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The man you see in front of you is Dinko Valev:
TLDR:
1) He is a famous vigilante who illegally patrols the Bulgarian border where he apprehends migrants.
2) I spent a portion of my summer in his tank alongside him writing an article.
3) There are many more like Valev with varying degrees of notoriety.
4) I'm going back today to work on an YouTube series about vigilante justice in Bulgaria. 5) I'm hoping IMGUR would like to follow my story as it unfolds.
FYI You can read all you want about Valev and what exactly he's done here:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35919068
https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/migrant-hell-v23n4
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/12/bulgaria-arrests-three-vigilantes-accused-migrant-attacks
This is him demonstrating for me how one squishes a bus should one feel the need to.
Outside of Valev, I examined the rise of vigilante force around the country including civilian military groups like the one pictured above. (I made a promise not to film any faces except for the main leaders so that is why the focus is mostly on torso / arms in the shots above.)
I also got to interview Petar Nizamov - another vigilante who you might know from videos such as the one below.
At some point this was pretty much all that was being published about Bulgaria. This smart phone video circulated showing migrants that Nizamov had apparently apprehended and zip tied while waiting for border police to show up.
During the summer, I was working on an articlefor a program co-ordinated through Reuters, CNN, the Washington Post, and a bunch of other media corps. It was an amazing experience but a difficult one.
I could talk for ages about how split my opinion is on everything going on within the country and what the most recent developments in hostilities between migrants and the police could mean for public perception and so on but if you're looking for additional info from me, please read my article that I uploaded back in September:
https://journey2016.atavist.com/vigilante-justice-bulgaria
NOW WHY AM I TELLING YOU ALL THIS?
In 1 hour I am leaving for a flight to go back to Bulgaria and work on proper independent media coverage of vigilante's within the country as well as the current situation for migrants.
I want IMGUR to be a part of this.
It's not about having views on YouTube or subscribers, it's about having an audience that is interested in what I'm doing over the next 18 days.
I have previously made it to the front page for my "Winter in Japan" video and I received an incredible amount of feedback and comments which made it all SO WORTHWHILE. It was inspiring to have so many of you ask me simple things like what equiptment I recommend or what my ideal itinerary would be.
If anyone is interested the link is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxamZiDlJ0A.
Although I am very happy with my travel video(s), this project is something far more ambitious and driven from my own desire to tell the story from an unbiased perspective as possible.
STARTING TOMORROW I WILL BE WORKING ON "THE VIGILANTE DIARIES".
You can follow it on my YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWQsjHZCRqinkfLWn7DP8pg
I don't want donations or anything of the sort, just an audience that will hopefully interact with what I upload over the next 2 weeks.
THE INTRO VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaZ_0DCW1iI
EDIT 1: First Episode is up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtcPGbNsXSc
EDIT 2: Second Episode is up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H92rNdA5P1A
PS: For anyone wondering - I've been running a freelance media / photo company alongside my best friend for the last three working on documentaries for a few big international organizations such as Oxfam and WWF. This is strictly a personal project and I don't want it to be tied to anyone.
metalfoto
interesting!! i'll be tuned. fact is ambiguous EU policy is leading people to improvisation in both sides, pro/against
SlightlyAngryAtAllTimes
I read "migrants" as "midgets" at first and was very confused.
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
On one hand I don't believe you're a journalist ('s plural. Really?), but then you called that a tank (sensationalist), so now I'm confused.
Scratch777
Can you infiltrate Vice and report on why they suck now?
wadatahmydamie
Do they suck, or do they just say stuff you disagree with?
tabasco225
They make docs on men who fuck donkeys...
wadatahmydamie
Well I'm sorry that your private life was put on display like that.
charliegrs
I am very interested. We need more real journalism like this
CapitalizingOnTheAbsenseOfAReasonableUsernameCharacterLimit
Have you considered watching Edge? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWVNDfDSE44
Sn4f
I hate how people say sth like this is real journalism. He also has his agenda. His work is interesting but he will also push his agenda.
Noob3rts
Bring back the ism in journalism!
Maniacxxl
MOOAARR
rezzy97
While not all of it will be, look in to viceland or just vice in general
FisterMantastic
This is what vice was like about 10-15 years ago. Gonzo vigilante journalism. Now its just fucking drivel.
RudolftheRedNosedDuck
Growing up I always wanted to travel and be a journalist, but it died out or so I thought. So I totally agree we need this back!
Galhaar
I would love living like this but unfortunately I'm way too biased to ever be a respectable journalist.
RudolftheRedNosedDuck
I mean there are different kinds of journalists, I wanted to be a photo journalist & travel the world and meet people and know their stories
mjspatz
There is a tremendous amount of "real" journalism. To deny this is do a disservice to so many who risk their lives to bring the world to 1/2
mjspatz
2/2 us. As much as one may want to argue the business of news prevents "real" journalism, ultimately the readership dictates the product.
KeepingSummerSafe
Gonzo journalism best journalism.
FrozenPotato609
I feel like they're abusing power on helpless people. Illegal immigrants or not you can't enforce the law by breaking it. They are psychos.
HonestyOfTheBleach
But yet they can.
