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Man: “Well if you was born in Pakistan, originally from Pakistan you must have been kidnapped by now.”
Woman: “Kidnapped by you?”
Man: “…You are in Canada so I cannot touch you.”
May 13, 2024 9:00 AM
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Man: “Well if you was born in Pakistan, originally from Pakistan you must have been kidnapped by now.”
Woman: “Kidnapped by you?”
Man: “…You are in Canada so I cannot touch you.”
ArgentXero
He's basically trying to say he loves Canada and it's laws preventing men from kidnapping women. That's why he's in Canada and not Pakistan.
androgenoide
Yeah, I think we already know that Pakistan would be a bad place to catch a ride with a stranger.
accidentalnecromancer
This is super creepy, but he does say "Great is Canada," so maybe he meant that these laws are good and this is why he came to Canada. He still shouldn't have said it this way though. It's hard to tell what he meant without more of the conversation.
NKato
Yup, English as a second language can be a bit confusing and some nuance is lost.
dlbgaw
This video seriously needs context. I tried to find the full thing, but all I seem to find are videos about Uber pulling out of Pakistan. I feel like this was shortened to incite outrage because that's how you get those views these days. It seems more like a warning about Pakistan to me.
Kagenical
Holy shit, and I thought *I* overshare.
VaxxedCanadian
TMI. Calm down.
Popnitro
So you overshare about murderous or criminally minded thoughts?
TheRoyalDong
Obviously that's not what they meant.
Feonir44
This seems a little out of contexty tbh.
sircowdog
Everyone going off about this.....but we have no context for the rest of the conversation. Yes, from what we see it seems SUPER creepy. However, every time I see only a tiny clip, and not a longer form video for the actual context, I get VERY skeptical. Do not assume or leap to conclusions without the full story, kids.
oldguyexlurker
I can't tell if they had been having a discussion about the differences in how women are treated between the two countries and we're only seeing the VERY objectionable and honest description of how she would be treated in Pakistan, or if he was creepily trying to compliment her by saying she was 'cute enough' someone in Pakistan would have kidnapped her by now.
seehemewe
Right. It seems like English is his second language, so unsure of if it’s a very rapey “I would kidnap you if I thought I’d get away with it”
Or “You need to be careful as around the globe there are people and places where if you get in a cab by yourself, you’ll be kidnapped”
LitheXD
Ya, I'm going to wait before I bring out my pitchfork. It could all be what you said, or language barrier, or bad editing. Idk. Either way, it's sad that that would happen to a woman in his country and a lot of the world still. It's ridiculous women are so oppressed in 2024.
oldguyexlurker
I doubt it's a language barrier. I have no doubt he means it when he says she'd be treated that way in his country.
goddess97
Same here. I don’t know why this topic was even brought up in the first place though because it IS creepy regardless.
sneakinglurkingpeepingguy
Missing context to the conversation perhaps.
caffeinatedSkier
It does sound like a warning/ stay safe out there + language disconnect. Maybe it should be phrased as, you could get kidnapped by a cabbie if you did this in an unsafe area. (Also, my totally uneducated guess is he also said some mean judgemental stuff to her).
HardyandRamanujan
I agree. He may, be a horrible person, or we may be hearing a snippet of conversation out of context. I will wait before I hate.
Tarmaccian
I've witnessed a strikingly similar conversation while headed to a place where rape is often ignored. To summarize: My girlfriend was arranging for a taxi, and the driver refused by saying "no, I will rape you". She pointed at me and said "my husband is coming too". The driver then accepted.
What actually happened is that the driver tried to communicate that a single young woman wasn't safe travelling alone there, but a significant language and cultural barrier turned his advice into a threat.
youreathing
There are also a couple of weird cuts/jumps in the middle that make me think more info is missing.
SarcasticComment
unfortunately women don't get the "wow this is getting terrifying, I better start filming" bits on camera.
