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willek
Modern grain has 10 times more gluten than grain 200 years go thanks to efficient selective breeding.
blueriverbabe
Nice dick pic
HillaryClintonsITGuy
I only eat food with at least 7 glutens in it.
lawideas
So not just a large number, but the "large number of the high number" of off-topic and soapboxing/argumentative posts.
stomalomalus
It's also to do with the genetic makeup of wheat. Years ago, wheat was different. It's why Durum wheat has a lesser effect: more chromosomes
localdisturbance
I didn't know wheat could have down syndrome
Zplaxian
Why tf did this get this shit? I was trying to shit post something to reddit and couldn't figure out how to get the imgur link from the...
Zplaxian
app. WTF imgur?
TCGView
"They all died!" But after 5000 years of people with that gene mutation dying, how the hell are they still around? And so many!
chase7436
Because it's not necessarily from a gene mutation...
Mdhe
If I remember correctly, celiac disease can lie dormant until well past the age of reproduction. It's also not usually fatal right away.
eldorel
Because you usually don't die from the gastrointestinal issues until you're in your 30's or 40's.
DeusExSpockina
Intolerance doesn't kill you, it just makes you miserable. That never stopped anyone from breeding.
DisgruntledFerret
Because celiac disease doesn't actually kill you, and if you have kids before you die you're still beating natural selection.
redjay12
It causes intestinal damage to the extent it no longer functions an de you starve, or it causes cancer and internal bleeding.
ottotravel
Grains are just not what they used to be most specifically the #1, wheat. Lots of material out there on how this has changed nutritionally.
shorticia
It's on Netflix right now. Eye opener.
skelitor120
I love the way this works "HOW ARE MEDICAL PROBLEMS JUST ARISING? IT COULDNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR GROWING UNDERSTANDING OF MEDICINE"
snarflex
Except the gluten thing has nothing to do with medicine. Ask non-celiacs why they avoid it and they typically can't explain it.
alsoAzrael
Well, don't forget, some people actually do have celiac. So it's not entirely made up.
Uzernaime
Because glyphosate and engineering a resistant seed to accommodate it has now become the norm.
Thornaxe
There are no glyphosate resistant crops that have gluten in them. Your ignorance is leaking out.
Uzernaime
What the hell are you talking about? Wheat has no gluten?
Thornaxe
No. There are no gluten containing crops that have been engineered to be glyphosate tolerant.
Uzernaime
Wow, interesting.
Baddog7120
They probably just died, like on Oregon trail
aselleus
By not caulking the wagon?
bugeyetex
Flyndaran
I and my half brother were born lactose intolerant. Doubt we'd have survived before soy based formula.
RocketPapaya413
Unless you're referring to some other condition, all babies are lactose tolerant. Almost all adults are not.
LV1BlueSlime
If dysentry didn't get you it was the gluten.
helpidontknowmyname
This may be my favorite comment ever.
Vaanhalen
degenerator
Glutentery.
Sylviastout
Or the snake
Easystin
Or literally everything made by nature
tenaciousjeebs
People always overlook rice cultures. And seal blood cultures.
brookemonster
Vaanhalen
jsmithy2334
Partly the commercialized way we produce bread now. The flour and yeast is very different than what's been used in the past
CecinaDream1322
Up vote dick blurs!
honeybadger16
I JUST WANTED YOU TO LET ME INNN
adaquo
phew. was waiting anxiously for this
TheLimpinBiscuit
And instead of using force,
WeFoundSomethingBeneathTheIce
I can't believe I had to scroll so far down for a wrecking ball.
ScopesMouthwashTrial
large number of the high number...so is that like saying 7 QUINTILLION....but in size 470 font?
betterave
Came here to comment about that, but your comment takes the cake.
ocelot77
Same
alsoAzrael
...but I wanted some cake...
SethG
GMO wheat isn't the same as what we used to eat, causing broader digestive issues than previously
TimJDrake
Don't they get you when you take the hat off?
Darkspire
That's why he hasn't replied.
hanabakemono
I wanna know this, too. I have a fucking allergy to wheat. WHEAT. I fucking miss pizza!!
chase7436
Allergies aren't genetic. I don't think it's really known why the develop. But some things, like exposure to latex while working in a(1)
chase7436
(2)hospital, can cause allergies to develop. Happened to my sister with kiwi and pineapple.
noyougofuckyourself
Dude, donuts. And real cake. Ugh, I hate it so much. But it's better than shitting my pants.
dragonadamant
Hey! I was wondering if this could help, so you could enjoy pizza again? https://www.buzzfeed.com/deenashanker/gluten-free-pizza-is-a-right
hanabakemono
Oh my God... I think you saved my life. The Italian side of my family won't be ashamed anymore. Thank you!!
dragonadamant
Wonderful--I'm so happy, and I hope that will help! (A dear friend of mine has a dairy allergy, so I'm familiar with finding recipes.)
