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https://theintercept.com/2023/01/10/tesla-crash-footage-autopilot/
Using Tesla autopilot is like avoiding vaccines - I’d be a lot more comfortable with people who do it risking their lives if they weren’t so eager to bring us down with them
KnifeKnut
Yes, the self-driving system screwed up, but the driver also screwed up since he was supposed to be paying attention in order to mitigate.
RPCharImages
Those of us that either studied engineering, practice it or are in IT dont trust these things for one reason: We know how easy they break
tacotaco8288
If you believe in a teslas autopilot you’ve never seen a rumba try to get out from under a chair
SherMattLockSmith
NGL, I get a little sus any time a tesla is near me and try and get away from them.
everythingiscats
If they'd only stop calling it fucking autopilot! It's fancy cruise control, that's all!
cr4ckp0t2
AndrewBuggy
Guys Tesla randomly slammed on the brakes in the middle of a motorway while he was testing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EmmRYmBMzc
Lobo82
I've never understood how Elon loves to own the libs, but it's not conservative Republicans buying Teslas, or are they?
constructedid
trusting technology absolutely IS as bad as absolutely not trusting technology
wadatahmydamie
Especially technology that comes from a guy who keeps getting laughed at by people who understand technology
nopeSportsLifter
The Tesla driver wasn’t paying attention to their car...press the accelerator to kick it out of self drive...dumbass driver..
LenWeirdracin
Nanashi550
The only time I'd see automatic pilot work is if all cars used it. That's public transport already though, minus the automation.
Dasnekones
It does not take much for a self driving car to be a better driver than humans. Mostly because humans are terrible drivers too.
cosinewave
Some Tesla drivers are idiots enough to rely on autopilot
wadatahmydamie
At this point, anybody who pays money for a Tesla is a fool
rubypilgrim
Now he's saying we have to accept being implanted with machines or be left behind. We're all just expendable monkeys to him.
wadatahmydamie
Maybe he’ll do it first and the world won’t have to worry about it any more.
GlenL
The auto-pilot just decided to brake check someone, jesus
EricPisch
Auto pilot requires constant input from the driver, if it doesn’t get it it starts to beep, then the screen goes red and it screams at you
EricPisch
If it still doesn’t get it it brings the car to a stop, you have to ignore like 5 warnings
NSAgent
Tesla owner here with advanced autopilot. It is a helpful feature, it is not a replacement for paying attention.
NSAgent
Also my next car (In hopefully many years) will be electric but 95% chance it will not be a Tesla.
ensensu
Who programmed Teslas to kill kids?
BojanglesTheFlyingCar
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Thorbane
This looks more like a tailgating/attention problem than an autopilot one TBH. Looks like the 3rd tan SUV avoided rear ending at first.
BojanglesTheFlyingCar
it's an autopilot issue when it stops for no reason. The pileup is definitely due to non attention to the car infront.
Thorbane
At which point an entire circus of idiots proceeded to rear end them. And how fucking close was that idiot tailgating that Toyota?
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
3 million Pintos were sold, and 37 people died in fires and it was recalled. In the time 3m Teslas were sold, 70+ died in fires....hmmmmmm
TheS4ndm4n
Sause? Because I'm calling BS.
dbox
google 'pinto deaths' : 27 by official count, some estimates range up 500+
TheS4ndm4n
Yes... I'm talking about the Tesla stats.
wadatahmydamie
Dude’s a Tesla stan. Don’t expect objectivity.
Kjasi
I've been a Tesla Fan since the beginning... I've never wanted autopilot. I don't trust it. Never have.
trulsern
Its ok for your daily commute, so you know when it does stupid things. It usually does stupid things at the same places every day
trulsern
Very rarely, if ever, rabdomly
TheS4ndm4n
You're not supposed to trust it. It's adaptive cruise control with lane keeping. You still have to pay attention.
lewlzz
not here to be pro musk, but what the car did here, as described by the driver himself, it turned on the indicator, turned to the curb >>
dbox
Are you saying the car determined the left lane was an emergency lane?
lewlzz
and stopped; that behaviour is what the car generally does when the driver is not paying attention after it warns/beeps etc that the>>
lewlzz
driver isn't watching the road/isn't touching the wheel etc. ironically if the car were fully self-driving and didn't have that >>
lewlzz
requirement to keep the driver "active" it probably wouldn't have stopped. the people crashing behind were inattentive.
