azazyel
77879
1405
35
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1181282104308424704
Oct 7, 2019 7:32 PM
azazyel
77879
1405
35
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1181282104308424704
OBM1
Unpopular Opinion Puffin - this warrants more news coverage than Hong Kong.
AnythingMuchShorter
Oddly on CNN's front page I haven't seen any real mention of it at all. Mostly Ukraine call stuff and a few other stories.
MicentennialBan
This is a fucking nightmare... Recently former military intelligence..
mymindisaterriblethingtowaste
Must have done alot of damage
died0
This is bad. Besides that, Trump is screwed.
EightyMeterLongDong
You're an airstrike
SarcasticSpazz
Alright Trumpeteers. Make this seem okay.
emotionaldyslexic
Fuck that fucking Russian-bought monster.
EightyMeterLongDong
Staying completely away from taking a side on this, I do love watching people who spoke out against US policing the world now asking for it.
yzark01
Policing the world != abandoning your allies to genocide.
noptic
There is a huge difference between ending a conflict and just running away and leaving your allies to die.
JesusofMethlehem
because of Trumps announcement of removing troops hours ago? or were they going to do this anyway. I suspect the former.
Cheomesh
Waiting for signal.
zaphod
There are all of 50 troops there and they are being moved to elsewhere in Syria, so if even real, do you think Turkey held off because of 50
chilllad
Killing a token 50 americans can get Turkey invaded in the wrong political context.
obviouslytom
Why should the US stay in the ME? It won't solve their problems, only delay the inevitable killing of each other
Unforgiven101
Isn't this how Alkida started? The US abandoned them after using them in a proxy war then they swore revenge.
dnd3edm1
clearly the solution is more proxy war
MiyagieOne
Yes, not every detail but its similar.
md22mdrx
Trump is a traitor to the USA and smokes the poles of dictators like Putin & Erdogan. He even admits his decision is based on personal gain
Beleg7
If true, this is a very fast response time. Possible they knew it was coming? Edrogan is Trump's 4th favorite murderous dictator.
frankenmullet22
Mattis resigned because trump wanted to this months ago
LordSyphilis
Mattis resigned because he is a warhawk, like so many others in the admin--past and present.
frankenmullet22
No he resigned because he would not be the warhawk trump wanted
LordSyphilis
Tell me again how Mattis wasn't on board with military action over Iran, and how Trump is a warhawk in any way.
TheOlympusKing
NOT...OUR...PROBLEM
LoudBirb
We asked the Kurds to take down their defenses out there based on the promise that we'd defend them if attacked. So kinda our problem.
RedOvermorrow
Well the Kurds are our allies so it kind of is our problem.
LoudAngryJerk
...ANYMORE... because theyre no longer of use... right?
carrot1sie
ABSOLUTELY ....OUR....PROBLEM
KhajiitIsPleased
What exactly does this entail? Besides the chances for a war
dnd3edm1
it entails a slew of instantaneous news coverage so that someone with a fat, bloody wallet can keep it fat and make it more bloody
MachineInterface
"So it begins"??? So the 8 years if Syrian Civil War so far don't count?
DVSBSTrD
It may surprise you to know that Turkey and Syria are not the same country.
MachineInterface
But Turkey has been involved in the Syrian civil war since almost the beginning; they started arming and training Syrian rebels as early as>
MachineInterface
2012, and when the Kurds looked like they were going to capture the whole length of the border, Turkey directly intervened militarily to >
MachineInterface
prevent this. There's been direct Turkish military presence in Syria for several years already.
Chaapai
Why do we even have s 25th amendment if we are not going to use it?!
rufelineme
We only have 2000 troops. If we stay & defend a non-NATO ally against Turkey which IS a NATO ally, we violate a treaty & r at war w/ Turkey.
LoudBirb
Not necessarily the case. NATO is a mutual defense treaty. Compels to assist when attacked specifically "by an external party". Turkey is...
LoudBirb
The attacker in this case, not the one being attacked. The US could probably justify defending the established territory of a US ally.
rufelineme
And if the Kurds fight against Turkey we’d be called to defend Turkey. Anyway - Turkey is reportedly meeting with USA to make deal
LoudBirb
Well, no that's what I'm saying. Mutual defense pacts generally don't compel when you're fighting to take territory, only to defend yours.
