There will come a time where blood will be spilled in such a way that NO ONE can deny whats happening and lines will be written in stone. Then no one will he able to stay neutral and they will have to chose a side, l we t them live and die with their choice.
I am horrified, but also not. America taught intellectual dishonesty to everyone it could. Everyone without massive wealth was sold distractions, comfort, convenience, and pharmaceutical drugs (which counts as all three a lot). When everyone is blind, the worst can be done.
(Also this sorta thing has been getting done on behalf of America to undeserving folks for the entire lifespan of the American nation state. Not that that makes it okay, but it means it needs to be dismantled because it's clearly a machine that ruins a planet and its inhabitants so 3000 people can have a life of unfulfilling wild experiences.)
@op the thing we failed to truely realise is that USA have a deep ideological problem. You can eventually get rid of this regime but the truth is a huge portion of the population wants this. How do you change the mind of 30 mils people? Especially people that hate empathy and tolerance? In Germany it only worked because they went to the point of no return and got severely punished. And tbh, even with all that, it’s coming back hard atm… I think the problem is deeper and global.
Humanity is sick and needs to abandon the old ways to survive. Empathy, caring for others and the planet need to be what humanity focuses on but we are doing the total opposite and for that we will be doomed.
Oh, we are. We're just sick and tired of reading and listening about it day in and day out. Every day for the past 6 years or so. There don't go day without hearing some new fucked up thing that Trump or his circle did... Even if it's some pathetic as "Trump tweeted 200 times in the past hour".
Like, come on man, enough is enough. All I does is boosting their ego, because you guys can't seem to stop talking about them. It's worse than the Kardashians, like who ever gives a flying fuck?
The same was said during slavery, the same was said suring WW1 and WW2, the same was said during the Civil rights movement.. guess what happened? We won.. they didnt.
Look it's not that I'm not horrified when I think about it, it's that I'm too fucking tired to think about it and remain in fight or flight mode at all times. I think a lot of Americans are currently in survival mode.
I had to explain to someone on YouTube that trump taking Ukraines mineral rights was mafia. People are so brainwashed that they excuse anything trump does.
Most are horrified. Being horrified does not do anything to stop the horrors. Fascists depend on despair and horror and wield both deliberately in an effort to convince people not to take the necessary action to stop them, because fascism is only stopped with action. Protests and memes are not action, only complaints and commentary.
¹ “The American Negro has the great advantage of having never believed the collection of myths to which white Americans cling: that their ancestors were all freedom-loving heroes, that they were born in the greatest country the world has ever seen, or that Americans are invincible in battle and wise in peace, that Americans have always dealt honorably with Mexicans and Indians and all other neighbors or inferiors, that American men are the world's most direct and virile...
² that American women are pure. Negroes know far more about white Americans than that; it can almost be said, in fact, that they know about white Americans what parents—or, anyway, mothers—know about their children, and that they very often regard white Americans that way. And perhaps this attitude, held in spite of what they know and have endured, helps to explain why Negroes, on the whole, and until lately, have allowed themselves to feel so little hatred. ...
³ The tendency has really been, insofar as this was possible, to dismiss white people as the slightly mad victims of their own brainwashing.” ― James Baldwin, The Fire Next Time
The guns are not for the apocalypse, contrary to the various Mad Max fantasies, they are for when the brownshirts knock at the door, and when the Hitler Youth accost one in the street.
We have multiple problems and no universal solutions.
I live in a gunfree country, and have enough supplies to last me weeks possibly months if rationed: not a prepper but just a bargain hunter that stacks up when things are half price or under. But if someone else has a gun, he'll take my supplies whenever he wants.
Same. White dude, standard suburban dad uniform, buzz cut, in a deep red state, and a profession that attracts conservative types. I get some real ugly looks when I tell them I don't get why their racist jokes are funny. Fuckers are thick on the ground around here.
