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thechelonianshelmet
Anti-vaxxer logic seems to boil down to, 'show me some proof, no, not that, that's all lies. I want proof that I believe, not your version'
WhyDoPeopleLoveToHateSuperman
Cunt
bambulina
"I didn't get this far in life being stupid"...um, are you sure about that? Age isn't much of an accomplishment (unless you're unvaccinated)
xizar
Actually I *have* heard of measles outbreaks lately. Mostly because of all the people who want dead kids more than good science.
Iankill
this is just my belief yeah get fucked that's like saying i believe in magic
cauliflowersweetandsour
If you don't believe in vaccinating your child your parental rights should be taken away. Endangering the public is reason enough.
UnhelpfulAnswers
People like that should be forced to undergo sterilization
psychmaster
Can we please hold antivaxers responsible for the deaths/suffering incurred by those poor kids you cant get vaccinated and get infected
PoopyProblem5
Theres nothing more stupid than a person who doesnt think theyre stupid
Effehezepe
And all this because one British jag wrote a fraudulent paper. Fuck Andrew Wakefield. Hard.
JJ2078
And he wrote a retraction and apology soon afterwards.
ACertainMoralFlexibility
My ignorance is just as valid as your evidence!
Gonnaderpya
"I'm sure there are unlimited sources that debunk my belief. I just don't believe them." FUCKING WHAT
cheeseslaw
The nice thing about facts is that you don't have to believe them for them to be true.
Penguin90
That, my friends, is the face of mental illness. "I'm sure you can prove me wrong but I'm going to believe what I want anyway".
MistysBlues
That is not mental illness; it's being deliberately ignorant. They're being a block headed crouton
Hoyboy76
I recmnd a podcast called “You are not so smart”. Check out the episodes on “blowback effect”. Facts have the opposite effect on meat bags.
DontLookBackInAnger
Willful ignorance.
thesixfingerman
I feel bad for her kids.
llamalibrarian
I see so many baby boomers argue that because they are older, they should just be allowed to their wrong information because...
llamalibrarian
...correcting them is "disrespectful". And I guess in their minds, fact-checking and truth is less important than how old they are
AJerkyMcJerkface
four horseman of the apocalypse...pestilence
HellfireJags
I thought this was the undiscovered Fifth Horseman. Ignorance.
InboxMeYourMaineCoons
If you don't want to be talked to like you're stupid, try not being stupid.
ArdentSlacker
I hate that I have to fight against my brain to not die, quite regularly... but these idjits who the world would be better off losing, don't
TheFearlessGoat
It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person. ~ Bill Murray
ChaotikWolfi
good ol' Billiam
tomatoboy
I’ve seen them in the wild. Our neighbors have two autistic sons. They bought into the anti-vax nonsense and didn’t vaccinate their...
tomatoboy
...daughter, who does not have autism. They hold her up as proof vaccines cause autism.
JolietJakester
https://tenor.com/view/the-lion-king-simba-nala-tell-me-its-not-true-untrue-gif-5150830
BishlamekGurpgork
You can't reason with people who will accept validation of a risk to their child's lives that easily.
TypicalGayMan
Hopefully she doesn’t die... the diseases you can catch are much worse than autism
2020Gamer
My marketing brain just says we relabel them from vaccines to something else. Just invent a new title, promote it as "safe" and be done.
Hoyboy76
Organic subdermal infusions of essential bio-essences? Perhaps some pastel dies? Injected near some chakra point?
catrov
It worked with changing "Nuclear Magnetic Resonance" to "Magnetic Resonance Imaging"
pineapplesuprise
I both agree and disagree. I agree it would probably work. I disagree because then, in a way, the idiots win. We shouldn't have to change.
2020Gamer
Oh yeah that's fair, but less people dying is less people dying.
mudgula
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by...” 1/2
mudgula
“...the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” -Isaac Asimov
theGrantimus
Anti-intellectualism is a plague across the political spectrum. People now believe their opinions hold the same weight as scientific facts.
Undrave
The belief that "My ignorance has the same value has your knowledge" ><
kspice
votfgz
Scientist here, we don't believe in scientific facts. Just statements that weren't shown to be wrong yet.
theGrantimus
Of course, I was making a point.
blargnok
As someone not vaccinated (auto immune disorder, not choice!) I'm a bit worried about people not getting vaccines. I need my human shields!!
mydarlingvega
I too am not vaxxed, (auto immune as well) and I personally know people who don't vax. It's terrifying.
iwillmessagerandompeoplegifs
I’m allergic to a vaccine and this legit scares me. I need other people to protect me.
LizardEnterprises
JackalopeElope
Operation "Human Shield" my ass!
