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kcool951
Even if she was. That Industry is based on someones self worth. You chose how much you are worth and willing to work for.
GravyEducation
Alec Guinness also negotiated for royalties in his Star Wars contract. Made a bunch of money
tivvybrixx
SlimSam
So for example, it's also men's fault when a woman has either a shitty agent or manager and/or business sense / negotiation skills? ?♂️
LiquidSodium
Neither of these two things are enough to debunk or confirm the pay gap
cooplander
Don't forget Nicholson raking in 90 million off Batman in the same way. Also happened to be a WB film.
Vergenbuurg
DeVito asked Nicholson for advice when he was approached for Batman Returns; Nicholson's response was, "Try to get the deal I got."
JustDontCare
And this is why Scar Jo is pissed the fuck off. Because they said they'd pay her the theatre profits and proceed to not release it properly.
Imalwaysready
Keanu made $35M off the Matrix, NOT a quarter billion. Hell, the move only made about $460M, you think they gave him a ~60% back-end deal?
Someshithead241
The pay gap being perpetuated by misleading numbers and statistics? Why I never... /s
Crowlands
Also, Henry Cavill is a bigger name and better actor, so him earning more seems reasonable to me.
carrotsonfire
How much did she get paid after, though?
madroxide86
For how mediocre she is as an actress, id be okay with her getting paid less. Just my unpopular opinion.
hawks88
Why do we people argue over entertainers making more money in one movie than some people will make in their lifetime?
VodkaReindeer
You know how companies do accounting so that they don't make a profit to be taxed? Movie companies do the same to avoid paying actors.
jursamaj
OK: what cut is she getting?
adam002232
“Twins” apparently made de Vito and Schwarzenegger rich in the same manner
breach1
Thinking about how much these people get paid makes me want to throw up.
ZougasNewFist
See also mark Hamil and Harrison ford for star wars
TAPMayhem
Dawn Welles (Mary Ann) did this for Gilligan's Island. Only cast member who got residuals decades later.
TsubakiTragic
So, drop dead gorgeous and smart as a whip... got it.
tempmike
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHL91HQzhuc
GRZMNKY
Probably one reason she lived so long
TheMeanGombeen
I started to tell that story and you beat me to it.
DarthDrizzt42
I believe Jerry Seinfeld is the only one getting residuals from Seinfeld for the same reason. None of the others thought to do it
sunnydayingermany
this makes the Ginger vs Mary Ann choice a bit easier
DarkSock
It was always an easy choice; sweet cornfed spinner Mary Ann…
majorkira9
Those poor people.
drivetankhitcars
OphelianAshe
MeestowKitty
A ship. Only this big. A clever ruse!
TheBurritoConfederacy
Sketchy "Hollywood accounting" makes it really hard to transparently validate this stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
TheBurritoConfederacy
Which is surely a main factor in why misinformation about it is easy to spread. That, plus NDAs and other contractually sealed lips.
istalir
Just remember to negotiate for a portion of the gross and not the net, that’s how David Prowse got fucked over for Star Wars.
PangolinBan
Seems weird calling it the net when his portion still has to come out of it to be honest, but I'm no financial wiz.
LTSmasher001
I learned this as a child: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHL91HQzhuc
TorvicIsSanta
fucked over WB? an individual fucked over a major film distributor? sounds a little bootlicky
TurduckenMcNugget
Agree. He's taking a percentage of the profits. It only costs them because they're making so much money.
TorvicIsSanta
plus, studios have tons of loopholes to underreport the profits and fuck over individuals being paid this way.
ErshinMN
Yeah phrasing it as if he screwed them somehow is just ridiculous. Oh, no, they got slightly less money from their huge commercial success.
Gianttesticlemonster
I remember Connery got offered some INSANE cut (like 15% of box?) To play Gandalf and turned it down because he didn't understand it.
AdrianDunne
I think the Gandalf we got worked out quite well tbh.
maugriman
That may be a payday regret for him, but its good he didnt take the role only for the pay and not know how portray the role. Better for us
DoNotQuitYourDayJob
He also turned down Dumbledore in HP because he didn't understand it either...
Falkh12
Maybe he had the wrong kind of wizard in mind?
ShennanigansAplenty
And after seeing what a mistake it was, he jumped on League of Extraordinary Gentlemen out of fear he would miss out again.
PolarHailStorm
Knowing which movies to star in and hoping to make it big is the same as stocks for poor people.
heys5005
And then he quit acting forever after that.
