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SilverHarvest
Most of the states who do legalize it are removing those charges. but those states are not deferring other charges associated to that arrst
JimmyAllyoucaneatBuffett
Come on South Carolina, the alcohol is killing me. Get on board with the anti prohibition laws
SithShodan
I've been around stoners and drunks. 10 to 1, would rather be around stoners than drunk douches.
Blumberton
Friend always says "you drink and fight, you puff and make up".
SlagGroove
And a million mexicans. Lol cmon
JBPrewittWorldsGreatestHandModel
What
nonCanadianGoose
1. Why just the black dudes? 2. Federally speaking it’s still illegal. If a federal LEA was involved it doesn’t matter what the state thinks
TheLastSpaceman
Canada calls it "Pot Pardon"
CairoLen
Should expunge records, clear them completely.
ispentwaytoolongthinkingaboutthis
Canada is releasing all jailed people and all records will be erased for those convicted of cannabis possession.
snuffcarcass
Oh, Canada...
ORCNOTPORK
As long as they weren't in possession of an illegal weapon and/or committing a violent crime at the time of their arrest, sure.
YourLocalSatanist
Now lets hope Psychedelics will follow in the Devil's Lettuce's foot steps.
AxelBeingCivil
"A million"? You're swinging way below the actual number, friend.
TheCapedProcrastinator
I think this is the plan for Whitmer (Michigan governor elect). There was a story today about county prosecutors dropping weed charges.
captjackvane
But think about all the trivial conviction money we would lose! Won't someone think about the rich prison corporations?!?!
Cereaza
Unfortunately, Marijuana is illegal on the Federal level, and many people in jail would need Presidential Pardons to get out.
TheCapedProcrastinator
Only if the person has been convicted of a federal crime. If it was a state charge the governor has the authority.
Normalface
I had heard that. I certainly hope she goes through with it.
Butwhatwouldiwear
What’s it part of the proposed ballot?
jorynagel
I believe so. That was a big reason my family voted for it.
ppcopter69
It wasn't, there is no part on the ballot for reversing convictions, but as stated above, our governer-elect is planning on doing that
illbeinmybunkknockfirst
Elections have co sequences
pookieeatworld
This is a good consequence, though.
illbeinmybunkknockfirst
Duh
mavruda
Legalizing it will make it more available to public and medical industries will not be able to sell their expensive medications... wait
pyr0chaos
That would mean that the for-profit prisons will have less slaves. And that just wont do, no sir bob.
Blumberton
With Sessions gone it might just. He personally owns multiple for-profit prisons and worked hard to keep his slaves.
imadethistopostthedick
the rep that introduced rec legalization in PA had that in his proposal i believe
EyesOnICE
If they do that they will just start a Cash for Grandparents scheme...
Onlyhereforthelaughs
State's gonna pay a lot of prison fees though. That's why they fill them. - Adam Ruins Prison
taco1910
Got to employ those veterans some how
peeweepeterson
If a black man from the hood in Chicago who was president of the USA don’t make it legal. A kracker from an up scale neighbourhood ain’t
bripi
O not exactly "from the hood" in Chicago. I like where ya went with this, though, so it's funny!
DivorcedOfCourse
Medical is now legal in IL
TehSpirit
From what i can tell he did not set foot in chicago until he was around 24 yrs old and did not settle down there officially until he was 30.
strangelyaddicting
This is tricky... But I believe if a society changes course, individuals in jail for said crime should be set free. Sorta like witchcraft.
nipnibbler
Except wichtcraft isn't real, false equivalency.
Blumberton
Well it's come to light that dangers of marijuana, much like witchcraft, do not exist. So pretty correct. :D
TedTheMan
Washington state?
Raidenn
It annoys me that Washington D.C. isn't in Washington
realestatebroker
Just think of it as the city Washington in the District of Columbia. Many states have a Washington city.
rattailribbon
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spoodfighter
Seattle just reversed convictions for weed, about 500 of them. https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/25/health/seattle-vacates-weed-charges-trnd/index
TedTheMan
That is a great start.
Warblade
Yes they should. And then the prison system should be switched from a for profit to a non-profit exclusively aimed at rehabilitation.
SomeDetroitGuy
Now that Michigan voted to legalize recreational cannabis, the new governor (Whitmer) has said she will use her clemency powers to release
SomeDetroitGuy
folks convicted for minor pot charges - basically, if the conduct is going to be legal now, she's granting clemency.
StephenBB81
can't wait for the class action suit for people wanting their fines refunded, and retribution pay for time served.
