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Jan 19, 2023 3:29 AM
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Escapist83
Or I'm just sick of hearing about it.
DaisyfromDownunder
Fill up jails with pedo priests and then - and only then will I talk to you about your imaginary friend.
enheru
Nah man, fuck religion.
bakerguy1337
my mom always says this, and also adds don't talk about "money". It can be hard to discuss a lot of things.
CannotBeBanned
Are cults a difficult topic?
ChewyTheWookie
It takes one to practice civility, but it takes two for a civil conversation. One group is defined by its relishing the refusal to be civil.
RoboCoonie
We were once barred from talking about politics at work because it ended up stopping an entire project because of gay rights.
izzatme
I love how people here consider themselves reasonable and everyone else unreasonable. Lots of hate lives here...
CheeseGreaterGood
Yes, but also call out bullshit rather than just calling it a difference of opinion. Don’t let them spout lies.
LizardEnterprises
There is no civil way to have a conversation with people who deny the right of others to exist as themselves in peace.
BestUsernameICouldThinkOf
With the note that some people can push any conversation into those two topics, and it's easier to make a blanket rule than it is to(1)
BestUsernameICouldThinkOf
keep thinking of ways to politely tell them to STFU.
Jmankjp
And this is precisely why am I taking a World Religions and Critical Thinking course this semester. To better my understanding of things.
tiagogafe
@Jmankjb Good luck, if taught well World Religions should be a very challenging course. It makes you think in very unconventional ways.
BHPaperstacks
Cuz you are a self reflective person. The problem is these assholes are not. I've seen the cognitive dissonance on their faces and it's sad
chicharrone
https://i.imgur.com/vGSLlQX.null Makes me think of my bestie who avoids all of it and won't vote. Not good.
PostalHeathen
Could be worse. My wife's only voted once, and it was for Trump. She bought the "Biden's a pedophile" thing and voted against him.
LovelyMover
This is what pubs were for. Measured chats at 11pm about women, religion & politics.
billyjonas
‘I believe all non whites should be exterminated!’ ….
beerlady
Right, then you're at a bar, and some drunk asshole hears you're a scientist and immediately asks what you think about evolution. To fight
flarflarf
theres a reason we just went straight to "ok you know what? we're just not gonna talk about it."
Kalavier
Yep. IRL I've even had moments of "I literally do not fucking care about this as much as you, please just take your cigs and leave."
Kalavier
Mostly about Covid and getting the vaccines these last few years.
andydicktracymorganfairchild
In the day it was more imperative to get along with your community because that was kind of your world, so they didn't wanna rock the boat.
Shoutrr
can't have a civil conversation with people who didn't make a logical choice to follow a political/religious formation, they did it with
Shoutrr
feelings, and will defend with feelings too. often anger
OmenJones
I don't want to have these conversations with strangers, and I can already have these conversations with people in my life.
HaikuSorrow
Agreed.
LongJuan
Let's talk politics!
astrangehop
In a land where "I disapprove of the way you cook steak." Is an attack on personal beliefs and character?
alaest0r
TGE LIBS ARE CUMIN 4 THE GAS ST000VES
idrinkcheapbeer
As a former bartender, this isn't very realistic. People get mad and hit each other and you want to avoid that.
NomDeImguerre
Nope. You don't need to talk about religion or politics. You don't need to justify your belief or lack of. All you need is to understand..
NomDeImguerre
..boundaries ,where your beliefs impact others d vice versa. That's all.
beAbetterperson7
Shouldnt have to discuss religion, each persons should not interfere with anyone elses life.Politics would be better if religion was removed
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
Yeah great way to make progress. Leaving it alone has made it more prolific
oddmog
I'd love it if separation of church and state was actually a thing but yeah, lot of places can't get elected with being religious.
oddmog
Sorry, can't get elected without being religious, fucks sake people make a huge deal out of not being right sect even.
leodavinci1
Considering that many are as emotionally connected to politics as they (and others) are to a religion, I highly doubt it.