Boopdog
Lotta people are just looking for an excuse to hurt someone else and get away with it.
FrozenPotato609
Disorder is not the solution. Be careful with those people out there OP. Hope you give an honest opinion on these people.
AdolfMotheringfuckingHitlerwaitnothatstaken
I may not agree with who's doing or how they do it, but I don't think refugees should be coming into a country illegally.
FrozenPotato609
If you chase people with a fucking tank you're not doing any good at all. Let the goverment handel them.
AdolfMotheringfuckingHitlerwaitnothatstaken
That's kinda what I'm getting at
Subjugatealllife
That's not a damn tank. Learn what the words you use mean.
riskmaker33
Next, go to Syria and find out why they're leaving the country.
MayaMacskusz
15% of them are come from Syria.
busdriverdan
Are they migrants or refugees? Big difference here. Good journalism though.
OhGoodGodThisIsWrong
Bring it bro, bitches need to be informed :-)
rickjames22
That's right, as the man said "the bitches need to be edumacated! Bring the noise, OP!" ;)
lopeezy
Bitches love to be educated.
MartinGrahovski
Haha that they do :)
Toderdj
I'm curious as to what motivated these people to start this?
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jonathanmezelluf
While the average pension for the elderly is around 120 euros and an average salary is around 400 euros.
OhGoodGodThisIsWrong
But in all seriousness, sounds like an interesting gig, keep us posted!
MartinGrahovski
If this gets to the front page I'll make sure to edit the post and all the different episodes!
OhGoodGodThisIsWrong
Excellent, will spread the word.
Inlovewithallama
You should make this into a podcast series.
SpookyTheFirst
"independent media" in Bulgaria :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D.... There is no such thing
kevlarburrito
To be clear that isn't a tank, it's a tracked utility vehicle
Aerolfoz
Not tank. Amphibious transport vehicle, very lightly armoured... closer to Halftrack (Just fully tracked and can go in the water)
Jeddaven
Why do people think every armored vehicle is a tank? Jesus, do some research.
kittybuttwiggle
This thing isn't even armored either.
DnoopSogg
This is very important, thanks for sharing!
wadatahmydamie
Tanks* for sharing
DnoopSogg
BeautifulThighs
This whole thread of people jumping to conclusions about these people is why we need someone doing actual journalism and getting more info
Sturmgeschutz
That's not a tank. I don't trust journalists that can't even be bothered to do research.
perceptualmotion
it'd be REALLY fucking cool if you traveled to syria too and get to know them in the same way and travel through bulgaria with them.
perceptualmotion
why downvote? he's saying he wants an unbiased perspective, visiting both involved sites and ppl seems like a pretty good way to do that no?
JustSayingYouHaventSeenMeAndBatmanInTheSameRoomBefore
There's no such thing as an unbiased perspective, there are only various forms of bias. It's about filtering info through known bias.
perceptualmotion
absolutely, i agree, OP called it that unbiased perspective. i would have written "unbiased perspective" if i had characters to spare. ;)
BeautifulThighs
I think the point is he's gathering info from a perspective no one else is willing to. Plenty have done from the Syrian perspective honestly
perceptualmotion
that's not what i read into it, i read into it that he is insinuating that news outlets are conveying a ambiguous (biased) view.
perceptualmotion
ambiguous in the sense that choice of news outlet gives different views.
BeautifulThighs
Not saying one way is right, only saying attacking him for not doing it the way you and everyone else think is right is misguided
perceptualmotion
who is attacking him?! i havent said anything about ONE way, he is looking for an unbiased view, looking at BOTH sides is the logical step.
ohgodno2727
fuck illegal migrants.
HeatLegend
nah man, fuck you
ablackcatnamedpearl
Surprising number of people making sweeping statements about people's motivations & economic situations without any evidence. 1/2
ablackcatnamedpearl
More and more posts on imgur seem to be alt-right/fascist propaganda from emotional/angry teenagers. 2/2
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Sadly its not only imgur. Alt-right (or however you want to call them) are on the rise in europe (and elsewhere in the world)
TheToll
Imgur is alt-right/fascist? Hahaha don't make me laugh. It's one of the most leftist naive sites on the web
rickjames22
OP, this is fascinating, please share more. I would interested in knowing why the migrants are not welcome there; is it because they are 1/2
BewareTheIceSpiders
Because every country has a right to control its borders and immigration... you want to emigrate, follow the laws & procedures.
rickjames22
Causing "trouble" and breaking local laws or it more of nationalism that is fuelling this? Please share, we rarely hear about this. 2/2
xheroth
Why is the word trouble in quotes? Do you know the history of Bulgaria or seen the Einzelfall map?
ireallycantthinkofanythingoriginal
The migrants are most likely just trying to pass through on their way to Germany, the UK or Sweden.
beezzarro
I support you getting the full story. But I can't tell if you're actually doing an exposé or a glorification. Please clarify
Dares
What is glorifying about his post? Theres vigilantes in Bulgaria stopping migrants/refugees. One of the vigilantes has a tank. He's filming.
beezzarro
He uses the words "apprehended" and "Vigilante justice". I just want to know if he agrees with it or not
PeteTusk
... especially since those words are usually for criminal activity, and the word "migrant" doesn't mean criminal.