I've worked in a tonne of different trades and environments and can honestly say it's everywhere. There were a lot more of them in the metal shop, lumber yard, and construction site, but I've met many office/sales dummies who fit right in belief wise they just feel superior to the piss-on good ole boys lower down the ladder. I've gleefully been despised by most of them because I never let them get away with their shit. They can never take what they dish, just a bunch of weak wannabe tough boys.
You're not alone and there are many people who are better off than you who want to help. Talk to your neighbors, friends, acquaintances, and anyone else you interact with to organize in support of one another. Part of the culture war BS the rich have sold you for decades is that everyone around you is your adversary and that you need to do everything yourself. That is complete shit. There's no shame in asking for help and helping where you can. People will back you if you all stand up together.
I had a very sleepless night last night worrying about the current events. And I'm not even in the US. We really to see some justice soon, I'm losing faith in the system.
In the 90s I registered as a Republican because if people were being lined up on a wall and shot, it would not be Democrats doing it (I am hard left). America was already too authoritarian when NWA wrote "fuck the police." It only got worse after that.
I honestly thought something like this was gonna happen like 15 years ago. I came up with a plan but I suck at having energy and motivation on top of no idea how to implement it. Basically I developed a way for people to understand their emotions better. Republicans at the base don’t understand things that well about themselves or have much emotional literacy. The model is based on something from traditional Thai medicine where the four elements create harmony and balance.
For example: Trump is fire and wind dominant. He is passionate and speaks a lot. But he has low earth and water. That mean his wind makes him more chaotic and rambling with many tangents than a concrete point. He is also quick to anger where more water would help sooth that. Also having high fire and wind, he breaks things down around him much easier, like a raging forest fire. And he also blows though money, money being a main characteristic of water. The best way to deal with a fire & wind…
…is to counter act with the appropriate elemental response. Elements always increase with groups and never alone (except wind). If you increase earth and water (structure & flexibility) you will decrease fire and wind. But you can also do earth, water, fire to make him less crazy but will make him angrier. Water and fire will make him less crazy but also more unstable. Earth, water, wind will lower his fire but make him crazier. Fire wind will just make everything worst but he will burn out fast
The real problem is the moment you make anything political, people just shut down or get entrenched. So this has to be delivered in a natural way that people can absorb it and start using it to make more sense of the world and what they can do to use it to help them feel better.
There's a 2nd part to that too though. They've stoked the BS culture war for decades. They have convinced Americans that everyone is on their own and everyone around them cannot be trusted and is only out for themselves. It's fucking insidious. Americans legit think their neighbors won't help them and they are convinced asking for help is weak and something to be ashamed of. Pooling resources and supporting one another is the only way they are going to take down the rich.
Man, I hear you. I was around for the rise of the moral majority, I've watched us march towards this moment the whole time. It's like this has been lurking in the shadows my whole life. I'm tired too. I'm so damn tired that I'm certain I know exactly how Kassandra felt. But you gotta keep moving forward. Even if it's just inch by inch. Just little things. Be kind to someone, drop a few quarters in a donation box, donate some canned goods. Just keep moving forward, however you can.
I was pretty young when the MM was active, but my parents were big opponents of pretty much everything they stood for, and were fairly frank with us kids about the kind of bullshit they were pulling. The Satanic Panic I was when I started to realize that some people just don't give a fuck about the difference between reality and willing self-delusion.
We tried this approach of considering them human. It obviously failed. In my opinion individuals can only lose their status as humans deserving human rights through their actions. Never through their origin, so their children are of course in need of our help.
It only fails when we stop seeing them as drastically flawed people, which is what they are, and decide that they are subhuman. Not everyone can change their mind/beliefs but enough can that it's worth continuing to be humane. I understand how far things have fallen in recent decades, but people are people, the bad stuff is humanity too and executing everyone who's brain isn't in the right place is no different than what they want to do to the groups they feel are destructive and evil.
Their "flaws" are cruelty, seeing and treating others as subhuman, killing people, raping children, enslaving others. They actively decided against humanity. They are not human. They don't even qualify to be considered animals. Wild animals are more civilized than them.
EllisHobbs
It's a very scary time in our nation's history.
