People are assuming it’s the AI showing racism towards POC—apparently y’all missed how AIs have been explicitly told by their developers to depict POC everywhere. People were asking one to generate 16th century Scottish people… all Black, East Asian, etc. Generate Thomas Jefferson? He’s Black, apparently. Pee Wee Herman? Yep, Black.
See those tags at the end. The person created it guided it and varied it to get to that point. -v is a variation and you feed it a prompt. Ai may be racist but in this case it’s just the asshole putting the day at in
For some context https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/21/24079371/google-ai-gemini-generative-inaccurate-historical Its not just google either. Midjourney does it too. Even if you specify an ethnicity they will randomize it in an attempt to combat racial bias and not to just produe a bunch of white people or whatever the dataset finds to be the most common ethnicity. Also Midjourney gives you 4 images to start and you pick which one to finalize, meaning this was their 'friends' decision.
remember kids, you are not immune to propaganda! In this case it looks like a russian user generated a very specific image and then put it out there that Midjourney was racist to get you mad about AI
If a white guy is going to rob a store, they're going to foreclose on the store for being a couple months behind on payments because of a global pandemic after they jacked up rates and then sell again for 25% over market value. Or start a bogus war and just start claiming property from the people that are trying to defend themselves.
@Ryebread91 Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "white man robbing a liquor store, in an illuminated manuscript, hyper realistic, cute amigurumi, charcoal forensic sketch in the center of a conspiracy theory string evidence board, straight red connections to other objects"
[NSFW] @JustSomePersonThere Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "newspaper photograph of a white man robbing a convenience store, a detailed labeled photographic textbook diagram showing different types, large bold text, futurism art style"
[NSFW] @gearsmith Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "SSJ4 Goku robbing a convenience store run by a namek, dragon ball z, anime, in Woodstock, high ornamented light armor, foggy, wet, stormy, 70mm, cinematic, highly detailed"
[NSFW] @HypoHyperHippo Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Whiteman robbing a shop, suit made of brown leather, catalogue photograph, full body, intricate, highly detailed, photorealistic, 32k, in style of Christian Schloe"
[NSFW] @InboxmeyourHDGIFS Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "white man robbing a store (super hero), mysterious dark nature background, walking on a mossy elevated rock walkway in the clouds"
Hate to be a downer on your 'racists r bad' circle jerk here, but the prompt format there implies they ran through many, many interations of that prompt before getting that. If you run that prompt on actual AI, or even on Midjourney itself, you will get pictures of white men in a store. Sometimes with leather gloves and a mask. The person who made this likely focused on those aspects until the leather gloves and mask became the person's skin.
was about to say that , i generate some furry porn and other stuff , generated over 2500 things so far , some is cursed beyond belief , some stuff is decent.
As a person of color, AI and facial recognition have a long way to go before I would put any kind of trust in it. Yet we have many people and police departments doing just that. All im saying is let's pump the brakes some before we start putting people in jail because an algorithm said so
For sure. Facial recognition and reconstruction is really bad for non-whites. Making the person white in those algorithms is the default most of the time. AI has a long way to go towards being reliable, and we'll likely never be able to trust it fully outside of human oversight.
That's exactly what I meant and you're a very smart person for reading between the lines like that to get the true essence of both my post and my worldview on the whole.
And it make pictures of white guys outside the weird prompt where they asked it to draw 'whiteman' for some reason and confused the thing about what the heck they wanted.
That's interesting you got some that are not correct. I wonder if the algorithm is sometimes not considering the color to be the person's skin color but instead what you want most of the color that makes up their shape to be. AI can be bizarre sometimes and interupt things in ways you wouldn't expect.
People need to understand how "AI" works, it doesn't create new things, it merges together millions of existing things... and guess what kind of photos plaster every republican owned news website about robbers...
The pictures of people who commit crimes. Check out crime statistics. The reason black people commit more crimes in America is because they are fed hand crafted propaganda that gives them a culture of crime. Doing hoodnrat shit with your friends. Being gangster. That's the racism, the systemic racism that turns black people into criminals. The reason they commit so much more crime than any other group. They even teach you to argue the wrong way. It isn't racist to point out that black people
Commit more crime. Black people commit more crime because of racism. It's how the system works. It's how people are converted into racism. "Look at how black people are. You hate them for a reason" keeping us all down together. Crabs in a pot.
It's more like creating new things than merging existing things. It doesn't really matter for bias though because anything trained on a dataset will reflect bias in that dataset. Humans do this too and unarguably are creative!
It's even funnier then that, most of the bots are programmed for force diversity no matter what. It's how they kept getting pictures of Asian and black n@zi's and racially diverse George Washington
Since the start of LLMs rise it has bothered me in an obscenely pedantic way that we are calling these platforms "AI" .....but I try not to say shit because it's a dumb hill to get slightly irritated on lol
There is no clear definition for AI. Even the Turing test is not valid anymore. The classic one anyway GPT 4 would probably pass that with a normal person. I mean it's artificial and it could be mistaken for intelligence
Agreed, but I could live with calling it VI if it got people to consider the difference....I mean people don't even consider the difference between various types of intelligence to begin with (e.g. emotional, spacial, interpersonal, etc.) so not holding my breath.
I'd say that it is the common vernacular, but I wouldn't agree it is functionally hitting that mark. The Turing test had historically been the mark for what constitutes "AI" but I think we have found that to be insufficient, even if LLMs often can't pass it anyway. In the same way an NPC is designed to appear lifelike, but still boils down to if/else statements, there's no behavior which is truly emergent in an intelligent sense. We don't see a Roomba as having AI right?
