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NoGunsNoCats
I get the impression that Israeli sentiment towards Palestinians is pretty bleak, when Israelis have wealth and Palestinians live meagre existences by comparison. The rich squash the poor.
pumper
No wonder bibi is such a good friend with putin.
GwenGifTerror
jgppan7
its not going to stop, they feed hate to their children, the result will always be the same, war... and death.
https://youtu.be/ueYUnoB3G2U?si=HaNtkQYQu7qcvZSW
CaptSchmidtGaming
they starved and beat him.
circlebreaker
That's torture, if anyone hasn't seen it before. Three months to go from regular dude to cross-eyed 100 lbs. PTSD skeleton.
Dirtyshubb
I can only imagine the horrors he has been through considering the staggering difference visible for 'only' 3 months. You would think it was longer considering how traumatized and thin he is now. Absolutely barbaric stuff from Israel.
GoodMorro
Ya the Israelites became what twisted them.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
He should have thought of that before he was born the ethnicity that they want to cleanse from the area. /s
Taxian
This dude had cancer before they detained him, which might explain why he looks to be in such bad shape. But I imagine none of that context will be shared by the folks passing this image around, it will just be assumed (as I can see in the posts here) that he was tortured into this state. Or the goalposts will be moved to "but they caused the cancer" or something. Oh wait, seeing some of that already too...
SansAandAnguS
I just can't understand how the Israelis of all people could perpetrate such murderous cruelty and oppression to a minority group. It's unfathomable.
PennsylvaniaPalindrome
Having been exposed to such heinous behavior, it's easy to Stockholm over to the other side and apply it to yr enemies.
DeadWhiteMale
Looks like torture to me
DameDePiques
Those eyes...
VanessaBludgeons
Severe trauma, malnutrition, and dehydration. It happens to children quicker. It's fucked up that it happens at all.
pettyface
Disgusting, and so is this. https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/12/20/israeli-strike-hits-during-live-report-near-hospital-in-rafah
HypersonicHero
Inexcusable
rakas90
Looks like a concentration camp survivor.
kendottack
In actuality, it looks like someone dying of advanced stomach cancer, which he was diagnosed with at a hospital in Ramallah prior to being incarcerated. OP is lying by omission.
destinychopsticks
The irony of an Israeli prisoner looking like a WWII concentration camp prisoner is very tragic. Israelis deserve better than their government and its war crimes. If I lived in Palestine and this was happening to my friends and family, I wouldn’t be surprised if people around me were supporting Hamas for saying they’d wipe out the enemy regime. (I’d still tell them to kick rocks for their actual antisemitism, but not for the political goal of liberating oppressed Palestinians.)
Bigcurly2000
SO MANY of the Palestinian prisoners that have been released so far from Israeli jails have been fucking TEENAGERS.
forelle
Not to take away from the pain, but it might be crucial context that Fanouq Katheeb had cancer even before the israeli detainment see the very source used in the second picture: https://www.instagram.com/eye.on.palestine/reel/C1GjX8DKf3R/ Editing out important context like that doesn't help when we have to point out actual attrocities..
superapan
And this gets buried deep in the comments, after all the upvotes on how Israel “clearly” are monsters who tortured this guy into this state. Sigh.
CaldariBob
But they treated him for the cancer, right?
TheRuckestRick
You'd think being the most persecuted religion in history would humble them. Seems like it allowed them to play the victim even when they are the aggressor
Wastyvez
The State of Israel was literally founded on settler colonialism, war crimes and ethnic cleansing with the justification for its existence being a 2 millennia old biblical myth and the very same outdated racial theories that have been used to persecute against Jews. The Bibi and Likud lead far right regime has upped the ante since the 2010s, but Israel has been oppressive towards Palestinians for almost 80 years and have always hid behind religion and US support to play the victim card.
donorkort
The state of Israel was founded by the UN when the UK gave up the Mandate. Israel were initially given 54% of the land of Palestine, and the deal was to give the remaining 46% to a new Muslim-led state of Palestine. The Muslim neighbours of Israel declined this, refused to acknowledge Israel as a state, and declared war on them instead. Israel won that war and took over half the land the Arab states declined. I 100% agree with your calling it ridiculous myths, though - on both sides.