PennysWorthOfTea
Extra fun are the folks who say you're over-reacting
dbox
I've been horrified since I had awareness to be horrified. Early 1990s. Minorities have been horrified for centuries.
DutchBoeremeisie
People who need to use AI to put text on a background is irksome, too, though.
Digitalwolf
Keep going! This is the final throws of the super rich and the racists. Stop them one last time. Blue wave!
Comet260
"It doesn't affect MEEEE!!!" will be this country's epitaph.
NaSMaX
There will come a time where blood will be spilled in such a way that NO ONE can deny whats happening and lines will be written in stone. Then no one will he able to stay neutral and they will have to chose a side, l we t them live and die with their choice.
SacrificialClam
What is that comma doing there????
lurkerthatoccationallywantstocomment
Born and raised in Utah, which makes that most of my family. I absolutely hate each and every one of them
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Born in Tennessee and raised in Louisiana.
Same. My family can rot for all I care.
wuapinmon
Hugs, Brother Jensen. (I left the Church too). I don't hate mine, but I don't like half the folks I "love."
pinkmansaidthebest
Im still asking? Who do you see? The celebrity on TV, or the racist, pedo, adulterer, failed business, con man?
TheRealArclight
TheMindEntropic
I am horrified, but also not. America taught intellectual dishonesty to everyone it could. Everyone without massive wealth was sold distractions, comfort, convenience, and pharmaceutical drugs (which counts as all three a lot). When everyone is blind, the worst can be done.
TheMindEntropic
(Also this sorta thing has been getting done on behalf of America to undeserving folks for the entire lifespan of the American nation state. Not that that makes it okay, but it means it needs to be dismantled because it's clearly a machine that ruins a planet and its inhabitants so 3000 people can have a life of unfulfilling wild experiences.)
meowingintensifies
horrified, bitter (corrosively sad, angry, and dissatisfied), anxious, and exhausted. I don't see myself living past my 40s.
voidmain
@op the thing we failed to truely realise is that USA have a deep ideological problem. You can eventually get rid of this regime but the truth is a huge portion of the population wants this. How do you change the mind of 30 mils people? Especially people that hate empathy and tolerance? In Germany it only worked because they went to the point of no return and got severely punished. And tbh, even with all that, it’s coming back hard atm… I think the problem is deeper and global.
voidmain
Humanity is sick and needs to abandon the old ways to survive. Empathy, caring for others and the planet need to be what humanity focuses on but we are doing the total opposite and for that we will be doomed.
Dajova
Oh, we are. We're just sick and tired of reading and listening about it day in and day out. Every day for the past 6 years or so. There don't go day without hearing some new fucked up thing that Trump or his circle did... Even if it's some pathetic as "Trump tweeted 200 times in the past hour".
Like, come on man, enough is enough. All I does is boosting their ego, because you guys can't seem to stop talking about them. It's worse than the Kardashians, like who ever gives a flying fuck?
ItsACrazyWorld
The same was said during slavery, the same was said suring WW1 and WW2, the same was said during the Civil rights movement.. guess what happened? We won.. they didnt.
sirbartonslady
Look it's not that I'm not horrified when I think about it, it's that I'm too fucking tired to think about it and remain in fight or flight mode at all times. I think a lot of Americans are currently in survival mode.
kaeldra
Yep I feel fucking insane every day
Pebblebro
I had to explain to someone on YouTube that trump taking Ukraines mineral rights was mafia. People are so brainwashed that they excuse anything trump does.
Bearinsin
Root out the evil
Arkvoodle
Most are horrified. Being horrified does not do anything to stop the horrors. Fascists depend on despair and horror and wield both deliberately in an effort to convince people not to take the necessary action to stop them, because fascism is only stopped with action. Protests and memes are not action, only complaints and commentary.
dbox
¹ “The American Negro has the great advantage of having never believed the collection of myths to which white Americans cling: that their ancestors were all freedom-loving heroes, that they were born in the greatest country the world has ever seen, or that Americans are invincible in battle and wise in peace, that Americans have always dealt honorably with Mexicans and Indians and all other neighbors or inferiors, that American men are the world's most direct and virile...
dbox
² that American women are pure. Negroes know far more about white Americans than that; it can almost be said, in fact, that they know about white Americans what parents—or, anyway, mothers—know about their children, and that they very often regard white Americans that way. And perhaps this attitude, held in spite of what they know and have endured, helps to explain why Negroes, on the whole, and until lately, have allowed themselves to feel so little hatred. ...
dbox
³ The tendency has really been, insofar as this was possible, to dismiss white people as the slightly mad victims of their own brainwashing.”