Kenman87
We don't have a lot of people suffering from it. Around 1% of the population has celiacs. Not sure why so many people claim to have it.
DisgruntledFerret
1% is a LOT though, if that's the actual number. 1 out of every 100 people in an entire population. A million people isn't even close to 1%.
ilovemyboobs
1% is more than you might realize, and that is only people who can afford to go to a DR to get properly diagnosed.
flamingflamingo
After it became a food trend, people started giving up gluten and felt better. Not from the lack of gluten, but because these foods had 1/2
flamingflamingo
contained other things that irritated their stomach, like sugars, carbohydrates, and additives already known to irritate stomachs. 2/2
radjuret
yes, exactly. FODMAPs are typically high in glutenous foods and are implicated in IBS/IBD. and at the end of the day, who cares if (1/2)
radjuret
some people want to eat gluten-free food for no reason? like it's a bad thing to diversify the foodstuffs in our diet... (2/2)
flamingflamingo
I only care because it leads to misinformation.
SpartanBurke
Unless you have Celiac or possibly Crohns, there is really no need to avoid it
NotIrony
Like, go fuck youself. Your response to when someone says they have celiacs should be "Okay...[next topic of connversation]"
NotIrony
There is no need to suck off transexuals behind a hardware store either and I wouldn't consider that healthy but people still do it. Move on
Daemoneyes
The traditional ways to create bread takes a lot longer but results in bread that has way less impact on gluten intolerant persons. But most
aalcoholism
Plus, companies use Bromine in their bread production rather than Iodine. Less expensive.
Daemoneyes
bread you can buy nowadays is produced with additives that reduce the production cycle but alas end up with more gluten. So mostly its not
Daemoneyes
that we would have more gluten intolerant today, they just encounter symptoms of their intolerance more often because of the change in diet.
Daemoneyes
Add to that the fact that 50 years ago barely anyone would have gone to a doctor just because of gluten intolerance symptoms and you end up
Daemoneyes
with a seemingly increased number of patients.
alsoAzrael
The issue with this claim is that most gluten-intolerant people are probably not actually gluten-intolerant. There have been studies.
PlZZATHEHUTT
That's far too logical for most on here to understand.
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
Minus celiac, our instant yeast doesn't break down the gluten to be easy to digest like natural yeast does. Not to mention US flour is
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
Bleached and bromated. My husband has sensitivity to US flour but none from Italian imported flour.
filthymansock
The three white sisters will get you every time-white flour, sugar and salt!
otapioka
We also use a shitton more pesticides than anyone else. It's also been theorized that pesticides are the culprit, not gluten.
Irish1228
How much is Italian imported flour? Sounds spendy....
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
$4-5 for 2.2lbs. That's about 8 cups flour. Considering all gluten free things are $5+ and chewy ricey and small, worth to me. I made-
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
Tortillas, breaded chicken, pizza dough, bread, etc. all with that great texture.
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
For this flour I make a sourdough starter for the yeast part. Instant rise yeast he reacts badly to.
Irish1228
Wow. That's not bad at all!
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0064R7FLA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00UVSDG4I/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_dp_T1_osfmzb22DNZWR
lokishadowgirl
It's not an allergy, exactly, it's an autoimmune response triggered by gluten. there seems to have been an increase in autoimmune disorders
lokishadowgirl
over the past couple of decades.
chase7436
Although, there could be allergies as well, because allergies can basically develop for anything that an antibody can be made for.
lokishadowgirl
an allergic reaction is very specific and characterized by things as mild as rashes and hives to severe reactions like anaphylaxis. any
lokishadowgirl
other reactions aren't categorized as allergies.
lokishadowgirl
source: my heath professional mother, who explained why my inability to digest fish is not an allergy but more like an intolerance
chase7436
Right,exactly. So someone could have an allergy to gluten, just like peanuts or eggs or milk,but it would look very different than Celiac's.
KiltedinSeattle
Far too many claim a gluten allergy these days to be fashionable, hip & special. For those with a real issue this must really suck.
