I feel like this guy, most days. A man without a party. This guy had the balls to speak about the failures of the right, from the right. I try to speak about the failures of the left? Yeah, my "team" is just as open to the idea that some of their shit is evil, as any of the most ardent supporters of drumpf. Many of you (and they) will kill / die before thinking "wow, there's ONE group behind all of us fighting, and they're slaughtering Palestinians, right now, while we "F I G H T" #FuckTheFWord
You're telling me. I have voted Democratic since 2008. After the Tea Party formed around 2010 I was warning liberals that they had better find out what was making the right so angry and do something about it. Most common response was to brand me a right-wing troll.
We know what's making them angry: they're gullible and highly susceptible to misinformation and outrage baiting. There just isn't much that can be done about it, because the bulk of them aren't capable of telling the difference between fact and fiction at this point, and tend to believe only things that conform to the narrative in their head.
The left isn't too far off from that, these days. I've voted Left most of 25-30 years. I'm done voting. If you voted for the candidate that told you to " F I G H T" .. you voted for evil. Fuck the F word. Get the fucking F word out of politics. I know. Many of you're enraged to even see that. Because you've become obsessed w doubling down on hatred of "Them" .. so, whichever "Them" you purport to hate .. it just means you're actively in service of someone else's Them. "And the we'll turn 'round"
Sucks to have to rely on Democrats but look what Republicans are doing. If you choose not to vote they've won just as much as if you voted for them. Be angry, be smart
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value………. Thomas Paine
You should look up James Talarico he might be a candidate you like. I also get what you are trying to say and “othering” is bad….one party is actively engaged in dismantling the system and protections the system has One side has refused to engage in good faith to keep the illusion of progress up One side is currently doing very facist things I don’t like othering as we need to be able to stand with as many allies as possibly to turn the tide. You won’t get that by essentially saying “both sides”
tbf, I'm listening to the full speech on YouTube thanks to another commenter, and it is 18 minutes long. So it makes sense we don't get the whole speech here.
I'm sorry... op is up to something because they didn't post a link? That's a stupid fucking take. Maybe they didn't know the full link, maybe they just didn't bother, but up to something? Goddamn.
Fascism IS a type of authoritarianism. Not the only type, no; authoritarianism comes in several flavors. But fascism is one; it's in every definition of the word I've ever seen. (Well, one instead says it tends toward autocracy or dictatorship, but those are also flavors of authoritarianism.)
And THEN, there's the definition of 'authoritarianism' itself: "of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people".
The system in the U.S. is still democratic. But these actions are fascistic and thus will lead to authoritarianism and later an autocracy. That's why I placed the "yet" there because the mere action he describes and denouces is just fascism. All that you said is correct, but one step further along the way.
These tariffs, the mobilization of the National Guard, the ICE raids and kidnappings - the President is bypassing Congress and just doing these things. And now we're on the brink of war with Venezuela, also without Congressional approval (and the ability to declare a state of war is one of their explicit powers).
We're NOT still democratic. The officials representing us in federal government are being ignored. Any who even try to exercise their power are being censured by the Regime.
Well, you are. But you have a fascist government that's actively dismantling that democracy. To be fair, the last truly democratic president/government you had was JFK, who got shot for being one. Since then, your democracy was led by oligarchs. But they didn't dismantle the democratic structures of the state(s). Now, there is a fascist movement that does. And it is good to make those distinctions if you want to hold people accountable for specific actions later.
What he describes is "gerrymandering", not even close to fascism. Fascism means, one party, one person is in control of your TV, your Radio, your youth organizations, all your pasttime organizations, your social media, your workers unions, your enterpreneurs assiciation, your HOA.
Everything, every where your turn, there is the party, that one guy. That is fascism. You americans have NO idea what fascism is. The oven is only heating up, but actual hell will be hot as the sun.
