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MrsZbornak
i don't think GMOs are bad but i do think people have the right to know what is in their food. i think they should label it
prndllll
This is directly from 9gag except for the picture...for shame.
Bourbonkers
Republicans love science if it fattens their wallet. Republicans will love anything if it fattens their wallet. They're money whores.
ICastSummonBiggerFish
I mean I oppose current nuclear power, but that's just because thorium salt reactors are a much better option.
DianNaoChong
'free trade is bad' makes me think this is a shill. The TPP is fucking awful.
badgerbadgersquared
I'm pretty sure free trade is an economics thing, not a STEM thing.
Muffinman41
it's almost as if people of all opinionated groups contain large quantities of stupid fuckos. oh wait they do
DrHenryJonesJr
To be fair anti-vaxxing is a bipartisan problem, with people on both sides of the spectrum holding the same idiotic opinion
Doovahiin
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it." - Neil Degrasse Tyson
ArandomDane
Whenever I see his name I remember the reddit story of him being a prick
SuperSupply
Well there are a few pieces of evidence to suggest that nuclear power might not be great. Like when they fail. But whatever I guess.
elRube
Free trade ruined my dad's buisness in Mexico, and millions of farm workers there too. Cartels grew. Free trade ain't science.
createdforupvoting
The main objection to GMOs has nothing to do with science and everything to do with business. GMO is the DRM of food.
TheLastPunslinger
"Can I get a Gnu license for these chicken nuggets?"
majorwinters10
They actually are pretty devastating to the soil over the long haul. It requires far more fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides 1/2
majorwinters10
To get good yields. Nothing bad if you eat a GMO, but it's not a sustainable practice in its current function
ichangedmyusernamebecauseiregretmyoriginaldecision
So non-GMO is GoG?
racheid77
these are not the same people lmfao
mamabarry
Who? Who says this? Do you know them personally?
WhatTheFrog
That girl in the picture says it!
AllTheGoodOnesWereAlreadyTaken
Looks like she sings it.
WhatTheFrog
More like meditates it really!
cookieway
Free Trade IS bad
snailaway
Without free trade we would still be living in the Dark Ages.
Rawcal
I'm pretty sure in middle age kings and counts had a lot more control over trade than modern governments.
snailaway
Yes.
cptwott
TIL GMO's are scientifically proven good
SimplySibyl
http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1355685 240 peer-reviewed studies say there is not a significant difference between organic & GMO.
coloradostoneman
I am a crunchy liberal that wants expanded GMO's for environmental reasons. IF you would like a short essay on why, PM me.
Gadvance
from a scientific perspective... yes pretty much, the only issues are with implementation
Kaalivanukas
GMO's are the only thing with a real potential to at least partially solve famine, so ya they're ok in my book
myvulvaissmootherthanavealcutlet
But they also have potentially very damaging side effects for the environment. We should try and balance GMOs with sustainability. 1/2
myvulvaissmootherthanavealcutlet
2/2 One of the causes of famine is unsustainable agrobusiness, so GMOs may help right now but in time could cause serious problems.
Cuteredcardigan
Ok, so I wrote my MA on GMOs in Africa and studied trade agreements in length (degree in international development ). There are legitimate
Cuteredcardigan
Upsides and downsides to both, usually the bad happens in poor nations. I hate when uneducated ppl call me anti science for saying so.
Rawcal
This. I too hate it that so many people take pointing out problems in GMO corporations as ignorance towards the science behind.
weepingvagina
Yes, many people don't understand how science works. Both sides do it.
EhrmagerdaEh
Both sides aka people who flatly deny stuff that the scientific community says, others who blindly accept everything they hear.
Philanthropyman
Free trade is bad if you're not in the upper class. Lower and middle classes lose out on work and export money and jobs overseas.
azmyth1
http://voxeu.org/article/global-income-distribution-1988
Mithi
Not to mention the fact that CETA and TTIP are a lot more than just 'free trade agreements' and are rejected for that.