NotIrony
No it actually doesn't suck, only dumbasses who need to complain about other people's complaints because they have nothing else to do, care.
FloofyFace
Can confirm, it does suck
NotIrony
Why? So you can have food options when you go out to eat or have all your packaging labeled properly so you don't fucking OD? Lol....
Fargus57
PlZZATHEHUTT
Trendy diseases are nothing new. Now it's anxiety. 5 years ago it was gluten, 5 years before that it was Asperger. 5 years before, autism
Fargus57
And peanut allergies. My generation lived on PB&J sandwiches. Probably 90% of us would be dead if it were as prevalent as claims make it.
NotIrony
100% of all people who eat Pb&J's have or will die. It's POISONING YOU!! RUN AWAY!!
LordNoodles
You forgot ADHD
snarflex
It's great for people with celiac! Way more options. The only part that sucks is having to explain to people you have a real condition. :-/
NotIrony
Which you'd never have to do if you actually ever went anywhere that involved talking to real people out in the real world.
ILInfiltrator
I don't mind. More options for me!
doglad
No way, it's soooo easy to find gluten and dairy free things now! And I don't have to pay an arm and a leg for it.
davidsarif
It doesn't suck having a lot more restaurants and shops provide gluten free stuff because the hipsters made it cool. I'm glad!
LordNoodles
Isn't it like $5 more no matter what?
KiltedinSeattle
Fair point.
Mymumsaysno
It does suck when they take cross contamination less seriously because they think you're being a trendy douche.
KiltedinSeattle
The restaurant at the hotel I work at takes it very seriously.
davidsarif
That's kind of on restaurants to stop treating customers as an inconvenience
nanyatenyaa
I have a couple friends who are celiac. A lot of places claim to gotten free but cross contaminate, it makes sushi a popular option.
davidsarif
Yeah not everyone gets it right :/
frostedthunder
Yup. My father is celiac & refuses to go to restaurants for this reason.
nanyatenyaa
Unfortunately you then need to find a place that uses gluten free soy sauce in food prep... It's hard finding places to eat out.
nanyatenyaa
Vegan or vegetarian focused places can be a good option toox otherwise we usually just do sushi since there's something for everyone.
KiltedinSeattle
I miss sushi. Immunosuppressants after a heart transplant means no raw fish for me. Enjoy some on my behalf!!
nanyatenyaa
Sushi is a good dining out option because most places prepare hot food, non seafood items and vegetarian items.
nanyatenyaa
I don't eat sushi myself but it's a place everyone can go.
NotIrony
I don't understand this logic. You just say "cool" and conversation over. You dread and lament shit that doesn't matter or affect you. I...
NotIrony
...would pity people who think like that but I just know you're all bored out your minds and have literally nothing else to complain about.
bumblefffffuuuu
You ain't kidding, buddy. Worked in a noodle restaurant, first couple years nothing big, then all of a sudden around 2010 (1/2)
bumblefffffuuuu
everyone just magically developed "gluten intolerance" problems. Fucking fad diet trendy bullshit, all of them can go to hell. (2/2)
davidsarif
Wahhh I need to serve my customers what they want to buy
NotIrony
You are a dumb person. They want "healthier" food, if you don't have the option you have the option to not serve them. Or wait... you didn't
NotIrony
because this almost never happened, and you had no say anyway because you're a server who got paid to smile and agree, so stfu you idiot.
bumblefffffuuuu
Cook, not server. Required us using a different pan to cook the noodles, which we had to take to the back and wash every use rather than
ShamnusMcfee
It's not like you just fucking die if you eat a slice of bread lol
NotIrony
Why don't you just go force a shit load of alcohol into an alcoholic because you think their "condition is just made up". Fuck yourself kid
redjay12
Soy sauce made me bleed out my ass- it causes internal bleeding, cancer, intestinal damage where they can no longer function and you starve
mckenna310
Celiac disease can cause cancer and malabsorption so yeah you could die. Not one slice but even small amounts over time.
NotIrony
You are so bored that you actually think you are capable of medical diagnosis because you watched a YouTube video. I would donate my time
NotIrony
to phone you idiots and teach free seminars on how to not be such a revolting cunt and think critically and long-term, it might take a while
LifeHasManyDoorsEddBoy
No but if a celiac wants too many slices they won't be able to absorb nutrients and will die, eventually.
idrinkcoffeeaftermidnight
Everybody dies eventually.
