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This just in, and sadly most of the comments say "I don't care, as long as they keep making good games". They're not the only company in UK doing this, and every time the government tries to change the law, they threaten to pack up and leave, taking all the jobs with them.
Sources: https://boingboing.net/2019/07/30/grand-theft-taxation.html
https://www.taxwatchuk.org/reports/gaming-the-tax-system/
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jul/29/grand-theft-auto-maker-uk-corporation-tax-rockstar-north-games
sixgun9000
What does anyone care what another entity pays in taxes? Especially a company that uses whatever tax loophole the government lets them use?
LizardEnterprises
Rockstar is literally acting like they things they parody. They've become the "Its Just Jokes Bro" of corporations...
BalphEubanksLeftNut
Why not do the fair thing and exempt everyone from taxes?
Tjitso
Same in The Netherlands. Won't change anytime soon I'm afraid
GondwanaCraton
They learned from the oil company multi-nationals soaking the USA for all they possibly can.
ZOFA
About time Rockstar Games were put in the spotlight. They can't believe how lucky they've been with the rest of the industry taking the heat
fredmcjones8
Profiting at the expense of others... it's rampant everywhere.
VonKripplespac
Vote with your wallet.
MySecretUsername
They all do it
thechelonianshelmet
I don't give a fuck if it's 'legal,' if you do it, you're skeezy, & you're stealing off legit taxpayers. Fuck you & the whore you rode in on
michaelfire
F@$king Casuals, Amazon probably- https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/feb/15/amazon-tax-bill-2018-no-taxes-despite-billions-profit
PunnyTiger
tell them to pack up and go. places that don't charge taxes are not places that it is safe to do business.
TehAccountant
this pisses me off not because i know how they do it. the fact that they can get away with it because most tax authorities are discouraged
TehAccountant
to conduct audits on such businesses. even then its hard to see these things, i should know i do this for a living
Niiorkl
Only one thing to say, and Lemmy said it best : https://youtu.be/1pMVfpKBuyI?t=60
SoberAndBored
Which is why France is talking about taxing income rather than profits
rallen9268
Well, they did spend that last 20 years creating a crime simulator
electronicbovine
And people actually think these multinational corporations have their "home country"s best interests in mind. They just siphon our wealth
kuriosly
This is why I like national corporations. They at least have to live in the countries they shit in.
RangersApprentice
And provide you jobs.
Kamica
42 Million pounds should be enough money to provide a similar amount of jobs...
Pokedmeinthecoconut
The hate for globalism is strong here.
electronicbovine
I don't hate globalism, but we should have strong policy to protect us from exploitation that is enabled by globalism. Acknowledging
electronicbovine
These corps don't natively act in our interests is a good step.
BettyBoopRidesAgain
What's trashy if you're poor, but classy if you're rich?
BettyBoopRidesAgain
Getting money from the government
xj4low
Exec's pocketing multi-million dollar bonuses while doing rolling layoffs of employees that pay more taxes than the companies.
Blake242
I can't wait to hear how this is the fault of millennials
Whatreallygrindsmygears
ArmedandOverclocked
Wait. I thought this sort of thing only happened in the U.S. Has social media lied to me?
ACompletelyDifferentRobot
You forgot the /s. I hope.
ArmedandOverclocked
only partial sarcasm. Was also making a point; just in a crass manner.
Kamica
It kinda happens everywhere. Tax havens are cancer, as are loopholes.
PiGiSpi
And people have the balls to argue that they NEED to put microtransactions and predatory garbage in their games cuz they haz no monie
PiGiSpi
They never, EVER "needed" to. All that happened was they found a way to make even more money and profit than usual, so it became standard
TommyStJames
I honestly think this is disturbing. When companies make profit but ask for relief. It's not right.
FudgeWeasel
Jim Sterling has a good rant about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3giVPhSCAOQ
vudak
Aye, saw that just yesterday, not surprising - just sad.
Treblaine
Thank GOD for him!
NateintheNorth
It's a game of chicken that the companies would definitely lose, but our government, corrupt or not, is unwilling to play. "Move jobs...