Philanthropyman
The TPP has parts in it that override self governments environmental law and corporations can sue governments with a 3rd party court
idonotthinkitownswhatyouthinkitowns
As an economist, 'free trade' is a fucking myth. No trade is free of regulation and if it were that would be horrible. Everything affects DD
AllTheGoodOnesWereAlreadyTaken
Your post has 12 upvotes and yet it is at the very bottom of my screen.
idonotthinkitownswhatyouthinkitowns
Apparently it's contentious. Probably contentious enough to dominate economic theory for the last 70 years. They're just wrong though.
idonotthinkitownswhatyouthinkitowns
Also, any talk of 'bilateral free trade agreements' is also bullshit. If it's negotiated between only two countries, it's a trade agreement.
channelranger
Well, it'd create a power vacuum yeah? if there's no regulation, a corp will take the power to make regulation and do it themselves.
idonotthinkitownswhatyouthinkitowns
Corporations don't regulate. Industries have voluntary codes sometimes so they can avoid real regulation but they don't have that function.
Bammbuca
Well, this is kinda stupid. Is this suposed to be democrat shaming? Liberal shaming? Every thing on her list has pros and cons. It is 1/2
Bammbuca
Just matter of deciding which one does more weght to us. There are science articles pro and against all. 2/2
Mclovin21
Is the a pro of not vaccinating your children?
Rawcal
No, at least with known ones. But there was case with pig influenza some years back when they rushed new vaccine against already going 1/2
Rawcal
2/3 epidemic without proper tests, and some young healthy people got narcolepsy from vaccine against sickness that was dangerous to only
Rawcal
3/3 people with weakened immunology. I myself suffered the influenza month before my area even got the vacs.
rando84
Also, the majority of Democrats aren't crunchy granola types who subscribe to these ideas.
MrFNSunshine
Take your strawman, soak it in gasoline, jam it straight up your ass, and light it, OP.
ChocolateWilly
lol soo many mad because it's true (I'm a liberal)
MrFNSunshine
More like I'm sick and tired of what stupid facebook shit and 24/7 news networks have done to intelligent discourse in this country
ChocolateWilly
Oh I get it now, sorry. It's so true, it's either fact or fiction. You can't disagree on anything and your'e labeled a bigot.
IndubitablyEnglish
You. I like you.
TobySomething
I get what you're saying but I think resistance to climate change science is more widespread and dangerous than those other things you cite
Hawkdoc82
Yeah, you pretty much missed the whole point.
itscoldhere8monthsoftheyear
Given the outbreaks of preventable diseases, I'm going to say no. The anti-vaxers are worse.
BroseidonKingOfTheBros
There are more anti-vaxxers on the right than there are on the left. It's a religion thing, and not just for the crazy (no transfusions etc)
createdforupvoting
Bad, yes. Worse? Hardly. Just start vaxing and we'll ve fine. The climate stays changed.
greatbrono7
In medicine, and global warming will actually cause more health problems than anti-vaxxers unless they drastically increase in number.
FredAntony
"Opposes nuclear power"? What's wrong with preferring clean energy?
rando84
Nuclear energy is clean energy. Germany's been building coal plants since it abandoned nuclear & is killing its climate goals.
FredAntony
True, coal harms our climate, so it isn't a viable longtime solution. But neither is nuclear power as it creates dangerous waste.
rando84
Nuclear waste isn't particularly dangerous; the volumes are vastly below other industries' toxic wastes (including coal), while the 1/2
rando84
safety standards are far higher. The difference is people see radiation as exotic while ignoring much more common & dangerous carcinogens2/2
FredAntony
Also Germany mostly invests in renewable energies. They already surpassed nuclear power here.
pariahdog120
Because right now it doesn't exist in quantity great enough to replace nuclear, and isn't cost effective. So until the green tech is...
FredAntony
Green tech might not be as profitable but it is ready. And in some countries it is already surpassing other sources of energy.
pariahdog120
developed, opposing nuclear is supporting coal.
icameinlikeafeckingball
Or maybe can we not oppose nuclear and support green? I agree we can’t just close all nuclear station from one day till the next, (1)
icameinlikeafeckingball
we need sufficient green energy to do that first, but with this attitude, that is never going to happen. (2)
TheLannistersSendALovelyFruitBasket
Yes. Because all liberals are granola munching neo-hippie lunatics.
