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"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King, Jr
Ghanfer
This is painful.
sdfq3gb23gb423g2
I can't tell who is talking to whom in these and who is denying what. The frame with bad syntax threw it out the window
sdfq3gb23gb423g2
This is my most upvoted post ever. Kangroosfromtazthetazmamiandevilsayingyay.gif
canibFrank
We're blaming human activity for this but isn't it really the dinosaurs' fault, if we're really being honest? I mean, "fossil fuels?"
MadKingsDaughter
No; it's ferns. Oil is not actually made from dinosaurs.
Dramacian
People sent others to the moon ? What for ? It's cold up there, the cheese won't even melt.
oZsh1rts
But but.. the moon's made of cheese isn't it ? I bet when they landed on the rocket thrusters turned the surface into fondue !
Dramacian
Don't be silly, the space mice would prevent them from landing.
MrMcGeeIn3D
Wuddel
Glorious. You need more upvotes.
IusedtobeapervertIstillambutIusedtobetoo
http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1362781743_uncle-ruckus.jpg
danceyoucandanceeverybodylookatyourpants
When you take Dayquil and Nyquil at the same time
J0HNNY7
That blew my mind
beaviswasthecuteone
It's really gonna fuck with nurses when he's older and goes into a nursing home. They're gonna be "holy shit he's having a stroke" everyday.
ItsDangerousToGoAlone
I couldn't stop laughing for a full 5 mins the first time I saw this image. +1
b1uece11
Star Wars and The Arrival, I'm glad Forest is back. Amazing actor. I digress.
HighSlayerRalton
Brian Cox is a good lad, calls people out on their bullshit, but politely.
Werewolflovr
I like the part where it mentions the head of the Senate Committee on Technology and the Environment doesn't believe in Global Warming
ThePowerOf42
GentlemanScientist
SammySilence
And he's in the Senate here... with 3 other people like him. It's gonna be a long three years (at least)
Iaimtomisbehave
CliffyWeevil
Fukken saved.
RynoFlametongue
You can play chess with a pigeon... But it'll just knock all the pieces over, shit on the board, and strut around like it won anyway...
TheBeardedDragon
Professor Brian was actually surprisingly patient in this discourse; can't really tell from thse gifs but he wasn't as direct as he could be
AussieCunnyFunt
vjzemidichlorianhunter
I'll save this gif for later purposes
astridsSAM
Spearka
well, there is the Professor....
FrankJ7
They're not stupid, they're bought.
Thorsmightyarse
Aye, I wish we just called it like it is more often.
4MR4S
You guys should go on Google earth rn and look for the North Pole. These are 2016 satellite pictures and it's basically gone. Maybe I'm 1/2
4MR4S
Looking at it wrong or sth. But it seems to be just gone almost Entirely...really frightening..
blurgh
*shows empirical evidence* "There is no empirical evidence!"
raptorheyzues
Serious moment. Manipulating results is a very serious issue with publication. As is publishing positive results the majority of the time.
CorneliusBreadington
Knowing these people exist and that climate change is real.
OriginalAndWitty
They way we keep going, the planet won't be habitable anyways. But as long as our profits are up, who cares about our grandkid's grandkids.
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
So why not go? He has a spaceship. Hubert represents people in modern times that wish they didn't live in their own country but still stay
MaximumMarks
+1 for calling him hubert. But he did actually leave earth in that episode.
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
Sweet :) I'm glad I forgot. Just a little longer and I can fully enjoy most of the series again without remembering the plotlines :D
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
(ofc even if I remember the plotline I'll still enjoy the episode ;p )
Kythorne
He wasn't refuting landing on the moon, in fact neither of them were. Brian was just testing his beliefs.
zork312
Whats gas lighting for 100 pls
GilderoyPopDropNLockart
As a resident of Missouri I'm ready for the ocean front view.
Superchao
Yeah the drive right now is entirely too long
doctorbees
Congrats on your new hurricanes.
raidleadergutts
Oh what a day! WHAT A LOVELY DAY!
RainbowRhino
https://youtu.be/WRu_-9MBpd4
Grapejuicy
As a fellow Missouri resident I too would love to have fresh fish in grocery stores.
HappinessIsaColdPint
I don't know if it'll get that far, but I'll definitely see you guys down in Arizona Bay.
haybringer
Already training in diving to move to the Maldives.
SuperiorPosterior
As a resident of Washington I'm glad I live near a tallish mountain. Might be able to snag it before someone else does.
usedvolley
He's from Queensland. The Texas of Australia ...
Counterfit
Australia is already Texas of the world, so that's pretty crazy
skells146
Being an oil state with no real fauna and flora to be affected most of us here just don't care as long as we get paid.
TheWiseAlaundo
That is pretty unfair on Texas
usedvolley
NeckheadsBFF
As an American this comparison helped me completely understand. Thank you!
usedvolley
sweetmesquite
I'd say it's more of a Florida/Texas hybrid.
fdisk
That's a perfect storm of stupidity...
doodybird
Pretty cool moire interference pattern on your thumbnail.
yougloriousbastardyou
For all those claiming the Middle Ages were warm www.skepticalscience.com/medieval-warm-period.htm
edgareplekjekk
Why do you think Greenland was called green of it was as cold then as it is now?
Cinnfhaelidh
They called it Greenland to trick people into moving there ;)
CarcharodonCarcharias
In all seriousness though, it was named after a person. It's just coincidence.
GrinningCat
Nobody really knows. It was always icy though and the most credible theory is that Erik named it something nice so people would move there.
GrinningCat
Colonies, after all, need an influx of people. Although, it wasn't really a colony, as he was exiled.
lurkaholic
He’s got a graph!
Iburntmytongueontea
The irony that Prof. Brian Cox was in a band famous for a song "Things can only get better" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIj-6fr2SlI
hypraktiv
he's smarmy little assbag know-it-all
lurkaholic
But he’s got - a - GRAPH. You can’t beat a graph. Time to pack up and go home.
Joerusalem42
Holy crap! Brian Cox did a Q and A? I need to see it!