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
Some faster than others.
idrinkcoffeeaftermidnight
Better to die fast than slow. Also better later than sooner.
narrowlight
Sourdough. It's the oldest form of leavened bread and the souring process breaks down the gluten to a digestible form. Mass production in...
HolyHolopov
I was under the impression that it was the carbohydrates they broke down (what you have to avoid with IBS), not gluten?
narrowlight
...the bread making process has caused the relatively recent (decades) transition from sourdough breads consumed by our ancestors.
narrowlight
Many (most?) people with gluten intolerance can eat sourdough bread.
mckenna310
Woah really? I dislike sourdough but haven't been able to eat bread in like 3 years. It'd be amazing to eat again.
narrowlight
My wife makes sourdough 4–5 times a week for our family. My dad avoids all bread, except for her sourdough, which he can handle just fine.
redjay12
WAIT WHAT. I've got celiacs and want sourdough more than anything, even donuts! The SMELL. Can I eat it?
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Hepwolfx
If anything once contained gluten there is a good chance that it still does. There is always ipecac if you get too curious
redjay12
lol sometimes I think about going to town on some Krispy Kreme's then just purging but that's an eating disorder so I should probs not
narrowlight
I don't have personal experience with celiacs and I'm not an expert, so I'll just encourage you to research the subject. Lot's of opinions.
narrowlight
I do know that the key is true soured dough. Store bought sourdough is likely prepared too fast or improperly for the fermentation to work.
sinisterandroid
Celiacs, probably no :(. They're talking about gluten intolerance, which *may* not even exist?
narrowlight
I did a quick search and the first google result was indicating potential for celiacs, assuming thorough process/quality control. I don't...
narrowlight
Have celiacs so I'll just post the first link and encourage further research. Link next:
redjay12
Thank you! I appreciate you
narrowlight
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/mar/23/sourdough-bread-gluten-intolerance-food-health-celiac-disease
SocialistWithTheMostalist
Well that's the point, a lot of them didn't survive / had ongoing health problems, and it's only now that we've been able to diagnose them.
DigitalMasacrer
You... are special... Bread almost didn't have anything to do wit their deaths.
andrewtater
That, and selective breeding made certain proteins stronger in the past century...
aleister94
Same with autism, there aren't more people with autism it's just we used to call it "being peculiar" and just ignored anyone who had it
Cruxador
To be honest I'm not sure that way wasn't better, for mild-moderate cases. Putting someone in a box and saying they need help can isolate.
pixarpizza
100% with this. I have always felt more isolated than I did before the diagnosis by KK....
icelandicsealbear
It's like asking if peanut allergies are real. Of course they are.
sprinckletitties
The answer is that there are a lot of new strains of wheat. GMOs aren't harmful generally, but these specifically are harder to digest.
Thornaxe
There is no commercially available GMO wheat.
sprinckletitties
That's my bad. The increase has been driven by new strains of wheat, however.
pixarpizza
He's right, though. Non-GMO selective breeding. Just for certain traits: drought tolerance, extra yield...
sprinckletitties
I didn't know I was getting hate for it. I know several doctors and several people with gluten intolerance. It isn't the gene spreading
doglad
Yea. I just learned I've got celiac's and I'm like Wow so people aren't this gassy normally? People don't shit their brains out this often?
pixarpizza
Wait, those are common symptoms? D: I always assumed it was my uber fast metabolism...
Velexis
Got diagnosed a couple years ago, and I can tell you.. Surprisingly no. And the constant stomach ache isn't universal either.
whereareyoubear
Me too! I have the foggy head thing. I thought I had blood sugar issues because I always felt really weird after eating lots of carbs.
Zantsubou
I got the foggy head too, my face also goes red and dry, suffered for about 10 years assuming it was just bad luck
PleatherChaps
So we are breeding the weak and spreading their poor genes. Smart job.
RocketRodster
What if a guy with Celiac's invents a fusion reactor? Minor genetic flaws are irrelevant.
SocialistWithTheMostalist
Genetics is complicated. Gluten intolerance genes may provide solutions to problems we don't have yet. A diverse gene-pool is important.
unappropriatedPITYlaughs
Boo! Burn the gluten sympathizer!
erischilde
Such as potentially pushing back against weird things in foods. Gluten in bread? Cool. In rice Krispies? Not so much.