fireflyseasontwo
The state of Israel was founded on Jewish terrorism aimed at both the Palestinians and the British (and even the UN): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence while the Deir Yassan massacre (horrific then too) by the Jewish terrorists is what precipitated the Arab-Israeli war in 1948: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre#Exodus_and_invasion
donorkort
I think I understand what you're trying to say - that Zionist terrorists existed both before and after Israel's formation - but the way you're wording it is weird, or maybe I'm just not understanding you right? The state of Israel was the result of the UN Resolution 181 in 1947, where the land was distributed as I explained above. Current president of the PA (the government in Gaza) has even said that refusing the 1947 UN plan was a mistake: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE79R644/
thedarkcanuck
For him to be that skinny after just 3 months, they must not have fed him at all
jzastrow
that's certainly possible, it's also possible he chose a hunger strike for some reason. I'm really trying not to jump to conclusions when I see anything out of this area
thedarkcanuck
Didn't Isreal burn through their benefit of the doubt around 25 000 civilians ago?
MostAwkwardPenguinInNYC
SMH you mean you're really choosing to prolong being wilfully ignorant in the face of genocide
donorkort
He has stomach cancer, but yeah, "willfully ignorant" is of course more fun than learning what's actually up and down.
wfx5mwdf8z9
Sauce?
alaest0r
A few outlets have reported it but they're all using social media reference right now. Specifics are unknown and there's a lot of misinformation at the moment (some claiming he was beaten, others that he was diagnosed with cancer, etc etc all without providing sources)
wfx5mwdf8z9
I am sure the place he was detained is probably horrible, but I am also very aware that Hamas creates a lot of propaganda. Everyone does, but Hamas has really been pushing it because it is how they can receive more financial support and aid that that they inevitably redirect away from people truly in need. I know Israel is farrrrr from perfect, but Hamas is also Hamas. People should always be wary of things posted with out a source.
alaest0r
Absolutely true
UdensZirnis
At least he GOT out. Many won't.
Woestkonijn
I feel that it would have been better if he didn't. That's not to say that I wish him I'll but my nana survived Auschwitz and wished she died every living day after that. She lived to 96. Such a hard life.
notinitforthepoints
Still doesn't justify how he was treated
mikeymikec
IMO once Israel has succeeded in eradicating Palestine, neighbouring countries should definitely consider themselves to be Israel's next target, simply because if your people has gotten away with genocide and stealing peoples' land, why stop at Palestine?
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deozamn
Nazi spotted.
PballQhead
Nah, the surrounding countries hate the Palestinians just as much as Israel does. Notice they're doing precisely nothing besides weak-ass protestations. Why hasn't Egypt opened their border with Gaza?
MostAwkwardPenguinInNYC
Because their corrupt leaders are in bed with Israeli trade
PballQhead
Well then…why aren't the people of said countries loudly protesting to rescue their downtown Arab brethren? It's not like the citizens of Egypt won't turn out in the streets if it suits them…
MostAwkwardPenguinInNYC
...they are though lol where have you been? The streets of Jordan, Yemen, Pakistan, etc are filled with protests regularly.
softbrickofironfeathers
because "arabs" is a generalization like "westerners" and the countries have nothing to do with each other if you look beyond your own preconceptions
PballQhead
I have no preconceptions; I'm very well aware that nobody in the Middle East, politicians or citizens, cares about Gazans or wants to live with them. I'm trying to make that point — borders are closed not because of government corruption or conspiracies, but merely to keep the Palestinians out.
rizz55
Make no mistake, the goal of the Israeli government is the total eradication of the Palestinian people. This a fucking genocide; they are not going to stop until there is not a living soul left who can lay claim to a single grain of sand in their "promised land".
Kligan
Good. Because I don't feel any sorrow for a society that laughs as kids play football with an israeli infant's decapitated head.