Emuc64
I sometimes get nervous using cruise control. Can't imagine using autopilot.
wadatahmydamie
This. I don’t even trust GM’s adaptive cruise control. Can’t imagine putting my life in the hands of the pedo guy
FuryFuryMon
theres tons of porn vids of ppl in tesla going on the highway and doing Bjs and sex fully relying on the auto pilot. JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL
EricPisch
You have to deliberately bypass the safety features of auto pilot to do this
FuryFuryMon
elon trying to get us ALL FUCKED
yakiudon
LasseReinbong
Weird chart. Modern cars need about 35-40 m to stop from 60mph. According to this, it´s ~55 m?!
mikeatike
Probably includes the reaction time.
LasseReinbong
With reaction time it´s 73 meters.
Humanfrenchfry
Yeah that requires people to not be idiots
icefire555
Once you get into a city, people will swerve around you to sit in your protective gap. sours: My car wants to follow at 2-3sec behind.
notacobra
I keep seeing values like this. I have stopped from 100km/h to zero in under 40 metres three separate times in my life.
mikeatike
Doesn't help you much when a broken Tesla suddenly swerves into your lane and does a full stop.
IMainReinhardt
On a completely unrelated note your username is delicious
yakiudon
Oh yeah
sosume
That stroller is subject to more consumer product safety oversight than any Tesla.
astrangehop
I bet the even the welds are way better.
cryborg
They both need oversight. I think his point was That Tesla is not getting enough (yet). We need to pay attention. (bothisgood.gif)
cryborg
People hate oversight & government regulations, etc., but the truth is corporations really do dangerous things to make money. 2/
cryborg
We do not have a choice. We need to watch them & occasionally hockey check them. 3/
Sageypie
True, but it's also the cause of this accident. Tesla autopilot swerved to hit a kid and caused a pile up.
msd3k
guitarfourtysix
"Occupant was using Self Driving feature brakes activated and it moved into the left lane, slowing to a stop directly in the second vehicle"
Vaenaemoenen
What i'm wondering is, where the fuck is the Tesla driver? Napping?
Justboredtobehere
Just watched the video in the link and this doesn't seem to be the case. Clear road and the Tesla just swerved and stopped.
Marsupialmessiah
Read the comment again, the car "imagined" a kid and swerved to hit it
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chapterhawk101
They were making a joke. It swerved "to hit a kid". As in, it was being malevolent.
StevesAPunk
Ooooohhhh …. Son of …. I gotta learn to read better.
Sageypie
Yeah. Making light of the reports about Tesla's supposedly not stopping for children. Was a big meme for a bit there.
dwolvin
That's why you have to agree to be ready to take over at all times. But also I agree it's not ready for primetime and most shouldn't use it
eightyearplan
https://2001.fandom.com/wiki/Daisy_Bell
Ninjainslippers
Google decided not to roll out self-driving cars for safety concerns. Musk said "fuck that, we're gonna be the first." Negligent disregard.
giordanom
Yeah it's not like they call the feature "Full Self-Driving" oh wait...
SometimesIFeelLikeAGenius
FAA recommended that pilots seldom use the autopilot. There were a number of crashes caused by pilots being caught in the headlights.
SometimesIFeelLikeAGenius
More on this in the first chapter (if I recall correctly) in https://g.co/kgs/q2zG7Q
The8obman
The other drivers on the road didn’t agree to SHIT but here they are
dwolvin
Nobody asks for drunk/impaired/stupid drivers, but they are everywhere.
baronnapalm
And they're illegal. Auto-pilot isont at all.
LordFancypantsicus
It. Shouldn't. Be. Called. Autopilot. Fuck the legal disclaimers, simply calling it that is dangerous and misleading.
LookingForWorkInColorado
People get told it isn't an invitation to close their eyes and hope for the best. What difference does the name make?
linkgenesis
And the people buying Teslas apparently aren't about details.
dwolvin
Agree entirely!
Comet260
FUCKING THANK YOU. Seriously. God, those marketing execs should be dunked in a septic tank. Repeatedly.
jennym123
Did Tesla's get worse or were they always this bad? I seriously could have sworn they were known for their quality awhile ago.
AK90
Tesla's have an average of 200 defects on cars that leave the line... every one else is under 100 xD
wadatahmydamie
One example is the Whompy wheels scandal - cheap aluminum led to struts snapping when they’d hit bumps. Tesla forced owners to sign NDA’s.
TheRealLouzander
Dafuq? How can you compel a customer to sign an NDA? (Genuine question)
Account3577
"We'll give you this big cash settlement if you sign the NDA or you can spend the next 20 years in court before you see a single cent."
