While I appreciate trying to mess with them on this point, is it really worth the effort? It doesn't matter 4 years in if they want to admit it or not. What they need to push home is whether or not they will accept the votes that are cast in the 2024 election. If they won't admit to that NOW, then we might as well prepare for the worst come November 6th
Its easy to say "I will accept the votes" and then not accept them when you don't like the outcome. But their refusal to accept the outcome from 4 years ago blatantly shows that they won't accept the next one either.
well obviously. he is running under the banner of the guy who refuses to admit it. you can't be his running mate and then just undercut one of his biggest standing points. Inwardly I am sure he knows Trump lost, and probly wants to say that he does acknowledge it, but he has trump backstage watching and knows he would be screwed if he said as much. spineless in the name of self preservation
That simply HAS to be a complete brain fart. You can't be THAT transparent. Saying "I'm focused on the future", and then IMMEDIATELY asking about the past, is the DUMBEST argument i have EVER heard.
Vance said we would not have certified the election. Meaning as VP he would ignore his constitutional duties and he would not do his job certifying the election. This alone should be enough to disqualify him from serving as VP and should also disqualify him from holding any office.
Because they don't believe it either. They want to sow chaos in elections so they can cheat without consequence, that's all there is to it. They want people to doubt elections so when they seize power by force, their followers will say "yeah, they were cheated, they should fight back!"
Unfortunately, there is an incredibly small number of people, like 4% of potential voters, who do still need convincing.
It's to the point where these people clearly think they are smarter than everyone else for doing their "due diligence", but they're fucking morons. Reading some interviews with undecideds makes it seem like they're the type of people that just love the smell of their own farts.
Sometimes it's hard to tell who is dumber between "independents" and Republicans.
Gotta hear that Khamala is commiting to invest billions of federal dollars into the place/job they work. Not socialism, they don't want charity, they do honest (unprofitable in a global market) work, they just want to get rich from it.
Yep, the headline had big "need to find a way to make it sound like Vance was the one who won actually in spite of his fuck ups, ok let's claim he was like Reagan, and that he was smooth in his delivery!" but we all saw Vance was not smooth, his "bu bu bu bu, the rules were you won't going to fact check!" was stammering awkward childish petulant awkwardness & entitlement that will follow him for a long time
"hey Zuckerberg (Facebook) and Dorsey (Twitter), can you please stop morons from sharing stupid home remedies to COVID that kills people, we don't want people to inject bleach in to their bodies since the hospitals are over worked as it is and we don't need more people dying right now from something Trump said on TV".... "Yeah the bleach... that is being injected in to peoples blood streams.. mmhm.. and the pool cleener tablets should not be eaten. ever.... and the horse dewormer..."
The GQP line is that the Biden administration asked (not mandated) that social media platforms remove covid disinformation that was frankly lethal. And much like in this debate, this fact checking was considered "censorship" by the GQP.
I feel like that should hit harder with Christians. The guy literally said Trump was America's Hitler, and then immediately joined him when offered the slightest bit of power. Seems like he'd easily make a deal with the devil.
The Biden administration asked Facebook if they were willing to remove Covid-19 disinformation from their platform in 2020. They did not mandate it; they respectfully asked if Facebook would consider this, and the company agreed, starting to purge QAnon nonsense from the platform as much as possible. Captain Eye-Liner considers this censorship.
I wish Tim and Kamala would press this point harder. Vance and Trump have an indefensible position, and I realize about a third of Americans don't care at all, I think there's a lot that would be less likely to vote Trump if they better remembered what J6 was like.
Tim should have asked "Are you worried that Trump will call for your execution to a frenzied mob of zealots the way he did with his previous VP?" And keep pressing why Trump is the first to run for a second term with a different VP for the first time in almost 50 years (1976)
Save it for November. There's over a month to go before the election, most people vote in-person (especially the "undecideds"), and our collective attention span is a few weeks at most. As long as the campaign isn't floundering, one should save the best for last. At least, that's the way I see it.