CorneliusBreadington
After hearing people deny scientific evidence of climate change.
youtah
11 Minutes 40 Seconds
youtah
17 minutes is where the NASA part happens
PenisOfDeath
Too much money to lose if we turned away from our current forms of energy, that's what's wrong.
CarcharodonCarcharias
The funny thing is that there's no shortage of renewable energy sources, by definition, really. It's an economically efficient industry.
ChaosandChaos
Right? There isn't a discussion. You can't have an opinion on a fucking fact, unless it's "man I hate that fact."
Ohaern2
GW is not really a fact, it is a logical conclusion. Not quite the same thing. The facts are the things supporting the conclusion.
Ohaern2
I get really confused when people deny the conclusion but have nothing to say about the facts that got you there...
QuantumEntangler
Does he seriously think NASA are the only people "keeping an eye" on climate change ? Ha ha ha ha ha ha NASA are out to get us
Xelbair
did you misspell NSA?
QuantumEntangler
NASCAR
Fahargo
More importantly does Brian cox seriously believe we didn't land on the moon?
dweadpiewitwobbits
Thanks Onasa.
jontaylor07
NASA doesn't even do it, the organization is NOAA.
JollyJokzr
Thermometers have been all around the world for 3-4 centuries. It would be hard to cover up the results.
iamnotacatatall
If you watch the whole thing (fucking glorious) he thinks that NASA and the other agencies are colluding and conspiring to exaggerate etc
JadeNB1729
Dude, shut up, or the NASAssasin squad will get you.
TommyWa
Next question, what would NASA get out of a fake climate change?
retgarr
Institutional inertia, zeitgeist, etc
QuantumEntangler
They will get their budget cut year after year after year.... oh no wait thats already happened
MidlandRedux
That is the curse of modern discourse. You can't just disagree with someone. You have to accuse them all of being part of a conspiracy . . .
MidlandRedux
. . . As opposed to, say, someone who works directly for the coal industry and is using doctored and picked data.
QuantumEntangler
Doctored data is putting it mildly. They are worse than the assholes who tried to keep leaded petrol in the pumps
SmergTheDargon
That just made people dumb. Human-caused climate change deniers have the potential to literally end the species.
JustSomeEnglishGuy
Saying planet becomes uninhabitable, they get more funding to arrange colonising a new planet.
Ohaern2
Man they suck at this conspiracy stuff huh, not exactly swimming in money lately...
FckyourselfSarah
So the "whole new world of unowned property and resources" that's not enough for us?
GylfieTheOwl
Something about the government being able to rule over us with an iron fist under the excuse of climate change.
GylfieTheOwl
Which is silly b/c what does the government gain by making all cars >20MPG? They'd benefit more from bad environmental policies, surely.
TimeFoDat
Humans like to observe things on very small time scales and then judge other things that happen on very large time scales for some reason.
doodybird
People like to be progressive and indignant.
JJWoodSculpture
Exactly. But Bill Nye says it's so so it's so.
C0dewizard
Although you're right, we dont have to "judge" shit when 12,000 year old ice shelves are breaking up and arctic life is moving inland.
C0dewizard
scientists didnt "make up" GW, they are simply trying to tell everyone we're fucking up and it's going to cost us BIG time in the future.
Parradox87
i really cant hear that bullshit anymore... its just sped up and human IS NOT the reason for global warming... global warming has happened 1
Parradox87
long before humans were existent. it allways has and allways will be. we are close to the edge of a new ice age and that will happen 2
Parradox87
no matter what humanity does. the ice age may end up being a few hundred years earlier or later due to the co2 emission... but if u wanne 3
Parradox87
argue about saving grandchildren then keep in mind that the grandgrandgrandchildredn still are fucked via ice age no matter what you do
CarcharodonCarcharias
Actually, if we look at it on a huge time scale, the current change in climate is an unnaturally rapid and severe one.
TimeFoDat
I don't disagree, climate change is very real and very likely caused by or highly related to human activity. Did my comment imply otherwise?
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TimeFoDat
I was criticizing their narrow view of "It was cold last Tuesday, Global Warming is BS!". They can't look beyond 10, 100 or even 1000 years.
pallentx
Worse than sincere ignorance is willful ignorance
Fahargo
Which is ironic seeing as the climate change believer doesn't believe in the moon landing.
Ponden
Umm, what?
FuckYeahImAwesome
I could not upvote you enough
twfeline
That's a profound thought.
WillemHellfire
Thank you. I've been saying this for a long time now.
natabus
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" Upton Sinclair
thoep
Those are not mutually exclusive.
eetsumkaus
you cannot be sincerely ignorant if you are willfully ignorant. Willfully ignorant means you KNOW you are ignoring some sources
chettlar
Um, yes they are? The poster is saying just plain not knowing something is much less bad that chosing not to.
pallentx
Basically, though not exactly choosing not to believe it, rather chosing to only surround yourself with voices from one side only.
pallentx
You feel like you've made an intelligent choice, but you intentionally only give yourself the data you like to inform that choice.
chettlar
I believe that generally falls under willful ignorance. You are choosing to not know something, however you accomplish that
edwardcnc
Nothing necessarily wrong with sincere ignorance, as long as one is willing to learn.
applesforjuice
I know there's global warming, but I've met people who know Brian Cox and told me he's just publicity, doesn't actually any do science
applesforjuice
This is the people at CERN who actually did the research while he was really famous for working on it
BluBoxx
He can't have gotten a Ph.D with out having done research. Because he is primarily an educator does not mean he hasn't or doesn't research
applesforjuice
People told me he doesn't. People who work with him. That's all I said I have no opinion on the matter
BluBoxx
You've been lied too. Go on google scholar and search for Brian Cox. He still published research
UngratefulColonial
I'm working on my masters in disaster and emergency management. It's depressing what's happening to the planet and the measure we will need
SmellingThePsychosphere
Is it? But if everything went totally stable, your degree would be as useful as gender studies!
UngratefulColonial
.. To take to survive
MikeIkeeee
I actually wrote a paper on this in college. NASA did some shady stuff. Research before you bash a man's reputation over some pictures.
