Nemi ships

May 16, 2020 8:33 AM

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The Nemi ships were two ships, one larger than the other, built under the reign of the Roman emperor Caligula in the 1st century AD at Lake Nemi.

In 1927, the Italian dictator Benito Mussolini ordered Guido Ucelli to drain the lake (Lake Nemi, in the Lazio region of Italy) and recover the ships. With the help of the Regia Marina, the Italian Army, industry and private individuals, an ancient Roman underground water conduit linking the lake to farms outside the crater was reactivated. The conduit was connected to a floating pumping platform on 20 October 1928 and the lake level began dropping. By 28 March 1929, the water level had dropped 5 metres (16 ft), and the first ship (prima nave) broke the surface.

By 10 June 1931, the prima nave had been recovered and the second ship (seconda nave) was exposed. By this time the water level had dropped more than 20 metres (66 ft) with over 40 million cubic metres of water removed.

The boat had a pointed bow and a square stern. It had been loaded with stones in order to sink it. It is believed to be contemporaneous with the ships. Due to technical problems, the seconda nave could not be recovered until October 1932. A purpose-built museum constructed over both ships was inaugurated in January 1936.

Although the purpose of the ships is only speculated upon, the larger ship was essentially an elaborate floating palace, which contained quantities of marble, mosaic floors, heating and plumbing and amenities such as baths.

Both ships featured technology thought to have been developed historically much later. It has been stated that the emperor was influenced by the lavish lifestyles of the Hellenistic rulers of Syracuse and Ptolemaic Egypt.

The first ship recovered was 70 metres (230 ft) long with a beam (width) of 20 metres (66 ft). The second ship recovered was the larger at 73 metres (240 ft) in length and with a beam of 24 metres (79 ft).

The ships were destroyed by fire in World War II on the night of 31 May 1944.[9] Several shells of the United States Army hit the museum around 8 pm, causing little damage but forcing the German artillery to leave the area. Around two hours later, smoke was seen coming from the museum. There are conflicting views on which side was responsible for the destruction.

At that time, Allied forces were pursuing the retreating German army northward through the Alban Hills toward Rome. On May 28, a German artillery post was established within 400 feet (120 m) of the museum … An official report filed in Rome later that year described the tragedy as a willful act on the part of the German soldiers. A German editorial blamed the destruction on American artillery fire. The true story of what happened that night will probably never be known.

More information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemi_ships

I was legit thinking the pictures were from when the ships were being built, for a little bit too long...

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If they'd only waited a couple of decades to recover them

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And totally ignoring social distancing. Bastards.

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Imgur needs more of this.

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Making war a the side of a history museum. Idiocracy at it's top level.

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Almost 2 millennia underwater and still ends up being destroyed by fire =/

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Dear Germans, what's the harm in laying blame on the Nazis for this? Don't worry. You won't tarnish their good reputation.

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Lots of respect and love for people like you who put these together to help me learn cool facts amongst my meme scrolling.

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Sir Harold Alexander of the British army was the Commander-in-Chief of the allied armies in Italy. Example: Heavy Bombing of Monte Cassino.

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That'll buff right out.

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So they drained a lake. Found boats. Built builing at bottom of lake around boats... Did anyone think of flooding? Also boo fire and WW2

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Our bad! ?1

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Very cool thank you

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damn italians would always get into trouble (greece anyone) and then the germans would be forced to help out

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Whatever happened, the museum seems to blame the Germans. I watched a documentary on these ships and multiple times they did.

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Even if it was the US artillery, it wouldn't be falling there if it weren't for the Nazis. So... well, done, Nazis.

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If the Roman's didn't think boat's were for bitchs they probably would have ended up in the America's

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I'm no expert on the matter, but when it comes to the question who may be responsible for the destruction of something, I'd say the party /1

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that used ARTILLERY FIRE to shell the place is the prime suspect.

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So, screw the beautiful crater lake, I guess.

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So much was destroyed in the second world war.

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Fun fact: Mussolini was great at draining water from things. Look at him fighting malaria

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+1 for the detailed but not boring description of the Nemi ships and for being bipartisan.

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Amazing story, thanks. Intel these days unfortunately isn't that precise as now....sad we cannot see the ships

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#9 What boat? They also discovered a boat?

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Yep, there was also a smaller boat apparently sunk at the same time as the big ships.

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Probably used to take people from ship to shore and vice versa...

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That is literally the only time it's mentioned, hence why I was lost.

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Well the Germans did bomb Pompeii....and our local chippy

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Vesuvius also bombed Pompeii.

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They took out my great Aunt's house. She was livid with the mess.

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Where's my little chippy?

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The little fokers!

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“Fokker”

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But these Fockers were Messerschmitts!

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“Fokker”

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They shot my great-grandfather's cow!

