Such a weird habit to whitewash former presidents. Biden, like most before him at least since Nixon was bad. Not Trump bad, but compared to Trump everybody is a saint.
I agree. He should've stepped out in January of 2024 and allowed a DNC primary. The fact that he didn't... was a real problem for Harris. But also, the people around him didn't push hard enough. Even Jill had suggested it to him, but she didn't push when he resisted.
Sadly, this was the NORM established in American politics. A lot of people just don't get that. The infrastructure and mindset was that Israel is America's closest ally and will be unconditionally supported. It's hard to break that. Old Biden just wasn't up for the task of doing that. BUT... we were getting there. A huge relief effort for Palestinians was an indicator. I think Harris would've put up much pressure as Israel kept obstructing those efforts.
Sorry but both Biden and Merrick failed miserably. Trump should have been arrested on Jan 20 2020 for inciting the insurrection. Virtually everyone involved in Jan 6 was tried and convicted and imprisoned except for the instigator. Biden should have brought the full force of the federal government to bring a traitor to justice. Merrick should have focused the DOJ on the insurrection interdependent of the the rest of the feds. their dereliction of duty lead directly to the current worldwide dis
Biden really screwed up on that one. Garland really fooled him into thinking he'd be a prudent Attorney General that would prioritize properly. And Biden failed again when he refused to step in. The whole "separation of powers" and the "presidential optics" thing... which Trump smashed to bits with a wrecking ball.
I'm sorry. I voted for the man myself, and for Kamala in 2024. But, "No Lying?" His campaign (and then Kamala's) repeatedly and loudly promised that--regardless of the outcome of the 2024 elections--no Presidential pardons would be given to Hunter Biden or anyone associated with him. That proved to be a giant, bold-faced lie, and the cherry that Biden invested the final several weeks of his Presidency working on. The man did not earn "No Lying."
Any time that I point that out, I will get downvoted to oblivion (yet nobody will step up to the plate and tell me what part of any of that is factually wrong, and I sincerely beg anyone to try to do so now). I suspect that will be the case this time. But, for those who understand that we can't really move forward unless we are willing to criticize those who we support, here's a much longer, more nuanced discussion on the topic by Legal Eagle on YouTube: https://youtu.be/m3y99Ph8rb0
I would say him trying to out-MTG on immigrant crime fearmongering at the SOTU counts as racist rhetoric. Also "stupid son of a bitch" was an insult, even if the stupid son of a bitch deserved it. Also also... you know... supporting the genocide in Gaza. Also also before he was POTUS he was hella racist and even penned one of the most racist crime bills in living memory (which even he owns up to). Y'all seem to think he was a saint because he was better than Trump.
Just quietly enabling and supporting massive genocide and letting the Trump cases languish under the GOP plant AG Garland who had to be pressured from within his department to actually do anything- and then it was too late....and the PR and messaging sucked...oh, and lets not forget the b.s no primary....and the fact his health was failing and he renegged not he "I am a one term President"- screw Biden- screw Trump...but we have Trump bc of Biden
well the post seems to be saying look at Biden- what a great guy...while he was perpetuating a pattern of f'd up b.s. This post is saying- "remember when we only had to eat a mud and slime sandwich, those were the good old days-!" because now we are eating eating a turd sandwich-...quite frankly, I would prefer a PBJ
"His job" was to keep the money flowing to the MIC and Israel, make sure nobody was talking about Medicare For All, deport more people than Donald Trump, allow all of the COVID-era social safety nets to come to an end, and he did that all with such decorum!
Trump is horrible and the worst president we have ever had...but Biden isn;t some sort of great leader either...his administrations incompetence and weakness set the stage fro Trumps comeback....and he did support genocide...and he did do a lot of lame stuff and mismanaged a lot of things...like you know- appointing Garland and then not firing him after one year when it was apparent he was a GOP plant.
Yeah but his policies on Gaza justified people staying home when Trump, who was always going to be objectively worse for everyone in the world, was the only viable alternative to Harris in a first past the post system! It is deeply important for people to “stand on principle” to satisfy their dopamine lust, when we knew Trump would kill far more people!
Yeah, as an independent you're the problem too! Obama let the banks go. Biden and his team knew he was lying to the citizens about his health. No Bullshit? The DNC engages in as much idolatry of your politicians as the GOP, you just don't see that because your perspectives are very Donkey-slanted.