PleatherChaps
Sure and the problem could be "how can we shit on our species long term survival chance?"
erischilde
You know eugenics have been debunked. Should worry more about stupid people breeding. They risk children like you :/
SocialistWithTheMostalist
Which we could be doing by eliminating genes for lifestyle reasons. Gene and disease interactions are super complicated.
eeyrjmr
They are weak, we should not tolerate their weak genes perpetuating
MuchObligedMcNutty
WE SHOULD PURGE THE GENEPOOL
RocketRodster
Many geniuses had genetic diseases. The human capacity for growth surpasses genetics
MuchObligedMcNutty
To be sure nobody thinks I'm Hitler, I don't actually think we should purge anything.
RocketRodster
Many geniuses had genetic diseases. The human capacity for growth surpasses genetics.
SpoonTheGreater
No YOUgenics!!
AustinAlex
That's one of the best jokes I've ever goddamn read. Holy shit.
Nate659
Right, like depression, anxiety, and ADHD. Or whatever mental disorder creates a proclivity for making braindead imgur comments like yours.
Theodrian
A sense of humor, you might contract it at some point. Beware.
SocialistWithTheMostalist
Genetics don't work like that. We need a diverse gene pool for the best chance to resist diseases and environmental changes.
flamingflamingo
Genetics DO work like that. Natural selection weeds out genes that impede survival, like celiac. Celiac doesn't help biodiversity at all.
doomladen
Residual eurasian neanderthal dna linked to reduced autoimmune response so there's a tradeoff between infection resistance and allergies.
jaehoony
It does work like that. Evolution doesn't try to keep diverse pool on purpose. It's simply survival of the fittest and the weak dies off.
MachineInterface
Evolution doesn't do *anything* on purpose, evolution is a process, not a goal. The drive of evolution is genes trying to make copies 1/
MachineInterface
of themselves. The genes that get better at it make more copies and ultimately prevail. But it really doesn't matter for the genre if a 2/
SocialistWithTheMostalist
Humans are now effectively removed from the environmental pressures of natural selection. We need as much biodiversity as we can get.
RocketRodster
Maybe, or maybe we as much low paid labor as possible to build yatchs and jets for the rich.
jaehoony
No, we don't. We don't NEED every possible biodiversity. Some genes are just shit genes.
IamAMON
True, but how is a gluten allergy in any way beneficial to the human race?
MachineInterface
Ashkenazi jews have the higher average IQ in the world. They also one of the highest rate of rare genetic disorder in the world. 1/
MachineInterface
Genetics is complex, involves a lot of trade-off and rarely selects individual specific traits independently of other traits. Usually 2/
GavinScreaming
It's not like it really matters. Just don't eat bread lol
MichaelAndersen88
It may not be. Sickle cell anemia is painful, but creates a resistance to malaria. Celiac might have no benefit or might have an unknown one
SocialistWithTheMostalist
We don't know if the genes will be or not, and the end effects can be mitigated through modern diets, so why get all eugenics up on it?
IamAMON
Because when used properly, it has potential. Unfortunately, it's always been abused historically. So there's that.
TheBestRussian
My theory, since it's highly prevalent in Europe, is that survivors of the bubonic plague were missing the gluten receptor the bug used
TheBestRussian
Or maybe the Black Plague. Either way, bug couldn't get into gut due to missing gluten receptor, person survived. Just a theory though.
Jarjarthejedi
For centuries we thought the appendix was useless, now we're finding it could be quite valuable. Lack of knowledge of use != lack of use.
dumbgaybatman
This is irrelevant
IamAMON
How is it usable?
funfactnate
Celiac disease, the auto-immune disease that prevents people from digesting gluten, was famously misunderstood till the 1950's. Basically
Nexus763
Also GMO that makes wheat stronger against weather also makes it stronger against to digest.
TGWeaver
Right, this is yet another case of people assuming "we didn't talk about it/understand it before, so it wasn't around until now".
Cruxador
Not to mention it's mostly common in people who come from countries where they ate potatoes mostly.
Bananas912
I'm celiac and half Irish. My grandmother on the irish side had symptoms too...It all make sense now!!!!
jridley
Celiac is horrible, I know someone with it and it can be debilitating. but it's 1/10000 that claim to have gluten allergies.
snarflex
Informative, but the gluten trend has nothing to do with celiac. Celiac incidence is much less than 1% of the population.
boIogna1
What a fun fact Nate!