SomeDetroitGuy
If they were lawfully convicted of crimes they actually did, they're out of luck. Just because it's legal now doesn't change that. Clemency
SomeDetroitGuy
will, however, expunge their records so they won't have convictions showing up in background checks.
popejubal
In cases like that, individual suits are tossed out and class status is not granted. This is not any kind of new legal territory.
Carefuler
"Safest recreational drug" =/= safe.
MrOwenWilson
By admittance to the hospital, safest drug is actually magic mushrooms. Possibly because of the # of weed smokers compared to shroom users.
AJerkyMcJerkface
It’s for cheap state run prison labor. And because of racist geriatric judges and boomer voters who voted for minimum sentencing
AJerkyMcJerkface
And now that privatized prisons are a thing you’ll see a lot of representatives fighting hard for the prison system that promotes recidivism
AJerkyMcJerkface
The prison industrial complex. Democrats or Republicans, it doesn’t matter. What matters is who’s paying them to change their morale compass
Insomnia297
To my knowledge, they already do unless it wasn't the only charge. Ie, only weed = free, weed + crack = no reduction of jail time.
ManInTheBox21
JUST SAY PEOPLE INSTEAD OF 'BLACK PEOPLE' christ....
popejubal
Since the marijuana laws were directly targeted at black and brown people, pointing out the race is relevant and important here.
Potatopeelerkind
There are a disproportionately high amount of black people in jail for that particular crime. But you're right, it sucks for everyone.
AxelBeingCivil
No. Even though white people actually use marijuana more than black people, black Americans are over four times as likely to be arrested (1)
AxelBeingCivil
for possession. There's blatant racial issues in drug law enforcement. See: https://www.aclu.org/gallery/marijuana-arrests-numbers (2)
MissLadyPants
I think fl just tried to pass something like this. It not sure if it passed
marsgoose
Millennials are killing the prison profiteering industry.
Blumberton
Literally what Sessions thinks probably. Dude gon lose a lot of his slavelabor.
marsgoose
Well he got fired so that's something
Blumberton
Yep
Popspoppingit
Being safe doesn't mean it wasn't illegal. Criminals.
Blumberton
Ye but it's kinda rediculous it's illegal while alcohol and tobacco are legal. We shouldnt just obey laughable laws either tbh.
Howdoyougetaonearmedblondeoutofatreeyouwave
*people
trisexualgardengnome
Black drug dealers matter though.
MongolianGod
As a person who has interacted with black market weed sellers I can honestly say those guys sell alot more shit than weed 1/2
MongolianGod
Almost all illegal marijuana sellers have xanax, ecstacy, little bit of cocaine and a shit ton of acid and shrooms 2/2
eddsteele88114
In need of acid or shrooms for sure
eddsteele88114
Can keep the weed
Insomnia297
Sure, but not all of them and not all buyers go for the heavier stuff. Iirc, those with only weed charges get out, those with multiple stay
Insomnia297
the same (ie, no reduction of jail time)
Alkuam2
People don't seem to understand that if they've knowingly broken the law that they are likely to do so again or broken others like you said.
flarflarf
ever exceeded the speed limit?
trisexualgardengnome
Yup, and even though I had gotten a ticket a while back, I still occasionally might speed. Proves his point.
AngryRogueMage
If states didn't have a required minimum capacity for jails they might do that. End the prison-for-profit system.
trisexualgardengnome
I get your point, but a very minuscule percent of prisoners are actually in “for profit” prisons...
omh2
Public prisons also run the same types of labor programs, providing near 0 cost labor.
ERICMC2
The hell is minimum capacity? We're over capacity because they won't commit funds to a new facility and the county is growing.
Potatopeelerkind
Why the hell do you have a minimum capacity? Everywhere else we're trying to reduce the amount of people in jail!
Robvp
Because our corporate overlords need the slaves to make profits and keep their “made in the usa” stickers
BearTheHobbit
omh2
The US uses inmates as labour, they are exempt from wage laws, so they can pay them a few $/day and it's completely legal...
majinrat
only way to have legal slaves?
Vyrro
The problem with ending for profit prisons is that the few already rich ppl that run them wont be as rich as they want to be...merica
Sage042000
Well hey, like that louisiana sheriff said, if you let all the good ones out, who's gonna wash his car?
filben7
End the anything-government-for-profit system
imgjim
No, v that would be government officials for profit. Government demonstrably does not profit.
HitlersArtCritic
Something something communism.
waitwasthatreal
There aren’t a whole lot of people in private prisons for marijuana related charges.
taco1910
So what are the numbers then?