HaikuSorrow
This definitely depends on which country you are from.
HaYouLose
No. Some clubs have this rule so as to not focus on what divides us. We’re capable of intelligent conversations on both topics, but avoid.
Kalavier
"We are here to play video games and have a fun time, not discuss the current political troubles of the state. This is our escape."
DJOldguy
YES But assholes have gotta be assholes & subject us to their opinion as the only one that matters because they are RIGHT & we're all WRONG!
Kalavier
This is mostly why I avoid touching it while at work. Holy shit people are fixed in their stances and I don't have time or energy to deal
Kalavier
with that shit. Better to excuse myself and wander into the office/backroom and let them just fucking leave.
Kalavier
*Note, it's usually customers who start this shit typically.*
duktayp
1st, try having a civil game of Monopoly ... start small
kaarbaakimgr
Or Uno
hnngh
Everyone civil until they land on a property with a hotel.
Iamcornjulio
That’s funny! Thank you
PostalHeathen
Monopoly's supposed to piss off everyone. That's the whole point of the game.
skullAvatar
Not everyone. Someone always comes out on top.
bobbycottle
The point was to show evil of capitalism. Then the capitalists bought it and it became "family fun".
NotACanadian
This doesn't work if you're raised by narcissists whose responses to politically contradictory ideas is to gaslight you and escalate things
edgareplekjekk
Lots of normal behaviour does not work when raised by gaslightning narcissists. But very few people are.
andydicktracymorganfairchild
That's not true. You're just upset.
edgareplekjekk
I am not upset. Your gaslightning have no power here.
andydicktracymorganfairchild
Your parents told me you get like this sometimes. Why don't you have a drink, and tomorrow we'll see about restoring your phone privileges.
drduffer
Ok. I’ll start: I believe in universal basic income. GOP reply: You’re a fucking commie pedophile!
edgareplekjekk
How much should this basic income be per person?
ATribeofAfricanNatives
It should be the poverty threshold for that area
bakerguy1337
rent + food.
edgareplekjekk
Google tells me that the average rent + food per year is about 16K a year. That makes this basic income cost a trillion more than is
edgareplekjekk
collected by taxes every year. And that means that there is no more left over for healthcare, defence, education etc.
Salvroth
Easy solution to that: tax churches, corporations, reinstate a proper income tax brackets, and add a windfall tax.
Badprenup
Now look into how overpriced food and rent is while landlords and food companies repeatedly post record profits. You're almost there champ
edgareplekjekk
Maybe you can help me the rest of they way?
edgareplekjekk
So not money? Just give out food to people and erect blocks for place to live?
TheBlueMuppet
Or, make a card that you use only to pay for rent and food, so you can buy your food and live where you want, with set limits.
ATribeofAfricanNatives
I am for universal basic income but doing it this way would cause the cost of housing and food to rise disproportionately
edgareplekjekk
An ok thought. Like a better version of food stamps.
TheBlueMuppet
That way, rent and food numbers can be tracked so if someone starts gouging the system they can be dealt with. As it turns out, we have this
ReaperCDN
I think what they mean is that it would be based on the rent + food where they live. Since that's not the same, there's no set figure.
edgareplekjekk
I think so too. But i asked for a number. That way the idea feels more real anf tangible.
Orzufancylad
Sounds good, but then your FIL tells you that you are a pedophile because you disagree with his "trans people should be put in camps" idea.
mostlyjustheretoupvotefunnycomments
I was called a pedophile for suggesting "women shouldn't be allowed to vote" was sexist
EngorgedPhallus
Exactly why you need to calmly but firmly explain he's a fucking embarrassment to society, over and over again.
ProudAussie
But he's a Gravy Seal Meal 6.