RawSuger
meanwhile brexit? hold my beer https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cb/f1/6b/cbf16ba41c3c3b39639396bd70900f27.jpg
NateintheNorth
... elsewhere."? Ok, your games can not be sold in the US. Wal-Mart's can't operate there. Other businesses would gladly fill the holes...
NateintheNorth
..I am not an economist, though. Love to hear others'no opinion on this.
JustSayingYouHaventSeenMeAndBatmanInTheSameRoomBefore
Also not an expert, but have also thought shutting down the gravy train might change their tune. Just don't allow them to do business if
JustSayingYouHaventSeenMeAndBatmanInTheSameRoomBefore
they aren't willing to pay a reasonable amount of taxes and compensate their employees. Play ball or we shut you out of a major market.
ConformistWithACause
I learned about this in my first accounting class. America has the same loopholes companies exploit
removekarling
America has worse loopholes and more of them. But don't worry I'm sure Boris will make sure we catch up lol.
CityYeti
GTA 5 has the most generated revenue of any other media in history. Them not paying taxes is a travesty
Hashbrown123
It is going to make even more now that they added an unregulated casino to the game. Shark cards everywhere.
CoachMcgurl
Depends on the region but yeah. It's ridiculous.
BumNannerTwitter
R* tracks what cash is earned in-game and what is purchased through shark cards, you cannot use shark card cash in the new casino.
Hashbrown123
Says them.
Daarst
You can, just in a roundabout way. Buy a car, sell it back, the money is no longer tagged as bought via real money.
Koldfront
Of course money laundering is the solution in a crime simulator.
Treblaine
Is this gambling? "ooh no, it's not gambling" it's a literal casino "Yes, it LOOKS like a casino, and... umm, HEY LOOK OVER THERE!"
CityYeti
Oh shit, I didn't even think of that
swiesl87
In a casino you can eventually wion money, in R* Casino u cant.
Hashbrown123
And there is the fact they actually control the odds.
Filanwizard
So legally its not gambling because you can only gamble in game currency, which you can of course buy with RL money. Loopholes R Us 1/
Filanwizard
Yet if you go a Atlantic City and buy chips, Effectively in casino currency it is still gambling so I don't get how that works.
BenSpacey
You can cash out casino chips and make money. You can't cash out rockstar cash to real money.
jnxinthewoods
Damn it. How am I going to boycott Rockstar? WalMart, no prob. Hobby Lobby, check. But Rockstar? Fuuuuuuuck.
QlimaxUK
simple, just boycott the shark cards
Treblaine
Just don't buy their "shark cards".
Kamica
If it helps, their latest DLC literally allows you to gamble with real money. (Though I don't think you can cash out)
jnxinthewoods
Nope, I don't even play online. Out in the sticks on HughesNet, it's not an option.
Kamica
I mean, you don't have to play to realise that that might be a dodgy development choice =P.
mitharas
... Don't buy the games? Isn't that rather easy? I bet you have a backlog of a "few" games, play those instead.
jnxinthewoods
I do not. Not your "typical" gamer, or really even a gamer at all. I pretty much only play Rockstar.
gamesthatiplay
Eh they only put out a game every 5 years.
jnxinthewoods
Yup, and that's when I purchase a game. I can count on one hand the number of games I enjoy, and 4 of them are Rockstar.
DocTanner
Do what I did: don't buy RDR2 and don't spend any money in GTA. I found the last part hard, because I like the shiny updates. But fuck em.
jnxinthewoods
I can't play online anyhoo.
dmil103
They make like 1 game every 6 years, just don't buy it.
jnxinthewoods
So, as I've replied to every other comment that said exactly the same thing: I pretty much only play Rockstar. Yes, I've tried other 1/
jnxinthewoods
games. Yes other games are objectively as good/ much better. Rockstar games just get me/only ones I get into. No, I don't know why.
dmil103
That's really weird.
jnxinthewoods
Eh. So it goes.
rophiandis
Shouldn't be that hard. You're talking the difference of like one purchase every 7 years
jnxinthewoods
Yup, and those are pretty much the only games I play.
RayGiIIette
That money came largely from microtransactions. You don't have to boycott their games, just don't buy the money/gold packs.
jnxinthewoods
I never do anyhoo.
Vedar
The whole game is built around you buying that shit. It's the whole reason the software exists.