KeeleonOhms
Telling the full story would require travelling with refugees too.
TrueNateDogg
Nah but why would anyone do that right? All the dirty immigrants are just subhumans right? They don't have a story either right?
akalien
Does it matter? He is showing what is happening. It doesn't matter his own feelings
Eowyneb
this is scary. No one leaves their homes or family behind unless they need too and here we have horrible people thinking they are justice.
agorednocit
Why are they horrible people? I respect what they are trying to do, its perfectly understandable
Eowyneb
To go out of your way with guns pretending you are justice? Fuck no. This are people not animals
Ogri
Perhaps these people should fight for their homelands rather than deserting them like rats; we Europeans have done this for centuries.
Eowyneb
Hahaha you mean the same europeans that colonize the world because they immigrated everywhere? At least this immigrants don't go killing
Thefluffernutter
Defended yourselves while proudly crying "never give up! Never surrender!" There was never a time were basically the entire continent was 2
Thefluffernutter
Sending boats upon boats of people across the ocean or to neighboring countries that had somehow escaped the tyrannical will of a madman?3/4
Thefluffernutter
Oh, you have? You've never sought outside help when your people were being rounded up and slaughtered en mass? You have always proudly 1
Ogri
I've never needed to seek outside help because my forefathers killed every nigger that tried to enslave them.
Thefluffernutter
Really, Mr European? That is super not what I'm talking about. Where are you from, if you don't mind my asking?
AdolfMotheringfuckingHitlerwaitnothatstaken
But if you'd like to give a couple examples I'd be willing to talk about it. 2/2
AdolfMotheringfuckingHitlerwaitnothatstaken
Regardless of what that other guy's said, in recent centuries Europeans haven't fled in the mass numbers that Syrians are right now 1/2
coloradostoneman
These people are not heroes, they are thugs.
TheToll
Same can be said about the people they are stopping/apprehending. It's all perspective and the Imgur hivemid one tend to be leaning left
coloradostoneman
How are people running away from a war and trying to get to a place that they can live safely and support their families thugs?
TheToll
1 Most of them are not running away from wars. Turkey is not in any wars, why dont they stay there? Why do they travel trough
coloradostoneman
Most of them are not Turks. most are Syrians or Iraqis or afghans or Libyans, you know places with wars.
coloradostoneman
AS for why not stop in Turkey, being able to work for a living is important. Turkey could not possibly support that many people.
TheToll
Read again, I never said they were Turks I said they enter from Turkey.
TheToll
2 20 perfectly safe countries just to reach the ones that give most money to them
lambaroo
i find it slightly ironic that bulgarians dislike immigrants when there has been a mass exodus of bulgarians to more western euro countries
misho
Countries consist of many individuals with different opinions and values.
ChewyVuitton
they dislike ILLEGAL immigrants. Big difference
gunter
Dailymail?
TheSmellOfDesireMyLady
The majority of the bulgarians that has migrated are the gypsys and they differ generally from the rest of the country
RobertHolliday
Really the gypsies? Big tattooed bro patrolling the border for illegal immigrants. Whee is there no meme for this?
JohnnyTitelips
I haven't seen massive hordes of rioting Bulgarians.
SigMa17
How many of those Bulgarians have blown themselves up in suicide bombings? I'd like an exact number please. I'll wait while you find it.
lambaroo
considering no refugees have blown themselves up in bulgaria that i'm aware of, i'm not sure what your point is.
lambaroo
oh, btw, bulgaria is immensely happy to sell arms to anyone + everyone, caches of which were found in aleppo recently. reap what you sow?
docHolidei
Bulgarians are part of the Europian union, and as such, they have every right to travel work and study in Europe.
lambaroo
yes, they do. you are absolutely right. it still doesn't change the irony of it though
lambaroo
btw, i'm all for border controls, but not by self appointed vigilantes, many(not all) of whom have strong racist/fascist tendencies
skyberry1
Yesss this!
adrianguerrero5941
THANK YOU
Corki
There would be no need for vigilantes if the appropriate authorities did their job eh?
Nathanyel
Well it does say "he apprehends _migrants_" - he hunts emigrants as well. "You want to leave Bulgaria? Haha, no chance my friend."
marzipanius
It's a specific type of immigrants they disapprove of, not immigrants or immigration per se.
Criticus
Syrian(Islamic) culture is not compatible with western values. Looks at the 1000 sexual assault on German women in one day by refugees. 1/2
Protoncheto
There is a big diffirence between people who are looking for a job and are trying to be integrated and people who are doing it illegally.
NOINOON
Soooo... you want migrants, not refugees?
qaghan
Am in GER and see a bunch of Bulgarians in their own quarters running Kebab places pretending to be Turks, ironic bc they hate each other
Knillis
Lots of refugees are looking for a job and trying to be integrated (or would be if they had the chance), just saying.
Protoncheto
The problem comes from the other part of the miggrants. While a small part they are troublesome to deal with. No papers to prove origin.
Knillis
Its difficult allright, but you don't need papers to have human rights, some people forget this
TheDarkLordOfTrees
What makes you think that? You really think people travel that far to another country to live a life of homelessness?