Sorry, pal, but this is EXACTLY what fascism is. I am german, i was schooled on this in consecutive years in history. This is what Mussolini defined it to be and what he and Hitler tried to accomplish, which they did.
It is even in the name "Fascism" derived from the latin "bundle" which means to bundle all societal forces towards one goal, hence the takeover of everything.
Autocracy is, again, just a weaker more loose version of fascism and people still do not understand to this day.
Fascism is a movement, an ideology, a way of seeing things. Autocracy is a typ of government. You described a way of government - the one Mussolini and Hitler introduced through their fascistic movement. That form of government was an autocracy.
Maybe your teachers didn't make that distinction. I'm german as well, but mine did. So I know that it's not the same thing and that he describes the movement. It's not yet a form of government.
ishouldchangemynametosomethingcooler
Time for some good old-fashioned Streisand Effect
Clockworkdancerobot
Source https://youtu.be/r2bK5kmr1tM
ItsACrazyWorld
Fucking idiotic as all their meetings are video recorded so...?
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whiskycanuck
No, he said the country/state is authoritarian pretending to be a democracy by slapping that label on it (a democracy in name only).
Mahnahn
Ah yeah that true. I got the context wrong
AstrophysicsDork
I feel like this guy, most days. A man without a party. This guy had the balls to speak about the failures of the right, from the right. I try to speak about the failures of the left? Yeah, my "team" is just as open to the idea that some of their shit is evil, as any of the most ardent supporters of drumpf. Many of you (and they) will kill / die before thinking "wow, there's ONE group behind all of us fighting, and they're slaughtering Palestinians, right now, while we "F I G H T" #FuckTheFWord
SteveD31415
You're telling me. I have voted Democratic since 2008. After the Tea Party formed around 2010 I was warning liberals that they had better find out what was making the right so angry and do something about it. Most common response was to brand me a right-wing troll.
ArcUlfr
We know what's making them angry: they're gullible and highly susceptible to misinformation and outrage baiting. There just isn't much that can be done about it, because the bulk of them aren't capable of telling the difference between fact and fiction at this point, and tend to believe only things that conform to the narrative in their head.
glovelyday
The GOP the "defenders of free speech", but only if it agrees with them 100%.
MKUltraMega
MY FREEDOMS TO SAY THE N WORD WITH NO CONSEQUENCES
clonedeeznuts
Defenders of pedophiles but only every time
AstrophysicsDork
The left isn't too far off from that, these days. I've voted Left most of 25-30 years. I'm done voting. If you voted for the candidate that told you to " F I G H T" .. you voted for evil. Fuck the F word. Get the fucking F word out of politics. I know. Many of you're enraged to even see that. Because you've become obsessed w doubling down on hatred of "Them" .. so, whichever "Them" you purport to hate .. it just means you're actively in service of someone else's Them. "And the we'll turn 'round"
dontrike
That was a wild ride of gobbledee gook and crazy.
robcod
Sucks to have to rely on Democrats but look what Republicans are doing. If you choose not to vote they've won just as much as if you voted for them. Be angry, be smart
phoenix0path
"They want to kill your kids, but don't fight them. Don't even suggest it, or you'll be just as bad as they are."
Is a wild take, bro.
Check your ass into a metal health institution. You desperately need it. Ffs.
TheLastBootyBender
Please, tell us what speech the left has silenced. I'm sure we could use a chuckle
ih8clickb8
When you say you’ve voted Left most of these years, what do you mean by Left?
vwzzjxv6f9101
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value……….
Thomas Paine
whoeezthat
You should look up James Talarico he might be a candidate you like. I also get what you are trying to say and “othering” is bad….one party is actively engaged in dismantling the system and protections the system has One side has refused to engage in good faith to keep the illusion of progress up One side is currently doing very facist things I don’t like othering as we need to be able to stand with as many allies as possibly to turn the tide. You won’t get that by essentially saying “both sides”
WhatNumberPlease
Where is the rest?
arikelrecords2000
https://youtu.be/r2bK5kmr1tM?si=Cuw92Nfh1v0wHoR5
Zuegma197777
Republicans erased it... Read the title.
