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G8tor84
Little assholes
SlagathorTheThird
Guns are still an issue though
skeletor119
Restricting another’s airway by force is considered lethal force.
Bugghunter
Good for you. This is NOT kids being kids. This is all out assault and they need to learn young of real world consequences.
randomfrag
I hope they get what they deserve
IIxNullxII
I’d have got my ass beat if I even tried something remotely like that. It’s not only a mental health thing, people need to punish their kids
iSAIDgoodDaYYsir
Poor baby. I hate to imagine him thinking they wouldn't stop. That choke burn looks so scary especially with him minding his business.
DirkNurple
This is not a mental health problem. It is a cunty child problem.
AslanTheGod
Captnfancypantz
First of all... F those kids who did that. Both parents and kids need to be held equally accountable. May not want to post the kids face tho
Somerichdude
People don't understand that you can post all the details needed for debate, without making the shooter infamous. Which is what they want.
bobgunrunnersmith
Some kids are rotten. Make their parents regret having them.
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
Garotten even.
Muunk
That is attempted murder
KawaNyx
Heck yeah charge em up the wazoo! This is deplorable to. They threatened his life. What if he would have struggled and ended up worse?
AslanTheGod
Seriously! He could have easily died. A proper choke hold doesn't even cut off airflow. This will.
phonecallformisterhorrible
It is a gun problem if these kind of people have easy access to one. Just saying.
notacobra
It's time to give schools back the opportunity to discipline children beyond a note home to parents. No more wrist slaps for criminals.
BigGurlOhio
Similar happened to me in the 2nd grade, got held from behind and the kid next to me proceeded to punch me.......(1)
BigGurlOhio
First day of 3rd grade they tried it again and I listened to my grandfather and put my elbow in the kids face next to me. (2)
BigGurlOhio
After that day it never happened again. We need to allow and teach our kids to defend themselves and not throw them In jail for doing so.
whooshy
Fuck those other kids
UncleToot
Makes one wonder what kind of traumatic home life those kids have to mess them up so badly. Hope your son is OK and that those kids get help
ceeeffgee197724
My #1 concern is for the victim, but yes, the perpetrators are learning this shit somewhere. Get them away from their shitty families.
Gcleff
I did alot of shit as a kid(nothing crazy like this) that i was told not to just because. Not neccesarily the parents. Doubt its clear cut
b18t3408
Could be the fact of lack of teaching right from wrong or spoiled thinking they can get away with anything they want to do
b18t3408
I hope the kid is okay and hopefully wasn't so traumatic for him
Copdecella
Help? I am sorry, but there is only punishment. You can always choose NOT TO harm others, the moment you made the choice there is no excuse-
Copdecella
this wasn't self-defense, that was just pure violence. Why would anyone pity them? A rough life doesn't justify pure evil.
ElectricFrog
Punishment by itself tends to just make the issue worse.
EirikurDC
Only the wrong kind of punishment. There are what’s called learning languages. The punishment must be in the language the student gets.
georgecostanzalatexsalesman
There are kids with good home lives who are just assholes.
Calistrasza
We've been teaching our kids for the last 40 years that nothing is their fault and they don't need to take responsibility for anything.
mrshiznit106
I couldn’t agree more.
hodaddelvecchio
Hold those aggressors accountable!
BESTtaylorINAUSTRALIA
Yeap! Their psycho parents
MadFamousLove
it's true that there is a mental healthcare problem, so maybe the usa should have universal healthcare to deal with that.
Somerichdude
You don't need universal healthcare to handle that, maybe just go for the easier goal of changing it back to the federals obligation >
Somerichdude
Instead of each states obligation to take care of their own. Since it seems like they won't.
RockPaperRooster
It's more than this. Its recognizing the behavior before it happens.
ChainmailleAddict
Well that failed this time, so fuck 'em.
Ragdata
How about empowering teachers and other members of the community to apply a little discipline? Safe to say "hands off" has failed dismally.
Somerichdude
Shit the Parkland kid had dozens of visits by authorities. The students of the school suspected him of going crazy. Maybe a solution for >
Somerichdude
Ones like that is the parents should be court ordered to lock up their guns in a place where the disturbed can't reach them.