TheRealLouzander
Oof, that sucks. Thanks for the response though. I learned a thing today.
wadatahmydamie
I recommend the book Ludicrous. They’ve always been terrible, but electrics are fun to drive, and people didn’t question Musk’s vision
TheS4ndm4n
Every Tesla crash gets national news coverage. And you get bonus points if you blame autopilot. There's 145 crashes a day in the US.
Vladraconis
Tesla's never were a symbol of build quality. Neither was their Autopilot ever meant to be a Fully Self Driving feature. But they named 1/
Vladraconis
it as such, and people started thinking of it and using it like that. And did not bother to actually read the manual, where it says it's 2/
Vladraconis
not. Each new update was more pompous than the previous one, so people started believing that it's their right to not pay attention when 3/
Vladraconis
driving.
Seanspeed
What do you mean by 'this bad'? This was caused by human error. Teslas also have fantastic safety ratings.
wadatahmydamie
This was caused by shitty autopilot. Teslas are notoriously unsafe.
CalvinMcFly
Thought they were getting great safety ratings also
wadatahmydamie
Hiding data from the feds by forcing customers to sign NDA’s will do that.
Seanspeed
They do. You're hearing a lot of misinformation surrounding anything Musk lately.
wadatahmydamie
They do, with a huge asterisk - they force customers to sign NDA’s in order to hide data from the NHTSA. It’s like Florida’s Covid numbers.
magister333350
Tesla was NEVER known for quality. I do some autobody/painting at a shop that does other repairs. Shit paint quality, trash build quality, +
magister333350
and literally zero driver ergonomics (touch screen all the things). Under-braked. Crappy suspension/steering tuning. The only thing Tesla +
magister333350
is good at is their supercharger network, if only for reliability. TEsla's themselves are not overly reliable. They're even failing their +
magister333350
first inspections in some nations, such as Germany, at a VERY high rate. EV's are awesome, just avoid anti-right-2-repair Musky's shitcars.
Johnsky
As a mechanic, auto braking and auto steering features unnerve me on any model. Not just for the fear of malfunction, but bad drivers become
DocWino
I don’t even like antilock brakes.
HoldingAccount
I use them but I don't trust them. They're useful in many situations but I'll take full control in certain situations.
AirshipNavigator
Heh. My Kia has cruise and lane following. Will quite happily drive me into a solid object at 90 kph. Fun!
NikkiHuskyMum87
As a driving instructor I feel very much the same
Perfekt
My 2020 Kia Sportage has lane assist. First thing I disabled. I couldn't go around a bend without it "adjusting" and making me swerve.
idowhat
I love auto braking at barrier machines. Not close enough - inch forwards - bang…. Breaks on & fuck you trying to reach that machine.
ucmlost
I recently watched my adopted sister take her hands off of the wheel and read the back of a package. Not even watching the road. She is a
ucmlost
bad driver. Put her behind the wheel of a car with these features and she is a horrifying driver. I will not ride in a car with her
ucmlost
driving anymore. She trusts these features too much.
Mugz
Hate feeling cars do something I'm not telling it to do. In my 89 Toyota that's a sign something's wrong. In something new it's a "feature."
atvcrash
Awww fuck i have to turn off lane assist in anything I drive.
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billstranger
Ever watch (i think it's called) "mayday"? Commercial airliner crash reconstruction show. A looot of accidents are caused by automated...
billstranger
Systems fighting against aircrew control, or systems the crew straight-up were never told even existed.
LerryV2
As an IT tech/Controls Engineer, anytime I see automation/tech I see all the times it breaks under perfect working environments.
Johnsky
Yeah, we see the same. Trouble with automotive engineers is they don't seem to be giving much though to fail-safe anymore. Which scares me.
LerryV2
People are willing to put themselves and others at risk to be beta testers and the law isnt stopping any of it.
Johnsky
Exactly. They're treating driver safety the same way videogame publishers are treating games ; rush it out the door, fix it with updates.
nekuth
just bought a 10yr old car, my fav feature is a normal handbrake
Johnsky
Keep a hand brake cable cleaned, greased and used and it won't fail you. E parking brakes however might just have a bad bit of memory...
Johnsky
... for no reason, control module pisses off and now your brakes won't disengage. YAY! Hope you brought your tool kit.
Johnsky
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TheNLK
the auto braking shit, best to just pretend it doesn't exist.