Weregerbil2
Dude's getting downvoted for the truth, and he even brought sources. Imgur, you are in rare form tonight.
taco1910
Where the sources at?
wafflebridge
A few comments above this one.
EDawgSlim
The for-profit-prisons are fucked dude. Rationally it makes sense but ethically and morally its disgusting
waitwasthatreal
I agree they aren’t good for society, but they aren’t housing incredible numbers of people in for marijuana offenses.
usersubbordercontrol
There's a fair amount man. Other safe recreational drugs too.
waitwasthatreal
The number for marijuana is somewhere around 2,000 as a high estimate for everything from possession to distribution related to marijuana.
omh2
That's the prison vs jail distinction, I would actually be curious how much of the labor/profit issues are shared between the 2
AngryRogueMage
That's still ~2k inmates to replace, who are they going to arrest? Politicians? HA! Ha! ha.. Aw, Now I'm sad.
buttbuttpartywagon
I'm asking both of you to provide sources for this
waitwasthatreal
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/dofp12.pdf
waitwasthatreal
And then private prisons house 8% of prisoners, so with numbers from all of those you can calculate it.
waitwasthatreal
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/14/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-people-are-getting-prison-sent/
EvilKrikkit
All non-violent weed offenders need to have their judgments reversed.
seechickens
Now that Jeff Sessions is gone it's somewhat realistic to start that discussion (:
WardSharlow
Whenever I smoke weed, my judgments are questionable, but it's not that bad.
SomeGrayFox
And past judgements expunged.
UserNameRegister
Just because they were arrested for something that is now legal doesn't change the fact that they broke the law.
waitwasthatreal
That’s fine and all, but you aren’t talking about a whole lot of people in prison.
KellyanneAlternativeFacts
Define "not a whole lot" because there are waaaay too many
waitwasthatreal
Maybe 2,000 for all marijuana charges, from possession to trafficking in massive volumes.
SteveNotSteve
Stoners really like this myth that prisons are full of recreational users. It's not true and never has been.
MagicBaconBits
And if the law changes back to illegal again in the future they would have their judgments reversed back to the original?
backrideup9
I got a speeding ticket for 65 in a 55 once. Should I be reimbursed plus interest now that the speed limit is 70? Not gonna happen.
BrofessorDumbleBro
Exactly.
ChernobylCowboy
No, because you speed could have killed other people. Weed doesn't harm others, if it was harmful
AmZero85
Dont cut yourself on all that edge.
pookieeatworld
Did you fucking go to jail? I don't think so.
ENCHANTMEN
Driving higher than the speed limit is Illegal because it endangers other people.
CitizenDickbag
What a specious comparison. Speeding tickets aren't criminal convictions, they're moving traffic violations. They don't show up on criminal
CitizenDickbag
2/ background checks that can severely hamper employment and housing opportunities. And you don't spend months/years in jail for them.
TheeRealDuke
Should you vs will you. You should. And we should get charged less when we ask for fewer toppings on burgers.
ClassicSean
Nah, he shouldnt.
Ireallydonthaveanyideawhattonamemyself
Almost all nonviolent offenders dont belong in prison anyways.
PresidentDwayneElizondoHerbertCamacho
Bernie Madoff is a non- violent offender. You cool with letting him get back to business?
Ireallydonthaveanyideawhattonamemyself
Not being in prison and letting him go back to defrauding people are two entirely separate things.
PresidentDwayneElizondoHerbertCamacho
If you know of a way to keep someone as sophisticated as him from defrauding people outside of prison, I’d be interested to hear it.
Voidhawk42
Pay a guy to follow him around all day with a sign that says "this guy is a conman". Probably costs less than a jail cell.
nonCanadianGoose
There’s lots of conmen and swindlers that really deserve to be behinds bars
nonCanadianGoose
It’s still federally illegal, anyone imprisoned by a federal LEA would need the supreme to overturn their verdict
Cereaza
Or a Presidential Pardon.
PickleRick
well we did just get rid of that gerbil jeff sessions so...
muchLongerUsername
And Pete! He was blocking a lot of bills in committee.
pookieeatworld
Yeah michigan has trafficking issues still going on, but the bigger problem right now is the I-94 meth pipeline. I'm hoping some of the ~
pookieeatworld
tax revenue will go towards the opioid and meth crisis around here.
GriffinMann41
Meth pipeline? As in like, liquid meth, or am I missing some term or slang here?
pookieeatworld
Basically Interstate 94 runs from Detroit to Chicago and it's become a major trafficking route for meth...
GriffinMann41
Ah, okay. Was really concerned that someone had somehow developed liquid meth. Imagine that shit