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Sapper151
So some kids try to murder him with a shoe lace around the neck on a school bus and somehow it is his fault he wasn't trained to stop it?
Orion371
Let me guess. You have a mullet, drink energy drinks, call woman “bitches” and drive a pickup.
oshodatwan
You stupid
Kiopho
A - Nice comeback. B - Great englishing. C - You probably should slow down on the energy drinks. Your balls won't get any smaller.
oshodatwan
Haha, alright pussy
ChainmailleAddict
You're probably afraid of skinny jeans and men ordering from Star Bucks. Fuck off.
Kiopho
We get it, bro. You're an alpha male and all the ladies want you.
kodiak931155
Im starting to suspect he 8n fact may not be
RalphtheMagnif
I WANT TO GIVE HIM A SUPPORTIVE HUG SO BADLY!!!!
TheGuyWithTheReallyLongUserName
Dude had a sick t shirt!
Icyfirebolt
I wasn't bullied in school, however, I tried to stand up for those that needed it. Kids can be so cruel. I hope this boy is okay. So sad.
AslanTheGod
I had a friend that I teased like he was my brother, and fought kids picking on him. After HS, he told me he felt I was bullying him (1/2)
AslanTheGod
Looking back I saw what he meant. I felt like such a shitty person and apologized profusely. I didn't mean it that way, to him it was. (2/2)
Icyfirebolt
I can see that. Were you able to salvage the friendship?
AslanTheGod
We both explained ourselves, we're totally cool now. We still see eachother often.
Icyfirebolt
That's fantastic. I'm happy to hear that.
skiddelytreeps
Those little mother fuckers
EnthusiasticPickle
What does this have anything to do with gun politics?
Somerichdude
Biden, the leading Democrat, said we need to ban all semi auto guns over the weekend, which is 90% of the guns. Maybe that's why.
Kahneolus
Two girls tied a skipping rope around my sister's throat... and pulled, when she was in school... fun times.
MegatronPewPew
Guns, knifes, garotes....if you want someone dead, mental or not, you can kill. Our whole race is fucked, but what do I know, I’m just an
MegatronPewPew
Intergalactic despot that turns into a gun.
gotchasucka
It's not a mental health issue, it's lack of discipline at home issue.
rickeyspanish
I don't think you know what you are talking about
ceeeffgee197724
It's probably a total lack of ethics at home.
Somerichdude
This country's people have developed a lack of ethics in this last decade. Left and right can't even have discussions anymore.
KingKrown
It can be both..
gotchasucka
Thanks King Obvious.
KingKrown
You literally said it was not a mental health issue.
gotchasucka
Clearly it can be both in individual circumstances, I meant within society as a whole. Will try to be crystal clear next time for you.
settlwlvs
Or a lack of a lack of beatings at home. Like parent like child...
KingKrown
That's dumb, and a good way to teach your kids to lie so they avoid beatings.
GeminiSprk
My parents disciplined me and my two brothers like this. You know what we learned? Actions have consequences. Don't start shit. Be honest.
Raikupath
You don't raise a child by beating it. That won't do shit except making things worse.
settlwlvs
Double negative sir. Re-read the post.
EirikurDC
One of the learning languages is physical. In that case beatings are appropriate lessons
rexkraft
A lesson on how to lie properly to avoid beatings
EirikurDC
No, because the learning language there is not kinesthetic. That's interpersonal. If the child has an interpersonal learning language,
YouSignedTheGodDamnedContract
Could very well be the opposite friend. Physical discipline isn't always an appropriate tool. Could be the kids get abused and are -
settlwlvs
Lack of a lack of, meaning too many beatings.
YouSignedTheGodDamnedContract
Demonstrating the kind of violence they are recipients of at home.
EirikurDC
You’re right. Physical beatings might not be the right language. I think these boys should be tortured.
crackajackin
That's how you make school shooters
destinoz
Is there compelling evidence that school shooters are bully victims and not bullies? Columbine shooters turned out not to be bullied.
neverpostsoriginalcontent
Thanks @destinoz for the response I was looking for
destinoz
link https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/04/19/bullies-black-trench-coats-columbine-shootings-most-dangerous-myths/
dchek89
An argument could be made for attempted murder
ChrisMorray
Shit, I doubt it can be denied.