Protoncheto
Furthermore many do not try to look for a job and live from the goverment help.
AnotherLowski
You mean the Bulgarians in the other European countries?
NOINOON
Ah. The feelings are strong withis one. Ain't no fact gonna budge this dude.
Protoncheto
If you have some facts let me see.
NOINOON
A little post factual crybaby. Did you not understand a single word I wrote? If you thought facts mattered you'd search them yourself.
NOINOON
You're happy in your bubble dismissing anything that counters your thoughts as leftist propaganda. They make you feel bad so they're lies!
GrundleFondler
How do you legally flee a war in your home country? Drive to the next airport and book a one way trip to the Bahamas?
donotforget1
Most of the migrants causing problems aren't refugees from wars, they're economic migrants who go back once they find it's not paradise.
donotforget1
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/23/495170249/finding-europe-untenable-more-migrants-return-to-their-home-countries
Protoncheto
Most of them aren't fleeing. They see an opportunity to go and live a better life. Better as in not working and getting free stuff from 1/2
Protoncheto
the goverment. If you look it up you can buy a Syrian passport and ID. With a new identity. This is how terrorist can sneak in easily.
riskmaker33
You have a point. But really, is there a problem with wanting a better life? As for terrorists... There is no escaping that problem.
GrundleFondler
Oh pls educate yourself before spewing hate-4,9 million refugees come from Syria alone, and I don't have to tell you why they are fleeing...
Glidingboulder
Isis right?
yzark01
refugees are required by law to stop at the first safe country. most dont, so from that point they cease being refugees and become migrants.
TheDarkLordOfTrees
Because neighboring countries are usually so nice to refugees. They even let them have their own camp!
Nathanyel
Yet even if you do, and get eventually assigned to a country further away, you still get yelled at and attacked by "concerned citizens".
lambaroo
any assignment is purely down to the courtesy of a receiving country. refugee claims are supposed to be mandatory in 1st safe signee country
kittybuttwiggle
Some of the blame for that might go to the vast amounts of people who didn't play by the rules.
lambaroo
only by virtue of being allowed into eu about 2 decades too early, + let's be honest, most arriving in bulgaria are only travelling through
Protoncheto
They are indeed. But we have no means to determine what they are going to do. The recent terrorist attackers might have been let trought 1/2
lambaroo
hey, i already said we needed more secure borders, but that's not some vigilante's job, nor does it take away from the irony
Protoncheto
People don't support Velev. Well most of them don't. Only people the uneducated or people who remember stories about the Ottoman empire.
Protoncheto
Because there was no one to stop them and determine if they should be let through or not.
derekjohn
The irony is that, throughout much of the rest of Europe, it is the Bulgarian immigrants that people want to get rid of. White slavers.
TheToll
Now you are generalizing. Because a couple of groups are bad according to you, we should exclude rest of the Bulgarian people?
GrenadierOfKrieg
The people they want to get rid of are the gypsies that try to exploit the richer western european nations the same way they have been/part1
GrenadierOfKrieg
Exploiting our own country their whole lives, I see no one complaining about the foctors, engineers and IT tevhs that we export to the west
marzipanius
As a northern European I can't say I've ever seen Bulgarians among the "troublesome nationalities".
Protoncheto
If a person is not going in legally with no papers that prove origin or if they have a record should not be let in. 1/2
Protoncheto
If you want to go to another country to seek a better life you should be able to do it. Legally.
qaghan
Bulgarians only can do it legally because they got a free pass into the EU, despite not meeting the standards. Kinda like Greece.
christerpettersson
So you are saying that most of the people fleeing from for example syria shouldnt be let in to any counties because the smuglers took 1/2
christerpettersson
all of their money and papers?
Michelicorne
Awarness indeed. Fleeing the war to be captured by a big white bear at the border. Joys of life.
S33KER
So long as they yell "OPEN OR DIE" and assault the border, they can go back to their shithole.
HindSigh2020
Barley any of these economic migrants are fleeing war, look up were they are coming from so few come from war torn places.
Wastyvez
Please go look up some legitimate facts instead of listening to the BS of far right pundits. http://www.unhcr.org/figures-at-a-glance.html
TheToll
Doesnt say anything in your link about the demographic of the refugees in Europe.
ITalkAboutGoats
You have no idea where they are coming from
HindSigh2020
Refugee status is there to protect victims of war, not economic migrants. Syrian children starve because there are 30 greedy POS inline.
TheToll
Because they burn their passports/ID cards, why do you think they do that?
ingelri
80% of "Syrian refugees" are from north africa, 70% of them are men, and they seem intent on going through all of Europe to get to Germany.
perceptualmotion
what makes you think people would want to run from the security of their home without good reason?
HindSigh2020
Why does anyone migrate to a richer country legally or illegaly? They seek a better life but are doing it the wrong way.
HindSigh2020
For every fake asylum seeker, that is less food, shelter and services for real victims of war Apparently you enjoy Syrian refugees starving
perceptualmotion
fake asylum seekers? is this a big issue? can you source that? and stop with the moronic straw men, i never said that.
TheToll
Because if they get to northern Europe they get money they could only dream about otherwise, stop being so naive.
perceptualmotion
all my friends that fled from iraq, afganistan, kurdistan had much less money as refugees in sweden than with careers and houses at home.
