makes sense.
BharraVon
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encrypteddecryption
Enough. It's been almost two months since decision overturning Roe was leaked, and the only new argument is childish finger-pointing. All
encrypteddecryption
² the people who voted Republican didn't even want Roe overturned. All those who voted non-Democrat or didn't vote are not your enemies, and
Cheomesh
It's been part of the party's goals since like the 80s; if they didn't want it, surely they wouldn't vote for it.
MarshmallowFluffernutterPie
So you're obviously not paying attention. All the Republicans I talked to are thrilled with the decision.
encrypteddecryption
³ blaming them in this childish manner isn't going to change a damned thing. Get organized and get to work on change. Protest, riot, or do
encrypteddecryption
⁴ whatever you can to help promote positive change. But enough of the "it's your fault" and "fuck the centrists" pout. Get real.
parkerh17
The blame first and foremost is with the elected and appointed officials that directly caused this. Secondly with their supporters that>
parkerh17
Voted them in to do these terrible things. And only tertiary blame to anyone else. I will say though that I do hope this is a wake up>
SamHodg3s
"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal"
kuhzoo
A chunk of that 101 mil are disenfranchised or actively suppressed voters. Expand mail-in voting. Expand access to voting.
alexandrukas
But that would rob the asshole who made the graph of their smug moral superiority to acknowledge that.
stockingmemes
Why aren't people automatically registered at 18? Most democracies voting is opt out not opt in.
bound4doom
That's not going to happen until the 101 mil start to give a shit.
MadnerKami
Expand available voter-representation beyond two wings of a right-wing party.
ScyntSkunk
You will be exterminated within a decade if the Rs ever get both Houses again. Especially if you're poor. Just keep that in mind if you have
ScyntSkunk
to decided between voting or keeping a job.
mippijRunner
I was about to ask if that meant eligible voters or just people.
BillHubbard
End bipartisanship. End gerrymandering. Popular vote wins.
Kodaxmax
yeh, this post has serious "just stop being poor" vibes.
quzar
The 2020 election had the most widespread access to mail-in ballots ever and it didn't make much of a dent in this. While access to mail-in>
quzar
>ballots, travel to polling places, early voting, and time off for election day are all needed, the number of people who actively choose to>
quzar
>not vote is still significantly greater than those who are prevented/discouraged/disincentivized from doing so.
thefrisbeewasgettingcloserthenithitme
Make it mandatory like in Australia. Then the only people not voting are loser libertarians who don’t register because it “doesn’t matter”
Foxplay
Also need a national voting day "holiday" so people don't have to choose between work and voting
itsthevoiceman
I still have to work holidays...
RogueFerret
Unfortunately they are going to have to make that choice if they want that other thing. Repubs call it a power grab otherwise.
KaoruVanity
Except that would change nothing. Most service jobs don't really get to observe holidays.
picklous
Solution is to make 3 or 4 days and make employers rotate days off so places like hospitals can stay open but everyone can still vote
KaoruVanity
I've always been able to vote on the Sunday before? It's already 3 or 4 days, or even more.
Hengabecka
Everyone votes on working days in the UK. Polling stations all over town, open 7am to 10pm. Takes 10 mins max. What is USA's problem??
GabbyJayYay
Also, electoral college. Easy to feel your vote doesnt matter if you live in a place that always goes blue but the place only worth 2 votes
Fasrill
Also gerrymandering, where the voting districts are literally designed to maximize votes going a certain way.
WilliamWeird
Estimated 24 million are former convicts, and don't have the right to vote neither. The system is working as intended.
UprootedGrunt
Nothing like a lifetime of punishment.
ererr
And probably close to a million, if not less, are the ones who have done actual crimes, not just some kids selling weed or something.
saevon
not only that, but they count as voters in terms of how much power the country has! So they "vote with the majority" by design.
quzar
Based on the data here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections#Turnout_statistics the number >
quzar
>of total ineligible voters who were of age was ~18m. And that number includes non-citizens, not just felon disenfranchisement. While it's >
quzar
>clearly an big problem and disproportionately impacts POC and makes justice reform harder, it's dwarfed by those who choose not to vote.
WilliamWeird
Choosing not to vote assumes that absolutely no one is working and can't afford or attain transport to a polling station, which I bet is 50%
quzar
Relatively few. In the 2020 election an estimated 257m were of Voting Age and 239m were eligible (felony or non-citizen).
quzar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections#Turnout_statistics
EdmondAlmond
Give me a third option then.