DaisyfromDownunder
He has no reputation; he's a recently elected senator who is a cretin.
rrlyrae
i wrote a paper in college too: "the effects of LSD on my roommate." only got a B tho.
raidleadergutts
What shady stuff?
BluBoxx
Former NASA employee and earth scientist here. Please tell me exactly what we did.
Queyonce
badass.gif
splitleveledmaroon
For the record, I think the moon landing was a remarkable human achievement. Just an innocent opinion is that I think it's magical
JGGennedy
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur Clarke
ProjectKurtz
Imgur likes to pretend that they're educated and knowledgeable, but they really just jump to knee-jerk reactions and mock people.
Yetiphobia
Well, this Imgurian is waiting for dude to respond to the former NASA employee up above about what he uncovered w/ his actually-wrote paper.
ProjectKurtz
I'm just gonna be clear here. I'm not making any insinuations as to who is right or wrong. Imgur just loves to jump to conclusions.
Yetiphobia
This comment clarifies nothing.
totallyruinedyourday
How about some sauce with those fries? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jguarSWDcrM
ditto12g
Thank you!!
cinsoniTe
What's the problem with you guys that you always spell it "sauce" instead of "source"? Is that some kind of mental issue caused by imgur?
relevanceisirrelevant
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arguss
Bless you, child, you're doing the Lord's work.
blcollier
Now with direct link to discussion: https://youtu.be/jguarSWDcrM?t=673
Textuality
Ugh, that guy is annoying to listen to. "No, you're wrong, it's all a giant hoax, because I once saw something that disproves it!"
Askerith
Dot for reference .
LonelyGuyOnAPlanetOf7Billion
Darn it. This was a totally awesome video. Anyone who has an hour to spare, please do watch it.
LonelyGuyOnAPlanetOf7Billion
Anything similar to those? I could really use something.
30SecondsToFail
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Bmxtucker
Love you
meridah
You should have more upvotes
patelp7
During introductions, I thought the second last guy was called "Greg Cunt"
coagmano
Straya!
ThisAccountThisOneRightHere
Thanks!
MilkMakesTheCookieWET
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AsinusAdLyram
OH MY GOD That white haired shithead makes me want to DRINK
ValorXY7
Awe, thank you stranger.
Mangomancer
thank you sir. keep up the good work.
MagicUmbrellas
Ty
rIOsK
thanks
LowSpeedHighDrag
Jesus that's a depressing video. The one scientist practically sidelined, and two politicians too entrenched in their own policy to listen.
WildCard321
That's alot of sauce for one meal
IsThisUsernameFreeYes
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zappyguy
No one is going to suggest iview? Unless that's geo-blocked outside Australia, if so, that is delicious.
iamnotacatatall
I would assume it is, given that all other ones like the BBC one are geoblocked :(
coagmano
Yeah iview is geoblocked
ToughTurtle
When does this part take place? Sorry I am on crunch time don't have time to watch it all but want to see it for later!
knlawren
Roughly 14 minutes into the vid
confessionbear2
The discussion starts at 11:00, the exact scene that @OP posted starts at 15:00.
Zechie
11:30 in the video
FerbErrger
FWD to 11:10 for relevant discussion
data2dyne
Thank you random internet stranger!
Bantapants
You're a good person.
zebil
Thx
badiie
Thank you.
Tofugosu
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Slaterson101
Doing the lords work ol chap
Aridez
u da mvp
notme222
Imgur is not the place for this discussion. I get the skepticism, but read the 2012 Berkley Earth report, it's what convinced me.
DrShrinker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNFwdpWwAQY
doodybird
The "muh progressiveness" and "muh environment" SJW capital of the world Berkeley? Yeah there's no way this could be biased..
notme222
The irony here has layers. Your own bias has cut you off before you even know who did the study let alone what their own biases are.
notme222
The main author is physicist Richard Muller. If you'd rather to research on his bias before reading the paper, feel free.
ajoutezen
Yeah, it's just, y'know, one of the leading institutions in science. But by all means denounce facts and research because tumblr offends you
Applefaces
Why is imgur not the place for the discussion? That's a weird thing to say
notme222
140 characters per comment, up and down votes which bury unpopular thoughts and create groupthink, anonymous unaccountable participants.
notme222
You haven't been around long. When you see comments that are factually wrong at +100 and the person linking to evidence at -50 you'll see.
KABARU
I'm on my phone.
IAmGodot
Convinced you in which direction?
UnfortunatelyTheHighKingofSkyrim
3 direction.
pokecrafter1551
one direction
notme222
I like how I encourage people to get facts instead of taking someone else's conclusion, and the response is "So what's your conclusion?"
akki14
I'M TOO LAZY TO FORM MY OWN OPINION. LET ME TAKE YOURS!
IAmGodot
That isn't a short paper and I have a lot of other stuff that I need to read. I was just trying to get an idea of which way the paper leaned
notme222
I will say that this study was run by people who thought there were flaws in prior studies and wanted to correct for them.
notme222
The pdf I linked is only 7 pages and it's easy to pull out the highlights. I understand TL;DR but I don't want to prejudice.
Inmate45
From your comment I meant you had been convinced to be skeptical; then I read the report... now I'm MORE TERRIFIED FOR THE EARTH THAN EVER!
notme222
Wait, you READ it? When I post a source I expect people to guess what it says and then take sides immediately, usually with namecalling.
notme222
http://static.berkeleyearth.org/papers/Results-Paper-Berkeley-Earth.pdf
darzin
Dooting to come back and read later.
Idontunderstandreddit
That has like at least 5655 words stretched over 7 pages!! Can you just sum it up for me in one word like, bad.
WhiteStalin
Doot
DVSBSTrD
30s and 40s were hotter than it is now? He does know the line going UP means higher temperatures, right?
MikeIkeeee
It went up because NASA manipulated the data that way. It's really not that hard to do.
DVSBSTrD
Yeah, "manipulated". Couldn't possibly be true, since you don't want it to be.
