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Michigan Supreme Court strikes down governor's emergency Covid powers https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/02/politics/michigan-supreme-court-whitmer-covid-emergency/index.html
Nedster64
In 1st world countries, judges are not political.
fastlanefreddy
WE DON'T DO KINGS OR QUEENS IN AMERICA
NeverDownvoteMelBrooks
As a hostage under Gov Abbott's *so successful* Open Texas plan... good luck Michigan!
FMan5
Republicans trying as hard as they can to kill people.
Tracendo
Michigander here. This is soul sucking. She has been kicking ass. This is bullshit.
tootsie87
Happened in WI too. They cancelled Evers stay st home orders early.
whitebbwolf
jlbishop81
Abuse of power is abuse of power. That is why our government has checks and balances.
hlyrad
Oligarchy.
Krystallombardi24
I am torn she saved lives but the way Michigan emergency power was written she could have kept it forever so i am about 50/50 on this
The701
There was also a court ruling in Pennsylvania to eliminate the governor's COVID-mitigation orders. The governor appealed, and won. But, the
The701
people pushing the case are threatening to drag it to the Supreme Court.
Bludabeagle
Wow.....So guess what will happen in Supreme Court..........s
gumol
Doing illegal stuff seems bad, even if the goal is to stop covid.
kobrakaimf
So you would’ve turned Anne Frank over to the Nazis? Good to know.
schocker28
So would all of Imgur, half to think of your family just like the people in china.
captincorpse
As a michigander... Fuck
guitrkill3r
And now that we're walking right into winter.....well....fuck.
heerobya
Ugh. We’ll see a lot of people without masks everywhere now. Be better. Be smart. Be safe
cloggedkarma
Same here.. fuck
livinthefulllife
She “saved” countless lives? Isn’t UP one of the worst hot spots now? Under her orders ???
ningela126
I'm not really sure about the UP, but just to the south, Wisconsin is doing really badly right now. Hospitals in GB are almost full.
QuentinD
The UP has seen a modest bump in cases but is not even close to the worst.
oAbaddonsLegion
It's sad how many don't understand the importance of our state and national constitutions
tHismanybooks
Vote
jlbishop81
Trump.
UranusSpelunker
The problem is the precedent on restrictions of civil rights. Game it out, left or right if a government said state of emergency 1/
DangerTrain
You keep saying "civil rights", that phrase doesn't mean what I think you think it means. Mask mandates don't restrict your rights.
UranusSpelunker
/2 and that’s all that was needed to restrict civil rights it would violate the constitution they didn’t have a choice.
dyxj
Read the decision syllabus. It wasn't as simple as "declare emergency". There were reasonable standards, but the R judges said "Nah".
OmenJones
IMO, we opened up too early here in MI. The rate of contagion is higher now than it was when we locked down, why are we opening everything?
Phled
you can stay closed if you like
OmenJones
I am. But that doesn't help all the people who can't, and will be dealing with an increasingly dangerous work environment.
SashoWindfeather
Just like Jay inslee, she failed to get continued approval from the Leg branch. Emergency powers only go so far. Constitutions matter
dyxj
Yes, but the decision to declare the EPGA unconstitutional was asking party lines, claiming it didn't have sufficient standards for how it1/
dyxj
could be used. However, the dissenting opinion notes it did indeed have reasonably precise standards. Looking at the text, I agree with them
RussianTroll101
“Constitution matters” depending on who is on the court and who is in office. Refer to border wall funding, article 1, appropriated funds.
rjbCobra
Feom Michigan. . Whitmer did very well protecting us. Whatever happens. Will forever be grateful for her effort.
InTheEndThoughItsJustInnuendo
Her actions too Michigan from 3rd to 38th in per capita cases. Absolutely appreciate her efforts
rjbCobra
2/2 a lot of it under strong opposition. It was Michigan where people got to the state capitol with guns.
brainparts
I'm more and more embarrassed by my home state. GOP just wants things to burn.
rooniemai
I agree. The people celebrating this as cases in schools rise make me want to punch them in the face!