DocWino
And nobody feels sorrow for Russia. Fuck off ivan. Please show the source for your claim.
gamejeepboi
Dirtyshubb
Might want to be careful making generalisations like that considering I have seen plenty of Israel people celebrating the murder of Palestine children recently.
Randazzo
Source other than your imagination?
Serkus
What, made up bullshit regularly spread by pathological liars not good enough for ya or sumthin?
TheRockDude
ok. what race/ethnicity are you?
TheRockDude
Oh never mind, @Kligan lives in Russia, based off of previous comments. It's hilarious that you think you get to say that when your country's doing what it's doing. Of course a member of a society trying to commit genocide is in favor of committing genocide. Because that's how you're saying it works, right? Each and every individual in a society is personally responsible for every action committed by their country? Or are you a gutless worm who can't live by the standards he imposes?
Kligan
Yeah, I personally went and invaded Ukraine, you're right. And before that I called putler and told him to start the invasion ;)
TheRockDude
Yeah, every single person in Palestine personally went and killed innocent Israelis, you're right. And before that every single person called Hamas and told them to start the invasion and so the entire population deserves to be eradicated ;)
Kligan
As a side note - you went into my profile, found a single word to support your personal bias and to feel good about yourself :) Whereas if you actually read my comments you would see that never once I expressed any form of support toward invasion of ukrain. and in fact openly opposed it. Also, I have close friends living in Be'er Sheva in Israel who were bombed by hamas repeatedly again and again even before the war broke out, having to hide in bomb shelters until alarms stop.
TheRockDude
As a side note - you literally cheered for the genocide of an entire people. You completely missed my point. In fact, the fact that you're insisting you're one of the GOOD ones among the Russians solidifies my point that you're holding a double standard; to you, clearly, not all Russians are evil, but at the same time, all Palestinians are evil and deserve to die.
vigilantinfidel
He looks like those concentration camp survivors the Allies rescued at the end of WWII
nickwinters
PTK74
Well, the Israeli ppl were given lessons by the nazis. Looks like they were very good students.
Randazzo
You can't say the word though or Imgur will take it down.
ChristosMylordos
That makes me so fucking sad and disappointed.
forelle
He has cancer. That was just left out in the repost, see one of the original picture sources: https://www.instagram.com/eye.on.palestine/reel/C1GjX8DKf3R/
BikerRay
Where do you think they learned it from?
mrthewhitee
They dont like that name, so they call it administrative detention instead.
retrostone21
You mean the Jewish ones?
FaithAlone
You’ll be called antisemitic for pointing out what actual photo evidence makes irrefutable.
TheDildoOfConsequences
I think the word for that is antisemantic.
ViscousCousCous
I chuckled at your username
delecti
Yep. Apparently "never again" always just meant "never again *to us*". Doing it to others seems to be totally fine with them.
slightskew
Oh how the tables have turned
PolitiCat
They were really paying attention. "Never again" as victims, but as the perpetrators...
AtomicChipmunk
Well, they did learn how bad it was from an older generation, no reason not to do it to others. /disgusting amount of sarcasm
Comet260
Harvey Dent was right.
HaniiPuppy
It feels weird to use that phrase when the perpetrators pre-turning-of-tables and a victims post-turning-of-tables are two completely different unrelated groups.
halfemptygoonbag
Oh you mean the jews. The jews that were saved. That have no idea
CoachMcgurl
Probably a majority but don't forget the other groups the Nazis were monstrous to.
ProfessorVanDiggenSagg
Jews were actually the minority. From the 20+ million industrially slaughtered, the 6 million jews were "just" the largest group.
mercyPandaRunner
"20+ million industrially slaughtered"
I think you should *first* do your homework and then hold a lecture.