ScullySkywalker
Until the 19th century, all bread was made as a “sourdough”, meaning that it was fermented with “wild” yeast and lactobacilli. Causing 1/2
ScullySkywalker
the gluten to be broke down in a way it was easier for the human body to digest. Watch episode 3 of Cooked on Netflix, it explains it. 2/2
shorticia
There's a show on Netflix about it. Very interesting. My 12yo son has Celiac's and I had no idea how involved until I had to deal with it.
wolfandlion
Whats the show called id be interested in watching
ScullySkywalker
It's called 'Cooked' and more specifically, episode 3.
shorticia
Cooked and what's with wheat
override367
about one in a hundred people have celiac disease
LordNoodles
Lsss than one percent of one percent.
LordNoodles
Eh my numbers were drawn from the 1:1750 low estimate number not the 1:105 high estimate number. Probably somewhere in between
DC1888
Its still often misdiagnosed as bowel problems too.
DC1888
Really ? Im being voted down for that? I happen to know people who were misdiagnosed for years.
jcdiris
Also, it's been known since the 1920's and there was a dr who used to prescribe the banana diet.
whereareyoubear
In the US, they thought the cure was bananas.
danishjuggler21
That's totally bananas.
whereareyoubear
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/05/24/529527564/doctors-once-thought-bananas-cured-celiac-disease-it-saved-kids-lives-at-a-cost
ZOMGNO
This is my fave frickin' article linked in the last few hours (earlier I saw one explaining the plagues) THANKS! I've shared with friends!!!
SmeesNotVeryGoodTwin
SCB: banana diet made them think their celiacs was cured so they went back to eating bread.
Glomgore
Way to source your comment bro. Two +1s.
whereareyoubear
I know you guys like the sauce.
chaospanda9
b-a-n-a-n-a-s
JustAnotherImgurHuman
https://media.giphy.com/media/q1VYLPcIVNzH2/giphy.gif
WowSoSparkly
EuroCakes
Also pesticides used before harvest remain in the wheat and kill gut bacteria. Thats why other countries ban their use.
karlbadmanners
No, no they don't ban pesticides. It's impossible to grow food in mass quantities without them.
karlbadmanners
Better regulations, yes.
Happinessfarmer72
The one person with at least a thought process. Thank you sir
Happinessfarmer72
Our ma'am
yugodoggo
This. Many people who have trouble eating wheat in the US can down a baguette in France and feel fine.
flightlessfruit
Fair enough, but that doesn't specifically have to do with the gluten. It would probably affect gluten-free crops as well.
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
I think their argument is that it affects gut bacteria, which are responsible for breaking down many substances in food. Anything that
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
affects your gut flora will have a huge impact on what you can digest.
flightlessfruit
In that case, I (totally a qualified nutritionist) prescribe garlic, bananas and yogurt to restore positive gut bacteria.
Antidote12
Stuff and nonsense. Pesticides are entirely essential to our society. And kill gut bacteria? Look at the LDL and how quickly that degrades.
azarza
Tell that to the honeybees, 11 years after the obvious
Antidote12
Yes that is very bad. It doesn't change that they are necessary. And it has nothing to do with gut bacteria. We will find new ones not stop
azarza
it does change if pesticides are necessary.. especially if we're all dead. You see, our needing pesticides to increase food yields is 1/2
EuroCakes
Yes they are. However with wheat they overspray right before harvest, this threatens the plant and tricks it into producing extra grain.
EuroCakes
This method is only used on a few types of crops and leaves very large amounts of pesticides on the grain
Antidote12
Ok, that isnt good, but pesticides aren't designed to kill gut bacteria, and I still think its silly to say that they cause celiac disease
AlmostScientist
yeh, they used to just die due to their allergies...now we prolong their lives and the disease has spread.
Nate659
A comment showing a considerable misunderstanding of "allergies," "disease," and genetics all at once. Remarkable!
alsoAzrael
Your username is on point, because there's almost nothing in this comment that makes any sense at all.
itisanimgurnaccount
I... think I see a solution.
LiterallyWorseThanHitler
Is it a... final solution?
flightlessfruit
Sigh. Is it eugenics?
