Is she talented? Yes. Do 90% of her songs sound exactly the same, like someone is bleeding out in a bear trap while also trying to do an ASMR video? Also yes. Is her brother -- who writes most of her songs knowing full well his sister is singing them -- super creepy and probably going to end up on a 60 Minutes episode? Again, yes.
My daughter liked her music years ago, it's not my thing. But I saw her on My Next Guest Needs No Introduction w/David Letterman and was quite impressed with her.
I love her so much, and yes she's incredibly talented. But her music definitely seems to follow a certain vibe, and she kinda sticks to that vibe. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, most artists have a certain style (Adele, Taylor Swift, Kiiara). Billy Eilish falls into the "airy falsetto" style for me, like kinda dreamy, not powerhouse, with small range and slow melodic transitions. Can you show me what you mean with her having a wider range?
Im 29, and wouldnt date someone who actively body shames men, i have some self respect. Get some for yourself, maybe it would help with learning some decency.
Here you go, hat-tipper. I gave you your precious internet points back. Good job digging up one interview (hardly the "constantly talking shit" you claim) from an 18 year old girl half a decade ago that you still hold onto like a personal insult. Sad, misogynist incels really are fucking pathetic.
When she was a minor and stated that she lacked the skills or maturity to handle what she knew would be constant body criticism because of her developing shape. Yes. We put too much on adolescent kids who are just trying to deal with hormones.
People keep saying it was when she was a minor, which is fair, but it also shouldn't matter in how she chooses to present herself. Even if she was in her twenties and wanted to be "frumpy" there is nothing wrong with it nor is there anything wrong with changing one's mind about their presentation. It isn't like David Bowie picked one look and stuck with it for his entire life.
Yes, but in this particular case, the reason for the frumpy dress is exactly for this very sad reason of her not wanting to be sexualized by men her dads age at 15 years old.
I know I'm going to get crucified for this but since when is a 17 year old a kid? By rights an 18 year old would also be a 'kid' then. Not like they hit some sort of maturity bomb when the clock strikes midnight.
Biologically an 18 year old isn't done growing. So yeah. But being recognised as a legal adult in society grants them more rights and responsibilities. It doesn't mean others are off the hook for not recognising their immaturity. There's a reason older people who pursue 18 year olds are regarded as creeps.
It's certainly arbitrary, yes, for it to be illegal, rape, and even pedophilia - the most vile thing we have - for a person to sleep with another person who's 17, and then one hour later they turn 18 and it's suddenly fully legal, moral, and (largely) socially acceptable for the same thing to happen. Nothing changed besides compliance under the law, which we all know is not inherently moral in and of itself.
So what's a reasonable approach to judging the situation? Probably seeing it as a gradual spectrum, where SAing a toddler is considerably worse than statutory with a willing teen, and we use separate words; and the exact degree of the ages or gap determines the level of offense, on both sides of the legal age of consent. I'd trust a guy that had sex with a 16 year old, in a relationship, when he was 19, a billion times more than someone who kidnapped a ten year old at the store. To some degree
most people agree but the specifics are a matter of opinion. Like 18 and 36... Legal, but... Fine, or creepy? Depends who you ask. Personally, I think the whole half your age plus 7, as memetic and cutesy as it is, is actually a pretty good rule. I also think we should stop counting by years if there's any question, because that's a 730 day margin of error. 16 yr old and 19 yr old have sex, ok, so what if yesterday was 16's birthday and tomorrow is 18's, so they're close to 15 and 20?
If she wants tea, she can have tea. Before she didn’t want to show off her tea. Now she seems to have decided she wants to try showing off how nice her tea set looks.
The important part is that she has every right to decide when and how much she wants to share her tea with others.
It’s weird to be bothered by someone’s relationship with tea. (Tolerance paradox notwithstanding of course; fuck the fuckers.)
warpfactor1
Kat dennigs 2.0
scuba7jb
SinfulDeviant
therandombagofmeat
I was not expecting that under all those baggy clothes wow
Nightcaste
I saw a video of her in something like a ball gown, and holy crap.
deetatron
KillingTlme
Somehow this will piss off the Right Wingers because her name is Billie.
AManCalledAMan
rbudrick
Whether her music is your thing or not, she has an absolutely fantastic voice and range. Undeniable talent, and I am no pop fan.
Woestkonijn
I experience some mild envy here. Goddamn.