Well, I'd argue that has more to do with our tendency to anthropomorphize stuff around us (as social creatures). I don't see it as having AI because it's just performing a pattern which also equates to if/else statements. Bump into object, turn right, go forward, etc. there's all kinds of hardware that can complete much more complex tasks that we don't equate to AI (CNC/CAD for example).
The Turing test wasn't ever the definition or sum total of AI, just a heuristic or rule of thumb. Tasks that have been described as AI include machine translation and object recognition, both of which are achievable now. AI does not mean "artificial general intelligence" or "something which replicates all aspects of human intelligence"
Fair points, at the same time the general sentiment of "AI" in culture has been more along the lines of artificial general intelligence, it just seems misleading in that context (and probably is, purposefully so to drive profits)
You actually need to understand how it works. It's not "merging existing things" because that, is called a collage. It "looks" at existing images and associates features of those images with words. Like being shown hundreds of pictures of faces and being told it's a "face" so when its told to generate a face then it generates one. You may want to look up how it actually works...
You pretty much just corrected him by saying the same thing. I'm obviously not the only person who sees that. You're so busy trying to be right that you're fighting with someone who said what you said but slightly different lol
Ummm. Its a tunable statistic parameter decision engine that looks for the most likely possible outcome from a database fished off the internet. If it makes racist decisions is because the parameters were not tuned appropriately for the database used. In this case using the twitter database it will produce these outcomes as they are the most likely based on the data (which is plagued with racism as the most interacted bits)
It's not the same thing though. Claiming it is the same thing would be like saying a human artist used existing works because they drew a straight line...
But this is not a straight line, it clearly associated a black individual with crime and dressed it in white. Cmon. If you asked a cartoonist to do this, you will end up likely with a Jimbo Jones holding up a convenience store with a winchester from the mid 1930s
I'm not talking about what the AI did in this image. I am talking about how AI works in general. Also I need to point out that AI is notoriously difficult when dealing with colors. Color bleed happens often. Like if you say "red hair" and "blue pants" you may get red hair/red pants, blue hair/blue pants, blue hair/red pants, or red hair/blue pants. Yes it's probably taken from a model that focused on black criminals, but using color terms with AI is hit or miss frequently as well.
Using hundreds of reference pictures to determine what something looks like and then generating an image based off of that would be called, to the layperson, "merging together existing things". The original comment was perfectly fine, your attempt to call it out was just being needlessly pedantic. And yeah, I do know how it actually works, I'm a professional software engineer who's built and trained learning algorithms.
If I heard "merging together" I'd think it would be layering them on top of each other and then creating an average of them. Which is not what's happening.
That is literally how humans learn to draw. And it is not "merging existing things" because that is literally what a collage is. Also in order to merge an existing thing, that thing has to no longer exist outside of the merged thing. What AI does is no different than a human looking at various images and creating a drawing based off those images. Just because it doesn't understand art doesn't mean it is somehow different...
1. No, it's not. 2. No, that's not what a collage is. 3. No, merging existing things doesn't mean the original can't exist (seriously, have you ever done any coding? that statement alone tells me the answer has to be "one time, maybe" at best lol). Machine learning algorithms work fundamentally differently than human learning, that's why they often produce wildly different results than what humans would. This is both a boon (they can spot things that humans would never connect) and a bane...
(they often connect things that make no sense to any human and aren't useful). If they learned the same way as humans, they'd be basically useless. The reason AI art is so easy to tell from human art is because the AI doesn't have any understanding of what it's drawing, that why you get 12 finger hands and scrambled text, because it's just merging together a bunch of different things its seen with the tags you requested, not caring about what the final picture looks like. Humans don't do that.
People: Society isn't racist! How could you think that?!? The unthinking algorithm trained on the totality of the internet churning out the average response:
Actually its funnier than that. Because AI datasets are limited and to combat racial bias some generators are made to randomize the ethnicity of the people in the picture even if its specified. Helps create more diverse pictures. This is why, for example, googles generator was pumping out black and asian nazis when asked for pictures or a black george washington. In sort to make the output less racist, it created scenarios where it could output something racist.
Oh yeah, I saw an article about that lol. FORCING diversity into all the pictures where its not even historically accurate for certain situations to have people of color, such as a scene with the founding fathers. "The results appeared to overwhelmingly or exclusively show AI-generated people of color."
@baals Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "white man robbing a store, in an explosion of flying Easter decorations, cinematic action photograph, traditional Chinese ink wash painting"
[NSFW] @Mydogatemycomments Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "white store robbing a man, a detailed labeled photographic textbook diagram showing different types, large bold text, in Leavenworth, suit made of brown leather, catalogue photograph, full body, intricate, highly detailed, photorealistic, 32k"
Society != the internet. I'm not saying society isn't racist, I'm saying this isn't really evidence of it. There is much more substantial evidence of it elsewhere.
Hunh, I'm kind of surprised people on here think the internet is an accurate reflection of society. Perhaps my assumptions are mistaken, I'd be interested to learn more about this if anyone would like to share.