TheHumanCentipanzer
I'd like to just point out your username sounds like some sort of knock off brand norse god.
blargnok
its a botched fallout reference that I've just rolled with after the novelty wore off of fallout 4.
TheHumanCentipanzer
https://imgur.com/aK15MxY i feel ya
commentfarmer483725596037
how can people leave all those notifications on the top of their screen. so cluttered.
Devante
I hate how apps will leave a notification icon for each one. Just show one Instagram icon no matter how many new messages I get!
1stw0rldissues
Atleast half of those are just from saving this conversation though, rest maybe happened during and the person didn't check instantly?
Jordinatinglybeautiful
You have spoken more truth in that statement than I have heard in my entire life.
Rossross
Asking the real questions! +1 to you :)
Bellamortis
Lol I totally do that
schneir52000
My friend gives me a hard time about that. It doesn't bother me at all.
LeadByBadExample
I do that because I'll be looking through them later on. Sometimes I'm too busy to keep a clean notification tray.
bobscollegenohitter
If she wasn't vaccinated in the first place, she probably wouldn't have gotten this far anyway
Hoaxme70
no, it is possible everyone else was vaccinated and kept the virus away from them. They are a potential carrier tho.
IWishAussieAnimalsWereMoreCuddly
Ironic
Placentaur
Why are we assuming it's a woman?
Almostcats
50/50/50/50 chance I believe.
TheOtherBrotherOfTheMotherOfDragons
thats a very low chance
Corrodias
this is the most compelling argument *against* vaccines I've heard yet
bobscollegenohitter
How do you figure, sports fan?
Corrodias
It was a joke about seeing the "red censor blob" person being dead as an improvement.
bobscollegenohitter
Ah. I see. Carry on.
digitreal
Unless you are an expert in that specific field, I don't think you can cite your 'belief' as facts. Even then, I wouldn't recommend it.
GrumpySealy
"A mother knows what's best for her child" seems to be the usual claim to 'expertise'.
Frogapus
Even I'm those fields, you're generally expected to validate your claims with sources.
Applepotamus
source: the bible
Snooj
She's being very straight forward that what she's expressing is a belief not rooted in fact. Good for her, I say.
GerbilHereReportingLiveFromRichardGeresAss
Yeah you at least gotta give her that. I've known anti-vaxxers didn't do that and acted like alternative medicine 'scientists' for some cred
DoubleNubbin
Yes...except for the "you have your opinion, I have mine" thing. She's equating a faith based opinion to one based on fact. Not cool.
Snooj
I can't argue with that.
derekjohn
Every known priest or theologian in every religion that has ever existed has only ever had 'belief' to back them up. Don't ever expect logic
jmulderr
Yeah, I think Thomas Aquinas might say there was a little more than just faith going on there...
derekjohn
Why should I believe Thomas Aquinas ? He believed in a God with no evidence.
jmulderr
Because you said a theologian wouldn't use logic, and he spends many many pages doing just that. Evidence to the contrary.
derekjohn
Yes, but if logic leads you to a false conclusion, then the logic is flawed.There is no objective or empirical evidence of a god's existence
jmulderr
Jesus man, being an expert in a field doesn't make your opinion a fact. You think we do the research part for shits and giggles?
RandomActOfConfusion
What if you're an expert in art? I don't see much to quantitatively assess.
jmulderr
That's right, qualitative understanding is important there.
BishlamekGurpgork
Wait, you don't?
snowflake101
O com on, sure we do. Somethimes. Ok like almost never, but still. Now and then...
morelikeconsham
I mean, we do develop overarching theories based on data. Even before the theory officially becomes fact, if the theory/professional is
morelikeconsham
Is substantial enough, we will treat the theory as fact for the time being.
jmulderr
I'm assuming you're not using 'fact' in the scientific sense here?
Macewindow54
I mean. That’s why I do it. (Please help I’m so depressed and constipated)
ocegur
Drink water, eat fruits and vegetables. Coffee may help too but it's not the solution. Also pull out anything you've put up your ass.
Ferlin7
I'll need a source on that. Or is it just an "expert opinion"?
ocegur
If you're an expert in a field, your opinion generally comes from facts, it's not = truth, but it's more trustworthy than from a non expert.
Ooidal
Critical thought works both ways. Expertise is one step away from opinion/belief and shouldn't be treated any less critically.
ocegur
Sure
TwistedTelepath
Most still base it in some form of logic, too. It's not normally blind faith. Then again, experts in fields are capable of complex thought.
GeneralGinger531
The difficult part is distinguishing fake experts from real ones. It is not as easy as it may seem
MaplePhoenix
You cannot argue with this level of idiocy...you can only legislate against it for the good of the population. No shots? No School.