DarkTheme439
Also from Michigan and think Whitmer did a great job. She was fighting an uphill battle with all of the stupid redneck idiots here.
theOmazingJobyTheDog
Imgur hates dictators, but she was using a loophole in and old law to rule unilaterally. Not cool.
georgejimmydoodle
Another Republican who values haircuts over human lives.
snuffcarcass
During a public health crisis
dyxj
Dictators rule unilaterally for the benefit of themselves, not their people; reading the decision syllabus, I side with the dissent. They 1/
dyxj
may have shot themselves in the foot with this decision. The EPGA was ruled unconstitutional for not being specific enough, but the Chief 2/
dyxj
Justice's opinion was that the language established sufficiently specific standards given the statute's subject, and I agree with him.
definitelynotacathaha
You think that. Everyone turned on Trudeau reallllll fast up here. I’m not saying don’t investigate but goddamn people have short memories.
ThrowtheHammer13
She also did kill a lot of lives by forcing retirement homes to take infected people and “quarantining” those in the most danger of dying 1
ThrowtheHammer13
With them. When a bipartisan act was passed giving the homes the option of taking them, she vetoed it. She did good things but she also 2
ThrowtheHammer13
Cost many lives. About 40% of those that have died from Covid, were in retirement homes.
cakeworth
That’s scary. We messed up a lot of things during this pandemic. Almost as if we needed a plan... a playbook of sorts
ThrowtheHammer13
If only. Wonder where we could try and get one of those?
cakeworth
W/o understanding the exact situation, NY did the same thing because traditionally long term care get to pick their patients. (1/)
ThrowtheHammer13
That sounds terrible. So a family spends $100k a year for the elderly that they can’t give proper care for and then they need to spend (1)
ThrowtheHammer13
An additional $1k a day for 24 hour care @ home on top of that because the governed is threatening their family member’s life unnecessarily
cakeworth
In hindsight everyone realized FEMA supplemented acute care capacities but failed to address long term care burdens
cakeworth
Which left ICUs clogged up since few facilities can handle ventilators and they refused COVID patients. This left people who
cakeworth
Had a chance of survival without ICU level care. In the grand scheme of things it allowed for more people to be treated but killed many too
disasterfactory324
Michigan is doomed. No more social distancing, mandatory masks, or limits on patrons in stores.
LordHosk
County health departments are putting in place emergency 30 day orders which they have full power to do. Also stores can still require them.
LordHosk
Stores are private property and have the right to refuse service for not wearing a mask just like not wearing a shirt or shoes.
disasterfactory324
Correct, I I don't think most stores will do that.
NewtGinGrinch
That's not true. The stores will still require masks and distancing to protect customers and employees
iQuitlmgurAndNeverLookedBack
Why do you get pleasure from constantly reminding us of that scum-bucket gingrich's existence!
disasterfactory324
Stores can now do whatever they want. Large clubs, movie theaters etc will open, and people will get sick.
NewtGinGrinch
Our theaters arent open here but the bars are now. Big chain stores are all still following CDC guidelines. They can't force Walmart to stop
NewtGinGrinch
requiring masks. They have to protect themselves from lawsuits.
disasterfactory324
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/02/michigan-supreme-court-rules-against-whitmer-emergency-powers/3596332001/
disasterfactory324
The emergency orders will be cancelled in 21 days, and without cooperation from the Republicans ( not gonna happen) michigan will reopen >>
disasterfactory324
Fully without restrictions. Mask wearing will be left up to individual stores, and so will social distancing. What could go wrong?
RoyDMercer
Stupid is as stupid does.
meadmaker
Laughs in Wisconsinite, (same thing happen here about 2 months ago)
tHismanybooks
Vote
SirRichardOfHead
But that's not what stupid does...
MandrewJackson
Imagine downvoting this. "No, I don't want them to vote and literally save tens or hundreds of thousands of lives."
ExoCyberBit
When you see stuff like this, how much can you really blame Trump for the 200k figure
DangerTrain
A lot. He called it a hoax, downplayed it, and mocked wearing a mask RIGHT BEFORE being diagnosed with COVID. Misinformation he spread kills
pacobedejo
Everyone was fucking around with stupid shit and nobody was trying to assist care facilities which now account for 57k of those 200k deaths.
pacobedejo
https://data.cms.gov/stories/s/COVID-19-Nursing-Home-Data/bkwz-xpvg/
PangolinBan
Quite a bit, really. The president openly calling it a hoax, saying it'll go away quickly, saying it's not that bad, saying masks are 1/3
PangolinBan
2/3 not needed - that elicits a response in at least part of the population. People refusing to distance socially, mass events being held,
PangolinBan
3/3 people going around without masks; all of those things contributed to the infection rate.
dyxj
A lot.
DonaldTrumpsFlaccidHairpiece
My understanding is, she mixed covid patients with nursing homes, causing most of michigans deaths, so this should be a good decision, no?