AlmostScientist
Obviously we should genetically alter these individuals
itisanimgurnaccount
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo?
beerandme4eva
I think it has a lot more to do with Monsato changing the genetics of wheat than people in the 50's not knowing bread was making them sick.
whereareyoubear
Someone else said that the GMO wheat contains more of the gluten protein that causes allergies/intolerances, which I could definitely see.
nicholsml
one of the things modified in GMO wheat is LESS glutenin... not that you would change your mind on GMO's or anything.
whereareyoubear
What about gliadin? Because that's the protein that causes the reaction in celiac. I actually don't really care about GMOs because science.
nicholsml
I think you're a dumb ass because 1. you're making an unsubstantiated claim 2. the majority of wheat is modified to have less glutenin.
needshelp
Yes, and modern bread processing/baking does not give time for the gluten to break down naturally.
helpidontknowmyname
Watch out, feller, lotta Monsanto fans on Imgur. They refuse to consider big ag has a vested interest in making their product unique.
alsoAzrael
Or maybe we noticed some actual scientific studies and realized that GMO's don't actually pose any risks over non-GMO's.
helpidontknowmyname
Not all scientific papers and research findings are online. Just the ones $$ wants readily available for "research" by non-professionals.
helpidontknowmyname
GMO rice has lower levels of micronutrients that lead to neurological deficits in growing children. Study disappeared from the internet.
helpidontknowmyname
Downvoting people's comments doesn't make them false.
alsoAzrael
And accusing people of being big ag fans doesn't make them wrong or uninformed.
SherMattLockSmith
Celiac disease is one thing, but the number of people claiming to have "gluten allergies" is ridiculous.
owmyribs
It does have upsides - my brother is allergic to gluten. Now thanks to the gfree fad, every restaurant actually serves things he can eat.
Znayx
...There's no such thing as reacting to a type of gluten in the same way people react to whatever's in peanuts or fish or whatever?
Flyndaran
I hate how this fad has pushed out sugar free diabetic safe items. 2 damn items for me, but an entire aisle of gluten free stuff.
Duvn
Just about to say aswell, as someone with Celiac Disease since birth, this stupid thing gave us a lot of new products :D
NotIrony
Um, no its not. The people who care so much are the fucking problem, you probably don't even work in food management so stfu you dumb-nerd!
dasklaus
Hypothesis: People who try all kinds of "healthy" diets usually have IBS and don't want to talk about their intestines with you.
owmyribs
I have a friend like that. She tried at least 10 very strict diets which didn't work before she realised her real problem was IBS.
SherMattLockSmith
Half my family is on gluten free diets now, and trust me, they will discuss ANYTHING, whether I want to or not...
vanbarbee
Worked at "healthy" grocery stores. They only want to talk about their intestines with you...
skelitor120
I've given up on explaining that my diets arent "fads" nor are they disorders so I basically do that. "I can't eat this." "Why?" --
skelitor120
-- "because I will have the thickest, rock-hard shits in a few days."
TheyMayBeFakeButTheyreGrrrrreat
Allergy is bullshit. Intolerance maybe.. but no one is getting hives and dying of anaphylactic shock when eating wheat.
Radix865
Uh, they totally can. http://acaai.org/allergies/types/food-allergies/types-food-allergy/wheat-gluten-allergy
valaja
Most allergies are not that severe, but they're still allergies by definition.
ILInfiltrator
Exactly this. You may not go into anaphylactic shock, but try having a distended stomach for 3 days with stabbing pains in your abdomen
valaja
(Also: wheat allergy is real & potentially lethal. Gluten sensitivity isn't allergy by definition but it still causes physical damage)
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karlbadmanners
Apparently sarcasm is not on these intellectuals list of understandable reactions
SherMattLockSmith
Seasonal allergies are a thing though, and show a reaction with an allergen test. I would wager 99.9% of people who claim to have a 1/2
HalfmoonHex
I think this is a Joke comment.
SherMattLockSmith
IDC, sarcasm or not, people will take it seriously, so I like to take the piss out of it.
SherMattLockSmith
2/2 "gluten allergy" would not react to gluten on an allergen test.
flightlessfruit
But, different plants flower in different seasons and you can be allergic to a certain few plants' pollen. What is ridiculous about that?
HalfmoonHex
I think they're joking dude.
flightlessfruit
Possibly. I wouldn't know; I'm German.
ChaosandChaos
Bunch of childish hooha, that's hwhat. Damn lazy ass millennials, they prolly made up spring to get outta work, I tell you hwhat.
dasklaus
It's on the (long) list of things that might play a role in IBS, too, which a shitton of people have.