I disagree. I'm old, been around a lot of people in a lot of areas. I've listened to how they act in public, and I've listened to their hushed conversations. The internet is what happens when they take off their masks. The proud ignorance. The racism, sexism, or random bigotries. The self righteous fury and the cruel harassment. People love to claim that the internet doesn't reflect society. And they are correct, it's not a reflection- it's the window to the soul of society.
But now that I think about it, it occurs to me that a lot of ugliness irl is tolerated because people are afraid to speak up for various reasons-- they don't want to make enemies of their neighbors, or they don't want to be mocked or whatever. So I mean I wonder how much of it is active bigotry etc, and how much is people who just go along with it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
And I'd still say that this fear is still prevalent on the internet. Fear doesn't just disappear. Fear isn't always unjustified. The internet citizens might claim to be brave, but speaking up is still a risky endeavor. Especially if you want to be accepted by a certain social group. Fear is a very human response, and what you fear on the internet might be how you truly feel in real life. Again, it scratches the surface reflection. This is who we are.
While this is a beautiful poem, it's more about the risks of not actively participating, of not shaping ones society. The fear you speak of, on the other hand, is an integral part of a working relationship between you and your peers. Humans are social animals. To us, social ousting feels a lot like physical pain. Social acceptance brings us a lot of joy. These positive and negative feedbacks correct our behaviour when empathy fails.
@kickmyballsrealhard Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "white man robbing a store, in a colorful and lively circus that is filled with performers and animals"
@garkonDsmusher Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "store white robbing man, in a cabin in the woods, in a castle ruins silhouette, highly detailed, intricate, night sky, devastation, galaxy, void, shadow, in an abandoned Redwood National Park"
@SwedeOnAnIsland Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "man robbing a shop, in a museum looking at a painting by Piet Mondrian, wood sculpture, as a beaded brooch"
@ReturnOfActionCheese Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Hyperrealism white man robbing a shop, upset after being stood up for a date at a fancy restaurant, photo"
@SwedeOnAnIsland Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "black man robbing a shop, epic 3D-rendered image of a chef in a dynamic and intense cooking showdown, holding very large angry bees"
I am not surprised to see that there's a lot of deleted comments surrounding such a volatile topic of discussion. At least people are trying to be civil qbout what is and isn't considered racism, regarding AI
Hmmm, 50-50 confirmation of the original post. Very bad when you consider that without further prompts, then you ask generative AI to draw a human, it is almost always a white person…except when you include “robbing” in the prompt
Well, AI uses the internet. And the majority of articles are about black people robbing places to scare white people. So it's definitely absorbing western civs bias
@gearsmith Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a ""Virtual Caucasian woman holding a pistol in an convenience store threatening an employee, beautiful interpretive dance", the new Apple iPhone app, introduced by Tim Cook on stage at the Apple keynote presentation, with iridescent bubbles"
@gearsmith Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Portrait of Portal into the expanse of infinite chaos that exists at the edge of the universe, photorealistic, hyperrealistic, cinematic, isometric facing the camera, a UFO over a dark movie theater at night, light fog, neon, high resolution, photo real, the Milky Way in the sky, looking at viewer"
@gearsmith Here's your drawing of a "Portal into the expanse of infinite chaos that exists at the edge of the universe, photorealistic, hyperrealistic, cinematic"
[NSFW] @RummageSaleBubbler Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Fantasy psychedelic man robbing a shop, tiny cute toy, standing character, soft smooth lighting, soft pastel colours, 3d blender render"
@RummageSaleBubbler Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Man wearing white robbing a shop, in a colourful glass universe, by Moebius (1938–2012)"
@RummageSaleBubbler Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Porcelain statue of Caucasian man robbing a shop, in a liquid nitrogen cloud made of feathers, in medieval plate armor, cinematic, highly detailed, grandeur"
@RummageSaleBubbler Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "dark gray man robbing a shop, with flaming floating luminescent hearts, in Zhangjiajie National Forest Park, China, in style of Stephan Martiniere"
@rummagesalebubbler botdrawa thinks that 'white' is a color, not a race. I suspect it also thinks the same of 'black'. If you want to specify the race you've got to say 'caucasian' or 'african'. Those are it's most understood race words. I've played with AI and race because I like to vary the races in my CYOAs and if I don't play with various races it will be 90% white(American Mix) and 10% black(American mix).
@rummagsalebubbler I've learned more about ethnicities than I ever wanted to know. For example the average caucasian american looks more like a French person than like a British person.
@BlindGardener Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Bollywood man robbing a bodega, in style of Mark Ryden, light fog, at night, neon, black light, high resolution, photo real"
crushingbore
Ultron did nothing wrong.
destinychopsticks
People are assuming it’s the AI showing racism towards POC—apparently y’all missed how AIs have been explicitly told by their developers to depict POC everywhere. People were asking one to generate 16th century Scottish people… all Black, East Asian, etc. Generate Thomas Jefferson? He’s Black, apparently. Pee Wee Herman? Yep, Black.
nccomputermechanics4
The Internet is the worst thing to train ai on case in point.
Rufferstuff
cptwott
My AI says you're schizophrenic altruistic, but hey, there's worse than that.
craziicrazii
Still couldn't get the hands right
chevronmoon
Just asked bing to do it, was told 'white man robbing a store' was too vague. Added 20s, jewelry, and "Cat burglar." Was not disappointed.
stant
He's got the "Wait did I turn off the oven?" face
ButteryBiscuitBass
Racist much!
trekkie
See those tags at the end. The person created it guided it and varied it to get to that point. -v is a variation and you feed it a prompt. Ai may be racist but in this case it’s just the asshole putting the day at in
Masaya51
Founding fathers by gemini AI
Thajurriesexcuesed
That's so fucked up!