ShennanigansAplenty
Pretty sad. LXG was not the best movie, but I enjoyed it.
RetrogradeLlama
"Moichendising!" -- Mel Brooks, Space Balls.
C110PR
-Yogurt
NeverDownvoteMelBrooks
dailydnb
Man, I would devour some cheese balls rn
vonkeswick
"Spaceballs" - The Comment
cuntybumsox
Yoghurt the wise
C110PR
Yogurt the All-powerful!
cuntybumsox
Yoghurt the magnificent!!
nickwinters
Yet he wasn't allowed to merchandise Space Balls
NonFungibleUsername
Still waiting on Spaceballs 2 - The Soych for More Money.
bolinotoyou
' that's where the real-money is made, '
Undrave
That's how Lucas made it big!
Fuckweasel
lennyleonard86
You da man Fuckweasel.
Badger028
ShamanOfHigh
oh look *more* shitty ragebait on imgur - can we please stop upvoting this garbage
insegrevious
Imgur is all about gut reaction emotional political activism. They want likes for their shitty political positions.
chefsoda
It’s how Alec Guinness made his fortune from Star Wars. $3M in salary, $100M in points & residuals.
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
Saved me from making this comment.
MinistryOfSillyTalks
[David Prowse nodding amusedly]
nickasaurusrex83
https://youtu.be/3IxN0N35skE
khora
Kind of how George Lucas made his fortune from Star Wars too. Studio got the movie revenue and he the toy money.
Kbantar
You have to admit though. The idea of a giant toy franchise from that first movie sounds absurd without hindsight.
chefsoda
There's a great docu series on Netflix called The Toys That Made US w/an amazing episode on SW. It was a crazy longshot that hit big
Kbantar
I say that having been born in 1974 and a kid during the height of the toy craze. I loved them, but I imagine what execs may have thought.
buttdestroyer
I honestly don't care about actor,/actress salaries, they make more acting one role than a regular person does working proper, exhausting >
WeMistbornsNeedNotMakeSense
It's a highly competitive field. For each popular actor/actress, who knows how many failed to make end meets in the industry.
buttdestroyer
Jobs for a decade or a lifetime. Hollywood actors are some of the most overrated people of our time.
neonkrypton
Yet they generate wealth for the studios, more than they are paid.
poochyena
well, usually at least
POChinaski
So do most professionals.
CurbYourClassWar
Who the fuck do you think built your 3000 dollar smart phone and everything else in your life?
HedonistBeard
Someone who can't act.
robotr0b0t
Was it Henry Cavill?
Bacxaber
With all the PC building, he's too busy to make any phones.
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
I think George Lucas did a similar thing, with all the toys and lunchboxes and stuff.. I think they regretted this very quickly.
sciboy
The studio had no faith in the film. Merchandising wasn’t a thing then so he was able to negotiate keeping the merch and sequels rights.
rhitard
Nobody saw Star Wars being a hit. Before release, Fox had to Force cinemas to screen it by bundling it with a more highly anticipated film.
TrueLegateDamar
An erotic thriller who almost no one now has even heard of, let alone remembers.
Tahroo
Lucas made very little on the original toys, which is why the prequels came so much later, so he could change the toy contract.
cryborg
I think the pay gap is a bigger issue with the crewmembers who make a lot less money.
EvilGnome
So..... he's playing himself......?
Newlyof
Tbf the people i know who work behind the scenes in Film or TV earn good money, if they make it through the first couple of years.
IThinkALot
Unless they get shot and killed
Newlyof
True, but the people I'm thinking of do daytime telly in the UK or a shiny floor show on a weekend.
Jamesstin
Yeah. Trade unions always pay well. I hate when people use their Krogers union or some shit as example of all unions being bad
ILikeRespondingWithWillSmithGifs
I need more John Wick Figurines.
Mechfan
I'd pay to see this "Sound Guy" myself: https://youtu.be/1ojcUwSlEHk
Sonicschilidogs
Maybe slightly, but also, it isn't the crew members that are bringing audiences to the theatres.... Maybe a little 0.01% of the cut for each
Sonicschilidogs
Member would be good, on top of their salary, and them just scale back exec. Salaries.
bluefrenchhorn
I mean, they are bringing the audience in, just less noticeably. Can’t have a movie without actors, but also not without props, cameras, etc
Smittywerbenjagermenjenson
Yes, but an actor normally also doubles as an advertising piece via socials and what not. That is normally paid with the main contract. 1/2
Smittywerbenjagermenjenson
2/2 The crew is very important and deserves more pay for sure, but a mediocre crew with an A-list actor will make more than the reverse.