KyrosXIII
what's up with hobby lobby?
jnxinthewoods
Depends on your ideology. Maybe nothing, maybe everything.
KyrosXIII
*existential crisis ensues*
jnxinthewoods
They are very right wing and instill that through employee policies, if I'm putting it ridiculously nicely.
ShiraZen
How to boycott a game company but you still like the games? YAR HAR!
KyleGarrett
its easy when you realize their gameplay is outdated and boring.
jnxinthewoods
And it's not if that's the niche you prefer. For instance, I fucking hate COD.
arachnoides
I think GTAV is the most overrated game ever. Just so boring. I get that I am a minority in this.
jnxinthewoods
I drag race irl. The driving amuses me.
JadeEye
I suppose it makes pirating morally legal. Just getting the game for the price of tax they evaded.
jnxinthewoods
I like your style.
carlsagansghost
No it doesn’t. Boycott is fine, but you have to go without the thing you are boycotting.
Aeav8r
No it fucking doesn't. Stealing from the rich is still stealing no matter how you justify it.
levitatedwafflelordpart2
Imgur has a problem with critical thinking. "I don't want this, so I'll steal it"
Valharroth
It doesn't make it morally legal at all. Just don't consume their games.
friendofafriendofyourfriend
Agree with the don't consume their games part. Even through piracy you make their community grow and become more popular
VonKripplespac
People bitch and moan yet the top ten games belong to EA, Bethesda, and Rockstar.
AbsolutelyNotTheNSA
That's exactly why they pull this shit. Especially EA. They corner the market and kill any alternative options.
AbsolutelyNotTheNSA
FIFA being the key one.
Vedar
They don't care about being moral so I don't too.
gameartist3d
Those "morals" were propagated into your brain by the very people who profit from that ignorance
Valharroth
GingeraffeTW
Well yeah, but what am I going to pirate? Bully? RDR isn't even on pc and GTA V is almost entirely online.
sh4ni
There are self hosted online servers, they are even better than rockstars, because they are not stuffed with microtransactions.
jnxinthewoods
Bully was underrated, but true- fair point.
GingeraffeTW
It's a beautiful game and I think everyone is excited for the second one.
jnxinthewoods
They're making another one??
hippocampus
if you didn't buy shark cards for gta online: congratulations, you already boycott rockstar.
MollyNapQueen
GTA V story mode is a thing. I pirated it and no problems.
GingeraffeTW
Story Mode is amazing though, if I hadn't already beaten it half a dozen times, I'd probably never touch online.
steviEa
Rockstar is just playing by the rules. If you wanna be pissed blame the people who make the rules.
jnxinthewoods
How about both?
GorgeFloyd
I make the rules. My own rules, for myself. And by my rules, piracy is A OK.
Kamica
rophiandis
Not sure why you're getting downvoted; you're right. They are operating legally. They're just doing what companies do: making money. (1/4)
rophiandis
As a publicly traded company, Take Two actually has a fiduciary duty to do everything it can to maximize profits (within the law). (2/4)
rophiandis
The problem really is the laws that allow them to do this. It's the frog and the scorpion, plain and simple. If a bear escapes from an (3/4)
rophiandis
unlocked enclosure at a zoo and mauls someone, you don't get mad at the bear, you get mad at the zookeeper who left the door unlocked (4/4)
steviEa
From what I can tell people feel its morally wrong that Rockstar does this. And as soon as you introduce emotion into topics like this 1/2
steviEa
People are gonna be reactive instead of proactive. They’re just downvoting cause they’re pissed regardless if I’m right
mormacil
I can't seem to reach the people who make the rules. I can boycott those who abuse the rules. Legality isn't the issue here, it's morality.
steviEa
You’re not morally obligated to pay more than you owe. Ever. Fix your taxing system like France is doing and stop crying. Call a rep.
mormacil
My country is working on a France like system. But you are morally obligated to follow the spirit over the letter of the law.
rophiandis
First of all, that's not what "boycott" means. Second, it's a bit of a prisoners dilemma for them: it's ALWAYS going to be in their (1/2)
rophiandis
best interests to pull this shit, no matter how many people stop buying. The laws (and enforcement thereof) really are the issue (2/2)
mormacil
Wait not buying product of those who I know abuse tax laws isn't a boycott? What is that called then?
rophiandis
On an individual basis, it's called... well, just what you wrote. It's only a boycott if it's widespread. "We" can boycott; "I" can't (1/2)
Inarticulated
Buy used copies of their games?
jnxinthewoods
And wait a year? Nnnnnnnnngggggggg......