BrandonMoon
Only time I ever wanted to be a lesbian.
aldunsmuir360
So far.
ISayShenanigans
Merry Christmas 🎄 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs8-Iiogbl0&pp=ygUdQmlsbGllIEVpbGxpc2ggU05MIENocmlzdG1hcyA%3D
LtKernelPopcorn
Is she talented? Yes. Do 90% of her songs sound exactly the same, like someone is bleeding out in a bear trap while also trying to do an ASMR video? Also yes. Is her brother -- who writes most of her songs knowing full well his sister is singing them -- super creepy and probably going to end up on a 60 Minutes episode? Again, yes.
jrntn
That second part betrays the fact that you've heard exactly one of her songs and extrapolated the rest lol
linexnewt
My daughter liked her music years ago, it's not my thing. But I saw her on My Next Guest Needs No Introduction w/David Letterman and was quite impressed with her.
Spiritsue
Elder millennial me, can confirm she’s very good, wide range
duhqueenmoki
wide range? of what? (if you mean her music, I think 90% of her music very much has a very small range of style)
Spiritsue
I would suggest you haven’t seen a whole lot of stuff she’s done, honestly very talented
duhqueenmoki
I love her so much, and yes she's incredibly talented. But her music definitely seems to follow a certain vibe, and she kinda sticks to that vibe. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, most artists have a certain style (Adele, Taylor Swift, Kiiara). Billy Eilish falls into the "airy falsetto" style for me, like kinda dreamy, not powerhouse, with small range and slow melodic transitions. Can you show me what you mean with her having a wider range?
Winningguacamole
Never been a fan of her. All body positivity until she just constantly talks shit about ugly guys. She is a misandrist.
mooseablethenok
Lol, you are the gross old man she never wants to fuck. Die mad.
Winningguacamole
Im 29, and wouldnt date someone who actively body shames men, i have some self respect. Get some for yourself, maybe it would help with learning some decency.
Winningguacamole
https://www.reddit.com/r/billieeilish/s/umYP9A7pSO
RestlessVagabond
Drop us just one link where she's "talked shit about ugly guys."
Winningguacamole
Literally right fucking there
Winningguacamole
https://www.reddit.com/r/billieeilish/s/umYP9A7pSO
Winningguacamole
Asks me to drop one link, drops the link, downvotes the link. Man the blinders are fucking long on you billie simps.
RestlessVagabond
Here you go, hat-tipper. I gave you your precious internet points back. Good job digging up one interview (hardly the "constantly talking shit" you claim) from an 18 year old girl half a decade ago that you still hold onto like a personal insult. Sad, misogynist incels really are fucking pathetic.
MichaelHatch
She looks sad...
mooseablethenok
Pretty sure this is the shoot for "Happier than ever" and that album is 110 percent melancholy.
barrocoyote
It's an artistic vogue photoshoot, you aren't exactly supposed to smile lol
AnUnfortunateFreezeFrame
I think you missed the joke
AnUnfortunateFreezeFrame
not that it's a good joke..
SilverFoxChaser
Wasn't this the artist who always dressed frumpy so people wouldn't sexualize her. Owell. Whatever makes her happy. Makes me happy.
stinkinbadger
When she was younger than 18, yes
Shewy92
When she was 17, yes.
mooseablethenok
When she was a child, yes.
DanielAsparagus
When she was a minor and stated that she lacked the skills or maturity to handle what she knew would be constant body criticism because of her developing shape. Yes. We put too much on adolescent kids who are just trying to deal with hormones.
PenguinRiderKing
Wow the number of nearly exact same replies to this is hilarious.
pirateninjaunicornattacksquad
Yes, she did that while she was a teenager, aka a minor. Now that she's an adult she no longer sees it as an issue.
ChicanoBatman
When she was just a yoot, yes. With her brother, they were two yoots, yes
TheBigBadBonerBiter
During an era of her life in which legal adult status was not achieved, yes.
TheBurpyPony
She was "grossed out" thinking middle aged men, men her Dad's age, would sexualize her.
FallingStar7669
When her age was between but not including 0 and 19, yes.
DrDred
Yes. It's almost like people change as they age. Who would have thought?
wylkyn
I thought it was because of body dysmorphia issues.
destruction
When she was aye but a wee lass, yes.
dizzyturtle
I checked her Instagram page and she still dresses frumpy.