MikeIkeeee
I'm writing a post now to hush all of your ignorance
missleadinginiformation
Lemme know when it's up
squishybaker
brian cox is physicist, not a climatologist, so i'm feeling he might not be the best qualified person for this.
hypraktiv
oh boy you've done it now, how dare you!
timbukktrukk
But he's highly qualified to interpret data. He didn't do the climate science, but he's accurately representing the facts of the results.
FerbErrger
Certainly better than an engineer/MBA from the coal industry.
FnordGallop
perhaps, but in this case, he just needs to be able to read a graph.
Idontunderstandreddit
In fairness, that graph was probably altered as a conspiracy against the oil industry headed by NASA (known for faking the moon landing) ;)
MarkHughes
Maybe, But he is quite good at cutting through bullshit too.
squishybaker
he is and he's very likable so that helps.
villlllle
Loved him on Wonders of the Universe. And Sunshine's commentary track.
Applefaces
Daft thing to say really - even if he's not the most qualified, he's very far from the least
darzin
Because physics don't apply to climate?
itsthevoiceman
More qualified than someone who doesn't remotely work in any scientific field. Plus, Physics = Thermodynamics + Fluid Dynamics & more
astridsSAM
You don't need a science degree... you just need a brain... ;)
squishybaker
true, but brian cox ends up on everything which needs someone with half a brain.
astridsSAM
Fair enough.. :)
manimatr0n
True, but just because I love Dr. Jack Horner doesn't mean I'm gonna use him as a source on molecular biology or astrophysics.
BluBoxx
I'm a climate scientist. Could you explain to me why any physicist is not qualified on matters of thermodynamics and radiative transfer?
manimatr0n
I didn't say they weren't. I said backing up your evidence with "he has a PhD" is a shit argument based on appeal to authority.
ProfessorBlackHole
Seriously though. It's like these people have no understanding that many of the sciences are connected. :/
manimatr0n
You right, me dumb caveman wif no understand of science cause me raise point about "appeal to authority" fallacies
manimatr0n
So if you want to convince someone who isn't me, and doesn't buy into climate change, you have to do better than the Internet Atheist+
manimatr0n
+version of Charismatic Evangelicals using the bible as the ends justifying the means.
capnmal
To be fair, I've heard that individuals on both sides of the argument have manipulated/ skewed data to benefit their respective arguments.
itsthevoiceman
Sure, then consider them the margin of error. We then need to consider the following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg
BluBoxx
It beyond normal quality control and bias correction with out all of the other groups noticing 4/4
BluBoxx
For example, a thermistor breaks on a station and reads 999.99. Obviously that's not a real temperature measurement & needs to be removed 2
doctorbees
Gonna need some sweet and sour sauce for that.
BluBoxx
There are several hundred data collection agencies and systems, and many independent groups that process the data. You couldn't change 3/
whitewater0034
The UEA in Britain did a lot of harm when it was revealed they were manipulating data, people remember the bad stuff more.
RedDwarfIV
It's a quote mine, basically. The word "trick" was used in an e-mail and people assumed it meant a deception.
BluBoxx
They didn't though. Jones was talking about tree rings, not climate data. And the problem they were discussing was already well known
BluBoxx
Climate scientist here. That's false. Scientists routinely correct data to remove bad measurements and to account for known biases in them 1
GTR16
ill throw the flag on that comment. there are hedge funds that trade spreads on CDDs or HDDs in nearby areas to capture incorrect 1/
GTR16
stations.. What might not be surprising is the areas they like to bet on are around major research institutions that get climate change 2/
GTR16
funding. Their meter reads are higher than nearby stations and the traders can arb the market. Source: have seen this happen.
BluBoxx
What does that have to do with whether global temperature data, which is measured by thermometers and satellite radiometers, and is 1/
BluBoxx
processed by multiple independent federal agencies in different countries across the globe, has been nefariously altered? 2/2
retgarr
What, you can confidently claim that no climate scientists have manipulated data? In the era of publish or die?
BluBoxx
I can confidently claim the independent data products available from over half a dozen seperate agencies and organizations and all agree 1/
BluBoxx
to remove bad values from broken sensors and to correct for known biases and problems with measurement methods in the data sets. The 3/
BluBoxx
within measurement precision are not influenced by nefarious manipulation. There are quality control procedures that must be conducted 2/
BluBoxx
Also, you seem not to understand this, but "publish or perish" only pertains to university professors, not federal researchers 5/4
retgarr
But there are university professors studying climate change are there not? And bias pertains to everyone including federal researchers too.
BluBoxx
Studying, yes, producing the globally continuous temperature and climate records? Typically no. Those are produced by federal scientists 1/
BluBoxx
at NASA, NOAA, USGS, DOE, EPA, etc... 2/2
BluBoxx
other satellite records of global temperature 5/2
BluBoxx
Alabama. One of them is a young earth creationist, the other stopped helping a few years ago. Even still, their record matches well with 4/2
BluBoxx
Except for one notable satellite record (UAH) which is processed satellite data by two climate change denying scientists at Univ. Of 3/2
BluBoxx
irony is that with out those procedures, the records actually appear much warmer..... 4/4
retgarr
You can certainly claim that the overwhelming evidence outweighs bias or intentionally corrupted data. I'll buy that. But I don't think 1
retgarr
side of the argument. So you can say "of course there might be intentionally corrupted data, but the amount of research is so vast that 3
retgarr
it's astronomically unlikely that enough data is corrupt to overturn current thought"
BluBoxx
I have personally ran those procedures on the raw data myself. Unless your telling me machines are now sentient, you're claim is false.
retgarr
you can claim that you know that no data has been intentionally manipulated. All problems must be faced, most importantly those on your 2
Acknog
And the dude in denial of climate change is a new Queensland senator
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PureBloodMuggle
It won't just be AUS getting nuked if trump gets in.
graehall
Queensland, if you live there for a bit, you can get why someone like him would come from there. Hot weather seems to make you act dumber :P
bootyfulb
oh good I thought this was an American again
valkyrie117
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Acknog
I'm glad this got my a convo starter trophy and not for some lewd comment
tinksparky
...where the Great Barrier Reef is. And we'll just let that sink in for a bit.
lambaroo
northern ireland govt had a climate change denier in change of environment for a while. can't say more so i'll just shake my head in despair
PigeonFace
We feel from you in the republic. We have triple charges for water in other taxes, then "how about water charges" and tons of broken eu laws
lambaroo
well, that's one good thing...our water is still charge free
PhonySoprano
Considering it's not true, can't be surprised some people don't believe it.