ZK383
In much of the world, a woman on her own or dressed immodestly is an open target for rape. Learn about where you're going- North Africa can be horrific for single women travelers, or dressed in shorts, tank top, and separated from men. Western women can't even conceive of the callous "She's a whore so I can use her" attitude in much of the world. I caution travelers frequently to be careful about dress and being without a man in these places.
gorillaClutch
So... probably not 5 star rating I'd guess
Iblamemyparentstoo
Uh...I think I'll walk
Larsozzo
So, when does uber starts teaching bears how to drive?
MapleSyrupMafia
I don't know, but as a man, I'd now feel unsafe in a uber if a big hairy man was constantly looking at me.
onecowboytoo
BEARD3DBEANIEE
I thought bears were a good thing now? I'm so lost.
tinybartender
The bears will replace guys like this.
Rufferstuff
A woman wouldn't want to meet him in the woods, so he isn't a bear.
jalcantara88127001
Kek. Topical
SugaryBonemeal
Nice to see a bear thriving in its natural habitat. A Studebaker.
TheWorldAccordingToAtlas
Essentially Cabracadabra from Bojack Horseman, except they were mostly orcas.
TZO2k15
Unlike last week or so, as the bear reference was news to me…
hnngh
I know a few bears that drive for uber....
onecowboytoo
hnngh
DustyMcKnuckles
TheDildoOfConsequences
I wonder what, if anything, he could possibly have expected to come out of this conversation.
CorgisButtsDriveMeNuts
LMAO what was that she said at the end?
DaddyChillWhatTheHellIsEvenThat
Religion of Peace and respect for women.
Daviino
If you need laws to be a good person, you are not good person.
ZeitgeistWurst
Do what you love and you will never work a day in your life.
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
Not sure the root context of the statement, but this is certainly relatable.
DocMilsap
Predicto
I interpret this out of context portion of a conversation differently. I don't think he was saying he wanted to kidnap her, or anyone else. I think he was discussing how unsafe Pakistan is for women and how much better Canada is. But the Internet is going to interpret it as angrily as possible, and probably doxx him and get him deported.
Howlingowl
I think this is more of a language barrier issue than him actually threatening her
jalcantara88127001
It seems the question of morality never crossed his mind.
graehall
Hey uber driver
thisiscatman
Please tell me this driver lost his career with uber and has been pre-banned from ever driving for lyft.
FluentPenguin
Some beautifully well adjusted comments in this lil comment
Zoldjah
"career" isn't a word I'd relate to driving uber, but here we are
ATacoWalksIntoABar
Only in Pakistan
StarryPlough
It's Canada. They will just make excuses for him, probably something along the lines of cultural or language barriers and it's actually the people criticising him who need to apologise.
TheGriffin
No we won't
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dingofdong
So... are you suggesting that the correct play is "we should allow creeps to remain in positions of trust/power that they could abuse, in case they do something worse in retaliation for losing that position"? Or just a joke and it's not very clear? Because if it's not a joke, I... I'm not sure that's a very good argument to be honest
Taalii
‘Better not deal with threats by preventing them acting or they might get worse’
TheDogEnd
werrywerry
How could anyone take this joke literally? If I was so stupid to take this joke literally, I would stop commenting on people's posts all together. Like, look at all the people that somehow think it makes sense that you actually believe your above comment.
delecti
Do you think kidnapping is an especially lucrative career?
Hammerwell
It can be. https://www.vox.com/22596198/students-nigeria-profit-kidnapping">pping">https://www.vox.com/22596198/students-nigeria-profit-kidnapping or https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/05/09/kidnapping-efficient-business/
PectorialMuscles
People taking this comment seriously need to check their adult pants into the locker room. It's clear as day this was a joke and I'm bloody autistic.
prfesser
Please review Poe's Law. On Imgur and elsewhere, using /s is necessary.
PectorialMuscles
Or asking people to learn how to read will suffice. Not my job to be everyone's reading coach.
PectorialMuscles
Quick tip: read it in the tone of the comment. Can you BELIEVE someone saying that sentence with any seriousness whatsoever? Just casual flippancy? In any case, it also is structured like a joke with the punchline following a rhetorical question. It's rhetorical because the punchline answers immediately after. Classic steps 1 and 2 of a joke.