DangerTrain
Your understanding is wrong. Infected and high-risk folks were to be separated. But some places violated orders and caused huge problems.
Bruhbeans
Ah that's a clear misunderstanding buddy. At the height of the first wave there was a critical shortness of assistant breathing machines 1
DonaldTrumpsFlaccidHairpiece
Right, and other govs did too, but they stopped, and she didn't, which made Michigans death toll horrible per capita, if I remember right.
Bruhbeans
In hospitals etc. But nursing homes have them, so elderly patients remained in these homes, in quarantined sections, to be treated with 2
Bruhbeans
These machines. There was no other option, except letting them die. Moving them is risky for the patients, the medical personal 3
Bruhbeans
And the population.
perchingbird
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/04/states-nursing-homes-coronavirus-302134
perchingbird
This gives a good idea of what happened
DonaldTrumpsFlaccidHairpiece
Wow, thats even worse :/ Thanks for the info!
perchingbird
Yea. If our elder care wasnt so bad I dont think it would have been as big of an issue, but overworked, understaffed min wage workers and
perchingbird
Already crap oversight really made it worse. If you look at high quality centers with a covid wing, I'm sure you would see less transmission
theOmazingJobyTheDog
She was using an old law to rule Michigan unilaterally. She could literally declare a new SOE every month, and executive order anything
Tyaldan
"rule micihigan unilaterally" sounds like fearspeak from fox. She saved that state from having way more deaths, and they dont like that.
theOmazingJobyTheDog
Is there a different phrase you would prefer? That's exactly what she did.
Tyaldan
yeah, she declared a state of emergency to deal with a national health crisis. Which it was, and is, and still is.
theOmazingJobyTheDog
That doesn't change the fact that she has been unilaterally ruling MI with no input from legislature since April. Now been ruled illegal
theOmazingJobyTheDog
There was a newer law in place that limited her powers to 28 days,
dyxj
The older law did have standards for being used, but the court decided along party lines to strike the older law as unconstitutional.
katsumiblisk
Do old laws have a sell by date? Like do not use after 2016?
JimmyFedorah
But, there actually is a SOE. This isn’t about what she could do, it’s about the republican legislature and anti-maskers giving no quarter
theOmazingJobyTheDog
For sure. and they can still be declared. It just can't be done unilaterally
JimmyFedorah
Yes, “unilaterally” could be bad. However, it hasn’t been. What the legislature is already talking about doing IS bad. Fuck the principal.
jridley
Michigan's upper peninsula is having massive rises in cases.They've been mostly untouched to now but cases spread up from Wisconsin.
jridley
Some counties there are going on lockdown/shutdown for the first time. Up to now they had like 12 cases in whole counties. Tourists...
JesusAteMyShrooms
They allowed movement to up north. Traveling people from lower MI probably brought it up with them. I know many people who went when allowed
jridley
Yeah the bridge was packed on Memorial Day.My friends who live up there didn't want tourists but the businesses needed them.
JesusAteMyShrooms
Exactly, unfortunately it's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. :(
Rijtjeshuis
Honestly, America: what the everloving fuck is wrong with your country? Why are you hell bent on destroying yourselves?
Humandisinterest
They're not. Deaths per capita is concurrent with many western countries.
merdock379
It’s not everyone. Republicans are the stupidest and most evil people alive.
Bukkhockey
We're not. You get a snap shot of what people are enraged about and obsess over when the reality is much less exciting.
limbodog
It's all a vestige of slavery
BuckRavers
MONEY
jhawker27
To OwN tHe LiBs
TigerThong
sinclair, fox, talking heads
humptydumptywastheking
It feels like it's more the GOP that wants to destroy america, facilitated by a grossly underfunded and mismanaged education system.
humptydumptywastheking
The average american is pretty dumb, I hate to say.
grimwyrd
We gots the stupids... sorry. :(
copperdomebodhi
“The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.” Those of us in the middle are doing what we can.
Canchocolatejustletmefinish
Because red states are stupid.
MLephant
Well because we're built on thousands of Native American Indian burial grounds
override367
we do have a second amendment, theoretically it should overrule michigans supreme court, but it's currently being used against black people
itstoodamnearly5am
We allowed corporations to buy our elections, cults to have effective immunity to the law, and sold our souls to the military and police
TyrannosaurusMex
Because we can.