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
Considering the lacerations, no doubt.
Mechwarrior719
Assault with intent. That’s not “playing around” or “boys being boys”. I’d be putting the school, judge, and DA on blast for anything less.
alpacasaurusrex
You’re right. Not murder attempt, but yes. Assault with intent. I doubt they did it in an attempt to kill him. More just hurt the fuck out
alpacasaurusrex
of him because the little psychos thought it would be funny to hurt the hell out of the “nerd”.
Lobuttomize
No way. They were just doing it to be assholes, it's obvious they wouldn't actually try murder on a bus with other kids and a camera
kodiak931155
Unpopular opinion but your correct. This is aggravated assault. Or maaaybe assault w/ deadly. Although their actions could easily have
kodiak931155
Resulted in death. Its a stretch to say that was their goal. That said it would be a worth while to lay the heavier charge so you can plea
kodiak931155
Down and still have a good charge. *disclosure my knowledge is in canadian law which sometimes doesnt translate well to our suthern brothers
WarlockSniper
Have you seen those injuries my dude? That is a laceration. They were literally starting to saw through his throat. That is attempted murder
WarlockSniper
and not manslaughter, which implies accidental death. This is straight up *sawing through a kids throat*.
Rabidbacon
Your honor OJ is not a murderer, just an asshole.
Lobuttomize
Feigning ignorance doesn't prove your point at all. There's no link at all showing it's attempted murder. Keep living in pathos
Rabidbacon
Sure, he was acquitted, but we all know he did that.
Lobuttomize
What? This isn't relevant to OJ at all. People died in OJ's case and nobody died or came close to dying in this one
Erutanmi
He didn’t mean to. He was just an asshole just messing around. The shoelace didn’t fit his shoe either.
ceeeffgee197724
This isn't a mental health problem. It's a cruelty/lack of empathy problem. Schools and communities need to stop ignoring this stuff.
STINKPICKEL
https://pics.me.me/i-dont-think-its-about-more-gun-control-i-grew-44126637.png
neverpostsoriginalcontent
I was thinking the exact same thing. The only caveat would be how mental health professionals refer to mental health holistically.
neverpostsoriginalcontent
(rather than to refer to an acute mental health issue)
ImJustGonnaKeepTypingThisUsernameForAsLongAsICanOhManIveRanOut
When in high school a bus shuttled high school kids and younger kids around town and a 1st grader stabbed me in the thigh with a needle. 1/2
ImJustGonnaKeepTypingThisUsernameForAsLongAsICanOhManIveRanOut
All the bus driver did was take the needle. I'm sure they had more and habits like that will escalate. The parents should've been told.
OverpricedCrayon
I don’t know why everyone acts like mental health problems is a uniquely American thing.
Somerichdude
What do you expect with our current political climate. No one agrees on anything anymore, we can't even rally behind our countrys symbols.
myrealnames
If you expect schools to address behaviors on the scale they seem to be today, you'd better be ready to fund the changes that will require.
ceeeffgee197724
What part of my original statement suggests that I don't support that?
ahoovypoacher
Lack of empathy is literally a mental health problem. It’s called being a sociopath.
FliLiekAnEnjel
That is mental health. Today's mentality is not to help these people but to make money off of them by only going for the symptoms, if at all
thefrompleman
oh my god. cruelty/lack of empathy is literally a fucking mental health problem
ceeeffgee197724
Oh my god, no it's fucking not. It's a societal problem. Not everyone who is cruel is mentally ill. Read history.
triesbutfailstobewitty
Classic Imgur. "-1 For spouting facts that discredit my case." I'm starting to get sick of this community.
MyDogIsSmarterThanYourHonorsStudent
But god forbid the parents beat the shit out of their kids these days, if either of those kids were mine they'd lose teeth as starters.
ceeeffgee197724
Beating the kids is probably how this started. Violence towards children leads to violent children.