MostSereneDoge
Speaking as a granola munching liberal, I don't personally know anyone who thinks vaccines and GMOs are bad.
pizzaparty
As the leftiest of the liberals, the only one that describes me is the free trade one. Fuck that nonsense.
azmyth1
North Korea Best Korea.
jsendzDiver
I love granola
somekindafuckingidiot
but you dont have anything to say though about how all republicans arent young earth illiterate science haters?
TheLannistersSendALovelyFruitBasket
If the meme had gone the other way, I would've said the same thing. Moderates exist on both sides, it's just the radicals that are loudest
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
While that's absolutely true, let's not make a false equivalence here. One party platform rejects scientific conclusions more than the other
sbsuerte
Wait, when did anti-vax become a hippie thing? I always thought it was the suburban moms who believed that nonsense.
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ntauthority
jill stein isn't anti-vax, stop going off of bullshit internet myths
ChocolateWilly
It's both
rossimus
Yeah I know a lot of hippies and this meme describes none of them.
eggmuffin
Distrusting "The Man" is popular.
Chulump
Maybe it's both. I can see hippies disapproving of vaccines, but the suburban mothers are the ones making a fuss.
ootandaboot1
Yeah OP is an armchair analyst...got to meet different types of people to understand them
damnyuoautocorrect
It's a granola suburban mom thing. I'm from Seattle, it's the thing.
straycatstrut
Woo transcends partisan politics.
user82650
bothIsGood.gifv
ghostwarlock
When they learned that vaccines contain carbon, hydrogen, and hydrogen - the same ecomponents as formaldehyde! :O
BavarianGuy
Who deep inside want to be hippies?
woogawooga
It's always been a hippy trend. Don't tell the youngsters
stalinomatic
NYC and cities in Cali have the highest concentration of anti-vaxxers.
angeln9ner
Also have the highest concentration of people, so...
infiniteflux
Notice. This is a stock photo. Meanwhile The President is an anti-vaxxer.
MrMugg
It started with an terrible actress/playboy model swearing it gave her son autism iirc.
kittykat
In my experience, you're correct.
sunnydelinquent
In my experience it's my dumb ass republican relatives who believe it. Along with their dumbass democratic neighbors. Everyone's a dumbass.
JesusToldMe
Your last 2 words nailed it.
mechanicalchaos
This is a platform I can get behind.
Wherethefackaretheirchins
dirkg8989
Suburban moms now. They were hippies before the house and kids.
DuncanSeven
No, they were the girls they're terrified their daughters will become.
Glazedham00
Shhhhh don't spoil our disdain for the young folk.
greggor
We ARE "the young folk." Like 6 people over the age of 30 use this site.
wmort
Also hello. Where are the other 4?
CertifiedPreOwnedButtPlug
BUT CHEMICALS AREN'T NATURAL.
RockinRedbull
Mmmmaaannnnnn
Zigor22
Because of that, I don't consider "natural" meaning healthy for you anymore.
azmyth1
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
CertifiedPreOwnedButtPlug
It is most definitely sarcasm.
GreaterDog
Essential oils reaches both demographics tbh
OHmymischief
I love essential oils. I'm not saying they cure cancer, but they're great for what they can do.
GreaterDog
It's kind of like chiropractic care. Perfectly legitimate if you keep the outrageous claims to a minimum and realize what it actually is.
xmaneds
you can feel relaxed and soothed with peace of mind while you have cancer
mattjanky
The green party is anti vax
RhealityBytes
I thought the party itself did not have a stance on Vax, just Jill Stein is for letting you choose to let children die and disease return
ShaZam1269
Jill Stein is anti-vax
bippityboppitybuttsex
She is actually not; she is pro-vaccine choice, which is code for anti-vaxx.
HerschelKrane
And theres never been any problems with Nuclear power before. Or even problems that are happening to us right now.
whereigotogetdownvotes
Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukushima were kinda bad. http://www.processindustryforum.com/hottopics/nucleardisasters
rando84
3 Mile Island was a non-incident with no health impact, Fukushima resulted in 0 deaths & involved an obsolete 1960's era reactor design, 1/2
rando84
and Chernobyl, while terrible, says a lot more about Soviet safety culture than nuclear power in Western countries like France & the US 2/2
RageCuddles
This is very true, but the new nuclear technologies are far far safer and produce less waste than before. To completely discount it is silly
WhatTheFrog
Accidents ? Nope, never happened. Waste ? Nah, just dig a hole and put it all in there! See ? No problem!
pariahdog120
We have nuclear reactors now that use the waste from old reactors as fuel. But we're not allowed to build them.