Musgofarrin
Green Party pressures the other parties to stop burning down the planet maybe?
Altanese
In a better world sure, but we don't have that. So vote for the lesser evil or else prepare for the worse one.
BatmanAndCradleRobin
Thats how you get Bidens and Trumps.
Altanese
Sorry, and how do you get whatever politician you're rooting for?
BatmanAndCradleRobin
You can't its basically built into the system. Donor class is the only one that actually gets a vote.
Altanese
So you agree? Voting third party is a waste?
EdmondAlmond
No thanks, Im sick of Bidens and Trumps
Altanese
Then you're either naive or you support Trump and are pretending otherwise.
ScyntSkunk
Which means you support Trumps by default in this system, then. Without national ranked-choice voting no one but a Rep of Dem will ever win.
ScyntSkunk
And because of the fascist slide of the Rep party, if they ever take over both houses again, there will never be another vote period.
mommart
Interesting how the majority in this case don’t want to participate in a rigged two party system
Altanese
And is that a moral stand or something? Do people who vote third party get some smug sense of moral superiority as they affect zero change?
Iaskquestionablequestions
As a western European, I feel really bad for the average American. We don't live in an utopia here, but things almost can't get worse in USA
Iaskquestionablequestions
In terms of the direction it's going, that is. It can get much worse, but it's on that road already. Sadly we have our hands full on crises
Iaskquestionablequestions
over here, and it's not like USA gov. has ever considered looking at some parts of the EU for improvement. So all we can do is watch.
Altanese
I agree. The US was the world's first modern democracy, and while other countries copied some of our ideas, none copied our 1/
Ricobe9
The system is problematic, but arguing not to participate only help republicans. Participate and bite for those who'll change it is better
mommart
There’s no argument, just a clear observation. It’s like watching a house burn, and saying “Wow, that house is completely covered in flames”
parkerh17
Well isn't that kinds a cyclical problem? Not gonna vote, system is broken -> why? Gerrymandering, EC, voter suppression, FPTP -> Ok so)
parkerh17
Why not elect ppl that will change it -> Weirdly all those ppl that say Go Vote! Also vote for shitty corporate candidates in the primaries>
parkerh17
That will do nothing to change the broken system. Like the only way you could get ppl to vote to fix a broken system is if they actually>
parkerh17
Campaign on fixing it. When's the last time one of our long time senators or house reps running for president has came out in support for>
fugue042
Not voting for one of two parties (not a real choice, btw- this or that is bs freedom) doesn't mean didn't vote. 2 party system is broken.
ScyntSkunk
Without national ranked-choice voting no one but a Rep of Dem will ever win. You don't vote D, R (fascists) will win, until we get ranked-ch
ScyntSkunk
And because of the fascist slide of the Rep party, if they ever take over both houses again, there will never be another vote period.
confanity
In a sense, sure, and yet if you refuse "on principle" to vote for whoever opposes a fascist, you're just supporting the fascists.
Illinifan88
You realize none of this would have happened if just a sliver of those people voted for Hillary in 2016, right?
nickamont
Except if 100 million people voted 3rd party, we’d be having a different discussion. So that clearly isn’t the issue.
Altanese
You are correct, voting third party is not the same as not voting, it just has exactly the same impact.
fugue042
Yea. And I hate that fact. It's what keeps us down- the game is rigged.
UnderpantsWithPockets
True, but until this is fixed (ranked choice is my preference) vote for those who is going to benefit society more. It doesn't have to be>
Ricobe9
Ranked choice won't fix it. It might prevent candidates like trump, but the issue with the 2 party system is tied to the electoral college
Evi1Gav
The electoral college is only relevant for presidential elections. Senate and House don't use it.
Ricobe9
It still has a lot of influence. The EC makes it so 'winner takes all' regarding state mandates. That results in the main influence lying
Ricobe9
Between 2 parties. As long as it's like that, most people won't vote third parties, because they feel it won't get any influence
UnderpantsWithPockets
fugue042
I don't disagree. I wish I had btr answers (the ranked idea bears merit); I just know the system is rigged as it stands.
nickamont
Agreed
BrazilianThunderPanda
I live in a hard blue state and Ill vote green or socialist workers party. Until it NEEDS me to vote blue.