Nostradamuswaswrong
Wow, you really have a problem with your need for instant gratification, don't you? You may need therapy.
jnxinthewoods
For the 3 or 4 video games I play, which are generally released twice a decade? I may, but not for that.
Inarticulated
Um.. There's new games in the used sections a week after release. There's ALWAYS people returning new games because of disappointment & shit
jnxinthewoods
I'm not close to a game store except GameStop, which at least in my area, doesn't offer a large discount for used until it's a bit older.
Inarticulated
The point wasn't to get it cheaper. The point was to boycott Rockstar.. But rather than boycott, get a used copy and Rockstar gets nothing.
SweetZombiJesus
Why would that be hard?
mitharas
Because having the newest most hyped up game is paramount for the modern gamer.
jnxinthewoods
I am not a typical gamer. I pretty much only play Rockstar.
PiGiSpi
Gotta be honest, that sounds pretty "typical gamer" if I'm being honest. Rockstar games releasing are mainstream events lol
jnxinthewoods
Never met another Rockstar fan who didn't also play other games. I've never played COD, Halo, etc. Typical gamers only play GTA? think not
jnxinthewoods
Because I pretty much only play Rockstar.
SweetZombiJesus
Broaden your horizons, then. Try something like Horizon Zero Dawn!
jnxinthewoods
Ah, graphics look good, but rpgs have never hooked me.
jnxinthewoods
I've tried a lot of games. It's not for lack of horizon. Just that a few of the Rockstar games are what really gets me into gameplay.
SweetZombiJesus
Horizon Zero Dawn is also an open world game. But in the future with robotic dinosaurs! Try it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4-FCsiF5x4
EndlessTrash
Oh boy, wait till you hear about the shit Activision is pulling
30Jonseredi
I insist that you go on
tsrivishnu
They won't. They just put their phone on vibrate
xj4low
I'm sure that is Rockstars strategy. I use to like rockstar as a co b/c they stuck it to all the other companies and went outside the box (1
xj4low
2) but now they are just like the other corporate game makers.
hifive2wifei
Not just gaming.
Aimela
As well as many other corporations.
ShiraZen
And yet with all the bitching, the gaming community still keeps buying. Gamers truly don't know what they want, they are right.
RelativeVelocity
This is one of the reasons I more or less just stick with Nintendo. They don't dabble into the bs as far as the others do. Not that their
RelativeVelocity
Completely sin free, but you can usually count on them to deliver a full and enjoyable experience without the shenanigans
LionHeart31337
Go on...
BigFatBobbie
Guess you gotta wait till you hear.
xmagnummgx
They pulling some shit.
Treblaine
Gambling.
CalumFace
Activision is gambling? Explain?
Treblaine
Ignore this guy's demeanour, it's part of a long running joke, his point is sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S-DGTBZU14
CalumFace
My thanks
EkitaiHebi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRWCr90Lhxw this should explain it pretty well video by jim sterling
EndlessTrash
Hiding profits in tax havens, firing hundrets of employees after they made record profits while paying the ceo millions extra in bonuses ...
Treblaine
Fire community managers then immediately hire the same number of community managers, new people they can pay less.
30Jonseredi
Sources for this? Consider that hiring in different countries is not the same thing
dragon1freak
Dont forget, they're currently hiring for the positions they just let go in that massive layoff
30Jonseredi
Do you have sources for this? Because AFAIK they're relocating resources and hiring for completely different positions
30Jonseredi
Also while citating the source mind that on top of the layoffs some of the other employees quit which they have to naturally rehire
Dainslaif
It's because after a layoff there's some bleed out, and they lost more people than they anticipated. My roommate wasn't cut, but he was 1
Dainslaif
Filling a vital role, and he got disgusted and quit shortly after the layoff, forcing them to rehire some positions they just cut. 2
JadeEye
They don't. I used to work for blizzard, I still know people there. They laid off people like QA, localizations and others, mainly in non-HQ
JadeEye
But they're hiring programmers and art into HQ. They're still shady assholes though and were a big part of why I changed my career, together
Dainslaif
They also gutted the community teams, which they're hiring up for again since everyone else left. My friends let go from there are livid.