I can find plenty of things to criticize Biden for, Israel and Gaza top of that list. But it sure was nice not hearing about stupid ass shit the president said EVERY. GODDAMN. DAY.
Biden was unfortunately anchored down in the many decades long position of providing unquestioning support to Israel. In the USA a very strong lobby emerged to help maintain that... and so when Israel kept encroaching on Palestinian land and undermining their position, the USA kept silent. And the price paid... is what happened in October of 2023.
But Trump wasn't going to do it any better. Only worse. How people could not see that...
Yeah, gotta say, now I hate the guy. He was a nice break from maga. Seeing how maga defends trump, I wish we/I criticized Biden harder. Another status quo president. I feel the same about Kamala, but obviously was the better choice vs trump/maga. Never again. No more Israel control over the US.
yeah, during Trumps first term, people globaly were astonished, how much there was to report about the US president on a daily basis. Then 4 years Biden, and things seemed mostly normal again, just press conferences and standart media coverage.
Yeah but biden wasnt planning on turining gaza into sullk & bones resort town. His and the dems stance on gaza is bad, but trump and reps are far worse
My problem is that people do the geralt thing, from the witcher, where rather than choose a lesser evil, they throw up their hands and just check out, and rather than make a shitty hard choice they have a tantrum and just let the choice make itself
It got supremely WORSE under Trump. Biden's administration at least had a huge humanitarian effort to help Palestinians. Trump cut that all off and gave a green light to Netanyahu. The genocide effort ramped up significantly.
Biden used his veto power to rush weapons to Israel faster, he did it twice. you are running defense for a genocidal scumbag. Shameful. “If Israel didn’t exist we would have to go out and invent an Israel”
The USA supported and funded Israel unconditionally as its closest ally since the mid 20th century. This well worn relationship was ironclad and the pro-Israel lobby in the USA saw to that. Biden's presidency wasn't going to break that straight off. There was a huge humanitarian effort made for the Palestinians. But when Trump took office, Netanyahu stepped up things dramatically. He knew fascist Trump would be pro-genocide of Palestinians.
You just wrote evil misinformation. Between 40.000 and 70.000 Palestinians were killed under Biden’s presidency, why would he break the alliance? /s There were literally zero efforts to protect Palestine, but the opposite: The USA blocked plenty of UN declarations against the genocide Israel is committing. They publicly sided them at the same time that they were killing thousands of children, destroying hospitals and civil infrastructures.
I brought it because it was missing here. Joe Biden’s administration supported and funded a genocide. Why would someone worship him with a list like that? Not a Palestinian.
Exactly. Democrat challenge: defend Joe “Child Murderer” Biden without mentioning Donald “Child Rapist” Trump. Difficulty level: impossible, they literally always bring up Trump because Biden is indefensible.
On the contrary, most of us actually do condemn him which is why we’re glad he stepped down. He was a decent leader but not a strong one. On the other hand maga republicans excuse anything trump does because they “love” him so much. He could shoot a family member in front of one of them and they’ll still love him.
I suspect he's one of those "Biden didn't do enough to stop genocide but Trump thinks genocide is awesome and wants to do 110% genocide and is therefore definitely worse" people.
tommyterpene
But how will we get our Armageddons!!!
lightfoot2
Oh but he wrekced.... I mean he..... BUT THE LAPTOP! WHAT ABOUT THE LAPTOP (/s for sad)
509tigerfish
Welliguessillgogetpants
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
“Hey America! Bet ya miss those complete sentences now eh?”
Sashoehead
Didn't do anything about ICE, didn't do anything about Israel, didn't do anything about Ukraine. Sniffed people's hair a lot for some reason
minionsandbananas
wrong dude
JohnSmithterms
No blocking billions to israel. Fuck biden too. Fuck all american politics. Except AOC, Bernie and katie porter.