AfterTheRainComesTheRainbow
You don't speak for all of us on the spectrum, fuckwad
PectorialMuscles
Found someone with both terrible reading comprehension and also the fattest fucking ego I've seen. Good job with your ability to shit on yourself. If you need someone to explain it to you like I know you do, I was expressing MY OWN FUCKING PROBLEM, CUNT. How about that for fucking stereotype, you absolute pencil in a dick.
AfterTheRainComesTheRainbow
Way to overreact, hot damn. Sorry that I'm not a mind reader to know you only meant yourself <3 I hope you feel better soon, with whatever crawled up your butt and died
spontaneous9
That is absolutely creepy af. Why would he even SAY something like that. Yeesh
BossVarriack
I think he genuinely thought that was a "Haha compliment" where he genuinely thought it'd be a goofy "fun" thing to say. I have met some people like that, and it is genuinely disturbing. It's like that Boomer Humor where they "joke" about their parents beating them if they did the same thing a millennial just did. Or some variation, and somehow don't see how disgusting that is.
tomassirolo
because in his unfortunate Islamic upbringing mind, this is for her own good, to "warn" her. Funny that if that woman is younger than 25, there is a good chance she would go to a protest that justify guys that are way worse than him, in the way they treat women and other minorities,
CoarseAndSalty
Very bad at cabbie banter..
TsubakiTragic
zero stars for you numbnuts.
livingonagiantfireball
Because he is from pakistan, he was born and raised being told its normal... this is so fucked cause it make you think about whats normal in other country that is criminal for us.
artie500
Even more-so, look at what goes on in India.
TalanRhodes
Because he was likely raised to think it was ok to say something like that.
Zunderfeuer
Probably thinks it's a compliment...
Zunderfeuer
*Apparently nowadays you always need a sarcasm tag, seesh
johnvictor
Out of the car immediately.
PorneliusHubertII
It's funny tp point out that long ago we were told not to get into cars with strangers, and now there is an entire industry that is getting in Cars with strangers.
Mr21782Man
Having plenty of weird Uber/Lyft/Taxi drivers over the years, this is the sort of thing you start talking about after a few minutes of getting to know each other. There's a reason it has a weird cut and stars with "well if you were born in Pakistan". But of course "how are women treated in Pakistan" contains too much historical and religious context history over the much more clickbait "Uber Driver tells girl he'll kidnap her".
Gaelig
and why does she laugh with the guy.... she should report this to his boss...
Zootsoot
Because it’s another safety behavior that men mistake for agreement/consent. Ever see a movie where a dangerous psycho is holding the heroes at gunpoint, and one of the guys tries to start a conversation and just agrees/is sympathetic to everything the crazy gunman says?
Yeah- that’s a skill most women learn before age 13 and we use it ALL THE TIME with men. It’s De-escalation.
OhIfIMust
Common response when you're confused and frightened.
JustPissingAgainstTheWindYOLO
because he can ....funny how that goes...many people shouldn't like...most of the things imo XD
whatsisname
It's possible there's a language barrier aspect and he's trying to describe all the pakistani cab drivers as being shitheads, rather than being one himself. Or he is one, who knows.
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
Because that is what may possibly happen to an "unattended" young woman in Pakistan and many parts of the world...? I believe is what he is saying, because I have heard it said before.
IAmNotNSAsodonotbeparanoid
Walking in on a conversation that may have started long before it gets recorded is going to be weird. Hence, it is okay for you to judge it with what little you know at the time.
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
Have you met men?
xsculder
duuuude men are creepy as fuck in general. I took a lot of taxis in my teen yrs (lived in MTL) and I could write a book about the disturbed nasty shit taxi drivers told me. I had at least two tell me that it was a shame i was a bit overweight (i was 14-15yo), a few made advances, some talked about their sex life or sex in general.
xsculder
I know not all men are like that, and i did take a lot of taxis and not all rides were with creepy dudes. Some were really nice and had some memorable conversations. But yes, men, if a woman is a stranger to you, dont tell her how she would be so beautiful if she lost a bit of weight, or talk about your sex life in general.
Aksuuuh
It was his pickup line.