JohnnyTitelips
Yeah America gets a lot of shit for its politics but the only real difference in that area between us and other countries is that (1/2)
JohnnyTitelips
we're important enough for everyone to pay attention to our crazy shit.
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
When people migrate from Victoria to Queensland, the average IQ goes up in both states.
AllMyPlantsAreDreaming
Given it's hot af in Australia during summer, you'd think he'd at least take a pause for the cause
MetalSkeletal
As a Queenslander, can confirm, this is the base level of retardation required to be a Queensland politician. Look up VLAD laws as well.
Macroscopic
*Violent Lesbians Against Dachshunds
aussysadmin
It would be Queensland
Seanthombbomb
Where's new queensland??
notaballoon
Oh no, it's spreading
SayIAmYou
Double dissolution, woo-hoo! Double your chances of getting a total whack job into the Senate
PostmodernSemanticQuagmire
PAULINE HANSON.
thatslotmachineguy
Who elected him
LanceCrossfire
A total of 77 people. He got the senate position thanks to preferences from other parties.
semirelatedcomments
NASA
SmergTheDargon
A bunch of twats.
notsureIwanttodothisjustyet
Who got in thanks to his place on the party list, as opposed to the 70-something votes he recieved.
SpoilersAreAPathToTheDarkSide
You have to wonder what the fuck QLD was doing when they voted these idiots in?
aussysadmin
Just remember the same state voted in Clive Palmer in the last election.
aussysadmin
Just remember the same state voted in Clive Palmer in the last election.
aussysadmin
Just remember the same state voted in Clive Palmer in the last election.
aussysadmin
Just remember the same state voted in Clive Palmer in the last election.
aussysadmin
Just remember the same state voted in Clive Palmer in the last election.
esquilaxhunter
That's dissapoint, between him and Hanson. QLD is actually terrible with their choice of senators.
JohanGracious
Let's not forget Clive fucking Palmer! He was kinda like the Trump of Australia, just less overtly racist, like an eccentric rich uncle.
esquilaxhunter
Forgot he existed! My local member is Dutton, The idiot who said people who migrate here are going to both be illiterate & steal our jobs
esquilaxhunter
But you are right. Clive is a flog and a half.
SarcasticComment
we feel you. Watch a meeting of the USA Energy and Technology Committee. It's depressing watching representatives fumble basic science
KnightOwl23
Don't feel bad in a minister in the Irish government said global warming isn't real God changes the weather he used Noah's ark as a example
comicreader
That there isn't science.
JasonWaterfaIIs
Religio-tainment
comicreader
That's a good one. I thumbs up you.
CarcharodonCarcharias
It's Australia, what do you expect?
Bambing
Australia is the best
CarcharodonCarcharias
In terms of government, the Australian one is about as efficient as the passing of energy to a higher trophic level
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
Are you from Indonesia and pissed off with the thousands of irritating tourists, or north island New Zealand?
CarcharodonCarcharias
Just a Brit who pays attention to international politics, for some reason. Australia has had a laughable government for ages.
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
I can agree with that. As a scottish australian I'm hoping something happens that causes us to call on The Queen to dissolve parliament.
jsktrogdor
As an American, I'm really happy that Australia is around to make our politicians look a little less insane.
geeroboz
Haha keep kidding yourself champ
JohanGracious
QLD is like the the same as America's South. There has to be a correlation between heat and white people's prejudices and ignorance.
Bambing
I think American politicians enabled him to think he was right. It's so socially unacceptable to say what he just said in qld
jsktrogdor
First you steal our muscle cars, then you steal our BBQ, now you steal our insane politicians. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Bambing
Hahaha exactly
jsktrogdor
1/2 If you really want to impress us, you're going to need to start a few wars with the redcoats.
jsktrogdor
2/2 Get that old bitch off your money. Don't worry, we'll back you up.
Chank
Hahahaha, dude, yours is definitely worse
ElbowdeepinElmo
Send that guy to a glacier or send him some pictures of the change in the last 100 years...well, maybe he'd say the NASA stole the ice
Flyndaran
"This ice is gone, but it's more than made up for ice way over there where I can't see." You can't disprove emotion based belief.
SmergTheDargon
To morons, feels shall always be greater than reals.
JohanGracious
From Australia. Can confirm. This guy is just the entree, look up Pauline Hanson folks. ;-) That main meal will give you indigestion.
SmergTheDargon
I already feel nauseated!
carebearsandstares
First world global warming believers, contributes 80% CO2, over consumption, cars, dirty electricity, homes, ya tell me you really believe.
cynoclept
On a different note, Ewan McGregor 8D *drool* I have a thing for amazing actors.
memento765
This is why we need scientists, engineers and people with common sense in the political field.
RightInThePleb
Lol no theres a reason they stay out of politics. They leave it to the politicians
snaeksikn
The senator in question is an engineer haha. In my experience engineers are some of the worst climate change deniers I've met.
cleverbeans
They'll never be elected though. The truth is deeply unpopular.
notaballoon
If scientists are so smart how come they ain't rich??
zebil
Need people who use science and data to make decisions not belief's
DildoSwaggens
You wouldn't like what they have to say.
Flyndaran
Common sense is what they politicians use. Obvious "blank" is often wrong. Science is almost opposite to common sense!
aPurpleLiger
No, we need politicians to trust scientists and engineers. Scientists and engineers would be as bad at anything outside their specialty.
Radix865
Looking at the modern politicians...can we try having scientists there, they can't make it much worse.
WhatzitTooya
But since we go for popularity and not for qualification, thats not very likely to happen.