MyDogIsSmarterThanYourHonorsStudent
I disagree, you can't so much as slap a child these days let alone beat them without risk of DCF taking them.
ceeeffgee197724
Bullshit. I work with kids who get beat by their parents. No one takes them away.
MyDogIsSmarterThanYourHonorsStudent
You must work in less of a nanny state. My states ruled are embarrassing
ChainmailleAddict
Children have pre-conventional morality. For a while, if other methods don't work, a whap with newspaper will remind them to behave.
antigiraffe
It's almost like we've done multiple studies proving child abuse is bad
MyDogIsSmarterThanYourHonorsStudent
What is "abuse" and what is "physical discipline"? Physical discipline exists in every species since the dawn of time and yet we still live
antigiraffe
There's a distinct difference but people are really fuck awful at sticking to it and there's not really an easy way to define that differenc
MyDogIsSmarterThanYourHonorsStudent
So theres no way to say that a given situation is abuse or discipline without knowing where the line is drawn with that family.
matthiasfactor
Lack of empathy is literally a symptom of sociopathy.
Camelspotting
Also being a child.
matthiasfactor
That’s usually a temporary condition
StarkRG
All sociopaths lack empathy, but not all people who lack empathy are sociopaths.
MySushi
People who were racists, supported the Nazi movement, enslaved and otherwise dehumanized others, got along just fine amongst themselves
MySushi
Not everything can be chalked upto a mental health problem. It is considered perfectly acceptable in some credes to marginalize the other.
ceeeffgee197724
Blaming "mental health" is a convenient way to sidestep the issue of society condoning violence and cruelty.
eternalshinychrome
I think a lack of empathy is a symptom of just about every mental health disorder. Almost like people are meant to be empathetic
Camelspotting
... what
StarkRG
Not really, no. In fact I'd say that most mental health disorders have absolutely nothing to do with empathy one way or another.
ODSTsRule
Well if we where all loners humanity woulld have died off a long time ago so jeah
FliLiekAnEnjel
Being a loner doesn't mean you don't have empathy.
DownVoteVerifier
And as much as I hate to say it this is something that generally having a religion growing up teaches you, empathy. Not that you need to be
DownVoteVerifier
Taught it through religion but the stories from scriptures normally involve it in many variations.
FliLiekAnEnjel
You need to read some certain very famous religious texts, if you think all do that. Not allowed to say which ones here, sorry.
StarkRG
Uh, no, religion teaches you to behave or you get punished, the vast majority of evil in this world is done by religious people.
eternalshinychrome
I agree that religion teaches empathy. Pretty universal no matter what you believe. But in the wrong hands it has killed millions
FliLiekAnEnjel
No to your second sentence. Read certain teachings. Ideology exploited by power hungry scum has killed millions. Can't blame religion alone.
KingKrown
Sister told me a girl literally posted on her social media she'd kill xyz with a picture of her father's gun collection.. The school only
ParanoidCarrot
yes dealing with the emotions and the underlying problem and getting them real help not just punished ¹/2
ParanoidCarrot
they need to understand why it is wrong and why they are being punished not to demean them or to get mad at them they need help 2/²
techmonkey
The would not be a school issue, that should be a call the police and charge with death threats issue.
Eldis
Yeah, but you gotta take into account that it's expensive to have mental health care units ready for these scenarios. /s
FortressCraft
To be fair, it's hard to kill people with a picture.
FortressCraft
Negged? Someone didn't get the joke :|
SophieClockwise
You've clearly never met John Wick.
lenonymes
Maybe with that attitude it is.
StarvedDemon
The police should be involved. Unfortunately schools can only enact so much punishment for acts done outside of school. The internet 1/
ino84
No, police should maybe be involved additionally, but mainly a mental health professional should be involved. These kids have issues that 1/
ino84
can be resolved if tackled early on. Before they become perpetrators. We can save them before we punish them. 2/2
AVeryLividBeing
Good luck convincing the other's family to take them to mental health.
PostNutDepression
Can't you be court ordered to go to a psychiatrist?
