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Proboscidea4815162342
Sorry, it doesn't work for Trump supports. Especially after giving facts and evidence.
alphasyllabaries
Just carefully follow these steps and you'll successfully come off as a weird sociopath who's trying to manipulate people.
caveman42
But what if you're wrong? How do you win then?
yehudaisrael
I hear what you're saying but here's the thing. #punch to the face and runs away.
MightyDaxie17
Printing this and stapling it to my forehead. thanks @op
DredeKnig
Don't try to win arguments. Try to come to an equal agreement together. If everyone comes in planning to win then neither's going to agree.
twozerooz
This is more so about convincing those people with absurdly irrational beliefs: gw denialists, anti-gmoers, anti-vaxxers, etc
literaryhero
I just call them Hitler. Argument won.
7ofNein
Pretty sure my ex wrote the book on how to do this flawlessly.
TimLippe
This looks like something Hitler might upvote.
NZSheeps
That's just what a vegan would say!
totallynanners
This works, especially if you're trying to colonize Mars.
GiantDadneverdies
Except if your a girl, just start crying when your losing
CatzEyes93
There used to be a day where we didnt NEED something like this to engage in the art of conversation.
TheBedSideWarrior
Or just RKO them...
Sturmgeschutz
36roentgen
Call everyone autistic*
AkLonewolf
https://imgur.com/Dy34FAZ
Gloriously
TheWetLustyArgonianMaidRIP
The internet has taught me that if I'm losing an argument, just call my opponent Hitler.
areibold
Avoid using too many facts... ugh.
FoxKeegan
This works, and is especially useful for those who rely on logos to teach those who rely on pathos.
PokoOnoandtheJamJams
Isn't it?
BabaBooey734
This is especially useful for those who really on Legos to survive.
Stanistani
Yes, the Nike 'swoosh' is quite effective. "Just do it!!!" you urge.
FoxKeegan
Dedeurmetdebaard
I rely on logos to indentify brands, mainly.
Snarkoleptic
I mean, technically you do
FoxKeegan
Don't tell people what they should know--ask what they believe, why, and why they don't believe other scenarios.
tospik
"Avoid using too many facts" is anathema to me. I understand this is about persuasion, but being CORRECT matters too.
governmentgavemeagun
Then just use the main critical 1, 2 or 3, at most. People won't absorb/respond to more than 3 concepts at a time.
tospik
How about: Things should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.
Syrpynt
You don't tell me what to do @OP!
BLUEYLIGHT
Is it just me or does this gif look 3D to anyone else?
highevolutionary
This is how I win an argument. It works 60 percent of the time everytime.
ghostrobbie
DetectiveSherlockHolmes
So what you're saying, is that @OP can't tell you what to do. Why do you think that? *stares into soul*
ArchmageTech
Definately keeping this in my folder XD
weirdipedia
Too many facts, didn't read
Stanistani
That attitude will get you far. Have you considered running for President on the Republican ticket?
rmmmm
ah, the famous "I'm not racist, but…"?
JHawke
everything before "but" is bull. ~ Jim quinn
DarthFutuza
"I'm a racist, but that doesn't mean I only hate hispanics!"
WilwoWaggins
At which point do you call them a Nazi?
DarthFutuza
When they express views such as, "Hitler was the greatest", or, " fascism that incorporates scientific racism and antisemitism leads 2 joy".
WilwoWaggins
Oh, I thought it was when you sensed that you might be losing the argument.
DarthFutuza
Oh that works too.
sosublime
Did anybody read this?
TrumpIsAMoron
Nah, I just came here for the disgruntled Imgurians who are making zero relevant comments.
DarthFutuza
HITLER HATED JEWS!
Doctormupp
Is winning an argument really what people strive for? Isn't it more important to listen and understand both sides and not be narrow minded?
DarthFutuza
Depends on the argument. If you're being persuaded by the scary man in the white van that he "just wants to give you candy", prob not worth.
DwarfAardvark
1) Usually. 2) Yes. This is more about persuading an opponent than crafting a rational argument.
trollymictrollface
More than a few of these are logical fallacies. while these are good at convincing stupid people, they are blatant insults to intelligence.
ehnayehn
You have to be able to assess your audience. If you're talking to someone with a crazy idea or who is crazy, they won't listen to reason.
ehnayehn
These tactics are to break down the emotional defenses that cause people to entrench.
NorwegianGlaswegian
Indeed. Using these against someone with critical thinking skills will likely make it even more difficult to win them over.
spiffylookingnerfherder
On the other hand, I've never found myself trying to persuade someone with robust critical thinking skills that the earth orbits the sun.
NorwegianGlaswegian
Oh dear.
spiffylookingnerfherder
I don't know the Norwegian word for 'numpty' but you get the idea.
NorwegianGlaswegian
As a Scot (though with Norwegian citizenship too), very familiar with the word, and with a few live ones.
SilverNicktail
My best advice was always: you're arguing against their argument, not them. Who they are is usually irrelevant, so leave it out.
SeandersE
Sadly, people are so intertwined with their beliefs it's almost impossible for people to realize we are attacking an idea, not their identit
SeandersE
I should say "some people"
SilverNicktail
Very true, and the most common problem I run into when trying to change someone's mind. It's not you, it's your ideas I have a problem with.