Vernichtungslager =\= Konzentrationslager
From the many ways the Nazis killed, concentration camps were just one. Industrial slaughter was just the most infamous way they killed people. Of those industrially slaughtered, the vast majority were jews.
neithermenoryou
Where did you get 20m+ from? The current best "official" estimates have the numbers at a bit over 12 million victims (discounting soldiers): 6m Jewish people, 3.3m civilian Soviet POW, 1.8m polish citizens, ~500k Romani, and a litany of others. About 70% of the total european jewish population was wiped out by the nazis, a higher percentage than any other group targeted by the nazis.
ProfessorVanDiggenSagg
It greatly depends on who you ask and if you consider mass executions or death through forced labour part of it. Some even include germans killed through the hands of the nazi regime. Statista e.g. counts 17 million.
gemaeuer
I don't believe anything posted on social media regarding that conflict without additional sources. For all I know this could be a cancer patient in Morocco who never set a foot into Israel.
Imhereforcatvideos
Exactly
fireflyseasontwo
Here's the problem. Israel limits all outside press in Gaza to only those embedded with IDF and kills all those in Gaza (nearly 70 confirmed so far + often their families) so it's hard to get results in English (exactly how Israel wants it) and hard to search other languages if you don't know them: https://cpj.org/2023/12/journalis">onflict/">https://cpj.org/2023/12/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coOptDiwyrU
fireflyseasontwo
There is however an extensive record of Israel’s prisoner treatment:
https://time.com/6366734/palestinian-child-detainees/
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/21/a-hidden-universe-of-suffering-the-palestinian-children-sent-to-jail
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-knocks-israels-treatment-of-palestinian-prisoners/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/04/g4s-complicity-israel-abuse-child-prisoners
fireflyseasontwo
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/23/uk-concerns-israels-treatment-pdren">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/23/uk-concerns-israels-treatmeales">dren">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/23/uk-concerns-israels-nt-p">ales">dren">https://www.theguardian.com/">trea">nt-p">ales">dren">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/23/uk-concerns-israels-treatment-palestinian-children
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/22/palestinian-children-detained-jail-israel
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/28/israel-denies-lawyers-palestinian-prisoners
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/03/israeli-doctors-report-torture-palestinian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/feb/11/israel
kendottack
He actually does have advanced stomach cancer (prior to being incarcerated) crucial information missing from OP - to the point that I would say it counts as a lie by omission.
AtomicChipmunk
Than you haven't seen the videos coming out of gaza
Wastyvez
It's good to fact check things you find on social media, because this whole thing is a propaganda war with a lot of fake information and appeals to emotion. That being said, the information of the Israeli treatment of Palestinians both in this conflict, previous conflicts, and in the decades surrounding it has been well documented by human rights workers and UN observers and is freely available.
MostAwkwardPenguinInNYC
However it is the Israeli side that has been caught red handed multiple times with blatant lies and fabrications (ie 40 beheaded babies)
delecti
Al Jazeera is reporting the same thing, though using a slightly different westernization of his name. This reports his release with the name "Farouk al-Khatib" https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/12/21/israel-hamas-war-list-of-key-events-day-76
RodentOfAverageSize
No pics in that link. Not saying they are fake, just saying the pics are not in that link
alaest0r
All the media sources ive seen have been using social media references. Maybe try tineye
WeekendWarriorMark
Googling the name gives an article stating that «Soroka Hospital where he was released after being diagnosed with advanced stomach cancer.»
kooteejum
Link...
Semphir
Yes. Lot of propaganda from both sides
MostAwkwardPenguinInNYC
Nope, there's no "both sides" when one sided is clearly committing a genocide.
Semphir
There is clearly propaganda coming from both sides. It's how things work nowdays.
MostAwkwardPenguinInNYC
Check out @motaz_azaiza on IG. No propaganda is needed to see the truth of the horror that is unfolding. All you need is a shred of humanity.
Semphir
Yes... But that doesn’t stop propaganda. Trying to make the other side seem worse. I can see what fact checking news agencies put out and still see that what's going on is in no way ok. That war crimes are being commited on the regular.
therealbardman
This is shameful, israel has lived behind the shield of the oppressed too long.
MrNardtastic
You either die a hero or.....
RandyHorton
Bomb the west bank?