HolyHolopov
Yeah, but it's not the gluten, but certain carbohydrates that need to be avoided.
foxesonboxes
Heh. Shit ton.
dasklaus
I went without Gluten for months because I was trying the FODMAP diet, which cuts out about half of all foods from your diet. 1/2
dasklaus
There are not many things empirically proven to even have a chance of working for IBS. You try out everything in hopes of improvement.
funfactnate
It was really common in a Scandinavian fishing village, when the fishing season was at it's peak the whole village was much healthier, they
Clorith
Still very common in Scandinavia, and might stem from preservatives in flour ("old fashioned" flour without them is labeled as gluten-free)
nosoupforoldmen
Wheat has gluten whether there are preservatives in the flour or not. That's just false advertising.
JSid
Fascinating! I'd love a source if you have an article or something?
funfactnate
It's from a carl sagan documentary on genetics, I cant find it right now, it might be an old episode of cosmos
astrangehop
I heard another (accidental) study was people reporting better bowels during a bread famine in poland in WWII
funfactnate
thought it was cured by eating fish, but actually it was just when there was a lot of fish people weren't eating bread. Doctors for decades
VonKarnstein
"a lot of fish people weren't eating bread" got me confused for a moment.
Cere4l
gets all soggy when submerged you see
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
Please don't give the fish people bread, it causes them to gain unhealthy amounts of fat. Oats peas or corn are a healthier alternative.
NotACanadian
GiraffeicsInterchangeFormat
Yeah, kind of difficult to grow wheat as a mermaid.
funfactnate
were prescribing fish to people showing celiac symptoms, it wasnt tied to gluten till relatively recently. Not too relevant but neat I think
didriktheviking
That could probably explain one of our most common expressions: «Frisk som en fisk» meaning healthy as a fish.
twistplusfriends
Thanks Nate!
RearAdmiralFloyd
Historical info acquired.
Teksura
Thank you science side of imgur!
PartyOverImOut
Wow... that was awesome. Thanks (and I know my gratitude is sometimes taken as sarcasm, but this was genuine.) I like learning new things
birdspy
thanks nate!
funmaster524
Also some serious evidence its hereditary and dominant. Hence its exponential proliferation through the population.
EnTaroSheelal
As someone diagnosed with celiac disease:
cucumbersome
Doctors also prescribed Bananas for celiac as well.
GiraffeicsInterchangeFormat
Basically, just prescribe so many foods that they don't have time to eat bread.
ShootYourGooMyDude
The background is interesting, but the general message applies for other things too; we now diagnose it whereas we didn't before.
allleighcat
Neat!
Luvshyne
Ah, you indeed live up to your username. Thanks! :)
subtlerape
Thank you history side of Imgur. Y'all rock.
LookingLikeASnack
Holy shit I actually learned something interesting.
SeriouslyAwkward
No man. Alwayd fact check. Now I'm not sure if it's fact but don't take everything you read at face value. Don't become a anti vaxxer
TheBadShaman
Same with bananas! Kids would be prescribed at least 7 bananas a day to combat celiac
pokeballin
Hey thanks for the Fun Fact funfactnate.
MatissesPieces
This was a GRE essay topic.
BeetsBearsBattlestarGallactica
You have any links on this?
ionizdgrunt
I mean, Google would be a great place to start
funfactnate
the anecdote is from a carl sagan video on genetics, I did some searching but couldnt find it
shorticia
About Celiac's?
OddOod
Enjoy those 4,000 points :)
funfactnate
yea really though. idk how that happened
DaymanUHAHUHFighteroftheNightmanUHAHUHChampionoftheSunUHAHUH
I didn't know that about celiac disease. I'm more curious, and I think this is may be more pertinent to the OP, about gluten intolerance.
TheBestRussian
"Gluten intolerance" was reported in a published article; its author published another one recently saying data was misinterpreted and 1/2
DaymanUHAHUHFighteroftheNightmanUHAHUHChampionoftheSunUHAHUH
We're more familiar with lactose intolerance, but it wasn't until the last 10 years that I have been hearing about an intolerance to gluten
PleatherChaps
So it's Scandinavia's fault? Burn them!!!!!
Sheepyhead
Just try ya silly cunt
BecauseRonCadillacIsFrickinEpic
Taking on the Vikings, you got serious thrill issues dude...
IATTM
Time to lock the thread....
svampkorre
http://imgur.com/Eyffghi Like we give a fuuuuuuck - Scandinavia
Dusseldwarf
Don't you mean... Finnish them?
BeardedViking
Well then, I guess Leatherface3825 is tired of life. Poor guy. Such a shame.