SilverNicktail
People invest their ego into their opinions and that makes their opinions very difficult to change.
metalfoto
This is the point.
ThatKidWhoYoyos
I work in a call center. As a debt collector. I utilize these tactics and more. Also, my name is also Sean.
WhiteNateDogg
Debt collectors use an alias. Source: Work at a financial institution. We call them asset recovery.
ThatKidWhoYoyos
We actually do not. I Have to say my real first and last name on every call, which has always felt like bad mojo
WhiteNateDogg
I meant where I work. That sucks psychos can hunt you down. Didn't have to downvote me though but good on you correcting me I guess.
glozinglocal
Damn you debt collectors and your endless calls!!
13inchesofFloppyClownShoe
Call center? Debt collector?
FoxKeegan
What are you wearing, Sean from a call center?
jk115
She sounds hideous.
LightlyFriedFishFilletsForScale
You misspelled Satan
SeandersE
If you guys are interested in this stuff, check out Street Epistemology. Anthony is great. https://www.youtube.com/user/magnabosco210
ThatKidWhoYoyos
Yeah, this sounds a lot like this guy I used to know. He was an asshole, but also my best friend.
SaphirePhenux
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NorwegianGlaswegian
This looks right up my street. Thanks.
NorwegianGlaswegian
Really enjoying Anthony's videos; I like his approach to the Socratic method.
SeandersE
I'm glad. I found him a few months ago and I have been implementing SE into my daily life since. I've had some incredible talks!
kissmyassets
I just started at a call center. I see that many of these apply even without face to face. People call me already upset. I have to resolve.
ThatKidWhoYoyos
What topic do you do? Sales, Customer service, banking, etc. Call center work is hard, emotionally but serves as communication therapy
kissmyassets
Retention. For a phone company. A lot of them can't find a face to yell at their frustration. Settle for a voice.
kissmyassets
My first call ever with this company was a verbally abusive store employee for the company I support. My call is now training for others.
kissmyassets
All the trainers heard and replayed my call. It was really bad. Not me. The store associate.
ChristopherEvans1
Hello Also Sean, is that Scandinavian in origin?
SeandersE
The name Sean is Irish in origins. The irony is it means God is gracious; gift from God.
LickLickLickMyBalls2
It's a call center, probably India
ThatKidWhoYoyos
Heh I'm in the US, there's call centers all over the country. I've done tech support, sales, you name it. I'm the whitest kid you know
LickLickLickMyBalls2
Then please pick up my phone call when I call customer support. The guy I usually get is really hard to understand...
vauhtihirmu
Don't try to win arguments, it only gives short term gains. Try to convincingly explain your stance and understand that of the other party.
shweepshwoop
this is an especially relevant response ^^^
vauhtihirmu
I could also mention the long term harm: Some of these are false arguments, like building a straw man, and you do not want to encourage that
otiumCatulli
you do want to encourage it if you want to win
SlightlyDodgy
Empathy is half of the battle. Killing your opponent and hiding the body really deep is the other half.
newsguycraigevans
36roentgen
I like this gut
SlightlyDodgy
Gut?
36roentgen
lol, autocorrect from guy
SlightlyDodgy
I thought so :)
notme222
Good advice, if incomplete. The problem is some people don't want to arguments to conclude, even if they win. They just want to fight.
sosublime
Some people!? That's not way to talk about ladies!
bpetersen
Tl Dr; use logic...not emotion
gunnerVonDiamond
You're wrong!
fukutoo
Sadly I know people like that
sundaymondayhippyday
ElbowdeepinElmo
Aka. "the shit slinging monkey"-technique.
kissmyassets
There are some people in the bunch, yes. Some spiral through the same statements over and over.
legofham
No i dont, thats what you do.
kissmyassets
I have not claimed that you ever have. I mentioned a reality in the debating world.
unknownSubscriber
No you didn't
ghostrobbie
Also someone beliefs being attacked is shown to send the brain into fight or flight mode. Its why many just shut off and stop listening.
notabrainlet
My strategy is to call those people out on it. After doing the above they keep circularizing, cut off em and end it.
AutomationLayer
Cut them off at the legs!
Exoticz
Shohanna
Truer words were never spoken!
ninjaguineapig
My friends and I argue over pointless shit all the time. We love it. It's a great way of getting into someone else's mind.
notme222
Picking something pointless is fine. Great even. But some people will change the subject rather than agree with a statement the other made.
PauLogic
Me and my friend argue/debate for sport. If a question leads to a shitton of questions, much fun will be had.
SirGellahad
Argue or debate? There's a world of difference. And I cannot imagine that arguing to get to know someone is effective.
Imhereforthelurking
At certain levels, one looks like the other. Its all about the tone and intensity. Sometimes even the intent. The Talmud is literally Jews,-
Imhereforthelurking
Over many hundreds of years, collectively arguing with each other over esoteric and obscure rulings about their laws, religion, and culture.
Shohanna
Yes it does, it lets you know so much about who they are and how they view the world. Especially if they "cut below the belt" and have no >
Shohanna
> Qualms with hurting, or making you feel inferior. Seriously, some people are ruthless, and you should be aware of them and refuse to argue