LucianKane
I'm not saying my ford is any better but it's lane assist is pretty good at putting resistance on the wheel if I change lanes without signal
LucianKane
Which happens when I am in construction zones and the lanes are shifted, vehicle thinks I'm changing lanes without signaling
LucianKane
Puts a little resistance on the wheels and if I keep pushing, vibrates like I'm going over stones. But I understand what this could mean
Enoan
There's a specific spot in my town where a hill is steep enough that my car detects an obstacle in front of it and beeps like mad. I'm glad
Enoan
It doesn't break or swerve to avoid the road. Beep at me all ya want, but don't do that part for me!
realynotme
My vw would autobrake at freeway speeds. After 10+ service apts, tuned out they installed the license bracket upside down. Was not happy.
realynotme
That was 10+ apts that they said I was making it up. Will never buy another VAG product. Que the VAG jokes.......
Johnsky
To be fair to VW, the plate bracket is installed by the dealership selling it, which means that dealership is not training their staff.
realynotme
Doesn't excuse vw America telling me it never happened or the other service apts for moon roof leak, intermittent ac, door seal repair,
realynotme
Rolling when parked and brake applied, tire/alignment issues, dome light repair, seat belt replacement. I'm probably forgetting some.
Johnsky
Won't excuse them. It is the responsibility of the brand to hold the dealership (usually privately owned) to a standard.
Johnsky
dependent on such features through simple laziness. Mercedes has the brake assist, and they're careful to tell you it's YOUR responsibility
HsuDoNihm
That laziness is a killer! A distracted-driver friend got a Prius to "help her be a better driver" and she's less attentive than ever before
Johnsky
The real piss off is they usually blame the car and not themselves. If they learned their lesson then there would be some silver lining.
Johnsky
to brake, the assist is merely a damage mitigation feature. But I still had customers say they rear ended a car and their mercedes didn't
Johnsky
stop soon enough on it's own. No, you idiot, YOU didn't hit the brakes when you saw the car.
Johnsky
Your car basically just went "You're not hitting the brakes? Ok, I will to try to make this less fatal."
PyroFox35
NGL my subie has saved me a few times nows. Most often it’s when I’m making a head check to merge & the jackass in front of me brakes hard.
sylvnal
My car auto brakes if it thinks I'm about to hit someone and I hate it. Someone in front slows to turn left, BRAKE. Fuck OFF.
DelightfullyOdd
My wife teases me because I don't trust her car. Thank you for your inadvertent validation.
LookingForWorkInColorado
I feel like you've hit the meat of the sandwich here. People are idiots. Whether they drove themselves or are driven by software.
Gibblestick
The Tesla shouldn't have randomly stopped but the people who crashed are all asshats. Either following too close\/not paying attention.
CraftyCyborg
It changed lanes as it braked. The person who hit it wasn’t tailgating, someone swerved right in front of them and came to a stop.
CalvinMcFly
Dont ever stop on the highway, you NEED to get to the shoulder. This is so scary.
wadatahmydamie
“Why were those people tailgating the car that *checks notes* swerved into a completely different lane and slammed on the brakes?”
Thorbane
The second car back from the Tesla looks like it managed to avoid rear ending the first guy to hit, if only barely.
Thorbane
Everyone after him doesn't have the "he just swerved in front of me" excuse.
Imayhavebeenhacked
tesla driver is at fault for using stupid auto pilot but it didnt swerve or slam on the brakes. it was clear when it switched lanes. the /1
Imayhavebeenhacked
guy behind had no reason to suspect the tesla would stop there so i dont think he hit his brakes in time. bad drivers all around.
Thorbane
Had none of them been tailgating, this would have been a 2 car accident.
wadatahmydamie
They weren’t “tailgating.” Tell you what, when you learn what tailgating is, maybe come back and talk.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
If you can't stop in time when someone infront of you stops you are tailgating.
wadatahmydamie
That’s not what “tailgating” means. Why are all the billionaire simps too dumb to understand how driving works?
BarryTheCyborg
Tesla or not, slamming the brakes in the left lane will almost always lead to an accident. In this case Tesla should be at fault.
Einbrecher
In a tunnel no less.
BarryTheCyborg
Not just the driver, but also the company for releasing faulty and dangerous software.
MAN9000
Don't Tesla's have a better track record than humans?
BarryTheCyborg
It depends, are you counting the times "autopilot" deactivated right before a crash so it wouldn't be responsible?
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Yes, they are safer. Musk sucks and there are alot of people that feel glee when a Tesla crashes.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
My parents, wife and son were in a Tesla on the highway and the incoming car swerved into them Tesla saved my whole family.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
The guy checking his phone who almost killed them no one cares about. As soon as we can get people out of the loop the better.