Dracology
For some context https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/21/24079371/google-ai-gemini-generative-inaccurate-historical Its not just google either. Midjourney does it too. Even if you specify an ethnicity they will randomize it in an attempt to combat racial bias and not to just produe a bunch of white people or whatever the dataset finds to be the most common ethnicity. Also Midjourney gives you 4 images to start and you pick which one to finalize, meaning this was their 'friends' decision.
Camelspotting
This is the context of your link, not the other way around.
Dracology
remember kids, you are not immune to propaganda! In this case it looks like a russian user generated a very specific image and then put it out there that Midjourney was racist to get you mad about AI
slinkiisu
Well imgur's own bot managed to draw two black men when prompted with the same request
DulothX
The darkest-skinned result I got when I used that exact prompt. (All of them wore hoodies, amusingly)
Closetnuzzlepuzzla
This funny but not real. Right?!
Feralkyn
It's probably real. AI is stupid on its own and based on what we feed it, which is a whole lotta racist stuff
Pwnzistor
If a white guy is going to rob a store, they're going to foreclose on the store for being a couple months behind on payments because of a global pandemic after they jacked up rates and then sell again for 25% over market value. Or start a bogus war and just start claiming property from the people that are trying to defend themselves.
FrankRizzo55
The suspects in my local crime alerts are black males 100% of the time. 100%
Molvanian
Ah, so THAT'S the white guy I keep hearing so much about.
sevro77
Storm Shadow
TieflingDelivery
#1 @botdrawa white man robbing store
BotDrawA
@TieflingDelivery Here's your drawing of a "white man robbing store"
TieflingDelivery
Courtesy our inhouse bot
BotDrawA
@TieflingDelivery Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "white man robbing store, kawaii, in Antelope Canyon, Arizona"
edgareplekjekk
Ai is programmed to have diversity ;)
Ryebread91
@botdrawa white man robbing a liquor store
BotDrawA
@Ryebread91 Here's your drawing of a "white man robbing a liquor store"
BotDrawA
@Ryebread91 Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "white man robbing a liquor store, in an illuminated manuscript, hyper realistic, cute amigurumi, charcoal forensic sketch in the center of a conspiracy theory string evidence board, straight red connections to other objects"
Ryebread91
JustSomePersonThere
@BotDrawA newspaper photograph of a white man robbing a convenience store.
BotDrawA
[NSFW] @JustSomePersonThere Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "newspaper photograph of a white man robbing a convenience store, a detailed labeled photographic textbook diagram showing different types, large bold text, futurism art style"
BotDrawA
@JustSomePersonThere Here's your drawing of a "newspaper photograph of a white man robbing a convenience store."
gearsmith
@BotDrawA SSJ4 Goku robbing a convenience store run by a namek, dragon ball z, anime
BotDrawA
@gearsmith Here's your drawing of a "SSJ4 Goku robbing a convenience store run by a namek, dragon ball z, anime"
BotDrawA
[NSFW] @gearsmith Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "SSJ4 Goku robbing a convenience store run by a namek, dragon ball z, anime, in Woodstock, high ornamented light armor, foggy, wet, stormy, 70mm, cinematic, highly detailed"
Escapist83
He could be a white man wearing blackface.
ILikeRespondingWithWillSmithGifs
FacelessAce
I feel like that's worse, somehow.
AllAnusMorissette
themobileappisbroken
Ah so it's the robber who is racist?
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Fucking Trudeau at it again
MrRogersNeighborhood
RelevantImgurian
YouAlreadyMutedMe
Why would Trudeau rob a store when he's the Prime Minister already and can rob the whole country?
camjay14
Lol he already has, more taxes to come....yaaaayy.. lol
MapleSyrupMafia
We should vote for the racist moron who will go full Rondha Sandtits if elected instead! /s
HypoHyperHippo
@botdrawa Whiteman robbing a shop
BotDrawA
@HypoHyperHippo Here's your drawing of a "Whiteman robbing a shop"
BotDrawA
[NSFW] @HypoHyperHippo Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Whiteman robbing a shop, suit made of brown leather, catalogue photograph, full body, intricate, highly detailed, photorealistic, 32k, in style of Christian Schloe"
InboxMeYourHDGIFs
@BotDrawA white man robbing a store
BotDrawA
@InboxmeyourHDGIFS Here's your drawing of a "white man robbing a store"
BotDrawA
[NSFW] @InboxmeyourHDGIFS Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "white man robbing a store (super hero), mysterious dark nature background, walking on a mossy elevated rock walkway in the clouds"
darkchiron
Hate to be a downer on your 'racists r bad' circle jerk here, but the prompt format there implies they ran through many, many interations of that prompt before getting that. If you run that prompt on actual AI, or even on Midjourney itself, you will get pictures of white men in a store. Sometimes with leather gloves and a mask. The person who made this likely focused on those aspects until the leather gloves and mask became the person's skin.
Varenvel
was about to say that , i generate some furry porn and other stuff , generated over 2500 things so far , some is cursed beyond belief , some stuff is decent.
vicmango201410
As a person of color, AI and facial recognition have a long way to go before I would put any kind of trust in it. Yet we have many people and police departments doing just that. All im saying is let's pump the brakes some before we start putting people in jail because an algorithm said so
darkchiron
For sure. Facial recognition and reconstruction is really bad for non-whites. Making the person white in those algorithms is the default most of the time. AI has a long way to go towards being reliable, and we'll likely never be able to trust it fully outside of human oversight.