HandoB4Javert
*dropoff line
harmlesspotato
Qualtagh
I THINK he was trying to warn her, but doing it very very poorly
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
That's adorable.
OhIfIMust
His English is WAAAAAAAY better than my Urdu.
TalanRhodes
Or compliment her...which is worse.
MCNewYorkLives
There are countries/cultures that have decided that it's ok and expected that a woman going outside alone warrants sexual assault/rape
imgomg10
Name the countries
WombBruiser69
Did people forget that women have been property for thousands of years and had never gotten rights until recently?
dingo8yrbaby
I had a female friend travel to Egypt and Turkey about 10 years ago - something she said she'd never do again. She said that she was constantly harassed by guys whenever she went out. According to her, if a woman was traveling without her father, husband or brother, they assumed she was a hooker.
pfunk81
I hate making any sort of excuse for this behavior but this is absolutely true... Unfortunately when people move from those countries where this is acceptable, the behavior isn't addressed or educated out of the individual. "What do you mean we have to TELL people that kidnapping/rape is bad!?!?"
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
This is what I hate about allowing immigration from countries where women aren't even close to equal. Every single person with that attitude who lives here makes me less equal. Why is that ok? We should have screening to identify people with the strongest sexist attitudes and the most likely to be violent, and then not let them in. Others who are teachable, should be taught. Otherwise equality for me and every other woman and most likely every LGBTQ+ person gets further away every day.
Zootsoot
It’s happened a lot in the EU with new, refugee populations from some middle eastern countries. These people aren’t the ones who left their country in search of education & assimilation into a different country. They are people who were FINE with the old customes etc, thank you very much, and would’ve stayed there happily if war hadn’t detroyed their homes.
In this case, yeah, as their new country, it’s necessary to actually have community education about what is legal/acceptable and what’s not
AnonymousSourceOfGenitals
That argument totally misses the point that plenty of rape happened before the immigrants arrived by non-immigrants. Pointing a finger like this at refugees usually hides trhe crimes of the native population that by this measure should be held to a higher standard
Zootsoot
No. Addressing the need to educate new arrivals to the culture/laws of a new country is a completely different topic. Just like treating a blister from
new shoes is a different need than going to the doctor to surgically correct bunions.
Both are problems, both are painful, but treating one does not preclude addressing the other.
The reported assaults by new refugees that we are discussing are statistically significant because the assaults were confirmed. It’s not xenophobic hearsay. 1/2
insertwittyjoke
It's increasingly happening in Canada too. We had a very high profile case of a refugee raping and murdering a 13 year old girl in a popular local park and the defense was basically 'well according to his culture the girl could be viewed as overly sexual and leading him on'. Naturally people were outraged and public sentiment on immigration is taking a hard right turn in recent years
killernerd
with good fucking reason. Those animals can fuck right off back to the shithole they crawled out of.
MCNewYorkLives
The extreme tolerance of intolerance will ironically breed intolerance. There is a limit to how much respect needs to be given to a culture. Need to wear a headpiece? Fine. Want to rape someone? No. And by giving people passes or leniency simply due to fear of seeming intolerant just increases the number of people committing hate crimes or becoming xenophobic
TheDarkNye
I hate this because I'm Canadian, we're taught to be forgiving and helpful/supportive and that helping people is important, then the ones we help go and do stuff like this and treat us poorly. I hate to say it, but get the fuck out of my country.
Violaquin
Okay, this might seem out of place but read it and y’all will get the connection.
jt42
Only upvoted because I do this. Almost always, if it's raining I've parked it on a curb, sorry.
torokunai
Confucianism has The Silver Rule: 己所不欲勿施於人
that which you don't want, do not effect on others
Zootsoot
True. But since I got Long Covid? Sometimes I gotta choose between return in the cart or returning home.
KPodol
I don't know, pretty sure some serial killers like Ted Bundy or Edmund Kemper would return the cart so they can fit in without attracting to much attention. But then again some douchebags don't care enough about basic courtesy to do that.