MikeTheCabbie
That's called a "Technocracy" look into it
friggentodd
No one with common sense would go into politics
jazzhead
Right. Except Bernie, and look at him now...
kongfuchicken
Bernie's last message to his audience before he knew he'd lose it was actually "Go into politics! Become the change you want to see."
pobody
thats right, I have work to do. no time to muck about in politics.
memento765
They wouldn't want to but it would be like sometime with OCD going into a dirty house. It's going to get cleaned
joeynew
Or they get blackmailed, bribed, or discredited by the same people they are trying to oust.
Textuality
There have been attempts by good-intentioned politicians. They either don't last more than one term, or get corrupted by the system.
geckomama
I work around plenty of scientists who are heartless, power hungry, and a few that don't believe in global warming. It'd be just the same.
Flyndaran
Scientists aren't a different species. They're just as prone to idiotic emotion based belief as everyone else.
geckomama
Exactly why I commented. Just because someone is a scientist doesn't mean they are somehow better
Mistrblank
I had a geologist professor in college that insisted it wasn't real. I still don't know what to believe, he had a very compelling argument..
Mistrblank
...Interestingly it's not any of the arguments that side presents on a regular basis. He also believed there's nothing wrong with what...
Mistrblank
climatologists recommend we do because it's just good sense for human welfare, so he refused to fight as a climate change denier.
Thepurpleelephant3
I'm a geologist who works with another geologist who doesn't believe the link between CO2 and temperature.
Thepurpleelephant3
It's absolutely baffling.
Flyndaran
That's what's great about science. It's true regardless. But why would geologists know anything about climatology, for example?
BluBoxx
There are still some geologists who don't accept Plate Tectonics....
SkittlesTheCat
He's not even the worst one from Qld
HoneyBadgerSC05
Yet he somehow managed to get in with just 70 votes
MermaidLamby
Please explain
VeyaVictaous
Queensland the florida of Australia, double the gator size and half the intellect, you got your self queensland
SkittlesTheCat
Pauline Hanson. Look up her One Nation Party (they're actually from the same party, but I consider her even more of a moron)
Smilemoar
She is a literal relic from the past, yet sadly she is more popular these then she was back then ... :(
Nefel
Anon, Mermaid knows. PLEASE EXPLAIN is basically Pauline's catchphrase
MermaidLamby
Hahaha yup! :)
SkittlesTheCat
Haha I completely missed that
Satinsball
Their generation seems to me the majority who's in denial of it. My guess because they don't can't comprehend/admit they fucked shot up bad
crazymojomonkey
Trust me - your kids/grandkids WILL say the same about you, just on a diffeent subject
Mistrblank
It'll be the same subject, it will just be after this generation has become the rich. They'll be in power and wanting to protect their $$$
LogeeLassleyyy
The thing is, our generation is facing a huge amount of dept and poverty. This generation will only get rich through family money or a start
LogeeLassleyyy
Up that changes the world.
crazymojomonkey
Provided we haven't rendered the planet uninhabitable by then.
borgmaster
When my kid calls me up on shit ill do what my mother did and yell real loud until they cry and go to their room. Perfect planning.
raidleadergutts
Don't forget to follow them to their room and piss on their stuff to assert dominance.
borgmaster
That stuff costs money. Ill just take it back to my room until they learn to behave themselves.
WhyNotUncleIroh
Yeah pretty sure it's hard to top "fucked up the planet for literally everyone ever"
PigeonFace
Yeah. We were not born or were/are still kids while the planet's being messed up. What can we do that's worse, and still have kids?
LogeeLassleyyy
Since the world is overpopulated in certain places already, maybe we should start thinking about toning down the amount of children we have.
TheFoxCouncil
"Elected Donald Trump"? Though that's pretty much the same thing...
DukeLetoAtreides69
(1)I wouldn't be surprised if the spike in the 40s is connected to the huge ramp up in industrial activity for the war effort
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MrMcCookieMuffin
Ignore this im blind
erst
Half right. Increasing sulfur emissions (volcanos + humans) in the 40s caused a temporary cooling. El Nino in 1939 contributed to spike.
howdoyouspellpretentious
Yes! Thank you smarter person with knowledge
YeahWellAboutThat
Not to mention a lot of that activity went into products designed to go boom and burn shit.
GrizzlyWicks
i dont really care about GW i dont know much about it but it would be cool to have an electric car and a self powered house
Electricfox5
Either that or from WWI, got to account for lag time.
qaaaaa
An argument I've heard is that data is manipulated by China to force US companies to go green, becoming non competitive. I don't buy it, but
qaaaaa
It's plausible.
TheBeardedDragon
Many conspiracy theories are plausible but don't have any evidence to support them - that's the real criterion
oneoldman
Eh, given the rate of change and normalization I'd guess solar activity or regional bias,have to check the data. Why the mean is important.
cinsoniTe
You don't say. Nobody would have ever thought of that globally influencing incident if you didnt mention it. Thank god.
MASSIVESPACEMONKEY
I prefer the spike in the nineties. He rocked the long black leather coat.
Svartsinn
There's a major time lag on CO2 emissions and global temperature, but methane for example can have a faster impact.
80percentlegs
Correct! But not a very lasting effect. Over 100 years, CH4's impact as a greenhouse gas is less than CO2's, much less If I remember right.
MerToo
Yeah they included the temperature in Hiroshima at 8:15am in the average =/
OptimisticDownvoteLover
Correct
UrbanMilk
Also AFAIK dead bodies effect this too. Can you imagine just how much more of them was during that period?
NedwardFlandypants
2/2 this goes a bit more in depth to record Temps just in the states. Data is from NOAA/NCDC. Nothing from nasa :/
marray98
The graph is for ocean water surface temps during WWII the temp were taking by the engine room instead of the deck
BluBoxx
No, that graph is surface air temperatures. The sea surface temperature records were corrected for different collection methods back in 2004
nrcole
There's a delay between emissions and climate response. Warming now is the result of activity from decades ago. tl;dr: s'gonna get worse
GoCorral
Bombings might cause the drop afterwards where dust blocks out the sun
BluBoxx
Impact end 3/3
GoCorral
Didn't that regulation only start within the past 30 years though?