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I heard the Germans did Carthage too

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They stole my bike too!

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And there's the pickles from LAST time too!

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Dutch?

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A Dutchman i presume?

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Stan Boardman, is that you?

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Equally important military targets.

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The russians stole my grandfather's cow. They did a lot of other fucked up things, but he was mad about that cow all his life.

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I want, NO NEED, this story are a separate post...

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Aw man what the fuck

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Poor farmers - the 2 cows they had were a great source of food. When the russians occupied my country, they confiscated one of the cows.

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Complete assholes

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Yup similar story here too with my grandma. And a traumatising retelling of a rape (not her, a friend).

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She liked the nazis better than the russians, cuz they were nice to the villagers, sharing their rations, and the russ stole evrytng 4 state

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In Russia Nazis burned entire populations of villages alive.

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Christ how fucked up. hope you didn’t think i was saying nazis were better than the commies. Just what my grandma experienced

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I see targeting historical treasures is a staple for fanatical assholes.

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And the allies, we bombed them because we thought some Nazis were hiding out there. I actually never head of the Nazis bombing it!

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I read it in the war diaries of English comic Spike Milligan. He went round the ruins during the war. Of course the guide could have lied...

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Yea, it's true he's talked about it on TV and in his diaries. It was a popular place for Allied personel on leave.

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Just wondering if the guide told the Germansit was the Allies and vice versa when the Allies rolled up.

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I enjoyed reading that, even though it has a sad end. I love the architecture of the museum roof they were housed in.

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The arches are similar to the gothic or pointed arches which date back to the mid 12th century

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Yes! It has that grandeur to it. Personally, I would have used a Palladian style but I like them nonetheless!

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Makes me think about how much history was lost due to the world wars

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Not as much as the Library of Alexandria....

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That was a cultural apocalypse.

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The beginning was sad. Senseless draining of a natural body of water for the sake of putting old ships on display.

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Not a fan of archeology?

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I am when it's worth it. Preserving wildlife should be a higher priority than our curiosity.

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"When it's worth it" I'm glad you said that because our curiosity got us into space and exploring and the tech advances from that alone

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No, the Cold War did that. No amount of advancement is worth sacrificing the natural world.

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I don't understand why they were sunk. If you have enough control to sink them, why not just take them as your own?

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They appear to have been built for religious purposes, and Caligula was pushing his own religious cults. Support vanished when he died.

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The ships were built on this small lake. Not really anywhere to take them.

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That really is a small lake. Must have been half full, when the both ships were still afloat.

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Presumably was a much bigger lake with 20m higher water levels but still yes, essentially pointless luxury boats

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Everyone knows boats cost as more to maintain than they do to buy. Can you imagine the upkeep costs on something like this?

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It was Caligula. Dude appointed a horse as a senator. He was madder than a hatter.

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5 years later and a horse would definitely be an improvement to the senate

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Huh, so I guess Caligula & CK2 players had something in common after all

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We have a turtle as senate majority leader, a horse isn't that far fetched.

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This comment is greatness. Ty!

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I dunno, I expect the Amphibian Anti-Defamation League is going to want to have a few words with him.

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It was to make a point to the Senate that he was in control, not them.

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Damn horses.

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The ships were sunk after he died though.

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Thanks. I hate it. But also kinda like it.

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It got better.

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Just imagine where we would be if war and disease didn't keep in setting us back every few 100 years

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We need the Heralds back. These Desolations are getting ridiculous.

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*cosmere intensifies*

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Considering most technological advancement comes from war and one-upmanship I think we would be much farther back. That would not be bad.

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Imagine if all our advances in weapons were advances in other areas instead. This is what I always dream about

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Endless entertainment is not helping either.

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If what happened on St Matthew Island teaches us anything, probably extinct.

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Well at least it helped in some degrees to advance the medical field. I once read/heard that 4 years of WW1 had managed to create more

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advancements in the medical field than the previous 30 years.

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If I remember reading correctly, there was the claim that it's from ww1 that reconstructive surgery really come to the fore

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Modern plastic surgery started there with fixing of faces/ears etc

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WW2 was the birth of so much technology we use today. Unfortunately so much death and destruction had to accompany it all.

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It really wasn't. It may have accelerated development a bit but most of the groundwork was done before the first shot was fired.

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Nearly every major war serves as a cultural and technological tipping point.

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The same need for development could have been created by other ways - like space exploration.

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Starting to get annoyed with that narrative as if we need war to make progress, we could have better progress if war wasnt so important 2 us

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It should but space exploration isn’t viewed as much as an urgency as an impending war.

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But space exploration only happened because of the Cold War.

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And using Nazi rocket scientists to boot, who built their devices with slave labor to be fired half-blind into civilian populations.

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Nah, they built it because they wanted to build rockets, and they only got funding and labor if they put bombs in them.

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