― James Baldwin, The Fire Next Time
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
The people who are not horrified are why I carry a gun. I have for a long time, because they've always been here.
I just didn't know there were so damn many.
iiii
When society collapses and the water and food supply are compromised, how are guns going to help?
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
The guns are not for the apocalypse, contrary to the various Mad Max fantasies, they are for when the brownshirts knock at the door, and when the Hitler Youth accost one in the street.
We have multiple problems and no universal solutions.
ricpaul
I live in a gunfree country, and have enough supplies to last me weeks possibly months if rationed: not a prepper but just a bargain hunter that stacks up when things are half price or under. But if someone else has a gun, he'll take my supplies whenever he wants.
Surisuule
I kinda expected the Nazis in my lifetime, but I didn't expect what I thought were normal apparently sane people cheering them on.
11Weasel11
Yeah, that's why the gun. Buy one, learn to use it. Go to the range, practice.
Surisuule
Yep. Don't like ranges, though. Too many Nazis. I'll keep using the backyard. Keeps property values nice and low.
11Weasel11
I do love the initiative, but some of us live in cities with ShotSpotter sensors on every other street light pole.
Affray
1)I'm a bearded white dude with a shaved head in rural Canada. It's spooky how many racist, misogynist, bigoted, gun toting, Liberal hating
Affray
2)good ole boys have outed themselves to me simply because I look like like I do. They are fucking everywhere waiting in the weeds.
tfoot77
Same. White dude, standard suburban dad uniform, buzz cut, in a deep red state, and a profession that attracts conservative types. I get some real ugly looks when I tell them I don't get why their racist jokes are funny. Fuckers are thick on the ground around here.
Affray
I've worked in a tonne of different trades and environments and can honestly say it's everywhere. There were a lot more of them in the metal shop, lumber yard, and construction site, but I've met many office/sales dummies who fit right in belief wise they just feel superior to the piss-on good ole boys lower down the ladder. I've gleefully been despised by most of them because I never let them get away with their shit. They can never take what they dish, just a bunch of weak wannabe tough boys.
GBMaker
35 years ago I knew this was going to happen. I'm too tired fighting for my existence to do anything about it.
StellarJay77
You're not alone and there are many people who are better off than you who want to help. Talk to your neighbors, friends, acquaintances, and anyone else you interact with to organize in support of one another. Part of the culture war BS the rich have sold you for decades is that everyone around you is your adversary and that you need to do everything yourself. That is complete shit. There's no shame in asking for help and helping where you can. People will back you if you all stand up together.
johneventually1
35 years ago today I was 6. It sucks that I didn't get to enjoy the FA and mainly get to experience FO
kurvarVillain
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Those of the left have been warning that this was the inevitable outcome of our nation's culture for a century.
The Imperialist boomerang always comes home eventually.
TREXSEXISARMLESS
I had a very sleepless night last night worrying about the current events. And I'm not even in the US. We really to see some justice soon, I'm losing faith in the system.
kurvarVillain
In the 90s I registered as a Republican because if people were being lined up on a wall and shot, it would not be Democrats doing it (I am hard left). America was already too authoritarian when NWA wrote "fuck the police." It only got worse after that.
redpandabanana
I honestly thought something like this was gonna happen like 15 years ago. I came up with a plan but I suck at having energy and motivation on top of no idea how to implement it. Basically I developed a way for people to understand their emotions better. Republicans at the base don’t understand things that well about themselves or have much emotional literacy. The model is based on something from traditional Thai medicine where the four elements create harmony and balance.