UnderpantsWithPockets
As you should. That's why RCV is so good. You can vote with your conscience and if that doesn't work out, vote for the next best thing
UnderpantsWithPockets
Changing the voting process to RCV will enable 3+ parties as people will feel like they're not "throwing their vote away" voting green/indep
Nytr013
The green does give a shit. Stop voting team sports
Copperbrat
Yes, please stop voting until there are no teams and no voting left. That's the best plan. /s
confanity
So your claim is "they give a shit, yet do absolutely nothing to stop the bad guys from taking power"??
eetsumkaus
why do people compare politics to "team sports" as if the other side has just as valid a reason to "play"?
HellbirdIV
... because, get this, a democracy is about governing by the will of the people. That includes the votes of people you don't agree with.
HellbirdIV
Someone can be a Holocaust denying Neo-Nazi for all I care, your right to vote shouldn't be infringed just because I think you're a cunt.
eetsumkaus
I'm not saying deny them the vote. I'm saying one side knows the other side is an existential threat to democracy itself
HellbirdIV
Protip: Understand that all human beings are as fully conscious and complex as yourself. The "other side" thinks the same thing about you.
Captainius
Yeah, I live in a state that's all blue. The right to housing is ignored, black families are pushed from their homes, investors destroy
Captainius
our economy, tax code and transit costs disproportionately affect the poor, and there are tons of millionaires who could be taxed higher but
Captainius
aren't. Dems don't do anything when they have all the power, but sure, they're still better in many ways. They just aren't enough.
Captainius
People have the right to abortions and LGBTQ can marry, which is the least the govt can do. Costs nothing and is just. But right to home? No
Captainius
Opinion piece from the NYT: https://youtu.be/hNDgcjVGHIw
JustAlex94
Maybe half of them does. My mom just sits back and complains but never vote. My family is like America in a nutshell. A true shitshow.
UKallikat
How many of that green group voted 3rd party?
ReadaNewBook
Who cares? You don't know how those people would vote if they had Dems or Repub as their only choices. Voters aren't rational lol
milkycow15
I do if it’s a person I think can better this country
Taluien
The ones who still give enough of a shit to vote. But, given how the USA is basically an entrenched oligarchy, there'll be a few who don't.
pokepoketopa
Unfortunately the American political system is broken, but choosing between the lesser of two evils is still a net positive. Vote for change
Giraffehalf
Dems today boast about being essentially 90s Rs. A few more iterations of lesser evils will make the Manchins look like Bernies.
milkycow15
I believe that just settling for the lesser of two evils is what got us into this broken system in the first place.
RockKickass
Really? Do you think Hillary would’ve appointed these judges? Do you think a federal ban isn’t coming if they win again?
milkycow15
I think Hillary would have elected a judge that fit her agenda just like the republicans do. that’s the problem I hope more ppl will see.
RockKickass
Ok, what are those values you disagree with? Better or worse than trump?
HellbirdIV
Y'all could've had Bernie Sanders or Howie Hawkins but the "lesser of two evils" logic got you the Biden vs Trump dementia duel instead. sad
RockKickass
The unviable third party got us trump, and almost got him 2 terms
HellbirdIV
No, running extremely unpopular conservative war criminals as your candidates got you Trump.
NachoPete
True. I prefer to vote on principles rather than for parties that disagree with me.
RockKickass
You’ve got 2 choices, fascism or democracy. There’s no room for 3rd party unless you want fascism, look around and smell Gilead.
NachoPete
The fascist eagle has two wings. You think you're voting against fascism but you're just picking a different flavor.
RockKickass
Only one side passes policies that actually help people. The other side tried to overturn democracy, you do the math
Heffe3737
Here’s the thing though. If you’re principles stop you from voting altogether, then your beliefs are irrelevant.
NachoPete
I haven't stopped voting.
Heffe3737
Great!
Syrpynt
We could just have a giant voting machine ask the popular vote for everything, no politicians. They're just middlemen, skimming off the top.
Syrpynt
I mean, I'd trust a super secure server over human greed at this point.
eetsumkaus
We basically have that in California. Trust me, you don't want that. In the same election we stripped LGBT of rights and expanded chickens'
Syrpynt
So chickens were voting? Or there are more farmers than socialites in Cali?I was just talking about Federal, I could see how state is worse.
eetsumkaus
It was these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposit">n_8">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_2