Dobster
Whaaaat?! Well, then I don't understand ANY of this! /s
OphelianAshe
For the pre-adult years of her life, yes
GloriousPirateBeard
Everyone saying it was only when she was a minor, she came out recently and said it again so...
tzahtman
People keep saying it was when she was a minor, which is fair, but it also shouldn't matter in how she chooses to present herself. Even if she was in her twenties and wanted to be "frumpy" there is nothing wrong with it nor is there anything wrong with changing one's mind about their presentation. It isn't like David Bowie picked one look and stuck with it for his entire life.
mooseablethenok
Yes, but in this particular case, the reason for the frumpy dress is exactly for this very sad reason of her not wanting to be sexualized by men her dads age at 15 years old.
16bitStarbuck
When she was a kid, yes.
SilverFoxChaser
I know I'm going to get crucified for this but since when is a 17 year old a kid? By rights an 18 year old would also be a 'kid' then. Not like they hit some sort of maturity bomb when the clock strikes midnight.
16bitStarbuck
I'm just attempting to make a humorous comment in line with the others.
Superchief86
Biologically an 18 year old isn't done growing. So yeah. But being recognised as a legal adult in society grants them more rights and responsibilities. It doesn't mean others are off the hook for not recognising their immaturity. There's a reason older people who pursue 18 year olds are regarded as creeps.
KidShenck
For the purposes of public sexual displays, that is a kid.
whatspaulplayingtoday
I'm sorry. They are still a kid at 18, IMO. By law, no, but by and large around the world? I'd still consider it so.
SilverFoxChaser
That's kinda what I was getting at. I'm not creeping on her I just think the entire thing is hypocritical. Like Meghan Trainor or Lizzo.
Larktonguesinadicecup
It's certainly arbitrary, yes, for it to be illegal, rape, and even pedophilia - the most vile thing we have - for a person to sleep with another person who's 17, and then one hour later they turn 18 and it's suddenly fully legal, moral, and (largely) socially acceptable for the same thing to happen. Nothing changed besides compliance under the law, which we all know is not inherently moral in and of itself.
bingotown
And in most US states, it is 16, not 18.
Larktonguesinadicecup
So what's a reasonable approach to judging the situation? Probably seeing it as a gradual spectrum, where SAing a toddler is considerably worse than statutory with a willing teen, and we use separate words; and the exact degree of the ages or gap determines the level of offense, on both sides of the legal age of consent. I'd trust a guy that had sex with a 16 year old, in a relationship, when he was 19, a billion times more than someone who kidnapped a ten year old at the store. To some degree
Larktonguesinadicecup
most people agree but the specifics are a matter of opinion. Like 18 and 36... Legal, but... Fine, or creepy? Depends who you ask. Personally, I think the whole half your age plus 7, as memetic and cutesy as it is, is actually a pretty good rule. I also think we should stop counting by years if there's any question, because that's a 730 day margin of error. 16 yr old and 19 yr old have sex, ok, so what if yesterday was 16's birthday and tomorrow is 18's, so they're close to 15 and 20?
OmegaKamidake
Hell, 25 year olds are still kids.
TheBurpyPony
Hell! I'm pushing 60 and I'm still a kid. Just ask my wife of 30 years.
16bitStarbuck
Nah, you should be old enough to understand.
JayCrossing
She's only thirty? You dog...
oakleaves
If she wants tea, she can have tea. Before she didn’t want to show off her tea. Now she seems to have decided she wants to try showing off how nice her tea set looks.
The important part is that she has every right to decide when and how much she wants to share her tea with others.
It’s weird to be bothered by someone’s relationship with tea. (Tolerance paradox notwithstanding of course; fuck the fuckers.)
TheRedBaron8
You British pongo!
oakleaves
https://youtu.be/oQbei5JGiT8
Nostradamuswaswrong
Is this another one of those new slang terms the youth are trying to use these days? The fuck is 'tea'?
Woestkonijn
https://youtu.be/oQbei5JGiT8?si=h2mI-QeyQ8FlwuFp
CakeOrGlory
Bingo.
philmoregraves
This is well put
SrPootStank
Is anybody bothered?
Jordan7831
I thought we were talking about thighs. What kind of tea is this? English breakfast? Earl gray?!?
JayCrossing
Naugh-tea
oakleaves
https://youtu.be/oQbei5JGiT8?si=h2mI-QeyQ8FlwuFp
Jordan7831
Thx. Never heard this reference before