TheToll
Ah the "all the refugees that arrive are engineers" trope, nice one.
huldinos
Yeah. I'd say you are waaaay off there. Most of them are fleeing for their lives.
TheToll
Nope you are way off and ignorant on the subject if you truly believe the majority are from Syria.
kittybuttwiggle
It's a bit hard to believe when they flee past like 10 safe countries, evading border patrol to get to the one they prefer
ingelri
80% of "Syrian refugees" are from north africa, 70% of them are men, and they seem intent on going through all of Europe to get to Germany.
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ingelri
T-thanks, you too
fural
Vigilantes are out to do good illegally... this isn't vigilante justice, its just a brute with a tank abusing people who have nothing.
spiralshark
What's good is relative, so
six187
exactly, probably some fascist that enjoys playing soldier.
riggamorris
YES thank you. It's like the Autodefensas in the Colombian Civil war
agorednocit
I thought the Autodefensas was just in Mexico
HydraulicPotatos
Well that's why we need journalism like what op's doing to open informed debate on stuff like this.
Wastyvez
Unfortunately giving fringe groups like this attention only serves to validate them and normalise their behaviour.
Barbiter
Maybe they dont want to be culturally enriched?
ProjectKurtz
I don't blame them.
HeatLegend
Well they'll damn have to if they want to call themselves humane
storebrandproductmascot
Alt-righters are seriously some miserable disgusting garbage people. Can we deport them and keep the Mexicans?
Barbiter
Found the SJW
wadatahmydamie
Being that you're only a citizen due to birthright citizenship, how do you feel about birthright citizenship?
ProjectKurtz
I feel it should only apply if one or both parents are citizens. It shouldn't just be "oh you plopped out in this country, you're a citizen"
storebrandproductmascot
Ah, you went with SJW. I figured you'd call me a cuck or a snowflake. It's always one of the three.
Barbiter
Could say the same about you calling me an alt-righter/xenophobe/islamophobe/racist/sexist or w/e
HindSigh2020
2/2 that is why you only see men of working age, they want better jobs and that is not a good enough reason to be an illegal immagrant
Glumerlink
it is pretty much one of the few reasons people do it, all countries have this, the world economy depends on some illegals coming around
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
You have a valid point, but you ruin it with exaggerations like "nearly all" and "only". 66% of adult migrants / refugees are men, as 1/2
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
are 90% of unaccompanied minors. The total male/female ratio is around 2:1. There are economic migrants,but also legitimate refugee families
pgdave
I feel like wanting a better life is a pretty damn good reason to migrate - it's pretty much why the US exists, at least.
Glidingboulder
I found the sjw!
HindSigh2020
Nearly all of these migrants have money, family, homes ect they are going to countries they think they can get more money from. 1/2
waffleincubator
Not exactly, how much of the Syrian conflict is reported to where you live? Most of these people are refugees of war, and it is often 1/2
waffleincubator
2/2 the man who arrives first and then tries to get permission for the rest who the family to come.
six187
Even if they do, I don't blame them for persuing a better life.
ablackcatnamedpearl
how do you know that? where are you getting this information from?
footfoe
Abusing people by enforcing the law.
diablosword
Abusing people by breaking the law.
FrozenPotato609
Enforcing the law by breaking it. See the hypocrisy?
bearwithhair
Which law? In Bulgaria what they are doing is purely illegal.
Barbiter
Literally said they waited for border POLICE...
bearwithhair
They do not have the right to detain anyone. Border Police are the ones responsible for this and that's the cold hard truth.
Barbiter
Are ILLEGAL migrants protected under that law though?
SGRogers
Citizens arrest.
Glidingboulder
If we did this in the US to the mexicans NOT going through the immigration process we'd be labeled racists and bigots.
NecessaryPrick
Don't we call them ICE?
popejubal
We already have vigilantes who do this in the US to immigrants who don't go through the immigration process. Lots of them.
bearwithhair
Some of us bulgarians think similarly of these vigilantees.
Glidingboulder
Cool, I dont care for trumps "wall" plan, and think better/easier immigration policy would fix our problems over here.
Wastyvez
You're falsely assuming that these vigilantes aren't bigoted ultra-nationalists.
Glidingboulder
I'm not assuming they are anything, I was talking about US border practices and what someone would be if they took the law into their hands.
Wastyvez
I thought you were saying that people in the US doing the same would be wrongfully accused of bigotry, misinterpretation on my end.
Glidingboulder
I sometimes dont communicate what I mean very well, imgur is a great way to put thoughts into physical form and see how people react. TY!
Flyersfan315
Enforcing the US immigration law is already considered racist by he left...
coloradostoneman
well, that is because you would be. so is this shit head.
Groznek
Yyyyeah, you would be. Or at least, you'd be a shithead. Vigilantes are, overwhelmingly, more harm than they are help.
Glidingboulder
As well as a liability, what happens if someone gets shot?
Boopdog
Correctly labeled.
wadatahmydamie
Rightfully so.
agorednocit
There are other motives for border vigilantes besides racism
wadatahmydamie
Sure, like garden variety sociopathy.
storebrandproductmascot
You'd be a piece of shit for doing it in America, and that guy's a piece of shit for doing it in Bulgaria. Simple concept.