METROlD
Israel fucking sucks. The leadership in that country needs a reality check.
barishta
Israel was created/formed in 1948
IAlwaysEatGlue
And?
DocWino
You mean the shield of the US.
plutonium
Did they stutter?
TRefgrite
Are you saying the us is the oppressed? Not sure what you mean
MondKind
Jep, that specific detail is pretty important.
anyway188136
He was in an Isreali jail tho. Not the oppressors.
MechKelly
You managed to contradict yourself in those two short sentences. How are you that dense? Unless you're a troll?
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
I've got terrible news for you
Ughffs
They have been since the end of world War two. Maybe read up on it before shooting your mouth off like an ignorant fuck.
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
Imagine looking at these pics and thinking "Ah, clearly he was detained by the good guys".
anyway188136
That's totally not what I meant. I meant both sides suffer and the Isreali government and hamas are at fault, NOT innocent people wanting to live their lives.
Ionico
Go look at the pictures again.
Kamchatkah
Who are the oppressors in your mind?
rockhydra
Politics cosplaying as religion.
anyway188136
That's what I mean. On both sides.
anyway188136
None! They are both wrong in dragging innocent people in and displaying it worldwide as if both of them are the victims.
Violaquin
Uh, who’s been conducting an arial bombing campaign for the past 10 weeks, killing close to 20,000 people, with 17 billion dollars in funding from the US government, and displacing people from their homes?
GenesisNynja
So they’re both the oppressors then, Israel being the oppressor in this specific instance.
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
It really sounds like you're trying to justify this guys treatment with 'both sides bad' rather than looking at these pictures and going 'this is an atrocity that never should have happened and those who did it should be held accountable'. Guess what, it's possible to hold *everyone* who commits war crimes accountable, rather than giving them a free pass because 'both sides bad'.
anyway188136
No one should get a free pass. Wtf, they both cause horror and pain.
blubberingbastard
It's the "It's never happened to me, so why should I care" vs the "This should never happen to anyone, that's why I care" mentality.
Kabba
I think he is saying that both sides has elements commiting atrocities. All Israelis aren't their military and all Palestinians aren't Hamas militants shooting children.
The big problem here is both sides has ppl with a vested interest in continuing this. If Israel pulls back then Hamas will eventually strike again. If Hamas pulls back israel will hunt and kill as many of them as possible hitting civilian casualties.
The mutual hate assures us both will not stop hostilities indefinitely.
SwissScars
Is Netanyahu trying to make the world antisemitic?
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Picdump2508
Probably. Let's him justify his evil.
CambreathdTheSecound
short answers: yes. Slightly longer answer: The only way he can stay in power is thou fear and hate. So for Netanyahu personally this "war" has no downsides. Civilians will die, but that's a sacrifice both he and Hamas are willing to make.
TrilithonStone
Is there even a usage... Anti-Zionist...?
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Don’t play into that. Hate the politics, hate the methods, hate the people perpetuating it, but never start blaming the ethnicity for it.
Thornaxe
That’s what’ll happen unfortunately. And the Jews thatll die eventually will be the ones furthest from the crimes.
donorkort
Absolutely insane comment to make. Congratulations, you're helping them.
KoalaOnTheJuice
In a word, yes. Antisemitism and violent Palestinian anger provides him with justification for further conquest and ethnic cleansing.
KleptoKea
Do not confuse the Israeli government or even Israel with the Jews of the world.
Ardback
...because this IS THE WAY to turn the world antisemitic...
Varnna
An ass is still an ass regardless of race, creed, or species.
reineseele
He got some ideas from nazi germany i think, which is a weird flex he tries to do. Like "we do it even better..."
Nivvi
Netanyahu read a book about WW2 and thought he can do better than hitler
CoachMcgurl
SHITLER!
Serkus
They want Israel and Jew to be interchangeable, so criticism of Israel is criticism of Jews and therefore anti-Semitic. Don't fall for it.
StarscreamAndHutch
They’ve got that already. These most recent events are unraveling their cloak.