That's the thing. A good portion of that 1/3rd of Americans feel like Jan 6 was justified. Vance is a good yes man, and why he's the VP pick for Trump. Watching the debate he seems like a more coherent person. But just a spineless sack of shit that regurgitates the crap coming out of cheeto's mouth. If funny to watch Vance at times looks at Walz as he's talking policy. It's like his internal monolog is "Shit I'm gonna vote for Walz now"
Walz also stated that the reason Pence wasn’t there was because he said “no” to Trump and certified the election for Biden. He went o. To say that Vance wouldn’t say “no” and there would be no stop gap for Trump trying to steal an election
I disagree. It seems like most people are under the impression that J6 was JUST the riot at the capitol. Not many are aware of the Eastman memos, pressuring pence, Raffensperger calls, and in particular, the fake elector scheme.
From what I've seen in online political spheres/videos/livestreams, is that for even conservatives, once they see all the evidence, a lot of them change their minds as they simply werent aware.
But yes, there are plenty of bad faith actors who knew and ignore anyway.
A lot of typical conservatives, thinking J6 was just the riot, doubt the "overturning democracy" claims because the riot alone is not sufficient to justify that charge - they are unaware of any of the behind the scenes stuff trump did.
I hope to fuck that Imgur doesn't downvoted this for going against the grain. The info here is incredibly useful to fight against trump voters, and could probably change their minds. Their media outlets don't speak of these things and some but the most cultist like could probably be persuaded.
Yeah 100%. Im really confused why MSM doesnt talk about the fake elector scheme more, its pretty damning for trump.
Sure there are people that will remain ignorant. My dad is one, ive tried explaining before and he doesnt listen. But most of my conservative friends my age, when I lay it all out, the whole scheme, they go A) "i didnt know that" and B) "holy shit i cant believe trump actually did that. He really did try to overturn the election"
SnakesInBowties
DarkwingDuc
He has a concept of an answer.
PsistormIkura
Nevermind that really important question, instead let's focus on [random made-up issue]
DodgyMerchant
He's utterly sold out once. What's to stop it happening again?
Cavalrysword
If you kept score, you noticed that Vance did not answer most of the questions. He said words, but not in response to the question.
baldpope
While I appreciate trying to mess with them on this point, is it really worth the effort? It doesn't matter 4 years in if they want to admit it or not. What they need to push home is whether or not they will accept the votes that are cast in the 2024 election. If they won't admit to that NOW, then we might as well prepare for the worst come November 6th
ApplebeesOfficial
Its easy to say "I will accept the votes" and then not accept them when you don't like the outcome. But their refusal to accept the outcome from 4 years ago blatantly shows that they won't accept the next one either.
UsernameMayBeSubjectToChange
Like trump, he's all about deflection. Don't answer any questions, just move to another subject
deaththeunholy
In meme format as well
Glalev
The faces Walz made while Vance was spouting gibberish are so good. He's such an honest man that you can see his bafflement.
Fjorkvar
well obviously. he is running under the banner of the guy who refuses to admit it. you can't be his running mate and then just undercut one of his biggest standing points. Inwardly I am sure he knows Trump lost, and probly wants to say that he does acknowledge it, but he has trump backstage watching and knows he would be screwed if he said as much. spineless in the name of self preservation
KnifeKnut
THEN TALK ABOUT IT ASSHOLE
Eidodk
That simply HAS to be a complete brain fart. You can't be THAT transparent. Saying "I'm focused on the future", and then IMMEDIATELY asking about the past, is the DUMBEST argument i have EVER heard.
bourbonandbaddecisions
Vance said we would not have certified the election. Meaning as VP he would ignore his constitutional duties and he would not do his job certifying the election. This alone should be enough to disqualify him from serving as VP and should also disqualify him from holding any office.
finnwin
It takes a lot of practice to not answer a simple question and still sound somewhat logical.
QuanfaKibitzer
He needs more practice.
UsernameMayBeSubjectToChange
For quite a few low-IQ voters, this is enough
GalacticTacoTurtle
trippingthelightfantastic
PeaceBaby
I think this should be said more - even though it requires thinking on the part of people who just want to believe.