Scahrossar
Such a weird habit to whitewash former presidents. Biden, like most before him at least since Nixon was bad. Not Trump bad, but compared to Trump everybody is a saint.
whooshy
Boring!!!!!! s/
iqbarif876
just logged in to say fupp you cause you are trying to rationalize this asshat whostarted the gaza genocide.
seenunseen
And he didn't drop out in time and is certainly partially responsible for trump getting reelected
cytherians
I agree. He should've stepped out in January of 2024 and allowed a DNC primary. The fact that he didn't... was a real problem for Harris. But also, the people around him didn't push hard enough. Even Jill had suggested it to him, but she didn't push when he resisted.
lonelyrangerofthedreams
Evidently also
NO changing the opinion on Democrats for “centrists”, “uncertain” and non voters
Or we may be not in this shit-smelling orange hell.
FelonyRaptor
Much kissing ass of Israel, though.
cytherians
Sadly, this was the NORM established in American politics. A lot of people just don't get that. The infrastructure and mindset was that Israel is America's closest ally and will be unconditionally supported. It's hard to break that. Old Biden just wasn't up for the task of doing that. BUT... we were getting there. A huge relief effort for Palestinians was an indicator. I think Harris would've put up much pressure as Israel kept obstructing those efforts.
Moechine
Sorry but both Biden and Merrick failed miserably. Trump should have been arrested on Jan 20 2020 for inciting the insurrection. Virtually everyone involved in Jan 6 was tried and convicted and imprisoned except for the instigator. Biden should have brought the full force of the federal government to bring a traitor to justice. Merrick should have focused the DOJ on the insurrection interdependent of the the rest of the feds. their dereliction of duty lead directly to the current worldwide dis
LazerSpacePirate
Fucked us over by playing the dnc's game and supported Nazirael without hesitation, so I wouldn't say "no bullshit"
cytherians
Don't blame Biden for something that was already ironclad established for many decades prior--the unconditional support of Israel by the USA.
Centroid
Garland hung us out to dry
cytherians
Biden really screwed up on that one. Garland really fooled him into thinking he'd be a prudent Attorney General that would prioritize properly. And Biden failed again when he refused to step in. The whole "separation of powers" and the "presidential optics" thing... which Trump smashed to bits with a wrecking ball.
nasukkin
I'm sorry. I voted for the man myself, and for Kamala in 2024. But, "No Lying?" His campaign (and then Kamala's) repeatedly and loudly promised that--regardless of the outcome of the 2024 elections--no Presidential pardons would be given to Hunter Biden or anyone associated with him. That proved to be a giant, bold-faced lie, and the cherry that Biden invested the final several weeks of his Presidency working on. The man did not earn "No Lying."
nasukkin
Any time that I point that out, I will get downvoted to oblivion (yet nobody will step up to the plate and tell me what part of any of that is factually wrong, and I sincerely beg anyone to try to do so now). I suspect that will be the case this time. But, for those who understand that we can't really move forward unless we are willing to criticize those who we support, here's a much longer, more nuanced discussion on the topic by Legal Eagle on YouTube: https://youtu.be/m3y99Ph8rb0
Kyzyl
No malarky.
truthputer
Tons of fucking child murdering tho. Obama bombed a wedding so Biden could bomb a refugee camp so Trump could bomb a school.
alexcoldt
And look at how much better off we are now that he's gone!/s
Keep bothsidesing. I'm sure it will help eventually.
Decitron
I would say him trying to out-MTG on immigrant crime fearmongering at the SOTU counts as racist rhetoric. Also "stupid son of a bitch" was an insult, even if the stupid son of a bitch deserved it. Also also... you know... supporting the genocide in Gaza. Also also before he was POTUS he was hella racist and even penned one of the most racist crime bills in living memory (which even he owns up to). Y'all seem to think he was a saint because he was better than Trump.
nowinsituation
Just quietly enabling and supporting massive genocide and letting the Trump cases languish under the GOP plant AG Garland who had to be pressured from within his department to actually do anything- and then it was too late....and the PR and messaging sucked...oh, and lets not forget the b.s no primary....and the fact his health was failing and he renegged not he "I am a one term President"- screw Biden- screw Trump...but we have Trump bc of Biden
cytherians
Don't blame Biden for something that was already ironclad established for many decades prior--the unconditional support of Israel by the USA.