Glidingboulder
No argument there, out imigration process is shit.
storebrandproductmascot
Also, we do have volunteer militias "guarding" the border who would love to be more proactive about it if they could get away with it.
wadatahmydamie
"If you illegally attacked people because of where they're from, you'd be considered racist" - guy who's unaware that he's describing racism
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wadatahmydamie
So? If they're violent, punish them. Most of 'em just want better lives.
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Glidingboulder
Immigration enforcement should be left to law enforcement, - who can be held accountable for unmitigated abuses.
kittybuttwiggle
And if law enforcement can't handle it we just say oh well?
Glidingboulder
No, we vote a lunatic in because he'll build a wall *sarcasm font.
riggamorris
lol you're already labeled like that in latin america for having that wall up
Glidingboulder
So I should be able to just go anywhere without doing any paperwork or apply for visas or pay taxes to your country if i work there?
riggamorris
YOU ALREADY DO
aboxacaraflatafan
Why in the world do you think this?
riggamorris
the US military has bases worldwide... us soldiers don't need visas to work in our countries or pay taxes to the countries they are deployed
bearwithhair
As a bulgarian, I strongly disaprove of the actions of these meat-heads I've found that media coverege only helps them further. So fuck them
bearwithhair
I'm at work at the moment but later I'll respond to your arguments since this can be discussed further.
ArmadilloDill
OMG :O (check out my name). was just reading the comment and found yours :O tell Beti hello from me :D
ArmadilloDill
@bearwithhair check out this vid (you maybe have already seen this? this vid was exactly what I was thinking of when I red your response 1/2
ArmadilloDill
@bearwithhair https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VJIUVkpt8c
Eowyneb
exactly! they think they are justice when in fact they are the evil assholes of the world.
Criticus
they want to protect their country and culture. Maybe you'd like to be like Germany and have 1000 women sexually assaulted in one night.
ZimnyKartofel
Do you want illegal immigrants like in Germany and France? Keep talking shit and you will get them.
howcansomeonepossiblyhavethesameweirdusernamealready
Bulgarian vigilantes: tsiulini mi guzza! (Kaksi, bearwithhair!)
Imjustaroundforthepoints
I'm not sure I fully understand the conflict going on. Could someone explain?
TheSmellOfDesireMyLady
If nobody else does it, the "meat-heads" will. Whats your solution? and how will you make it happen?
MartyMcNugget
I'm British and I wholeheartedly agree. These people are, for want of a better term, cunts.
tyrsfavoritesword
Facts and harsh truths always get ignored in the face of emotional manipulation. "We can't turn them away, that would make us bad people."
JustSayingYouHaventSeenMeAndBatmanInTheSameRoomBefore
Not to mention this is totally shameless self-promotion from OP.
DannikPLS
I totally agree with you fellow Bulgar
TheWorldArriving
I was just reading the first TLDR point and immediately thought "Dissaprove!"
bearwithhair
Efreeti
And they're not migrants. They're refugees. I hate that people call them migrants, it minimizes the crisis they're escaping from.
Poserman
They are migrants, not refugees. stop calling these ***** refugees.
Snowcean
So much this.
Eowyneb
it is a way for people to be ok with hurting them. they leave their homes behind because of fear and people suck for hurting them.
malign
They have legal and official ways of going through this. Doing so the way they do doesn't help their cause.
Eowyneb
fuck the cause they need to save their lives and families. fuck what would you do in this situation? I had to run away, you know nothing.
yzark01
most of them are migrants. most of them paid huge amounts to get smuggled out of the country that real refugees just cant afford
yzark01
obviously some of them are coming from war torn areas, but the majority of them are just opportunists.
pgdave
Refugees aren't necessarily poor before they have to leave behind all their wealth.
jcarn
They stop being refugees when they've reached safe territories and continue on as economic migrants. There's no war in the medi regions.
Barbiter
Why do you disaprove exactly?
ImgurBOT36473
Use common sense dumb American.. Is it so surprising to see a smart person
Gauntlet2013
Cause you approve that's why.
bearwithhair
Because they posess no authority and answer to no one,they follow only their own interpretation of what is just. 1/2
kunkuno
Like batman
sundaymondayhippyday
So rational- it worries me
bearwithhair
And Dinko has already stated that he has "rich and important friends who support him". The government should do its job and not close eyes
Kennleth
Aren't they closing their eyes to illegal immigration? I'm not saying what he's doing is just or righteous but if they arent doing anything?
Eowyneb
what do you want their to be done? just let people with guns and hatred hurt and harm people running away from their homes?
Barbiter
I get that they don't technically have authority but they just catch them they wait for law enforcement after, said in the article.
JustHereForComments
Why are you down voted on stating a fact from an article? The article could of mislead but a simple comment would of sufficed...
spudpicker
Police receive a little thing called "regular training". People don't realize how much damage you can do just handcuffing someone.
bearwithhair
Not everything is presented i the article or in the media,as you can imagine.E.g. they publish videos of hog-tieing refugees and forcing1/2
bearwithhair
Them back to Turkey where nobody knows what will happen as opposed to waiting for Bulgarian Border Control and letting them handle it
Leiker535
You can't just "catch" people if you're not a legitimate authority...