StarvedDemon
Is a grey area, some schools have policies about bullying online, some don't. But something like that 100% would be charged by police. 2/2
Zangakkar
I agree the schools reachonly, and should, go so far of school. Their councilors are supposed to look out for this and call the authorities.
Zangakkar
Also youd be surprised how far the schools authoiry reaches. My sister told me about how some kids got suspeneded and i believe eventually
Zangakkar
Removed from the roster because of some stuff they did outside of school.
KingKrown
Suspended her a few days. Then bad shit happens, you see all these ignored blatant signs some of these disturbing teens were already showing
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
After years of watching shit unfold, I think it's safe to say it's the ones showing off that aren't going to do anything.
bobbob1016
Not for ruining a kid's life & convicting her for it bc her brain isn't dvlpd in school, but she definitely need to see a shrink for that.
DarkHeresy
This sounds like something the police should be handling, not the school.
TheS4ndm4n
Well, you must live in America. School shootings are a constitutional right. It's a rite of passage for American teens to murder their peers
Totallyscrewedinaustin
My daughters school counselor called me today over something my daughter searched for on her take-home school computer.
BklynPunisher
Was it “2 girls 1 cup?” Or “blue waffle?”
Sidewinder1018
It was BME Pain Olympics.
in70x
Well I’m sorry you need to tell us what she searched. No matter how embarrassing. These are the rules.
howToLoseTheGame
"I won't judge, but... Furries!?" - guidance counselor probably
theincrediblesloth
What did she search for?
bamblebimble
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Fahargo
Dude I straight up watched porn on our provided iPad haha
pareidoliaperson
Hentai. And got caught.
howToLoseTheGame
Moral of the story, use IncogniTor
Doxite
That's not gonna prevent them from viewing the network history whatsoever on a device that they own
minipancho94
there was a big bust a while back where a teacher was activating the webcam to record female students at home.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
Doesn't help when they have software *on the device*.
howToLoseTheGame
Keyloggers. I get what you mean.
PepeLePoop
It's probably something that she searched while on their network. They shouldn't be able to see what they search off campus. or anything
DarkZalgo
Well they can if they just look at the browser history. But otherwise, they can't see what she searched for at home.
DarkZalgo
Unless they have some sort of network filter that dumps all network activity, but that's probably too sophisticated for a public school.
signe
Except that they often install monitoring software, so they often can...
PepeLePoop
I didn't think keyloggers for personal devices would be legal. I was thinking of internet traffic. thanks for the info
chansuke
I can almost guarantee if its a school owned laptop then it has monitoring software. I worked for a company that made the such a product.
f1223214
Of course,they should be able to see what they search off campus.The problem isn't there, it's how you raise her. It's a parent problem ffs!
Erutanmi
False. Monitoring software on a non-admin account is can account for everything down to the keys pressed on the keyboard.
PepeLePoop
I didn't think keyloggers for personal devices would be legal. I was thinking of internet traffic.
Erutanmi
I is can grammar gooder.
minipancho94
except that there was a bust a few years back when a kid was arrested on drug charges for taking his meds at home because of monitoring 1/2
minipancho94
and then there was another incident of a teacher spying on their female students and taking recordings..... 2/2
Roune
And then theres the case where that kid posted pictures of him going to a gun range with his family on his own social media and got expelled
Roune
Or suspended or something. IIRC it was on his own personal time and had no link to the school at all. I’m gonna search for the article
AspAspAsp
Better source: https://kdvr.com/2019/08/29/loveland-teens-social-media-post-about-gun-range-leads-to-safe2tell-tip-temporary-school-ban/
Roune
Sauce https://www.rallyforourrights.com/colorado-student-removed-from-school-for-going-shooting-with-his-mom/
BigFckingRocket
First video he posted with “finna be lit” with multiple hand guns is probably what caused the alarm. The school had protocol for
HazardousGoose
When I was in high school there was this guy most people made fun of. He always wore a long duster and top hat with a peacock feather in it.
alpacasaurusrex
Had a guy like that my sr year. I had a crush on him after he protected me from getting bullied. He just liked dusters. Nice dude.