ZK383
Oh, bullshit. Not that stupid shopping cart test. Big grocery pushes this shit so they don't have to pay people to get the carts around the parking lot, saving them money. I put the cart in a corral because they can roll and hit people's cars, not because of some stupid morality test being used to manipulate people and make money for the chain.
BornOnAMonday83
Meds
torokunai
nah people at Costco leave the cart like 10' from the corral
Billis75
I remember back in the 80's, in Southern California, one of the big chains (Ralph's, which is now part of Kroger), used to have cart corrals spit out quarters to put your cart back (and it didn't cost a quarter to take one). People STILL didn't do it, so you had kids and sometimes homeless cleaning up carts in the parking lot, but I imagine that is potentially insurance claims waiting to happen.
torokunai
ALDI has these
Sironagold
... that's a statement of your morality though. You put it back because you don't want other people to suffer from your inaction.
ZK383
Correct, it is, but it isn't the reason used by this "Test" ... which says you're a good little drone if you save the grocery store money by doing their work for them. I think they need to employ more people with low skill capability, collecting carts, instead of guilt tripping people with this stupid "Test."
GriffinMann41
...a little drone? Dude what the fuck are you on about
ZK383
Pretty clear, isn't it? The reason to return a cart is so it doesn't damage other people's cars, not to save the grocery store money by having less lower skilled employees to gather them. These "Tests" of whether you're a good person unless you do this or that are just fucking annoying. Just be a good person, and don't buy into this propaganda promoted to save stores money.
Bollramm
So basically he is admitting that he would do horrible shit if there wasn't laws and police and courts stopping him. Wow......what a nice fellow, I hope he gets his citizenship soon.
JoshAndBurn
Pakistani Steve Harvey
WellIfIHaveTo
In the US, Republicans have a plan to make our society a right-wing Christian theocracy where women are chattel, so they could make this dude’s dream come true.
EXCEPT - he’s a brown guy, so he would be thrown into a camp and then deported before he ever got his chance.
DongleDingler
I once had an Uber driver explain his hate crime to me in detail while driving in the empty New Mexico desert (I was going for a hike), and it took me 5 minutes to get a word in to tell him that we passed my destination as we drove deeper into the desert. He turned around and dropped me off at my location, then asked if I had a weapon for coyotes and wildlife... I did not. I ran into one other person on my hike, but luckily no dangerous wildlife
ItsCaptain0bvious
Every single time you hear a religious person (mainly christians and muslims) say "if you don't believe in the holy book, you have no moral compass" it is implied that the only thing that stops their urges to harm others is the fear of punishment.
DeathLemons
Its allowed by their religion
datphone777365
So devils advocate here, but 1 he is technically abiding but said laws which is more then can be said for some folks and 2 those social contracts keep alot of folks in check but it doesnt assure it based on citizenship. Is it weird that he blurted that out hell yeah, but again he seems aware of the social expectations to a degree of his host country.
StarryPlough
Why did you type this
datphone777365
I stated why. But if ya have more specific questions in good faith im down for dialogue. But as a condensed point, guy admits in an other social structure he would act dif, that admission is important.
Ughffs
Could be worse, he could think of himself as above the law and do whatever he wants.
Bimmler
Nah, he said "how great is Canada?" he's happy that women can get in cars with strange men and not be kidnapped. He said she would have been .. if she was in Pakistan and did what she does in Canada. It's a cautionary tale, not a threat on film.
morrighan42
Yeah she's a cunt trying to record the end and make it sound bad
moxiefoxxy
We don’t actually know what happened.
CodingMoose
Most religious people think that the threat of eternal damnation is the only thing keeping civilization for falling into looting & pillaging
insertwittyjoke
They're probably right. A really shocking number of people are only kept in check through an appeal to a higher authority and the belief in a righteous reward for good behaviour. As a society I think we're in the process of rediscovering truths that past cultures had figured out a long time ago.
flamingflamingo
I’m coming to learn that a large reason society is stable and the reason why religions still exist is because a large percentage of people, maybe half or even more, would do terrible things if there weren’t any rules or consequences.
mandorsawalll
We are animals from the same planet as all other animals. It was like that for most of history. Force rules. Even in modern societies, lyws are enforced by, well, force. Police are just mercenaires. We all are. We get paid to do a job. If you don't get paid, you have to survive. You have to find food, shelter and procreate. Who does not do those things, does not pass the genes.