LokiKingOfJotunheim
Actually, that's incorrect in many countries. Citizen's arrest allows you to detain someone that has committed a crime, usually a felony.
popejubal
When the police take someone into custody, that's an arrest. When random people take someone into custody, that's kidnapping.
ProjectKurtz
In the US, you can make a citizen's arrest, where you detain someone until police arrive.
LokiKingOfJotunheim
There is a thing called citizen's arrest... They are detaining an individual until the police can arrive to officially detain them.
Abominor
No, citizens arresting a suspected criminal prior to police receipt is not kidnapping.
HurrDurrGurrPurrSchnurr
Or citizens arrest if the people in custody were commiting a crime. At least it's like that in the US, UK and Germany, dunno about Bulgaria.
RedWineAndSkyrim
I think in America though, you have to see them commit the crime, as well as have a valid reason not to wait for police. Also, zip-tying (1)
raptorking
Crossing the border illegally is a crime dude
RedWineAndSkyrim
people and/or holding them at gunpoint would be illegal if they weren't being violent, I think. Regardless, it's not exactly wise (2)
RedWineAndSkyrim
to do that, for obvious reasons. Really, a citizen's arrest should only be attempted if someone's life/property is in danger (3/3)
shepurrrd
Jesus christ it's not a tank, it's PTS and it's closer to a truck then a tank
ImNotAlwaysAnAsshole
Shut up.
GadenKerensky
Isn't it an amphibious transport?
ExtremelyHappyGuy
Nailed it.
GadenKerensky
Thought so, judging from the shape of the hull on the bow.
guythezombie
I know right! I mean get it right come on. I have to admit though, my favourite tank has to be: /a/3rqlK
sundaymondayhippyday
shiyal
And it floats!
RoryBlack1
so did shermans during dday...
SpaghettiFox
A trank
stenwhik
I think a lot of people here are confusing Main Battle Tanks with the word Tank. Tank has always been slang for armoured vehicle.
ruferto
what does pts mean? psuedo-tank s?
EnvelopeOfDoom9000
Some Eastern Europe acronym I assume
ExtremelyHappyGuy
"A Soviet tracked amphibious transport. PTS stands for Plavayushchij Transportyer - Sryednyj or medium amphibious transport vehicle" wiki
Fate88
PTS stands for Plavayushchij Transportyer - Sryednyj or medium amphibious transport vehicle.
dougbatman
No it's Becky
DaftKid
THANK YOU
LeTheBIGDOGeat
Wasn't this guy, or one of the other vigilantes, rolling around in a BTR80 of some sort? I remember seeing a picture on BBC news
takeoffurpantsandjacket
Looks like a tank to me. Makes more sense than calling it a truck to most people
domsson
Tank is wrong, truck is wrong. Why not, at least, go with something like 'armored vehicle'? Or tank-like vehicle or something.
eruditic
Yes this is a LAV
arkhamqueen
I think the discussion about the tankiness of this tank would not bei fruitful. For me it looked very tanky.
Arsikere
but it's got treads... so by default= tank
Morrigi
No.
Arsikere
once again... text can't convey sarcasm. i should have added "/s" at the end of that... my bad :(
MartinGrahovski
I figured I should probably respond to this as it addresses me directly :P The reason I referred to it as a tank is twofold:
MartinGrahovski
1) Most medias call it a tank so I figured that that's what people would remember.
HannoHatakka
Yea they do, and they make themselves look like idiots when they call that a tank.
MartinGrahovski
2) Dinko Valev refers to it as a tank himself which doesn't help the case ;)
MishiMoya
Can we take cue from the gaming world and call it a "TankLike"
Fate88
PTS stands for Plavayushchij Transportyer - Sryednyj or medium amphibious transport vehicle.
Morrigi
Okay, all of you are wrong. Congratulations.
DeathclawSanctuary
3) Clickbait
FartedWhileMakingUpName
So they're wrong, he's wrong and now you're wrong.
SolictedDickPicsUponRequest
We're reporting that there's looting, raping, and, yes, even acts of cannibalism.
domsson
This. Media educates people, even if it doesn't intend or want to. Therefore, media should get things as right as possible.
Calasin
this is a tank http://imgur.com/faFlkat gotta love german engineering
Snarkywisecrack
"Ya gotta shoot 'em in the ass" - Oddball
onlyhalfghost
Actually, thanks to the terrible quality and poor sloping, a decent anti-armor gun can put a hole right in the front of that.
Snarkywisecrack
Oddball was Donald Sutherland in Kelly's Heroes
onlyhalfghost
Oops.
DarkUranium
Think again, it had serious power plant issues and horrible transportation problems. (1/?)
DarkUranium
The only things going for it were the gun and the sheer amount of armor (though the design of armor was terrible --- no sloping). (2/2)
Ansatsunin
The Tiger II was more than a little better in those aspects, if I'm remembering correctly.