TonyStank
Microtransactions being added to Crash Team Racing: Nitro-Fueled despite saying that would never happen is a recent stunt.
PiGiSpi
Gotta get those "no microtransactions in this game" in every review so people get excited and buy, then sneak them in way after the fact
Xipos
It's just a matter of time before a console game is released with a life or energy bar that refills after x hours. But you can pay to refil
Rip42
How is that not deceptive advertising?
sagevallant2718
The Fallout 76 Maneuver, yes.
Ahumblebubble
zelmeno
My taxes go up, rich find ways to avoid more taxes. Somehow people doesn’t grasp why the class brackets are getting farther apart
PoppaBigBear
"It's the libs" - guy who watches fox news
expfarrer
yeah lets vote the tax cheat cheato man into the wise house to drain the fucking swamp -!
RedWebPlayer
Amen! They can’t keep running from taxes!
RawSuger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM![]()
zelmeno
Now do 2010-2019 :p
RawSuger
ONLY GOES TO 2014 ATM https://wid.world/country/usa/
marsgoose
If you ever wondered how the corpos survive with often 40%+ corpo tax rates, this is how, it's all for show.
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Tyaldan
No, anytime someone says nothing middle class taxes go up. A marginal tax would do nothing to middle income while taxing the $$$$
RawSuger
that is not true, the rich used to pay a lot more.the rich pay less and less last few decadesbecause rightwingers pass those laws.undo them!
marsgoose
Once time I managed to get into top tax bracket for making crazy sum of around $30k in a year. (Not in US, just translated the money)
marsgoose
One of those countries, where they elected someone who will fix everything including acne by taxing the rich, ~$30k was 3X the average pay
marsgoose
which made me the rich to be taxed....
marsgoose
Not gonna publicly say where at, would make me easily doxable.
FlissFloss86Gaming
Capital Gains tax rates need to go up. Almost all taxable investment accounts (non-retirement) are owned by the very rich
Apolobamba
Blogg's pension is in there too.
Distrill
almost all? lol that is most ridiculous. people from every class use taxable investment accounts else no retirement for middle class
Camelspotting
They really don't. 84% of stocks are owned by the top 10% and that includes retirement, college savings, etc.
zelmeno
The issue is more about closing loop holes than increasing %, which will never happen at this point.
RawSuger
ofc it can and will, it has been lowered and i can be increased again. no reason not.
Apolobamba
This actually isn't about loopholes. Truly.
Ohtarr
whats 90% of $0?
Apolobamba
It's a tax credit thing. Designed to stimulate the industry. Government policy and all that. Films, high end TV etc aldo benefit.
Quipod
Also, the bottom 50% pay 3% of taxes. Top 10% pay 75%~ of all taxes and top 1% pay ~26% of all taxes. Rich pay more than fair share.
Predicto
Rich and poor pay the exact same level of taxes on each part of their income. Top earners only pay more because they have all the wealth
riplikash
The top 1% own 38% of wealth and only post 26% of taxes. Your math is flawed.
Quipod
That is not a flaw. They have make more so they pay more, even more of a percentage. That technically is unfair.
riplikash
They pay LESS as a percentage. They own MORE of the wealth but don't pay proportionate taxes on that wealth. You are BAD at math.
Quipod
No one pays taxes on wealth. That is unconstitutional. And they pay a larger percent of their income then anyone else.
Quipod
And what does it matter how much someone else has? It has nothing to do with you. They pay way more than you and you think that's unfair. Ha
Johnnyboy22
Well heres a guy who understood
Starwaster
People DON'T grasp why the class brackets are getting FURTHER apart.
omh2
Has a lot more to do with the US dropping it's top marginal tax rate from 91% in the 60s to 37% now.
mkreku
The most annoying thing is that they blame the taxes as the evil. Taxes are made to even out class differences, they are not your enemy!