Foxsayy
"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
I'll just stick with the law.
mercyPandaRunner
The question is, how much of that is precisely because religions and laws are preventing people and societies from having to learn how to behave and live together.
I find religious people often to be underequipped to tackle such questions without deferring to a moral authority. And experiments (and history) have shown that humans readily delegate their ethical responsibility to laws, lawmakers and authority.
It's to me a bit like saying, "Toddlers falling over while trying to walk just shows >
mercyPandaRunner
why we as a society have decided to move around on electrical wheelchairs."
flamingflamingo
I mean as much as I detest religion—I mean I really really hate it, it is a cancer on human civilization and a poison to rational thought—I think many people are really just too stupid, lazy, and innately immoral to handle the responsibility of creating the personal code of ethics that every atheist must invent for themself.
I genuinely want to do good and help others, not to please a god, but to advance society and to foster a positive and supportive environment.
flamingflamingo
So yes I entirely agree with you.
That being said I don’t think religion is the only way to assert morals and just laws, it’s just the easiest.
We are slipping closer and closer to a secular society. Religions erode because they can’t change without losing their message, but science never changes, only advances.
If we can just stop killing one another to explore more art, science, and environmentalism, we might just stumble into an age of enlightenment
TZO2k15
I'm hoping for deportation to a small island populated only by spiders and snakes... I despise hardcore traditionalism, it breeds nothing but hatred and savage ignorance!
TZO2k15
Edit: On second thought, after reading some comments here, his heart may have been in the right place as he's most likely warning her, but still, it came off wrong… I wish Imgur had an edit function! :^P
datphone777365
We doing that to all weirdo attackers or just the "aliens"?
TZO2k15
ALL weirdo attackers, no exceptions!
Humans are humans no matter the nationality, as behaviour, good or ill, transcends borders!
datphone777365
Deal.
TZO2k15
I'm glad that you asked for clarification, as that shows that your heart's in the right place! As no human is above another, as we're all just furless apes spinning on a grassy rock in space!
youreathing
Right? Because citizens of this country don't do horrible shit like that at ALL. :/ What a completely normal take on this.
LordHotPie
Strawman. They never said nor implied that. Get madder over literally nothing
youreathing
Tell me what the driver's citizenship has to do with anything.
datphone777365
Your asking a valid question which every downvoter has lazily or cowardly avoided. So ill just flat out say his citizen status has zero bearing, it doesnt as it doesnt prevent citizens of his host nation from doing repugnant shit. But folks like to dabble in otherism when its vague enough.
datphone777365
Ehh this is a pretty lazy whataboutist attempt at devil advocate, ya would had better luck if ya had found a cultural tie for that practice. I know "kidnapping brides" is a thing in some cultures which doesnt condone it but it atleast explains the comment.
youreathing
I think what the driver said was 9000 kinds of horrible, but what does his citizenship have to do with anything? That was my point.
datphone777365
Oh i agree and mentioned that in an other post to the one you replied to.
youreathing
Just saw that one. Also agree.
LosPer
Yeah, all cultures are the same. 🙄🙄🙄
SelfDefenestrator
I don't think anyone ever tried to imply that
LosPer
As progs all over the country cosplay as terrorists. Give me a break.
EggFooYung
Yeah, all cultures have shitty people in 'em.
torokunai
I try not to be racist but I am willing to be bigoted in some areas; e,g. if your society was so great why are you here now??
This, alas, can also apply to me as I flee back to Japan (if they take me) this or next decade if indeed we really start going fascist here . . .
OhIfIMust
It's not bigotry if the place is an absolute shithole, and plenty of people are more than willing to confirm this about their place of origin.
LosPer
We are already fascist here: It's left-wing, identitarian fascism. Courtesy of Obama and Biden's staff, since Biden is out to lunch.
torokunai
thanks, Евгений
NightOwlRally
long shift today, comrade?
torokunai
posted the same response LOL