Aristocrats
Around 45% of Americans are ideological decedents of those we should have exterminated at the end of the civil war, education doesn't work.
Frogapus
Due to history, Americans often misinterpret independence as synonymous with righteousness.
somethingawesomeandgreat
Not being secular; allowing the die-hard Christians to take over
BananaParagon
This. Our country is a conglomerate of religious cults and their mindless flocks.
Angrar
and unfortunately the trend in response among genz isnt to go secular, it's to get into new age occulty mysticism
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DarkTheme439
I do need more money....
TheWorldAccordingToAtlas
Empathy was hurting our profit margins so it had to go.
Devestator8888
The price of cutting funds to schools, generations of fuckin morons
Cats2cats
Power perceived. Too stupid to realize that just wiped out their financial base.
Bubbells
We hate ourselves?
aFloatingCabbage
ITS ?OUR ?GOVERNMENT..
DrClaww
It's actually our people, not acting and not educating itself properly, these politicians didn't just fall out of the sky
aFloatingCabbage
And a lot of uneducated fuck tards taking Fox News to heart.
carlsagansghost
Christians.
AdamGenesis
Easy Answer: We praise stupidity. We encourage it when we make stupid people famous ... then we elect them. That's pretty much it.
Oldsummoner7
No, only the Republicans want to destroy us all. They are constantly undermining Democrats trying to protect us. 1
Oldsummoner7
Republicans are trying to repeal mask mandate in Wisconsin as well.
Shuey
We're going through some social darwinism right now... It'll eventually cool off
DarthMaulOfAmerica
Listen it all started with that goddamn gorilla
WadeWilson74
It's been a while since we had someone as a significant threat to destroy us so we stepped up to do it ourselves...
Jimthebutler
Yes, apparently
DuneItBefore
Cause...we need freedom. Even if it's stupid
judgemasterven
And what freedom do you think you have that actual first world countries don't? Because I can name a few we're missing.
Nuclearun
Money.
KansasComrade
Because freedom bruh
Cilvaa
shepahrdjhon
might want to change the guy there. The guy in the meme is Stephen Chowder, a well known right wing troll.
Cilvaa
I know, which is why I thought it was hilarious to use his image for this message when I made it.
gaiidraws2
Republicans
JoshuaFalken
DrClaww
All the people who can get rich and survive, will just move somewhere else and do it all over again, no worries
Lowktar
Because, 'Merica.
TweakerTheBarbarian
LordElups
Idontwantausernameimgur
Don't count on it! You may have to hurt yourselves more before change can truly happen. You are still a young culture.
LostInTheWylde
That was what Churchill said about the Americans. They'll do the right thing last, after trying everything else.
minipancho94
We've got a death cult as a major religion, and everyone who wants to do something good goes into their field rather than politics. 1/2
dingofdong
Idk, there are a few rays of hope, like I get the sense that people like Bernie and The Squad are good people, but sadly they're in a +
dingofdong
+ minority in Congress (the squad especially so)
minipancho94
We need some of you Drs, engineers, and ecology majors to run for office so the rest of you can actually get work done. 2/2
shepahrdjhon
Immigrant engineer here. Soon as I get my citizenship, I am planning to run ASAP.
daddygflexnuts
Arizona has a doctor on the ballot!
ssthir01
Rand Paul is a doctor
ReaperCDN
They do. Nobody fucking elects them because business types don't want smart people with societies interests at heart. They want purchased /1
juanconnor24064
It's not business types its career politicians.
FlurpNerp
He meant the business types who are able to 'donate' to campaigns are the ones giving corrupt people an advantage. They're not running.
shepahrdjhon
Look at the 2018 House elections. Lots of new people. Netflix even made a documentary called "Knock down the House"
ReaperCDN
legislators who will remove regulations and lower their taxes. Greed is and always has been the fucking enemy. 2/2
juanconnor24064
And you want to pay more taxes?
Asadsadsadclown
I bet someone paid you to say that.
SnailsAgainstTungstenSpheres
Oopsie daisy! Can my wife and I move in with you though? Help
somethingawesomeandgreat
You’re welcome! Finland will take all the skilled americans, we can talk english too
The701
Hello, yes, where do I submit my application? And how would you rate Finnish in terms of difficulty to learn?
Camali45
What’s the definition of skilled?
Slamtastik
Too much greed and corruption at the top, we have been asleep at the wheel for like 35 years, & we are now waking up as we R about to crash.
Mahzarin
Well put. I was hoping more people would have noticed.