FvckinNailedIt
Fuckin' nailed it.
yougotredonyu
When did America exist?
koolahsama
when did yer shit-country exist ?
Jaimelee
That was the last thing I heard, not sure why you're being dv.
napalmEnema
for real what is this partial post tf.
infernalspectre
tbf, I'm listening to the full speech on YouTube thanks to another commenter, and it is 18 minutes long. So it makes sense we don't get the whole speech here.
whoatherebigfella
It only makes sense to you. @op must be up to something if he didn’t post a link to the entire video.
infernalspectre
I'm sorry... op is up to something because they didn't post a link? That's a stupid fucking take.
Maybe they didn't know the full link, maybe they just didn't bother, but up to something? Goddamn.
whoatherebigfella
Whatever, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Why he would think that his video is complete and able to stand on its own is beside me.
Cheerfulinsanity
Never assume malice where idiocy will fit
Waschbaerkoenig
What he describes is not (yet) authoritarianism, but fascism.
Misteree8
Eh, lets not quibble over labels when its an obvious direction we absolutely dont want even an inch towards.
DukeDarkwood
Fascism IS a type of authoritarianism. Not the only type, no; authoritarianism comes in several flavors. But fascism is one; it's in every definition of the word I've ever seen. (Well, one instead says it tends toward autocracy or dictatorship, but those are also flavors of authoritarianism.)
And THEN, there's the definition of 'authoritarianism' itself: "of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people".
Familiar?
Waschbaerkoenig
The system in the U.S. is still democratic. But these actions are fascistic and thus will lead to authoritarianism and later an autocracy. That's why I placed the "yet" there because the mere action he describes and denouces is just fascism. All that you said is correct, but one step further along the way.
DukeDarkwood
These tariffs, the mobilization of the National Guard, the ICE raids and kidnappings - the President is bypassing Congress and just doing these things. And now we're on the brink of war with Venezuela, also without Congressional approval (and the ability to declare a state of war is one of their explicit powers).
We're NOT still democratic. The officials representing us in federal government are being ignored. Any who even try to exercise their power are being censured by the Regime.
Waschbaerkoenig
Well, you are. But you have a fascist government that's actively dismantling that democracy.
To be fair, the last truly democratic president/government you had was JFK, who got shot for being one. Since then, your democracy was led by oligarchs. But they didn't dismantle the democratic structures of the state(s). Now, there is a fascist movement that does. And it is good to make those distinctions if you want to hold people accountable for specific actions later.
Tolocamp
What he describes is "gerrymandering", not even close to fascism. Fascism means, one party, one person is in control of your TV, your Radio, your youth organizations, all your pasttime organizations, your social media, your workers unions, your enterpreneurs assiciation, your HOA.
Everything, every where your turn, there is the party, that one guy. That is fascism. You americans have NO idea what fascism is. The oven is only heating up, but actual hell will be hot as the sun.
Waschbaerkoenig
No. That's would be an autocracy.
Tolocamp
Sorry, pal, but this is EXACTLY what fascism is. I am german, i was schooled on this in consecutive years in history. This is what Mussolini defined it to be and what he and Hitler tried to accomplish, which they did.
It is even in the name "Fascism" derived from the latin "bundle" which means to bundle all societal forces towards one goal, hence the takeover of everything.
Autocracy is, again, just a weaker more loose version of fascism and people still do not understand to this day.
Waschbaerkoenig
Fascism is a movement, an ideology, a way of seeing things. Autocracy is a typ of government. You described a way of government - the one Mussolini and Hitler introduced through their fascistic movement. That form of government was an autocracy.
Maybe your teachers didn't make that distinction. I'm german as well, but mine did. So I know that it's not the same thing and that he describes the movement. It's not yet a form of government.