AllTheGoodOnesWereAlreadyTaken
You need a lot more upvotes.
coloradostoneman
To be fair, Coal, gas and hydro all have much greater impacts environmentally than Nuclear. All have killed more people as well.
WhatTheFrog
It's like advocating Clinton'd make a great president because Trump is shit.
coloradostoneman
no, it is like saying that Clinton is a lesser evil. which is a completely valid argument in her (and nuclear power's) favor
WhatTheFrog
All I'm saying is that being anti-nuclear is not being ignorant, even though I agree it's a lesser evil, there are other options.
coloradostoneman
And i support those options, but nuclear can be made effectively meltdown proof and should be a part of the picture
whereigotogetdownvotes
Hydro? Dams are more dangerous than nuclear power? You've got to be kidding!
coloradostoneman
but yeah, the big issue with hydroelectric is environment aspect
coloradostoneman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_by_death_toll WEll below 10,000
coloradostoneman
look at the johnstown flood. http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/dams/
whereigotogetdownvotes
Was it worse than Chernobyl?
coloradostoneman
Chernobyl was the ONLY nuclear disaster worse. and only by about 50%
coloradostoneman
one dam failure killed over 170,000https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banqiao_Dam
dracomageat
Nuclear power has some very big, obvious and well showcased drawbacks...
jdubs42
The reactors currently operating are Gen2s built in the 60s. We're currently on Gen4 design and Gen5 will be ready soon. They dont melt down
0nTheBrightside
jdubs42 laying down some truth. http://s244.photobucket.com/user/candeez11/media/diddyonem.gif.html
jdubs42
Nobody likes the truth.
xmaneds
they've been "just around the corner" for 20, 30, 40 years now. nuke plants are $5+billion overbudget, and 10-20-30 years late.
jdubs42
How much do other powerplants cost exactly? And how long will they take to build?
360thomas
but do they outweigh the benefits? Well executed nuclear power plants are the most reliable, efficient sources of energy
Noevilgifs
And they are usually safe unless a unforeseen circumstance like fukashima happens
TobySomething
Compare the death toll of Fukushima (zero direct deaths) to the dozens killed by oil pipeline explosions and gas leaks on a daily basis.
rando84
People are very bad at judging risk. There are people terrified of flying but who won't think twice about driving after having a few drinks
dracomageat
Well excecuted, sure but, as @cyberMarble says, they still haven't found a good disposal method and the plant that went out of control in...
dracomageat
...the last few years because they decided to test their control measures when a tsunami was about to hit shows that human stupidity is...
dracomageat
...still a very real factor. Ultimately, I'm not saying it is or isn't worth persuing nuclear but simply that the concerns are valid.
cyberMarble
Where do you put the waste for like 1 mio. years so it harms no one?
rando84
Reprocess it or put it in a geologic repository. Nuclear waste isn't going to blow up & there isn't much of it. One site could easily 1/2
rando84
accommodate the entire US supply. It's not a serious technical challenge, just a political/stigma/NIMBY problem. 2/2
rando84
A far more serious concern is the vast amounts of toxic waste produced by other industries & stored under much looser standards.
FreakDC
Compared to coal and oil? Maybe. Had we invested the billions into renewable energy instead we wouldn't need nuclear power anymore.
rando84
I'm all about more renewables, but they put a lot of stress on the power grid. 100% renewables would be an expensive reliability nightmare.
xmaneds
what if we decentralized? what if we didn't rely on one central grid for everybody? wind and solar become a lot more viable in that scenario
rando84
There's a lot of potential in decentralization, but it has more limited application in dense urban & industrial centers.
FreakDC
It's a process that takes time but we can do it: http://energytransition.de/files/2016/01/2016-01-GerPowerData-Changes03-15-v2.png
xmaneds
an excellent and well-researched point. in a short number of years, Germany drastically reduced reliance on nuclear power
FreakDC
The same was true for nuclear power. It's an engineering problem that can be solved with research and money. Germany is doing it right now.