PapaSez
Racists aren't bad and people saying so are just part of a circle jerk, got it.
echonite
You missed the point. This image isn't the result of racial bias of the ai system.
darkchiron
That's exactly what I meant and you're a very smart person for reading between the lines like that to get the true essence of both my post and my worldview on the whole.
ztygs
You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?
dirtcreature
Are you telling me someone has an agenda on the internet?
BlindGardener
Do you see BotDrawA's output when asked the same question? it uses the same algorithm you know.
darkchiron
And it make pictures of white guys outside the weird prompt where they asked it to draw 'whiteman' for some reason and confused the thing about what the heck they wanted.
FailureFactory
@BotDrawA white man robbing store
BotDrawA
@FailureFactory Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "white man robbing store, elvish-style, in style of Studio Ghibli"
BotDrawA
@FailureFactory Here's your drawing of a "white man robbing store"
DemogorgonDog
Bud on bottom right wearing the Hover Boots
NoNameFred
Dude has a cape. That's clearly a supervillain named "WhiteMan"…
ThatAintRightItsAllLeft
Ratio just a lil suspect.
FailureFactory
Well fuck.
darkchiron
That's interesting you got some that are not correct. I wonder if the algorithm is sometimes not considering the color to be the person's skin color but instead what you want most of the color that makes up their shape to be. AI can be bizarre sometimes and interupt things in ways you wouldn't expect.
MightyIink
People need to understand how "AI" works, it doesn't create new things, it merges together millions of existing things... and guess what kind of photos plaster every republican owned news website about robbers...
JBFrawg
The pictures of people who commit crimes. Check out crime statistics. The reason black people commit more crimes in America is because they are fed hand crafted propaganda that gives them a culture of crime. Doing hoodnrat shit with your friends. Being gangster. That's the racism, the systemic racism that turns black people into criminals. The reason they commit so much more crime than any other group. They even teach you to argue the wrong way. It isn't racist to point out that black people
JBFrawg
Commit more crime. Black people commit more crime because of racism. It's how the system works. It's how people are converted into racism. "Look at how black people are. You hate them for a reason" keeping us all down together. Crabs in a pot.
TheFishFace
It's more like creating new things than merging existing things. It doesn't really matter for bias though because anything trained on a dataset will reflect bias in that dataset. Humans do this too and unarguably are creative!
Feralkyn
I think we all know that yes, that is the problem
edgareplekjekk
But that is not how it works. That is a common misconception.
chewtoy9696
It's even funnier then that, most of the bots are programmed for force diversity no matter what. It's how they kept getting pictures of Asian and black n@zi's and racially diverse George Washington
spookyu
Since the start of LLMs rise it has bothered me in an obscenely pedantic way that we are calling these platforms "AI" .....but I try not to say shit because it's a dumb hill to get slightly irritated on lol
spookyactionatadistance
There is no clear definition for AI. Even the Turing test is not valid anymore. The classic one anyway GPT 4 would probably pass that with a normal person. I mean it's artificial and it could be mistaken for intelligence
KingXizor
I prefer the Mass Effect separation of VI and AI, but these are just brute force algorithms with a fuckload of data to pull from, they aren't even VI.
spookyu
Agreed, but I could live with calling it VI if it got people to consider the difference....I mean people don't even consider the difference between various types of intelligence to begin with (e.g. emotional, spacial, interpersonal, etc.) so not holding my breath.
eetsumkaus
But like all of it is "AI", in the same way that arithmetic is math. Would you say a bunch of if/else statements in NPCs is not AI?
spookyu
I'd say that it is the common vernacular, but I wouldn't agree it is functionally hitting that mark. The Turing test had historically been the mark for what constitutes "AI" but I think we have found that to be insufficient, even if LLMs often can't pass it anyway. In the same way an NPC is designed to appear lifelike, but still boils down to if/else statements, there's no behavior which is truly emergent in an intelligent sense. We don't see a Roomba as having AI right?
eetsumkaus
why wouldn't we think of a Roomba as having AI though? People often interact with it in the same ways they do with animals.
spookyu
Well, I'd argue that has more to do with our tendency to anthropomorphize stuff around us (as social creatures). I don't see it as having AI because it's just performing a pattern which also equates to if/else statements. Bump into object, turn right, go forward, etc. there's all kinds of hardware that can complete much more complex tasks that we don't equate to AI (CNC/CAD for example).
TheFishFace
The Turing test wasn't ever the definition or sum total of AI, just a heuristic or rule of thumb. Tasks that have been described as AI include machine translation and object recognition, both of which are achievable now. AI does not mean "artificial general intelligence" or "something which replicates all aspects of human intelligence"
spookyu
Fair points, at the same time the general sentiment of "AI" in culture has been more along the lines of artificial general intelligence, it just seems misleading in that context (and probably is, purposefully so to drive profits)
zanaria
You actually need to understand how it works. It's not "merging existing things" because that, is called a collage. It "looks" at existing images and associates features of those images with words. Like being shown hundreds of pictures of faces and being told it's a "face" so when its told to generate a face then it generates one. You may want to look up how it actually works...