ArtSmarse
It should be "Don't vaccinate? Get charged with child neglect and your kids get vaccinated anyway."
DocCinnanym
I disagree. I think attempting to legislate this kind of stupidity will only hurt people who are rational.
CptRobotNinja
Well if you want the benefit of public programs you should have to conform to public basic health and safety requirments.
WhoScalesTheScale
In Australia no shots = no government assistance
pareidoliaperson
Won't work. We know how hard they yell at you, so crossing a crazy person. What would work is that government should completely stop vaxxing
pareidoliaperson
...that'll confuse them!
youremyboyblue123
I literally was about to say the same thing. Couldn’t even read the whole thing. How are people so fucking stupid?
36roentgen
you can make sure everyone else knows not to listen to a word they say. 2
RogenaValorina
Never argue with an idiot ... they drag you down to their level then beat you with experience
JamesRoy
This is what it’s like talking to my family about literally anything.
naaninn
That sounds so exhausting.
WingedGopher
Like this? https://imgur.com/WDcx6zY
TaggerXA
Fucking loved that show btw. "Ugly Americans"for those wondering. Funny stuff
humaneffigy
This is one of those actual hard pills to swallow about democracy... sometimes the people are just wrong.
SecondSince
A democracy doesn't mean total and absolute freedom. The state can, will and should demand and enforce certain things. This is one of them.
36roentgen
Since this is on fb, publicly humiliate them, make it obvious how dumb they are for believing this crap. You can't change their mind but 1
calcifear
Unfortunately, that only punishes the kid not the stupid parent. And perpetuates the problem due to lack of education. It's a tough problem
SwaghettiYologneseWithMemeballs
There is a vaccination against stupidity, actually. It's a syringe full of air.
zebracakes210
Very clever, I like it
KittenVonCatsworth
My mother is like this. I've given her objective, verifiable data refuting her beliefs and she says her beliefs aren't based on data. (1/2)
MaplePhoenix
Yup, some things have to be forced on people
KittenVonCatsworth
And this isn't religion or something, we're talking about shit where "I just feel like I'm right" is not a valid fucking argument.
ChaotikWolfi
Have you attempted replying with something equally stupid to hammer it home? "Well I believe I should be paid 4mil$ a year for doing 1/
ChaotikWolfi
Absolutely nothing, how about that, Karen" 2/2
GnomeDeGuerre
Why should children be forced to take the risk?
Rapiecage
what risk?
GnomeDeGuerre
"No shot, no school" = the kid not getting a shot, that risk. Better laws could be made.
obviouslyrob
Eliminate the risk. Universal medicare would do the trick.
Rapiecage
the parents are already risking the kids's life. What better law? No shot, no life?
GnomeDeGuerre
No shot = You are willingly exposing your child to hazardous environments and you aren't correcting that when made aware of it. "Yoink!".
DarkSock
That’s how it is done here in Mississippi; if you don’t show up with proof of vaccination your ass gets homeschooled
Koshunae
It was the same here in Georgia. I had to show records to every school except college.
DarkSock
If Mississippi can do it so can the other 49 states
optimistcynic
Going to be honest. If you had asked me which state got rid of a religious exemption for vaccines, MI would not have been in my top 5. +1
DarkSock
We are also the sole deep South State where weed’s decriminalized; surprising. Next-door in New Orleans they’ll bust ur ass hard for a joint
VampyroteuthisInfernalis
Same in NC! We had to have them for college too
AnonOmis1000
"If my kid can't bring peanut butter to school, yours shouldn't be able to bring preventable diseases"
justarandombloke
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/8iirl4/what_would_you_do_for_a_reeses_peanut_butter_cup/?utm_source=reddit-android
DemonicCarnage
"Maybe your kid should be vaccinated against my kids peanut butter"
Woolytop
*wonders if there's vaccination against allergies*
Musoukadake
Rekt
AnonOmis1000
PowwerOrb13
As someone with the an allergy to peanuts, gladly. I'd love to not worry about what I'm eating and the conditions it was prepared in.
Mooninites
God that sucks sorry.
PowwerOrb13
I hate peanuts anyways, the smell is nauseating (not caused by allergies). Fudges can be annoying though as they taste similar in my mind 1/
PowwerOrb13
Sadly allergy vaccines aren't a thing
ChaotikWolfi
YET! come on, science, get on it!
SFKz
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321467.php
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tanebou
It's more than that. She seems educated enough, she's just willfully ignoring that education because of a paranoid distrust.