nowinsituation
well the post seems to be saying look at Biden- what a great guy...while he was perpetuating a pattern of f'd up b.s. This post is saying- "remember when we only had to eat a mud and slime sandwich, those were the good old days-!" because now we are eating eating a turd sandwich-...quite frankly, I would prefer a PBJ
thanatos777
"His job" was to keep the money flowing to the MIC and Israel, make sure nobody was talking about Medicare For All, deport more people than Donald Trump, allow all of the COVID-era social safety nets to come to an end, and he did that all with such decorum!
rockiesmagicnumber
1. yep; 2. yep; 3. really? I didn't know that; 4. When should temporary measures expire if not codified by Congress? 5. He allowed genocide.
cytherians
Don't blame Biden for something that was already ironclad established for many decades prior--the unconditional support of Israel by the USA.
thanatos777
Biden was around for the establishment of that, and has always been a huge fucking Zionist.
nowinsituation
Trump is horrible and the worst president we have ever had...but Biden isn;t some sort of great leader either...his administrations incompetence and weakness set the stage fro Trumps comeback....and he did support genocide...and he did do a lot of lame stuff and mismanaged a lot of things...like you know- appointing Garland and then not firing him after one year when it was apparent he was a GOP plant.
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
Yeah but his policies on Gaza justified people staying home when Trump, who was always going to be objectively worse for everyone in the world, was the only viable alternative to Harris in a first past the post system! It is deeply important for people to “stand on principle” to satisfy their dopamine lust, when we knew Trump would kill far more people!
cytherians
Don't blame Biden for something that was already ironclad established for many decades prior--the unconditional support of Israel by the USA.
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
I’m not.
Dustorm
We don’t lose elections to Republicans, we lose them to the couch. His 4 years did major disenfranchisement to the base.
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
Boop
enderite
And yet, we should still be doing better than him.
CelticMonkey
Yeah, as an independent you're the problem too! Obama let the banks go. Biden and his team knew he was lying to the citizens about his health. No Bullshit? The DNC engages in as much idolatry of your politicians as the GOP, you just don't see that because your perspectives are very Donkey-slanted.
HopelessNecr0mantic
I can find plenty of things to criticize Biden for, Israel and Gaza top of that list. But it sure was nice not hearing about stupid ass shit the president said EVERY. GODDAMN. DAY.
cytherians
Biden was unfortunately anchored down in the many decades long position of providing unquestioning support to Israel. In the USA a very strong lobby emerged to help maintain that... and so when Israel kept encroaching on Palestinian land and undermining their position, the USA kept silent. And the price paid... is what happened in October of 2023.
But Trump wasn't going to do it any better. Only worse. How people could not see that...
mohammadbinsalmon
isnt it fucking astonishing that people vote this down
billymaditsdone
Yeah, gotta say, now I hate the guy. He was a nice break from maga. Seeing how maga defends trump, I wish we/I criticized Biden harder. Another status quo president. I feel the same about Kamala, but obviously was the better choice vs trump/maga. Never again. No more Israel control over the US.
TheGermanWhoHatesAmerica
yeah, during Trumps first term, people globaly were astonished, how much there was to report about the US president on a daily basis. Then 4 years Biden, and things seemed mostly normal again, just press conferences and standart media coverage.
theworldcouldbeflat
Friday and Saturday were going well until he realized his Easter hype campaign was failing.
YuckFuMaga
The last part should have said “no malarkey”
cytherians
Yep, that's a missed opportunity!
witheredspoon
trump NEEDS to see his name in the headlines all the time. If he doesn't see his name, he'll do something outrageous to get it back in.
alienstomper
Yeah but biden wasnt planning on turining gaza into sullk & bones resort town. His and the dems stance on gaza is bad, but trump and reps are far worse
HopelessNecr0mantic
Trump is always worse. But that doesn't mean Biden wouldn't have let Israel do the same shit.
alienstomper
My problem is that people do the geralt thing, from the witcher, where rather than choose a lesser evil, they throw up their hands and just check out, and rather than make a shitty hard choice they have a tantrum and just let the choice make itself
OperatorWay
We heard right-wing tantrums (Biden derangement syndrome) every god damned day:
"sToLeN eLeCtIoN"
"BiDeN cRiMe FaMiLy"
"HuNtEr'S LaPtOp"
"LeT's Go BrAnDoN"
...etc.