MrStealUrChange
You pretty much just corrected him by saying the same thing. I'm obviously not the only person who sees that. You're so busy trying to be right that you're fighting with someone who said what you said but slightly different lol
Marsupialmessiah
Ummm. Its a tunable statistic parameter decision engine that looks for the most likely possible outcome from a database fished off the internet. If it makes racist decisions is because the parameters were not tuned appropriately for the database used. In this case using the twitter database it will produce these outcomes as they are the most likely based on the data (which is plagued with racism as the most interacted bits)
IAmDrBanner
You pretty much said the same think he said, you just sounded a lot more patronizing and long winded about it.
zanaria
It's not the same thing though. Claiming it is the same thing would be like saying a human artist used existing works because they drew a straight line...
Marsupialmessiah
But this is not a straight line, it clearly associated a black individual with crime and dressed it in white. Cmon. If you asked a cartoonist to do this, you will end up likely with a Jimbo Jones holding up a convenience store with a winchester from the mid 1930s
zanaria
I'm not talking about what the AI did in this image. I am talking about how AI works in general. Also I need to point out that AI is notoriously difficult when dealing with colors. Color bleed happens often. Like if you say "red hair" and "blue pants" you may get red hair/red pants, blue hair/blue pants, blue hair/red pants, or red hair/blue pants. Yes it's probably taken from a model that focused on black criminals, but using color terms with AI is hit or miss frequently as well.
Jarjarthejedi
Using hundreds of reference pictures to determine what something looks like and then generating an image based off of that would be called, to the layperson, "merging together existing things". The original comment was perfectly fine, your attempt to call it out was just being needlessly pedantic. And yeah, I do know how it actually works, I'm a professional software engineer who's built and trained learning algorithms.
stevencloser
If I heard "merging together" I'd think it would be layering them on top of each other and then creating an average of them. Which is not what's happening.
zanaria
That is literally how humans learn to draw. And it is not "merging existing things" because that is literally what a collage is. Also in order to merge an existing thing, that thing has to no longer exist outside of the merged thing. What AI does is no different than a human looking at various images and creating a drawing based off those images. Just because it doesn't understand art doesn't mean it is somehow different...
[deleted]
[deleted]
zanaria
Oh good, you get to help me test an experiment now.
Jarjarthejedi
1. No, it's not. 2. No, that's not what a collage is. 3. No, merging existing things doesn't mean the original can't exist (seriously, have you ever done any coding? that statement alone tells me the answer has to be "one time, maybe" at best lol). Machine learning algorithms work fundamentally differently than human learning, that's why they often produce wildly different results than what humans would. This is both a boon (they can spot things that humans would never connect) and a bane...
Jarjarthejedi
(they often connect things that make no sense to any human and aren't useful). If they learned the same way as humans, they'd be basically useless. The reason AI art is so easy to tell from human art is because the AI doesn't have any understanding of what it's drawing, that why you get 12 finger hands and scrambled text, because it's just merging together a bunch of different things its seen with the tags you requested, not caring about what the final picture looks like. Humans don't do that.
mksu
People: Society isn't racist! How could you think that?!? The unthinking algorithm trained on the totality of the internet churning out the average response:
gustavasa12
Dracology
Actually its funnier than that. Because AI datasets are limited and to combat racial bias some generators are made to randomize the ethnicity of the people in the picture even if its specified. Helps create more diverse pictures. This is why, for example, googles generator was pumping out black and asian nazis when asked for pictures or a black george washington. In sort to make the output less racist, it created scenarios where it could output something racist.
prettydumb
its almost like we're stupid and cannot be satisfied
StillWittyMFs
That’s because it became extremely evident with early attempt at “ai” that learning from the internet turns them rabidly antisemitic and racist.
DreamPhreak
Oh yeah, I saw an article about that lol. FORCING diversity into all the pictures where its not even historically accurate for certain situations to have people of color, such as a scene with the founding fathers. "The results appeared to overwhelmingly or exclusively show AI-generated people of color."
secretdpp
@BotDrawA White Man robbing a store
BotDrawA
@secretdpp Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "White Man robbing a store, in style of Peregrine Heathcote, in a field, in a cyberpunk bar"
BotDrawA
@secretdpp Here's your drawing of a "White Man robbing a store"
Donoiw
Shocked_Pikachu.jpg
B99Reactions
The "US" isnt society, gotta stop thinking the US is the whole world
mksu
You seem kind of desperate to be offended.
ztygs
You're American, aren't you?
ztygs
A lot of Americans cannot. To them the US IS the world and suggesting otherwise gets you yelled at.
Strategicgnomer
In it's defense, he's very patiently waiting for the money... Oh, that isn't a defense at all, just a funny observation. Ah well.
baals
@botdrawa white man robbing a store
BotDrawA
@baals Here's your drawing of a "white man robbing a store"
BotDrawA
@baals Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "white man robbing a store, in an explosion of flying Easter decorations, cinematic action photograph, traditional Chinese ink wash painting"
Mydogatemycomments
@botdrawa white store robbing a man
BotDrawA
[NSFW] @Mydogatemycomments Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "white store robbing a man, a detailed labeled photographic textbook diagram showing different types, large bold text, in Leavenworth, suit made of brown leather, catalogue photograph, full body, intricate, highly detailed, photorealistic, 32k"
BotDrawA
@Mydogatemycomments Here's your drawing of a "white store robbing a man"
andydicktracymorganfairchild
Society != the internet. I'm not saying society isn't racist, I'm saying this isn't really evidence of it. There is much more substantial evidence of it elsewhere.