redpandabanana
For example: Trump is fire and wind dominant. He is passionate and speaks a lot. But he has low earth and water. That mean his wind makes him more chaotic and rambling with many tangents than a concrete point. He is also quick to anger where more water would help sooth that. Also having high fire and wind, he breaks things down around him much easier, like a raging forest fire. And he also blows though money, money being a main characteristic of water. The best way to deal with a fire & wind…
redpandabanana
…is to counter act with the appropriate elemental response. Elements always increase with groups and never alone (except wind). If you increase earth and water (structure & flexibility) you will decrease fire and wind. But you can also do earth, water, fire to make him less crazy but will make him angrier. Water and fire will make him less crazy but also more unstable. Earth, water, wind will lower his fire but make him crazier. Fire wind will just make everything worst but he will burn out fast
redpandabanana
And just increasing wind (which is chaos or movement) will just break everything down including yourself.
redpandabanana
The real problem is the moment you make anything political, people just shut down or get entrenched. So this has to be delivered in a natural way that people can absorb it and start using it to make more sense of the world and what they can do to use it to help them feel better.
NomDeImguerre
And that's how they'll win. Keep people on the edge of survival, so they're too busy struggling but not yet desperate enough to make things change.
StellarJay77
There's a 2nd part to that too though. They've stoked the BS culture war for decades. They have convinced Americans that everyone is on their own and everyone around them cannot be trusted and is only out for themselves. It's fucking insidious. Americans legit think their neighbors won't help them and they are convinced asking for help is weak and something to be ashamed of. Pooling resources and supporting one another is the only way they are going to take down the rich.
tfoot77
Man, I hear you. I was around for the rise of the moral majority, I've watched us march towards this moment the whole time. It's like this has been lurking in the shadows my whole life. I'm tired too. I'm so damn tired that I'm certain I know exactly how Kassandra felt. But you gotta keep moving forward. Even if it's just inch by inch. Just little things. Be kind to someone, drop a few quarters in a donation box, donate some canned goods. Just keep moving forward, however you can.
InitHello
Moral majority was a few years before my time, but I definitely remember the heyday of the satanic panic. Wild times, and they only got wilder.
tfoot77
I was pretty young when the MM was active, but my parents were big opponents of pretty much everything they stood for, and were fairly frank with us kids about the kind of bullshit they were pulling. The Satanic Panic I was when I started to realize that some people just don't give a fuck about the difference between reality and willing self-delusion.
Antininny
extra comma
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Oh, great. The grammar nazis have shown up.
GanjaPlanet
Oh, great. A grammar Nazi Nazi has shown up. 🙄
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
INCOMPETENT Grammar Nazi, thank you very much.
Antininny
You're a pothead. I'm a pothead.
GanjaPlanet
We were born on the right planet.
Antininny
Let us smoke the ninnies away together.
PolitiCat
They are not people.
Affray
1)They absolutely are. Pretending they are inhuman is exactly the mentality that leads to their lack of empathy. Even if they're driven
Affray
2)entirely by uneducated hate, or they're genuine psychopaths who want you dead, they're human people and their kids will need our help.
PolitiCat
We tried this approach of considering them human. It obviously failed.
In my opinion individuals can only lose their status as humans deserving human rights through their actions. Never through their origin, so their children are of course in need of our help.
Affray
It only fails when we stop seeing them as drastically flawed people, which is what they are, and decide that they are subhuman. Not everyone can change their mind/beliefs but enough can that it's worth continuing to be humane. I understand how far things have fallen in recent decades, but people are people, the bad stuff is humanity too and executing everyone who's brain isn't in the right place is no different than what they want to do to the groups they feel are destructive and evil.
PolitiCat
Their "flaws" are cruelty, seeing and treating others as subhuman, killing people, raping children, enslaving others. They actively decided against humanity. They are not human. They don't even qualify to be considered animals. Wild animals are more civilized than them.
PolitiCat
The tolerance paradox: tolerance requires intolerance against intolerant individuals.