JaimeLannistersRightHand
Eat him then... Fat = flavour
BagOfPrayers
Ideas like that are a direct result of generations of avoiding "uncomfortable" topics and instead making fully constructed echo chambers
lostlittletimeonthis
Time to go Aristotle on his arguments
airen
My mom accused me of pedophilia at 13 bc i came out as bi n said she was ‘concerned about me being around an 8 year old girl’
Lethous
That's the newsmax/right side News talking. I try to remind myself that family members like that have been duped by an echo chamber of crap
Maaatth
Well if earlier in life he had civil conversation about the topic, he'd prolly be of a different opinion.
LetsBreakBreadAndDrinkWine
When do we put fascists in camps?
adage009
Do we have the same in-laws!?
ThatOtherTransGirl
Coming out trans was an amazing way to find out for sure who in my family was worth talking to.
pareidoliaperson
Wait. What about pedophiles? He doesn't think pedophiles should be in some sort containment as well??
LordOfTheFattys
My ex-brother did the same to me.
CivilizedUndead
My cousin said something similar, I proceeded to fist fight him. Thankfully he's a fucking incel tate-bator, who's never fought anyone.
LordOfTheFattys
I sometimes wish I had fought him, but he's the more physically fit and fight experienced.
spookyactionatadistance
Hadn't seen my uncles and aunts since before COVID. I had to leave the room because the casual racism and privilege was making me angry
ProppaGanda
And without discussing this matter you wouldn't know you should dent their skull.
LincolnFox
And then it turns out HE was the pedophile the whole time!
Shaodyn
Or your racist uncle spends over an hour screaming at you because you believe immigrants aren't the cause of every problem.
Shaodyn
Or Grandpa threatens to cut you out of the will for saying homeless people don't deserve to starve.
textilelover
Welp. Guess I'm out of the will. Had that chat early with the hubs. His dad isn't as bad as these folks but SUPER controlling.
Shaodyn
My point is that there are reasons for not having that kind of conversation.
textilelover
And my point is that everyone should have their line in the sand, the hill of morality they'll die on. In which case, you have the convo.
GravyEducation
They should be put into camps! Everybody likes a good smore and a swim in the lake!
LondoMollari58
You know what, the 'all trans people need to be sent to a fun campout with lots of activities' hill is one I'm willing to die on
GravyEducation
I'm a cis dude, I went to horse camp, let's do horse camp it's super fun
ThatOtherTransGirl
Yo, "all-trans campout" sounds hella fun, let's do it.
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
That’s crazy, I’m not paying more tax for them to get to go the camp
Escapist83
"SUMMER CAMPS ARE TURNING YOUR KIDS TRANS"
BHPaperstacks
Sound like the plot for an episode of Big Mouth.
NotACanadian
No, this is:
ThatOtherTransGirl
Can confirm.
channelranger
Yeah there's some shit you shouldn't be civil about. Don't avoid the conversation. Shame them for their terrible views. Make it a problem.
Ihadsexwithadragonlastnight
Until they feel threatened and use violence—be it by hand or a weapon if any kind.
channelranger
Frankly on a societal level if telling them they're an asshole for being a bigot invites violence, then we need to respond in kind.
kaarbaakimgr
Would be a shame to just ignore them and just let them live their life?
Salvroth
Yes, it would. There is no place in society for people intolerant of those living their own lives without harming others.
halflingus
Live and let live only works if all sides are doing it. Advocating for others to be put into camps is already not "let live"
ThomasThundersword
tbf him being that bad is a result of not talking abt it sooner AND the fox news propaganda mill. when someone is that far gone about all>
rbudrick
There is no f ala tbf here. It implies justification.
ThomasThundersword
you can do is tell them they are insane and to get the fuck out of your house and life until they get deprogrammed. but like any cult, the>
ThomasThundersword
time where conversations *would* have helped, before they went full nutty came and passed. we are witnessing the end game of about 40 years>
ThomasThundersword
of “don’t talk about it” so that the alt right could radicalize about 30% of the nation in quite (and no i didn’t base that number off Regan
ThomasThundersword
but it’s not all that surprising that it absolutely aligns with the beginning of his presidency and the foundation he built)