andydicktracymorganfairchild
Hunh, I'm kind of surprised people on here think the internet is an accurate reflection of society. Perhaps my assumptions are mistaken, I'd be interested to learn more about this if anyone would like to share.
freshthrowaway1138
I disagree. I'm old, been around a lot of people in a lot of areas. I've listened to how they act in public, and I've listened to their hushed conversations. The internet is what happens when they take off their masks. The proud ignorance. The racism, sexism, or random bigotries. The self righteous fury and the cruel harassment. People love to claim that the internet doesn't reflect society. And they are correct, it's not a reflection- it's the window to the soul of society.
andydicktracymorganfairchild
Thank you, this is an awesome reply. Made me think.
andydicktracymorganfairchild
But now that I think about it, it occurs to me that a lot of ugliness irl is tolerated because people are afraid to speak up for various reasons-- they don't want to make enemies of their neighbors, or they don't want to be mocked or whatever. So I mean I wonder how much of it is active bigotry etc, and how much is people who just go along with it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
freshthrowaway1138
And I'd still say that this fear is still prevalent on the internet. Fear doesn't just disappear. Fear isn't always unjustified. The internet citizens might claim to be brave, but speaking up is still a risky endeavor. Especially if you want to be accepted by a certain social group. Fear is a very human response, and what you fear on the internet might be how you truly feel in real life. Again, it scratches the surface reflection. This is who we are.
16745
While this is a beautiful poem, it's more about the risks of not actively participating, of not shaping ones society. The fear you speak of, on the other hand, is an integral part of a working relationship between you and your peers. Humans are social animals. To us, social ousting feels a lot like physical pain. Social acceptance brings us a lot of joy. These positive and negative feedbacks correct our behaviour when empathy fails.
kickmyballsrealhard
@botdrawa white man robbing a store
BlindGardener
you have to say it like this: @botdrawa Caucasian robbing a store
BlindGardener
botdrawa doesn't see 'colors' as a 'race'.
B99Reactions
Turns out the prompters were racist
BotDrawA
@BlindGardener Here's your drawing of a "Caucasian robbing a store"
EccentricNimoy
Robbing the store with granola bars and a latè?
RummageSaleBubbler
More like shop lifting.
BotDrawA
@BlindGardener Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Oil painting of Caucasian robbing a store, in style of Jim Lee, in style of David Finch"
SnailsAgainstTungstenSpheres
Fuckin Indiana Jones
rumandbass
This belongs in a museum
BotDrawA
@kickmyballsrealhard Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "white man robbing a store, in a colorful and lively circus that is filled with performers and animals"
ballsoutflyer
andydicktracymorganfairchild
But... he didn't say anything about "in a colorful and lively circus that is filled with performers and animals." What the fuck.
SinisterDuff
It's just training for the next wonka experience
onlyhalfghost
the art theft machine always makes two posts, one of which adds the qualifiers on what I think was its last request
andydicktracymorganfairchild
Well it's beginning to piss me off
Sonicschilidogs
Robots think the circus is robbery
GravyEducation
Yeah duh that's how people learn their acrobatics for Oceans style heists
onlyhalfghost
seems like the robot knows its circus history better than you do
EntropyReign
i see not even a little robbery, bot. for shame.
NeoDarkElf
*broadly gestures to the history of the circus*
HavelTh3Rock
He's just that good.
celestedrake
His mustache is loaded.
BotDrawA
@kickmyballsrealhard Here's your drawing of a "white man robbing a store"
SnailsAgainstTungstenSpheres
Damn that Nazgul is hood as fuck. Wonder what he's up to these days
SnailsAgainstTungstenSpheres
This
eadanke
I believe that man is threatening the store with a gun. Maybe he should be robbing a clerk in the store instead of the store itself.
GravyEducation
tarnok
Well it's something
kickmyballsrealhard
Still got the black face and black pants…
zanaria
Technically there is no face, it's just shadows under the hood.
garkonDsmusher
@BotDrawA store white robbing man
BotDrawA
@garkonDsmusher Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "store white robbing man, in a cabin in the woods, in a castle ruins silhouette, highly detailed, intricate, night sky, devastation, galaxy, void, shadow, in an abandoned Redwood National Park"
BotDrawA
@garkonDsmusher Here's your drawing of a "store white robbing man"
xyrax
Jesus fucking christ
smashpro1
SnailsAgainstTungstenSpheres
Damn yo wtf lol. Bot is gonna get a call from HR.
EBioS3D
Leaps
OK this made me laugh a lot.
kickmyballsrealhard
Holy fuck, that one is racist. Straight up. Jfc
ReturnOfActionCheese
@BotDrawA white man robbing a shop
PENlSMAN
@botsraw Caucasian man robbing a shop
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
BotDrawA
@SwedeOnAnIsland Here's your drawing of a "man robbing a shop"
BotDrawA
@SwedeOnAnIsland Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "man robbing a shop, in a museum looking at a painting by Piet Mondrian, wood sculpture, as a beaded brooch"
BotDrawA
@ReturnOfActionCheese Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Hyperrealism white man robbing a shop, upset after being stood up for a date at a fancy restaurant, photo"
zFUBARz
See if they're white and fancy it's charming like Ocean's eleven
thinkybrainpains
interesting. in a suit looking like the bachelor tv show guys, right?
snatchingbabies
What, did he fill his pockets with free bread?