BluBoxx
The first regulations were set in the 60's. Remember this is GLOBAL, not just the US
BluBoxx
It's totally black from the soot and other aerosol pollution (which muted some of the warming). After clean air legislation you see the 2/
BluBoxx
Not bombings, but industrial aerosol pollution. Early industry was extremely aerosol intensive. Look at historical pictures of Big Ben 1:
Mavgurian
Very curious why this is getting downvoted.
GoCorral
I dunno. The 40s were alarmingly cold. Partially why there were so many casualties on the Eastern Front. Bombs can't have been only factor
equityforpunks
No, it's not. That would have not been a spike, but a ramp up. More likely change in measurement accuracy, volcanos/forest fires/sun/el nino
RandAIFlagg
The industrial machine scaled back down to pre-war levels following the war.
NedwardFlandypants
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/14/newly-found-weather-records-show-1930s-as-being-far-worse-than-the-present-for-extreme-weather/ 1/2
DaRealOP
I saw this graph during a lecture at Uni last week and that was the consensus that we reached amongst students and our lecturer too :)
seentoomuchdeath
What consensus, that man didn't land on the moon?
UnfortunatelyTheHighKingofSkyrim
Obviously we didn't land on the moon. The moon would have to be real for that to happen.
JamesBondMegacorn
Well, by saying uni I'm assuming not a US citizen, so no, THE didn't land on the moon. Haha
JamesBondMegacorn
They*
JamesBondMegacorn
Come on people, it was a joke. The haha was supposed to denote thay
JamesBondMegacorn
That*
FuzzyBwalls
And burning millions of bodies probably wasnt too good for the environment either
ozzybear01
I didn't want to be the one who did this
khora
Killing millions was probably good for the environment.
trujello2013
Yea but burning the bodies was still a bad idea. Kind of the only option at that point though
Jamesnake1990
Wait are you saying the Jews did this???
warick
What haven't they done?
isupposeillregister
ohhhh. Dark. I like it
littlemirrorsatourfeet
Even if you don't believe in gw, why not still try to improve the environment? None of this makes sense to me..
warick
The air is cleaner now than it has been since before the industrial revolution. CO2 is a great boogeyman for some reason that defies logic
warick
*in first world nations
WLAFadeaway
Cuts into corporate profits.
thebakedpotat0
If they don't believe it's true, what would they believe that they have to improve? Sure they'd say the environment is just fine right now
drfarren
Because muh monies and liberties!
ItsUncleSam
Ehh, the environment doesn't need saving, it's just gonna kill us off and then come back. I just need it to be good for another 60 years.
SomethingOffensive
Clean air is fine. It's when climate change is used a silly reason to over regulate businesses. That's when I get pissed about it.
retgarr
Because there are substantial costs to emissions control, climate change prevention, etc. So they believe bearing these costs is pointless
crowey92
worst case scenario you have a more efficient, cleaner planet
TehHammer
A) Industrialism is the greatest poverty fighter, ever. B) The party that wants it limited(in US) happens to benefit from people in poverty.
JonathanHoag
You're right, Republicans represent people that profit from poverty. But, also, the Democrats rely in large part on votes from the poor 1/2
JonathanHoag
who rely on welfare, which the Democrats support and the Republicans fight.
Californiasnow
Poor countries are often not the most clean places. Prosperity allows people to worry about the environment & not how to feed your family.
Disenfranchised
Ever heard the phrase "Don't shit where you live". We are literally doing that.
SudoNimm
Because they don't believe changing energy systems will improve the environment. Also, there's a lot of $ involved. Political donors, etc.
szepasszony
Denial is easier. Accepting that we're to blame for mass extinctions & fucking up the earth for our grandkids is a heavy weight of guilt.
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Its the way they want to improve it. Elites get richer & have no impact, others suffer. Plus we get Enron style mgmt of energy = corruption.
kongfuchicken
Oh they believe it. They are just pretending not to so they can scramble into short term profits and they'll be all "fuck yall I got mine."
superafleck
because money.
tehzpoon
The people who don't believe... don't give a shit. They don't believe because they don't care enough to think:
tehzpoon
"Even if it's not real, the possibility of it being real is worth us all making a huge effort." They just want to keep the wallet bursting.
TinyFaceWiIlSmith
People in third world countries CANNOT AFFORD anything other than fossil fuels.
MageOfRage
But it won't be that way forever, and there are still things we can do to help.
RandAIFlagg
Oil.
SmergTheDargon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xSaupsPnA4&t=4s
FoolMeTwice
That's the icing on the cake, we are burning a non-renewable resource that has lots of other potential uses.
JonathanHoag
Potential uses? Petroleum is absolutely critical to every part of our economy! Our agriculture requires it. And we're fucking burning it up
TheMrGUnit
It's the attitude at this point. Anyone who even questions the data is called a moron, despite valid concerns that may exist.
bigbloobear
100% Agree. He might have a valid data oriented conclusion but no one is willing to entertain a dissenting opinion against the current dogma
Gibramovic
Your argument is that knowledge is as good point as ignorance?? Because that's what it seems when you question the data
TheMrGUnit
But anyone who even raises questions is being told that they are wrong and a fool because SCIENCE. It's blind faith, which is not scientific
TheMrGUnit
Not ignorance, questions. Part of the scientific method is questioning the results, and questioning the methods.
Gibramovic
Yes , to question the mainstream is part of progress in science but only if it's not skewed and has the correct data to proof it
Gibramovic
I mean, if you keep questioning that 2+2=4 and you want to proof it wrong then you invent a method to 2+2=5 it doesn't mean you're correct
Californiasnow
Some of the solutions to 'improve the environment' are very expensive, erode freedom, and empower unaccountable governments.
eirebadboy
Because to make improvements costs money and who wants to waste their money on making other people happy?