DaveDreamsOfDumplings
Nobody is dropping $20 to go to the theatre because Phil Smith was the lead gaffer on the latest Marvel flick. You draw money, you make it.
ShitpostsAndLotsOfThem
Tell a good story and do it well and your cast doesn’t need to be known. Star Wars is a prime example. Beyond obiwan, they were all unknown
DaveDreamsOfDumplings
And I say this having a friend who is a gaffer...and lives waaaay better than I do.
raptorlight3000
And films with inept crews, made poorly, will bomb and be ridiculed. Vfx artists have been shat on for years despite being "important"
DontTazeMeBrah
Phil Smith is the GOAT and how dare you besmirch his name
TheRealFireFrenzy
I dunno man Philip Dunn has been making mad waves recently...
DysgraphicProgrammer
I'm not even sure what a gaffer is.
xMOISEx
Not to be confused with a FLUFFER
WorstShotEver
Thats the person who blowdries malamutes. Dont mistake that for a STUFFER tho!
IxnayOnTheOttenRay
They're electricians. They set up lights, etc.
LurkerOfDarkness
Aka, the people they forgot to hire for the first season of STD.
cm77
Also decent writers, actors and script supervisors
calliente1
Department Head of Electrical. They are usually the DP/DOP right hand.
AntikytheraMechanism31415
The phil smith action from black widow is awesome.
TheAmberMusicBox
Even low paid crew are on $45ph and you get paid to wait most of the time…plus meals. Most are stoked to do it instead of live or theatre
calliente1
This wage is incorrect. Far from incorrect.
DeadArcadian
Am I super bad at reading but is one of these meant to be 'correct'?
calliente1
Far from correct. Apologies. 45/hour for entrance employees? As if. I work in the industry. You're lucky if it's 20,/hour.
TheAmberMusicBox
Lol sorry guys, should have maybe commented ‘the wage gap between America & the rest of the developed world is the issue’
jacouu
What does that mean that Americans get paid more or less? Because both are true depending on where you're looking
jacouu
In Cali and when on set maybe but in Georgia in the construction department the lowest wage is $27.23 nothing to scoff at sure but we also
jacouu
Don't "wait around" considering we have to build the sets and alter them up to the day of filming since directors like to change their mind
cm77
So, doing what you are paid for is bad?
jacouu
Not at all but saying everyone in the film business makes 45$ an hour and waits around all day is massively wrong, I enjoy my job but 1/2
BoomerSooner767
No one goes to the movie to see one of the 500 CGI guys who worked on the Matrix, they paid to see the top billed cast.
ariogre
Tbh most people go cause it looks cool. I think a smaller subset than one thinks goes cause "omg steve popular" is in it. Depends on genre
Valharroth
Yeah, can't think of a single movie I've gone to see because I wanted to see the actor specifically. Definitely some who do care though.
Sonicschilidogs
More artistic actors I do do that for. I've watched movies I otherwise wouldn't have because of the cast, and I knew they would be good
Sonicschilidogs
Performances. Al Pacino, RDJ, Sam Jackson, Denzel Washington, Val Kilmer, and Leo Decaprio for examples
sauronater
I feel like many of them make a solid living. I think a lot of them are in a union
therealpopkiller
Some, but not all. Source: me
ariogre
I think it can vary, you're probably right in most cases
calliente1
Depends on the union. Have you all not hear of the almost IATSE strike in the US? Would have shut down industry (I'm Canadian, support!)
SJBSavageInk
On large pictures like that most of them are but there is a lot of shady shit where there are also a lot of non union people.
MonochromeVisage
Member of IATSE here: the union provides a bottom line so we can't be COMPLETELY boned by production. Not always proportional to labor.
HeroicSheperd
Until hollywood moves production to Canada to avoid guild mandated rates. Hollywood execs are as bad as 1% CEOs and it needs to stop
AlexVanPutten
IATSE operates in Canada as well. They go to Eastern Europe for that
HeroicSheperd
Supernatural, The Boys, Handmaiden’s Tale, Star Trek Discovery, Umbrella Academy, all taking advantage of their crews and not paying fairly
magicrhombus
Movie crews often work 12-16 hour days. Shit is nuts.