Nivvi
It even more fucked, ha wants to make Zionism equate to Semitism and Israel
Ninjainslippers
Exactly. Bibi is using every ounce of Holocaust sympathy to excuse Israel for atrocities. I've heard a rabbi loudly denouncing this and saying it tarnishes his faith to have the Israeli gov't connected to Judaism.
BronyDanza
This has been AZCPA / AIPAC's goal since the mid-1950s.
Jackpot7777777
Crimes against humanity is so ingrained into Israel's persona now, that if you criticize crimes against humanity they'll say you're criticizing Israel.
MosquitoHawker
Conflation is the goal here. Conflate Palestinians with Hamas/ Hezbollah and conflate Jews with IDF/ Netanyahu. These are not interchangeable terms yet many want them to be.
CoachMcgurl
I think he wants to guarantee enemies so he can look like a hero or something. He considers himself "Israel's Protector" or something and has to have someone to protect Israel against.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
He's a right-wing bully, same as any other. He wants power and the prestige that comes from impressing a room of other bloodthirsty tyrants
PennsylvaniaPalindrome
Indicted for corruption, and removed court checks on executive branch function. Born in Israel; spent high school yrs near Philly; attended MIT. Makes a big deal of being personal friend of #45 since the 80s, which explains his recent political actions.
Howmuchistoomuchspam
Point taken but let’s separate Jewish people and the Israeli government please
Picdump2508
I think the point is that most people aren't going to do that. You and I realize there's a difference, but we're far from representative of the majority of people.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
Absolutely. I don't want to be on the hook for the evil shit my government does, so there's no reason for me not to give the same courtesy to the average Israeli citizen
Wastyvez
The main problem is that Israel's government is the one who is not separating those two things. Any criticism of Israel has been depicted as an attack on all Jews by this government because their policy equates the zionist settler colonialism of Israel to the very core of being Jewish. They do this on purpose, both for ideological reasons and to be able to hide behind religion for its human rights abuses.
mrthewhitee
But that's also the point. Netanyahu doesn't want you to separate the two.
DarkRedCape
Some Jewish people. Not all oppose what is happening in Gaza, many fully support what’s happening.
Sitting101
Many support trump
acuteavocado7
and they get ripped for it every single day, whats your point
StewedTomaters
Semitic doesn't mean "just Jewish people." It's a linguistic grouping. Arabs are Semitic. Phoenician was Semitic. The Carthaginian Empire was Semitic.
StewedTomaters
As a racial term, the people who came up with it were the same ones who pushed "the Caucasian people" as an idea. It's one of those 19th Century things.
nopo
And, importantly, Arabic is semitic.
PballQhead
"The Harvard CAPS-Harris poll found that two-thirds of voters between the ages of 18 and 24 believe Jews as a class are oppressors and should be treated that way." https://www.yahoo.com/news/wide-generational-gap-persists-views-222741791.html And yes, the question was explicitly "Jews", see page 57: https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/HHP_Dec23_KeyResults.pdf
donorkort
Did you not see the presidents of MIT, Harvard and Penn dodge the question of whether, quote, "calling for the genocide of Jews is against rules or code of conduct?" It should have been a super fucking easy yes, but they all just refused to answer...
OozyRatInASanitaryZoo
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/11/the-harvard-and-upenn-presidents-walked-into-a-trap-in-congress
PballQhead
Hell, I've seen antisemitic Hamas supporters claiming that the backlash, particularly the Penn president's much-deserved ousting, is proof that the Evil Jews Control The World. The psyops here are devastatingly effective and I fear it's all going to end very, very badly
donorkort
It's so fucking insane to me how we just came out so good against QAnon lunatics, against Covid conspiracy lunatics, against an insane Russian psyops campaign, and are then just hopping head-first into the pool of Iranian propaganda. I just don't understand how they managed to do this.
PballQhead
It's not Iranian, it's most likely Russian as well — peel.off enough useful idiots with the "genocide Joe" malarkey for TFG (or any R, if he gets nuked out) to win. And I'm not even particularly supportive of Israel at the moment.