Clockworkdancerobot
What is their reason? It sounds like they want it to spread.
BaddyOneShoe
If I'm understanding correctly, republicans want the virus to spread as much as possible. That seems to be their #1 issue. Pro life, but
BaddyOneShoe
not THOSE lives.
jridley
She's a Democrat, so they have to stop her doing anything, ESPECIALLY anything good. Same as they did with Obama. Just block everything.
schocker28
Maybe Obama should of used the majority he had instead of waiting for Republicans to take over the senate.
Munchman347
When you mess with political donor's profits, you get the axe...
blumpk1npie
Probably just watched Revenge of the Sith
owenweller19770
My country has universal health. When it spreads we all pay. In US. If it spreads. Someone gets richer!
owenweller19770
So fuct. I hope I'm wrong.
theangryjanitor
Tis the season
DoNotTakeSeriousPls
Sounds more like we live in a country where the government can’t just force you to do whatever it wants
breadedfishstrip
Username checks out
RD2C
Let's all take the username very seriously
Clockworkdancerobot
Like "Don't endanger the public health" and "Think about others you selfish twat."
DoNotTakeSeriousPls
They literally didn’t let people shop at certain supermarket aisles or drive to their far out second home to isolate. But yes defend it all
hmcd2008
Oh you poor thing. Cant quarantine in your SECOND house
DoNotTakeSeriousPls
A lot of people in that state have small lodges. Why force everyone to stay in their house if it’s less safe? It’s obviously a dumb law.
youknowthatonepersonwiththeface
У тебя есть водка?
DoNotTakeSeriousPls
Wouldn’t this make you the Russian bot?
DoNotTakeSeriousPls
You must be a very confused Russia bot though
Delta2279
Sounds like while the actions she took were for the greater good, she overstepped her authority as Gov and violated the state constitution.
Clickpilotbob
And u i love
Nightcaste
Except that none of her EOs actually violated the letter or the spirit of the state constitution.
VodkaReindeer
Who would decide whether they do or not?
Ialmostgotthis
That is a reasonable court response imo. They need to hold the govt to the state constitution regardless of intent.
spittleteets
How is it a reasonable response? 3 Dr's were pissed they couldn't perform non essential surgery so they sued like childish brats
dyxj
Read the decision syllabus, at least. I think the majority decision to declare the EPGA unconstitutional was flawed.
theOmazingJobyTheDog
Yup, if this was a GOP gov using a loophole to rule unilaterally he would be called Hitler
QuentinD
People call her Hitler here in Michigan. i see “Whitler” signs all over
songbringer
This. Her EOs were not the issue in this case. She used an old law to declare an indefinite state of emergency.
songbringer
It grants her emergency powers which are not intended to be held for this long. She uses them for good, but it is a very bad precedent.
songbringer
she has been a fantastic governor in the midst of this crisis, but she needs to operate by the rules, even if it limits what she can do.
dyxj
She was following the rules, as written. The court majority decided the rules didn't set specific enough standards to avoid violating the 1/
sheepybloke
Yas a michigander, it puts me in a hard spot. We needed this and someone needed to take charge since the ledge. didnt help here. 1/2
sheepybloke
But still, if it violates the law, the court had a valid point.
Clockworkdancerobot
So the GOP Senate doesn't work with their Democratic governor, forces her to take action to protect people, then reverses it?
polishpanther87
My friend has called her a dictator through the whole pandemic and I hate that. She has done an awesome job here in MI to save lives.
theOmazingJobyTheDog
They would absolutely work with her, not give her anything she wanted.
LurkingMcLurkface
Shocker.
PianoMan2112
Declare martial law and/or state of emergency and keep doing it?
notsigningupforthis
Nah, just stop testing and contact tracing and it’ll be gone before you know your grandma even had it and died by herself....shit, too deep.
CheesecakePi
Let's imagine for a minute the parties were reversed, and a GOP member of the executive branch were using EOs to circumvent the legal /1
nahmanpichu
100%. Love how shes handled everything but at the end of the day if we have to accept that if someone we like flaunts the law to do 1/2
nahmanpichu
Something we like we have to consider how we'd feel if someone we hated did the same thing we'd be furious.
CheesecakePi
authority of a majority Democrat legislature. Regardless of intentions, it's a problematic legal precedent to set. Because you better buy /2
CheesecakePi
that the GOP absolutely WILL use it when the roles are reversed and it's politically convenient for them. Just a question of when. 3/3