TinyFaceWiIlSmith
Please see my response to TheStorkasauraus.
bigbloobear
It's not economically efficient - the world is better off using the efficient forms of energy & reinvesting wealth to create future wealth.
flapperfemmefatale
Yeah, most recommendations to fight climate change just make common sense. Why take pride in being wasteful?
ohdog123
Thats incredibly naive. The world literally runs on oil and coal. What do you think would happen if we just force everyone to not use it?
flapperfemmefatale
Please tell me where anyone says we should immediately switch from fossil fuels
ScriptKitt3h
It's because it's politically, financially, or economically inconvenient for these people. They demonize science to try and get their way.
chupacabraattack
Money
Hoop66
Because it's a SCAM, by the godamn liburls
SomethingOffensive
It's a scapegoat.
davospurge
Yeah, even if the consensus is worse thing to happen would be we clean up the planet and the air, win-win
thestorkasaurus
Why think about the future when there's money to be made now?
bobbio86
Ding ding ding we have a winner
bigbloobear
It's not 'money'- it's optimizing wealth generated by using efficiency; that wealth is reinvested allowing us to reach new technology /1
bigbloobear
sooner and everyone is better off. E.g. Solar. An environmental concept; maximizing growth curves w/ respect current/future cost.
TinyFaceWiIlSmith
It's not exclusively about money. Solar and wind is far too expensive for third world countries to adopt effectively.
Sheepyhead
Because they haven't been worked on even MARGINALLY as much as fossil fuel.
zFUBARz
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/solarpower/11957337/Morocco-will-launch-Africas-biggest-solar-farm.html among others
TinyFaceWiIlSmith
According to the article, there are 3 plants being established: Noor 1 through 3. Each one will produce 160 MW, adding up to a total of >>
spacetimejockey
+1. Thats why Mars. Gonna be our terraforming experiment, the science will be fantastic and in turn save earth. So say I.
khora
We've already run the experiment and will apply it to Mars.
spacetimejockey
Nuke the poles? :)
khora
Yes! Though the more technical description was fission satellites over the poles.
Sebastan
Cuz then you don't get to maximize your profit.
zeethenomad
I've always wondered that. Just look at Beijing. That's what happens when you don't curb pollution.
WardSharlow
Exactly! What if it's all a hoax and we make the world a better place unnecessarily?
bigbloobear
The environmental economics argument is that by deferring renewables, you create wealth now that is reinvested to create even more wealth /1
bigbloobear
in the future. We reach new levels of technological innovation sooner, and everyone will be better off - maximizing development curves. /2
bigbloobear
The debate is not whether or not gw exists, but rather what is the optimal proportion of wealth we should allocate to fighting it now.
WhoTheFuckisGavin
BLASPHEMY!
Selerox
Because the people who think that way will make less money. They care about their money more than their grand-children's future.
RaynWisp
I don't plan on having grandchildren, so fuck it... and I mean that sincerely. Fuck it and fuck you all.
critterfluffy
I have argued that even if GW is fake, creating a stable power economy with high growth and profit margins is only good for us.
Selerox
That's the bit I can't understand. It makes economic -and geopolitical- sense to switch to renewables. No more conflict oil and clean air.
MrCheezypoofs
Yeah, maybe some, but for most it's not that they think it's less important, it's that they think it's NOT important. 1/2
MrCheezypoofs
2/2 for example, why haven't you spent any money defending against the oncoming aliens? What if we end up making world safer unnecessarily?
sjokoladenam
Oh no, its retarded.
bigbloobear
It's not 'money'- it's optimizing wealth generated by using efficiency; that wealth is reinvested allowing us to reach new technology /1
bigbloobear
sooner and everyone is better off. E.g. Solar. An environmental concept; maximizing growth curves w/ respect current/future cost.
DukeLetoAtreides69
(2)not to mention nukes that were used. There is also a spike correlated to the first world war
BigAdam
All two of them. I'd betting the jews created more of a spike than the nukes.
Streubenhouzen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY
HighwayStar
nukes generally cause nuclear winters. Not nuclear summers.
UndeadDickCheney
Nukes actually lower the temperature. It sends dust into the atmosphere and reflects sunlight. Volcanoes too
Pegas868
Slightly relevant: https://mind-exchange.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/ambient-temperature-in-hiroshima.jpg
DavidB10001
Wow. That's rather interesting. I'm not sure how the temperature dropped that fast 1 minute later. It should have still been really high.
SubZeroWithAFever
He brings solid data to the table.
HeyMyCat
From all the Dukes we used.
SeriousCloud
That was WW1
HeyMyCat
Yep! That's m' joke :)
SeriousCloud
Great, now I'm that guy/
PlagueDoctorInDaHouse
You literally made me snort. Thanks for making my day a bit brighter!
tehzpoon
Your username. If I were high right now, if be losing my shit.
mikeatike
Of Hazard
VigorousButtstuff
Lots and lots and lots of explosions. Releases a ton of carbon and stored heat energy.
SomewhatOxygenated
Nukes didn't do very much, but the massive-scale firebombing of Germany and Japan definitly did something.
Seanspeed
Far more nukes were detonated in the decades following WW2 than the tiny few tested and used during it.
Streubenhouzen
Thanks. Was about to say that. I posted the youtube video timelapse for anyone interested. It's above.
Spidey209
Correlation is not automatically causation. Sometimes two things, unrelated, happen to occur at the same time.
NayrChastain
Like if murder rate and ice cream sales both increase during the summer. Lol I always remember that example from school
Spidey209
Your example is interesting because there is a third correlation that could be the causation i.e. hot weather
Spidey209
Oil prices in Texas and the length of mini-skirts in Paris is the one I remember.
CricketThomas
Yeah setting an atomic bomb off can cause a bit of a spike
Atomic2
In global temperature? Its about as significant as a fart in a stadium.
twozerooz
Nope. Our annual greenhouse gas emissions cause the equivalent heat build up of 92 million nukes every year
twozerooz
A single nuke does next to nothing to global heat
equityforpunks
A volcano eruption will do more to climate than all the nukes so far.
Mavgurian
Both might rather lower the global temperature by putting dust into the upper atmosphere and creating a "sun screen".
Rentaldog
So we just need to set off a volcano or two eh?... SCIENCE, MAKE IT HAPPEN. Just... over there, away from my house.
Mavgurian
NIMBY