Itslukus
The only issue those dudes have with is it is when we can't make triple time.. bitch I just worked 18 hours, 8 days in a row,1/2
Itslukus
Why only give me time? At some point just make it triple time and lay me my dues for giving my life sway
TheDizzyToast
That's nothing dude I worked a full 60 hour in one day
Navrodel
On the one hand, a good union salary is nothing to turn your nose at. On the other, that one role nets Keanu enough that a single person >
Navrodel
> getting it could live off the interest from it and never need to work another day in their life. And that's every year.
Navrodel
Sure, you spread out the royalties to all the people on a credit roll, and it won't be that big of a deal, but it won't be nothing either.
Navrodel
(and that's before we talk about how much bank the executives are walking away with that should be split, too.)
PerpetuityPhoto
Tell me you don't know how film crews work without telling me you don't know how film crews work.
suchmanywatermelons
Go the fuck back to Twitter along with that phrase or learn how to not be a cunt to people who may be unsure about a thing.
PerpetuityPhoto
If you're unsure about a thing, then Shut the Everloving Fuck Up until you know more. Or maybe consider ASKING, instead of Declaring.
ariogre
He's not wrong about the statement vs question when unsure thing. It's how a lot of misinformation gets spread here.
PerpetuityPhoto
Union or not, you get industry rates, and ESPECIALLY in union gigs, you get screwed in favor of seniority pretty much always.
PerpetuityPhoto
You don't get benefits, you don't get coverage for health or in many cases even accidents on the worksite, no workman's comp...
PerpetuityPhoto
... You often get screwed out of any unemployment at all because you're a contractor, and once shooting wraps? You're out of luck.
mikekearn
That's illegal, so there's no way that's union work. Shady under the table work, maybe, but no contract can exempt you from workman's comp.
INeverReadTheTOS
I mean, Keanu probably took that option because he, too, thought it would result in lower pay.
notagudnoodle
So should I ask Keanu to give me money to pay for college?
Gastroboi
Keanu has immortal money.
DiamondDogLedTasso
Probably the only person who if he became a Billionaire the internet wouldn't roast hardcore for being a Billionaire
SerenePrincess013
I like to think that if he broke that amount, he'd find a way to spread it out to as many people as he could.
TheRimOfTheSky
This. He already gave a bunch of his matrix earnings to other movie staff. He knows he'd never spend the money in several lifetimes.
fbutt09
He’s such a nice guy - didn’t he not donate some of his pay to the support staff? (I read that - validate my if need be)
ForestRed
Double negative =O
Rolsun
It's not real.
iamdeadlol
So people lie on the internet?
Rolsun
AvatarTommyBee
I would have liked to see that contract. Ppl. working on StarWars never saw a penny from the surplus. Those movies never account a surplus.
Spudd86
There's movie with the credit "Oprah Noodlemantra as Johnny Depp" except that it's actually Depp playing himself because SAG rules said/1
electrajet
George Harrison used to do this, too. Just before he died, he was credited on a record as Rip DuMort.
Spudd86
He'd have to charge some minimum amount if he used his SAG name based on how much he's made previously, but it was a tiny movie that/2
Spudd86
couldn't afford even the minimum. So he made up a new name.
ProudAussie
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oprah%20noodlemantra
Spudd86
I was thinking of LA Without a Map, where he plays the poster for Dead Man coming alive.
CoryParsnipson
Huh? Why would Keanu purposefully want lower pay?
WeMistbornsNeedNotMakeSense
So he can continue taking the train and bus.
raknor88
He's immortal. He doesn't really need the money.
irvingb01
Why not? Immortal people gotta eat too.
mikekearn
Do they? I guess it depends on the immortality clause they have.
Idonotbelievewehavecompany
Because he is a decent human being and legit tries to help people.
thevortexmaster
He also takes pay cuts to get better actors like with Devils Advocate as the other guy said. Took a pay cut and got Al Pacino
daromander
I don't think saving the movie studio money is helping people. The studio usually has enough money.
ThatShiftyMonkey
If he saves the studio money, they can spend more of the movie budget on staffers and other actors.
daromander
They can but they don't always do so
CoryParsnipson
But he donates so much to charities and to movie staff. Wouldnt it be better to want him to have more money to do those things?
Idonotbelievewehavecompany
The way he does it works for him, why not keep at it?
CoryParsnipson
I was wondering why he (or anyone) would go against their own interests by going for less pay. Not trying to tell him how to live his life