HazardousGoose
Even in gym class. Till one day weapons start falling out. Kid had a full arsenal of guns and knives. He had been planning to attack.
HazardousGoose
But since he's in special ed for low proficiency, nothing happened but a weeks vacation from school. Kid was troubled but no one helped.
in70x
Sounds like he’s so busy studying the blade he can’t get any bitches
Roclocks102
Wtf, and I got suspended for my entire senior year after making a simple joke after a fake friend over reacted to it.
Corbenik42
Same, except got off lighter.
bamblebimble
Now was the joke, "gunna kill all these idiots" because that shit is taken seriously. Even people with no record can go out and do that shit
Roclocks102
Hell no. I’m not that guy.
bamblebimble
What did you do?
MassStorageDeviceCanNowBeSafelyRemoved
immediately? first offense?
Roclocks102
First offense. I was practically the star student.
MassStorageDeviceCanNowBeSafelyRemoved
jeez. what the hell is wrong with them
TMP5
"xyz" ..?
RydWolf
https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2017/E6mNFe.mp4
KingKrown
Xyz was meant to represent the people she listed. Sorry character limit and all that jazz.
matty22381337
Kids names these days are getting out of hand
Somerichdude
The alphabet people keep on taking more letters for themselves.
rusrsdude
A sort of slang for giving a limited number of examples without being overly specific. Similar to using etc.
rusrsdude
"They have to do xyz(a few things) before going here. They're gonna be late."
Musicosity
Xyz is just a kid...you can't do them.
rusrsdude
In this case, the speaker knows what the 'few things' are, but aren't being specific about it.
TMP5
thanks for clearing this out for me.
RadicalLeftist
Because America has 1.2 guns per person. States with fewer guns have fewer deaths, states with higher gun control laws have fewer desths
RubyDJMoon
that is a very sewed statistic because some gun collectors have upwards of a 100 guns
Somerichdude
Vermont by itself shows otherwise. A bunch of guns with little crime, including gun crimes.
hedgewizard
Simply put, bullshit.
DarkSock
Because in your simple bubble world your feelings trump facts.
RadicalLeftist
This ranks states by gun laws as well as deaths. The top 10 states have very poor gun laws and the 10 best atates have great gun laws.
RadicalLeftist
https://lawcenter.giffords.org/scorecard/#CO
adrielus
Huh? The kid was strangled with a shoe lace. What the hell does gun control have to do with this?
RadicalLeftist
Did you read the words in the original post at all. The mum brought up guns very defensively so i was commenting on that part of it.
adrielus
and another.... look previously. . .
johnytwodicks
Dunno why you’re being downvoted, the guy was explicitly criticizing gun control as misguided
RadicalLeftist
Who knows. Cognitive dissonance allows them to ignore the real facts and just downvote the entire concept
Drecasi
When it comes down to it, someone who intends to hurt another will find the means to do it regardless of the law or "gun control".
WarlockSniper
I'd rather face a guy armed with a sword, knife, hammer or baseballbat than a guy with a 22. caliber rifle.
Somerichdude
Within 21 feet a knife is a better weapon than a gun, even if it's knife vs gun. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
RadicalLeftist
If youre trained with a knife. The mortality rate from knife crime is lower
WarlockSniper
I guess everyone is a trained knife fighter and master of the blade... There is a reason why guns took over from bladed weapons in war...
IOwnTheSpire
So why bother having laws if people are just going to break them?
Somerichdude
Why bother stacking laws that won't affect the shootings? Like this last one in Texas broke a ton of laws and the laws didn't stop him.
RadicalLeftist
Because it has in other countries and even shown a big difference between states. Do you want us to do nothing about this?
RadicalLeftist
But the rates of harm are much higher with guns and the end result is more likely death.
FutureFabricator
So we need to do both. Better control of guns while also tackling the mental health problem. Instead of just blaming one or the other.
beradImaginationMaker
The gun debate is 1000x more complex than this. https://www.c-span.org/video/?462597-5/the-war-guns
RadicalLeftist
That brings up whether blaming shootings on mental health creates a harmful stigma around mental health. Its also not a significant factor