DarkUranium
Some. Armor was sloped, but it had the exact same engine as the Tiger I *and* it kept the transportation issues.
onkelNEXTus
Journalist normaly assume every fire weapon is AK47 so for them is this a tank.
sundaymondayhippyday
That's cause they get in dangerous places.... it's safer to associate all with your best life choices
CommanderWilliamTRiker
Oh, a cap gun? GLOCK
XaviersSnakeArm
Bursting a paper bag full of air? PIPE BOMB
theretheyretheir
And every dog is a pitbull
shiyal
I liked the variety of weaponry in the pics. What is the side folding AR/M-16 variant?
ventuno
That looks like an LR 300 rifle to my eye, my fellow gun enthusiast.
shiyal
I think you may be right. I didn't think it RRA's LAR-PDS. A side folder would be sweet tho. Maybe an MCX or even Kel Tec's SU-16C.
ventuno
Our London Metropolitan Armed Police now carry the MCX. It is definitely a gun that screams "deterrent" when you look at it haha. Angry gun!
deathdragan
I feel like your comment maybe had five real words then just letters.
DarkUranium
SomeDudeNurse
The nerf gun. Gold.
CanadianFurr
No, it's yellow.
tornbetweenscyllaandcovfefe
Hehe. Flintglock pistol.
SenOfFiveTails
I love how the actual glock is an AK-47
EmergencyAustralian
This seems to be missing the most dangerous weapon known to man. A.K.A Nerf guna
EricFromAccounts
That's the best damn beyblade I've ever seen
MessageMeYourCats
Flintlock Glock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JXzygY84u4
PsuPepperoni
What's that bullpup Barrett looking thing
Noobulus
Google said it was this this thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_XM500
SuloBruh
An AK-47, look at the diagram
nabukekidesu
I'm going to unironically answer your question, it's an M95 bolt action bullpup by Barrett
circlebreaker
Looks full-tracked, but yeah, not turret = no tank, I think?
Snarkywisecrack
It made short work of that bus.
kevlarburrito
You can have a tracked vehicle with a turret and still not be a tank
circlebreaker
Anti-air weapons platform falls under that umbrella, I think?
Morrigi
And IFVs. The M2 Bradley and BMP series are not tanks.
GadenKerensky
Tracks does not make it a tank. In fact, even things that look like tanks are not. A Bradley IFV is not a tank, but an old Renault tank is.
DarkUranium
And neither does a turret. E.g. the Strv 103, or Super-Heavy Tanks from WW2 & early post-WW2.
Aerolfoz
The 103 is a tank destroyer. Which super-heavy tanks would that be? All the ones I know of have turrets, or MULTIPLE even.
Aerolfoz
Such as the Maus, the Ratte, the Russian ones (Don't remember the name sorry, but at least 2)...
smittywjmj
T28 and T95 were classified as superheavy tanks, though they're closer to casemate SPGs or tank destroyers.
DarkUranium
It's classified as a MBT.
Aerolfoz
Tanks are for fighting other tanks with. Infantry Fighting Vehicles... it's in the name...
GadenKerensky
I think IFV also means it fights alongside infantry, or with infantry within it through firing ports. Though even MBTs have infantry escort.
Aerolfoz
An IFV is capable of fighting on the frontlines for extended time yes. APCs retreat after dropping off infantry. But they are designed
Sigimund
Tanks historically are not really for fighting other tanks. The Pz.I - IV were never really intended to fight other armored vehicles
Aerolfoz
No but the fact that they ended up doing so has changed their role, I was going by more modern definitions. MASSIVE changes in WW2.
smittywjmj
MBT doctrine changed that by the end of the war. Tanks are multipurpose armored fighting vehicles, not specialized like IFVs or artillery.
StarkRG
To most people tracks is what makes a tank a tank. Even mobile artillery would be considered a tank by the uninformed.
Aerolfoz
Or stuff like Flakpanzers.
GadenKerensky
Or even those wheeled fighting Machines the French made with the cannons; they look like tanks, but they are not MBTs.
Locolarue
Tank needs: best protection, gun to kill other tanks, no passengers. If it takes passengers, IFV/ATV, less protection, tank destroyer or
Hilaritybomber
Actually as long as it carries water its a tank. Where do you think we got the word from?
Locolarue
something.
DarkUranium
By that logic, the Merkava isn't a tank, though (because it can take passengers).
BreakingBillnye
I was going to bring up the IDF MBT but I did not know it's name. Thank you frand +1
Locolarue
Depends on why it was designed to do that, and whether they do that in the field. Also that may be the exception that proves the rule.
JOHNYYYYYYY
The Merkava needs to take out 40 rounds of it's 48 round capacity to take passengers though.
DarkUranium
Sure, but it's the same basic vehicle. And AFAIK, it can take a few (was it 2?) passengers even with an ammo load.
melwil
No turret and no proper armor. It's just a truck with belts.
circlebreaker
I think that technically, it may count as a Light Armoured Vehicle?
japh
It's not armored.
melwil
Nah, it just has a metal body. But PTS means a soviet amphibious transport vehicle, and I think @shepurrrd is right about that :-)
shepurrrd
Tracked Amphibious Transport
LinksRemix
PTSZ-M is the full designation.
LinksRemix
or PTS M 10 for the Russian designation.