WhyDontYouMakeMe
None of those tantrums lead to the closing of a global shipping artery
Sticklebrickk
It's because they had nothing, and they knew it
astronomypictures
Oh fuck off with this crap, guy helped Israel slaughter Gaza. Diet Hitler is still Hitler.
cytherians
Don't blame Biden for something that was already ironclad established for many decades prior--the unconditional support of Israel by the USA.
AfterBurnerZero
How is the gaza situation currently? Did it get better under Trump?
astronomypictures
how do murdered people get better?
cytherians
It got supremely WORSE under Trump. Biden's administration at least had a huge humanitarian effort to help Palestinians. Trump cut that all off and gave a green light to Netanyahu. The genocide effort ramped up significantly.
astronomypictures
Biden used his veto power to rush weapons to Israel faster, he did it twice. you are running defense for a genocidal scumbag. Shameful. “If Israel didn’t exist we would have to go out and invent an Israel”
demosteness
The USA supported and funded the Israeli genocide against Palestine under Joe Biden’s presidency.
MarkusAwesomesauce
That is true but good grief wasn't that better than this shitshow?
cytherians
The USA supported and funded Israel unconditionally as its closest ally since the mid 20th century. This well worn relationship was ironclad and the pro-Israel lobby in the USA saw to that. Biden's presidency wasn't going to break that straight off. There was a huge humanitarian effort made for the Palestinians. But when Trump took office, Netanyahu stepped up things dramatically. He knew fascist Trump would be pro-genocide of Palestinians.
demosteness
You just wrote evil misinformation. Between 40.000 and 70.000 Palestinians were killed under Biden’s presidency, why would he break the alliance? /s There were literally zero efforts to protect Palestine, but the opposite: The USA blocked plenty of UN declarations against the genocide Israel is committing. They publicly sided them at the same time that they were killing thousands of children, destroying hospitals and civil infrastructures.
AfterBurnerZero
True. But did it get better under Trump?
mohammadbinsalmon
whataboutism
rockiesmagicnumber
We're not talking about Trump, we're talking about Uncle Touchy Genocide Enabler.
demosteness
Why would it?
AfterBurnerZero
I don't know. You brought up Gaza as if it was a "gotcha whataboutism".
demosteness
I brought it because it was missing here. Joe Biden’s administration supported and funded a genocide. Why would someone worship him with a list like that? Not a Palestinian.
rockiesmagicnumber
Dude, it kind of is - where does "enabled genocide" rank in the "worst things a world leader can do" hierarchy?
rockiesmagicnumber
Trump is ACTIVELY PRACTICING the genocide, it's obv worse. Biden still enabled genocide. "Trump is worse" doesn't excuse enabling genocide.
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
No pedophilia. No rape.
rockiesmagicnumber
Pedophilia, no. Questionable behavior around women, yes. Genocide, yes. Inflation Reduction Act wasn't nothing. Enough centrists.
astronomypictures
Just genocide, a saint I tell you!
truthputer
Exactly. Democrat challenge: defend Joe “Child Murderer” Biden without mentioning Donald “Child Rapist” Trump. Difficulty level: impossible, they literally always bring up Trump because Biden is indefensible.
L4dead2
On the contrary, most of us actually do condemn him which is why we’re glad he stepped down. He was a decent leader but not a strong one. On the other hand maga republicans excuse anything trump does because they “love” him so much. He could shoot a family member in front of one of them and they’ll still love him.
TheMightyMollusk
Jump into a post comparing Biden to Trump, demand to talk about Biden without talking about Trump. 4D chess there, pal.
req4adream99
And how’s Gaza doing now? How about Libya? Or Iran? Those all going good?
rockiesmagicnumber
No, they're not they're going poorly! This doesn't suddenly excuse Biden aiding genocide! Trump is way worse! Bad shit happened under Biden!
astronomypictures
Are you one of those, Trump is a scumbag so therefore Biden isn't people?
herrcane
I suspect he's one of those "Biden didn't do enough to stop genocide but Trump thinks genocide is awesome and wants to do 110% genocide and is therefore definitely worse" people.
rockiesmagicnumber
Yes Trump is worse. False dichotomy. Biden enabled Genocide. Biden also got the IRA passed. Ultimately, he sat on his hands and crown.
req4adream99
Nope. Now go back to your parents basement.
astronomypictures
lol, bingo.