Jarjarthejedi
Being uneducated and certain that you are correct is the definition of dumb. If you can't accept the possibility of being wrong, you're dumb
calcifear
Refusing to accept evidence and education puts you from "uneducated" into "dumb"
Rapiecage
she's clearly very dumb, and ignorant only by choice
MaplePhoenix
If you refuse to accept overwhelming factual information, you are dumb, not "uneducated"
TheGhostofLionelHutz
This idea that total ignorance is somehow justified because the person delivering facts is just too mean, is too stupid to merit a response
Troyificus
I'd say this is more willfully uneducated. The person specifically said that they were sure that there was evidence to debunk them 1/2
Rapiecage
"I know I'm wrong, but I wanna be right!"
Troyificus
but they just didn't want hear it. I can't get my head around people like that. 2/2
Razziz
Mental gymnastics: "Your facts make me uncomfortable, making me uncomfortable is rude, being rude is wrong. Therefore your facts are wrong."
Razziz
It's fucking stupid, but that's what goes on in their heads. There's no reasoning with them, because they refuse to rethink their stance.
NotQuiteDeadYetPool
I wish it could go further than that. No shots= No public anything (schools, hospitals, parks, etc)
RogueMachinae
Go a little further and jail time for parents as well as not longer legal guardians.
MaplePhoenix
Yeah, me too...I actually ran out of characters, otherwise I would have listed more
alecdshope
I've seen "no shirt, no shoes, no service." "No vaccines, no service" should be a thing. I wouldn't want your polio-spreading ass in my bar.
thisisagoldfish
Yeah then you could make them wear armbands a.....wait
SecondSince
Also no child support, no health insurance, etc.
Madethisusernameforonereason
And we should make sure it's easy for our good citizens to identify the dangerous miscreants.
bunduz
Australia has no government benefits if you arent vaccinated.
ChaotikWolfi
I knew Australia was reasonable!
AVaguelyInconspicuousMutt
The problem is that the kids are then doubly screwed it there parents decide not vax them, as they have no experience with society at large.
alecdshope
Parents have plenty of ways to screw over their children. This would just be another one.
NotQuiteDeadYetPool
That's the rub. You want your family to be part of society? Then do the minimum things that society requires you to do.
intashu
Seems simple enough, to use public services please at least do the bare minimum. :/
humanhotplate
What about the kids who legitimately can't get vaccinated though, so they have to stay in quarantine?
minipancho94
as others stated, they're exempt and depending on the condition there may be periods where they can safely get them.
Aelcalan
Everyone I've heard on the provax side considers the people who can't be vaccinated an obvious exception, and usually a reason to require /2
Aelcalan
the people who CAN be vaxxed to be vaxxed.
calcifear
Medical exemptions are fine. Herd immunity protects them. No other exemptions
NotQuiteDeadYetPool
Exactly this^ @bencow24. Herd immunity protects those where a DOCTOR said they can't be vaccinated. But if you toss in one unvaccinated →
NotQuiteDeadYetPool
kid who CAN be vaccinated, but isn't, it compromises the whole system.
BishlamekGurpgork
So, kids raised antivax are raised in ignorance, to perpetuate a belief they were never educated to reject?
MaplePhoenix
They already are...it forces then to act or be excluded from everything...parents and children
BishlamekGurpgork
They already are, and without education, will continue to be, and will raise more children the same way. If they don't vaccinate anyway,
elShiz
If education was all that was needed, there wouldn't be as many anti-vaxxers. You can't do anything about the legitimately stupid.
BishlamekGurpgork
The child is too young to be written off as a list cause. Denying them schooling doesn't have anything to do with their parents' ignorance
elShiz
Did you not read the OP's messages? The person had zero sources & simply chooses to believe what they make up. Edu & reason be damned
BishlamekGurpgork
The child is too young to be written off as a lost cause. Denying them schooling doesn't have anything to do with their parents' ignorance
BishlamekGurpgork
then this measure perpetuates the problem instead of solving it.
Teases
What would be a good way to solve it?
MaplePhoenix
At the risk of the rest of the population? Make it illegal and enforce it.
Bellamortis
A little ignorance is better than a kid with an autoimmune disease catching polio because a kid didn't get vaccinated and went to school
BishlamekGurpgork
The problem is, if an anti-vaxxer's child isn't educated, they grow up almost guaranteed to be an anti-vaxxer, and raise more antiv-vaxxers.
minipancho94
not for long they dont. they'll clump together and sooner or later someone is gonna die or have a change of heart.
BishlamekGurpgork
Someone dying of a preventable disease doesn't invalidate their beliefs, though, and one person changing their mind doesn't turn the group.
dthninja2
*if they grow up
BishlamekGurpgork
Well, yes, but hoping for them to die is also not a good solution.