EchoReaper
Taxes... are not meant to even out class differences. They have a functional purpose (e.g. upkeep for schools and other public services)
mkreku
Yes, that's evening out class differences. Rich people pay more tax, fund schools so all can afford education, even those who pay little tax
rshini
yep, funny how US infrastructure went to shit after Reagan ease up on the industrial and business taxes
Chereazi
But if you pay more taxes and the rich pay less taxes you get more money through trickle down! It makes sense if you don't think about it.
schopier
the ultimate platitude
sundaymondayhippyday
zeiji
give all the grains to the horse, then the sparrow can eat shit and die.
Kiriae
Isn't trickle down economics the same diagram as a pyramid scheme?
MisterLemons
Aaaaaany decade now...
KartFnocker
I love the warm yellow tinkle of it coming down on us
idontliketheclonebone
I seem to be getting a stinky brown drizzle...
MisterLemons
Wait, that's not rain!
gravyandfries
Yeah but i could do without the asparagus smell.
EverythingISeeIsAJojosReference
Stop it, R. Kelly!
Doomgriever
Tyaldan
There really isnt a more fitting image to sum up the republican party, and politicians in general. They were supposed to represent citizens.
Codyblues
God bless the Gipper
PiggyWobbles
Shhhh don't think about it, brown people scary! They're gonna take your jobs and your homes and your daughters! Ignore the rich vampires!
FormulatedVagabond
Is this sarcasm? It’s hard to tell in type.
qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyujmkiol
Are you being sarcastic?
FormulatedVagabond
I wasn’t I was just being dumb and missed the word “don’t” so I’m ironically the idiot.
DigiT00l
It's acthal mentality of the right wing politicians, at least in America
PiggyWobbles
no politician actually believes this, its just the story they tell to truck drivers and plumbers to get them to vote for rich interests
HerrHat
Well, if you pinch real hard, you might get a hint of sarcasm in the closure "it makes sense if you don't think about it"
FormulatedVagabond
I freely admit I missed that it said “don’t”. Sorry @HerrHat for missing that, quite funny - me dumb.
Isorikk
I think in this case it's pretty easy to tell it's sarcasm
FormulatedVagabond
Not really when you look at the state of the world
FormulatedVagabond
No wait, I missed the word “don’t” and I’m an idiot
tathrok
That's why there are ways to delineate sarcasm (eye rolling, "/s", etc.)... But people don't use them from whatever reason
KartFnocker
I think it's fun to toe the line
Dagordae
Or a phrase such as ‘It makes sense if you don’t think about it’ which indicates the absurdity of the preceding claim.
FormulatedVagabond
I missed the word “Don’t!” Sorry
Quipod
Odd, my taxes went down last year and I am middle class.
schopier
define "middle class", and explain why one data point should matter when discussing an international issue
Predicto
that's ok, your grandchildren will pay on your behalf
Jagerbeast
That's a very broad range of income
PiggyWobbles
mine went up, and I run a small business
AnalBeadsPulledOutLikeStartingALawnmower
It's almost like a should have lower taxes in general. Governments are addicted to money, and you don't give crack to a crack addict.
muddydan101
I may suggest you don’t look at the deficit then. For every action...
segfaultytowers
Everyone's did a little bit. People who make a lot of money had theirs go down a lot
Predicto
unless they were in a blue state and got fucked out of their state tax deduction
AninOnin
My taxes as a grad student went up...?
Quipod
You did not redo your w2 form correctly then, or at all. Do the actual math on previous years. You paid less. Unless you itemized.
tathrok
We paid 24% more this year and went down a tax bracket. So no, not everyone.
Quipod
You did not redo your w2 form correctly then, or at all. Do the actual math on previous years. You paid less. Unless you itemized.
tathrok
False.
JodyBird
Only made 3 mil last year, barely making it
Kaplar
Thoughts and prayers.
Gra55hopper
I couldn't survive on 3 millimetres
nabacular
Increasing taxes isnt the answer. Companies have been wiggling theirbway out since taxes began. Even Obama couldnt stop it.
Newthoenikker
Why would he stop it? He profited from it...