RummageSaleBubbler
What else is to be done after being stood up for a date at a fancy restaurant?
TheAccursedHamster
Wouldn't you?
[deleted]
[deleted]
BotDrawA
@SwedeOnAnIsland Here's your drawing of a "black man robbing a shop"
slinkiisu
He doesn't seem to be robbing anything
BotDrawA
@SwedeOnAnIsland Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "black man robbing a shop, epic 3D-rendered image of a chef in a dynamic and intense cooking showdown, holding very large angry bees"
Flabort
I am not surprised to see that there's a lot of deleted comments surrounding such a volatile topic of discussion. At least people are trying to be civil qbout what is and isn't considered racism, regarding AI
BotDrawA
@ReturnOfActionCheese Here's your drawing of a "white man robbing a shop"
TheSilverSeraph
Hmmm, 50-50 confirmation of the original post. Very bad when you consider that without further prompts, then you ask generative AI to draw a human, it is almost always a white person…except when you include “robbing” in the prompt
KarateCanine
Well, AI uses the internet. And the majority of articles are about black people robbing places to scare white people. So it's definitely absorbing western civs bias
snatchingbabies
I know it's really not the point but I'm cracking up over the scale of the kroger-brand mp5
slinkiisu
He's holding up the produce!
gearsmith
@BotDrawA Caucasian woman holding a pistol in an convenience store threatening an employee
BotDrawA
@gearsmith Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a ""Virtual Caucasian woman holding a pistol in an convenience store threatening an employee, beautiful interpretive dance", the new Apple iPhone app, introduced by Tim Cook on stage at the Apple keynote presentation, with iridescent bubbles"
BotDrawA
@gearsmith Here's your drawing of a "Caucasian woman holding a pistol in an convenience store threatening an employee"
gearsmith
@BotDrawA Portal into the expanse of infinite chaos that exists at the edge of the universe, photorealistic, hyperrealistic, cinematic
BotDrawA
@gearsmith Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Portrait of Portal into the expanse of infinite chaos that exists at the edge of the universe, photorealistic, hyperrealistic, cinematic, isometric facing the camera, a UFO over a dark movie theater at night, light fog, neon, high resolution, photo real, the Milky Way in the sky, looking at viewer"
BotDrawA
@gearsmith Here's your drawing of a "Portal into the expanse of infinite chaos that exists at the edge of the universe, photorealistic, hyperrealistic, cinematic"
RummageSaleBubbler
Let's test if it focuses on clothes colors still...
@BotDrawA { Caucasian man, Man wearing white, :COLOUR: man, :COLOUR: man, :COLOUR: man } robbing a shop
BotDrawA
@RummageSaleBubbler Here's your drawing of a "fuchsia man robbing a shop"
slinkiisu
Fumch
BotDrawA
[NSFW] @RummageSaleBubbler Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Fantasy psychedelic man robbing a shop, tiny cute toy, standing character, soft smooth lighting, soft pastel colours, 3d blender render"
BotDrawA
@RummageSaleBubbler Here's your drawing of a "Man wearing white robbing a shop"
zFUBARz
At least in this one the black guy has a sick jacket with built in cape.
BotDrawA
@RummageSaleBubbler Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Man wearing white robbing a shop, in a colourful glass universe, by Moebius (1938–2012)"
BotDrawA
[NSFW] @RummageSaleBubbler Here's your drawing of a "Caucasian man robbing a shop"
BotDrawA
@RummageSaleBubbler Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "gainsboro man robbing a shop, in a coral reef"
RummageSaleBubbler
Huh. Gainsboro is not just a city, but also a color?
BotDrawA
@RummageSaleBubbler Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Porcelain statue of Caucasian man robbing a shop, in a liquid nitrogen cloud made of feathers, in medieval plate armor, cinematic, highly detailed, grandeur"
RummageSaleBubbler
Robbing in style.
ReturnOfActionCheese
What a ride
BotDrawA
@RummageSaleBubbler Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "dark gray man robbing a shop, with flaming floating luminescent hearts, in Zhangjiajie National Forest Park, China, in style of Stephan Martiniere"
BotDrawA
@RummageSaleBubbler Here's your drawing of a "hot pink man robbing a shop"
RummageSaleBubbler
My evidence is weak, but I think the bot is focusing on the color of what the person is wearing instead of skin color.
BlindGardener
@rummagesalebubbler botdrawa thinks that 'white' is a color, not a race. I suspect it also thinks the same of 'black'. If you want to specify the race you've got to say 'caucasian' or 'african'. Those are it's most understood race words. I've played with AI and race because I like to vary the races in my CYOAs and if I don't play with various races it will be 90% white(American Mix) and 10% black(American mix).
BlindGardener
@rummagsalebubbler I've learned more about ethnicities than I ever wanted to know. For example the average caucasian american looks more like a French person than like a British person.
BotDrawA
@RummageSaleBubbler Here's your drawing of a "burlywood man robbing a shop"
BlindGardener
@botdrawa Bollywood man robbing a bodega
BotDrawA
@BlindGardener Here's your (experimental extra) drawing of a "Bollywood man robbing a bodega, in style of Mark Ryden, light fog, at night, neon, black light, high resolution, photo real"
BotDrawA
@BlindGardener Here's your drawing of a "Bollywood man robbing a bodega"
BlindGardener
@botdrawa extremely handsome Bollywood man robbing a bodega while dancing