DingoDingus
Because they don't believe it either. They want to sow chaos in elections so they can cheat without consequence, that's all there is to it. They want people to doubt elections so when they seize power by force, their followers will say "yeah, they were cheated, they should fight back!"
wadatahmydamie
Yup. Along these same lines, nobody has ever accused Biden of being demented on the basis of an executive order he wrote, or a bill he’s signed.
rgraz65
He a bumbling Alzheimers sufferer, or he's an evil genius creating a masterful plan to thwart MAGA at every move. Somehow he is both to them.
killbillsexwife
JFC what a sell out cretinous asshole
PeaceBaby
Ohio, we could have had a sane, democracy-supporting, intelligent senator. But, nooo, too many of you had to have the misogynistic, racist POS.
spookymormonhelldream
I'd never seen cretinous spelled out, only ever heard it. And it took me way too long to realize you didn't weirdly misspell pretentious, hahaha
AnUnfortunateFreezeFrame
He looks really weirded out by Vance
Degarafarat
How do you fail a Yes or No answer?
HighQueenEmma
He was too busy thinking about that couch.
bobgunrunnersmith
Honestly, I don't care what anyone said at either of the debates. I'll never vote for the lying, rapist that steals from children with cancer.
Illinifan88
Unfortunately, there is an incredibly small number of people, like 4% of potential voters, who do still need convincing.
It's to the point where these people clearly think they are smarter than everyone else for doing their "due diligence", but they're fucking morons. Reading some interviews with undecideds makes it seem like they're the type of people that just love the smell of their own farts.
Sometimes it's hard to tell who is dumber between "independents" and Republicans.
Burke616
Honestly, if you haven't made up your mind at this point, what is going to do it for you?
barnwolf
Gotta hear that Khamala is commiting to invest billions of federal dollars into the place/job they work. Not socialism, they don't want charity, they do honest (unprofitable in a global market) work, they just want to get rich from it.
Illinifan88
Exactly... they just want the attention of being an "undecided voter."
Munchman347
The guy who brings up Hillary Clinton is 'focused on the future' and want's everyone to forget ancient history from three years ago...
Hovencl00f
Trump lost, asshole. Go focus yourself.
Cavalrysword
Vance is not slick, he's slimy.
graehall
Saw a headline claiming "While Walz was good on policy Vance was more Reaganesque with his smoothness" FFS Vance openly whined at the mods!
PeaceBaby
His smoothness? The guy has admitted to making up a story to hurt **legal** immigrants. Fuck him and fuck saying anything positive about this asshole.
graehall
Yep, the headline had big "need to find a way to make it sound like Vance was the one who won actually in spite of his fuck ups, ok let's claim he was like Reagan, and that he was smooth in his delivery!" but we all saw Vance was not smooth, his "bu bu bu bu, the rules were you won't going to fact check!" was stammering awkward childish petulant awkwardness & entitlement that will follow him for a long time
guntacular
The sickest burn of the night was when Tim said there's a reason Pence isn't up here
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
Because he know it make the orage turd oh so angry.
BanadecCamberbootch
I honestly think that Tim Walz kicked JD Vance's dick through the roof of his mouth.
goldenman
i totaly agree, how do you make a turd look good
unremarkableasterisk
The fuck is he going on about with the censorship rebuttal?
MaxPengwing
"hey Zuckerberg (Facebook) and Dorsey (Twitter), can you please stop morons from sharing stupid home remedies to COVID that kills people, we don't want people to inject bleach in to their bodies since the hospitals are over worked as it is and we don't need more people dying right now from something Trump said on TV".... "Yeah the bleach... that is being injected in to peoples blood streams.. mmhm.. and the pool cleener tablets should not be eaten. ever.... and the horse dewormer..."
BigDaddysMeatWagon
Basically anything uncomfortable that was asked regarding Trump's statements or actions he just didn't answer and talked about something else.
SquidBaitBadgerDroid
ontarioOT
It's the Moon Knight "Random bullshit, go!" meme, but now with the potential to be VP.