Ocek
Increasing taxes on the rich is part of the answer. In fact there have been economist studies saying a 73% tax rate is the ideal sweet spot.
nabacular
The fatal assumption is that the rich will pay. Do those studies factor tax shelters, loopholes and lobbyist?
Ocek
I assume minimal loopholes. Whether the rich pay isn't a question of % taxed, it's a question of how much power democracy has, or wealth.
RawSuger
they wiggle regardless what the rate is. companies paid much more when the rate was higher and will if increased
nabacular
Companies don't pay taxes, they pass that cost on to the consumer. That why places with high fuel tax have a higher cost of living.
RawSuger
they pass some of the cost on sure, but they are in competition also w international business, so not much. high tax-->high equality
nabacular
Depends on what market and what kind of tax. A sales tax on gas affects every consumer and company. A payroll tax favors foreign products
Shrap95
If I was rich I'd avoid taxes too it's all legal. If people have a problem with it then contact your politicians and do something about it.
Navrodel
I'm lucky to be represented by a senator who IS trying to do something about it. Unfortunately she can only do so much about the other 99.
Navrodel
And if those 99 have constituents that are concerned about another issue, they're not pushing against tax loopholes that are being paid for.
Jagerbeast
HAHAHAHA
cccfudge10
First of all, it's absolutely not all legal. Panama papers and shit. And also, contact the politicians? They already fucking know about the
cccfudge10
Loopholes and shit, THEY'RE USING THEM! Most of the politicians aren't paying the taxes they should because they're the one writing them.
zelmeno
Like anyone is going to close a loophole they are already using. At this point the government is a self centered group of people not looking
zelmeno
Out for the country and only then self. Anything that looks otherwise is so they can get re-elected
Shrap95
Which is why the government is the problem not the companies. People need to force them to cooperate with us and fix things
Tairu8
Hey this sounds like something the government needs to tighten up rather than something Rockstar did that was illegal or something. I don’t
Treblaine
I think the best way to tax corporations is go to who is getting the money, tax shares based on where the rich shareholders live.
Mediumtim2
Tis! Yes! Thank you.
Tairu8
know anyone who pays taxes they don’t have to pay. If there’s a loophole people will take it, stop giving corporations giant loopholes
Kamica
I personally am of the school of thought of: If you knowingly exploit a system involving tax payer money, you're a twat.
Tairu8
Eh. People won’t pay more than they have to and neither will corporations. If you give people a way to not pay any taxes they’ll take it
Kamica
But the money they pay will go less far. It's the difference between paying for something cool, or throwing it down a well.
Ensano
I had a tax 101 teacher who told us the way Canadian tax law is designed is that its our obligation to know it and apply it to pay the least
Ensano
The prob is most people are too busy working 50 hours a week to learn what to do. Rich people hire lawyers who do nothing but figured out
Ensano
Loopholes
WoeToHice
I really hate this argument. Sure, the government should tighten things up. But just because something's legal, doesn't mean it's ethical.
WoeToHice
It's somewhat like saying that we would all be running around raping and murdering if it wasn't for the laws or the Bible or whatever.
Tairu8
Never said it was ethical. But no one (people or company) are going to pay more in taxes than they have to. If you give someone an option to
Tairu8
not pay any they’re going to take it. Stop giving companies crazy loopholes like this
KinetoPlay
Sure, legality and ethics aren't always hand in hand. But no company is going to voluntarily pay more tax than they have to. 1/2
KinetoPlay
If the government isn't making them pay it, that's a pretty clear sign they don't really want it. 2/2
Ravonrip
So if you had a possibility of legally not paying taxes, you would still pay them?
Memeeater
This is a pretty bad analogy if you are acting in good faith though
Kamica
I would. I like having solid infrastructure, public services etc. etc. taxes are cheap as fuck compared to what you get for them!
WoeToHice
If I had an option to use a loophole to pay less or no taxes, I wouldn't. How do you determine if something is a loophole? Well, (1/3)
WoeToHice
that's just one of those points where ethics and law march separate ways. There's a reason why we make a distinction between the (2/3)
WoeToHice
letter and the spirit of the law. It's a complex topic and you can't just reduce it to a pithy claim to absolve corporations. (3/3)