Eidodk
Showing how an airhead brain works. Saying "i'm focused on the future", while not even taking a breath, then asking about the past is an airhead move.
ilikepot8os
The GQP line is that the Biden administration asked (not mandated) that social media platforms remove covid disinformation that was frankly lethal. And much like in this debate, this fact checking was considered "censorship" by the GQP.
unremarkableasterisk
Ah, thanks!
ActionJohnnie
Confuse, redirect and attack with anything else.
countbassy
Don’t fact check me, bro
ActionJohnnie
Snack check me bro
darkchiron
Ask Vance too why he seemed to utterly despise Trump before he was offered a little power by Trump.
JCBalance
I feel like that should hit harder with Christians. The guy literally said Trump was America's Hitler, and then immediately joined him when offered the slightest bit of power. Seems like he'd easily make a deal with the devil.
XA10
Could somebody save me from tumbling down a nutjob rabbit hole. Why are they saying Kamala Harris silenced Americans in 2020?
GIRobot
The Biden administration asked Facebook if they were willing to remove Covid-19 disinformation from their platform in 2020. They did not mandate it; they respectfully asked if Facebook would consider this, and the company agreed, starting to purge QAnon nonsense from the platform as much as possible. Captain Eye-Liner considers this censorship.
PeaceBaby
Saving lives - not our thing! - Captain Eyeliner
ThrashAndChemistry
I wish Tim and Kamala would press this point harder. Vance and Trump have an indefensible position, and I realize about a third of Americans don't care at all, I think there's a lot that would be less likely to vote Trump if they better remembered what J6 was like.
torisenblack
Tim should have asked "Are you worried that Trump will call for your execution to a frenzied mob of zealots the way he did with his previous VP?" And keep pressing why Trump is the first to run for a second term with a different VP for the first time in almost 50 years (1976)
heartstarter
Call them Walz and Harris or switch to JD and Donald
ThrashAndChemistry
Fair point, I dunno why I wrote it that way in the first place
Corrodias
Save it for November. There's over a month to go before the election, most people vote in-person (especially the "undecideds"), and our collective attention span is a few weeks at most. As long as the campaign isn't floundering, one should save the best for last. At least, that's the way I see it.
manymadmasks
There's no one left to convince. We have had years of trials and reports. His cult doesn't care.
UserNamesArentEasy
That's the thing. A good portion of that 1/3rd of Americans feel like Jan 6 was justified.
Vance is a good yes man, and why he's the VP pick for Trump. Watching the debate he seems like a more coherent person. But just a spineless sack of shit that regurgitates the crap coming out of cheeto's mouth.
If funny to watch Vance at times looks at Walz as he's talking policy. It's like his internal monolog is "Shit I'm gonna vote for Walz now"
OldJedi
Walz also stated that the reason Pence wasn’t there was because he said “no” to Trump and certified the election for Biden. He went o. To say that Vance wouldn’t say “no” and there would be no stop gap for Trump trying to steal an election
ThisNameUnavailable
I disagree. It seems like most people are under the impression that J6 was JUST the riot at the capitol. Not many are aware of the Eastman memos, pressuring pence, Raffensperger calls, and in particular, the fake elector scheme.
From what I've seen in online political spheres/videos/livestreams, is that for even conservatives, once they see all the evidence, a lot of them change their minds as they simply werent aware.
But yes, there are plenty of bad faith actors who knew and ignore anyway.
ThisNameUnavailable
A lot of typical conservatives, thinking J6 was just the riot, doubt the "overturning democracy" claims because the riot alone is not sufficient to justify that charge - they are unaware of any of the behind the scenes stuff trump did.
farfie
I hope to fuck that Imgur doesn't downvoted this for going against the grain. The info here is incredibly useful to fight against trump voters, and could probably change their minds. Their media outlets don't speak of these things and some but the most cultist like could probably be persuaded.
ThisNameUnavailable
Yeah 100%. Im really confused why MSM doesnt talk about the fake elector scheme more, its pretty damning for trump.
Sure there are people that will remain ignorant. My dad is one, ive tried explaining before and he doesnt listen. But most of my conservative friends my age, when I lay it all out, the whole scheme, they go A) "i didnt know that" and B) "holy shit i cant believe trump actually did that. He really did try to overturn the election"