LoudBirb
Since Turkey is leaving it's own borders to attack someone else, I don't believe NATO compels assistance. Or even non-intervention.
rufelineme
The Washington Treaty doesn’t make a distinction on the standing of an aggressor within the allience. An attack’s an attack as per Article 5
Cheomesh
Cabinet would never go for it.
nabacular
No war for oil in the middle east! Bring our boys home! *Trump removes troops* No, not like that!
dnd3edm1
fuck the kurds, bring 'em home
malikcarr
Shocking how many hard-held beliefs are actually pretty flexible when partisanship gets factored in. Politics as sports is terrible.
dnd3edm1
The kurds are a great people and a great story which war profiteers hang onto in order to shape public opinion of bad policy
mothmanual2016
Yet Obama orders 4 times more drone strikes in his first 2 years in office than Bush did for 2 whole terms and gets a Nobel peace Prize.
dnd3edm1
yeah obama should have shut that shit down. still better than a ground war in Asia. Bush is human excrement
falconfluffer5772
Shhhhh orange man bad
dnd3edm1
thanks for stating the obvious
AnythingMuchShorter
Thank you for confirming that trump supporters dont see the nuance in anything. We should send troops into fewer situations but removing
AnythingMuchShorter
Them must be done with care. That's part of the reason you can't deploy them haphazardly.
nabacular
That's not an incorrect statement. Pulling the troops out would shift balance of power. But the left that condemns Trump now and never 1/2
nabacular
Condemned Obama when he pulled out of Iraq and called ISIS "the JV team" are a bunch of hypocrites. 2/2
mothmanual2016
"Nuance" A fancy way to say "Different rules apply for my party, but I can't really explain why I hold them to different standards."
AnythingMuchShorter
I did explain, it just must have exceeded your capacity to read.
Grieger
“Unmatched wisdom”...more like the wisdom of a match...just letting Turkey finish the job of wiping out the Kurds in the region...ffs
AnythingMuchShorter
To be fair, very few people match that level of wisdom. But not in a "it's too high" sort of way
joot
Fuck Donald Trump. That dipshit is just about single handedly responsible for these deaths.
elcee50
Do we have other sources on this? Not accusing OP of anything I've just never heard of ELINT and I can't find much on this elsewhere.
Beleg7
I'm seeing it reported by commondreams.org. I'm not familiar with them, but a quick search makes them seem at least decently reliable.
azazyel
Been looking for them, Daily Mail says that Turkey is saying it didn't happen. But it is spreading on Twitter quite fast.
ShadeEmberi
yes...the daily mail, a bastion of truth
LoudBirb
So... since they Daily Mail is reporting it didn't happen, does that mean it did?
azazyel
https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/6cbfb4e8-b987-4f8e-b241-84c7c0b177df
azazyel
Honestly I am waiting until I get more confirmation about this. So far very few people are reporting this. I hope to god it's not true.
ishouldprobablybeworkingrightnow
It's true
DVSBSTrD
Hope https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-administration-appears-to-reverse-syria-decision-following-backlash/ar-AAIqIMv?li=BBnb7Kz
HughGRecti0n
You’re part of the problem. How about wait first, gather facts, confirm, THEN post.
blackrasputin
It’s not like turkey was trying to hide the fact they were about to invade.
eppir
RT claims Turkish & Kurdish sources both denied it within about 3 hours of the initial post. So with no other reporting at all, I say fake.
azazyel
https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/6cbfb4e8-b987-4f8e-b241-84c7c0b177df
azazyel
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7546271/UN-prepares-worst-Trump-steps-aside-let-Turkey-invade-Syria.html
died0
Did not expect this do fast. Good post btw
DetectiveSloth
US support was the only thing stopping Turkey from invading. And Iraq is in pieces right now.
MiyagieOne
Time for a 3rd Genocide! Oh, wait i mean first!
daily3
What is the Arab world’s hard-on against the Kurds about??
MiyagieOne
Kurds dont want to be ruled they prefer a democracy.
EroticZombiePants
Sometimes they get bored of hating Israel.
rufelineme
Turkey is a NATO member. By treaty, USA cannot fight against them. We have to use sanctions.
noptic
Or you could have stay and have Turkey face the issue of having to attack a NATO member.
toboldlygowherenomanhasgonebefore
You think that would stop Trump? I'd fully agree with you, but these aren't normal times, and checks and balances don't work any more :'-(
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
Trump has had less war actions than pretty much all our presidents.
HonestCommentFarmer
Yeah on the list of colossally bad ideas, that would be the worst. Turkey invokes article 5 and every single ally (from GB, Germany, to Aus)
HonestCommentFarmer
turns on us. Cue WWIII.
MrGato
Or the rest of the world isn’t retarded and drops turkey instead. Which damages the integrity of nato but would probably be the result
azazyel
I guess they better be scared about their Economy or something cause
Fahargo
Hes fucking deranged
dougthenyell
He really needed to use those characters to say "great and unmatched wisdom". Ew.
HinkFlaps
Jokes on you bc they’re already starving to death, in desperate need of medical/humanitarian aide. Especially the Yemeni people.
shadowmajestic
To bad Europe already fucked their economy after their diplomatic fun with the Dutch. Europeans, together we stand!
1972GTO
This one's real. I just looked up his twitter.
Teasaurus
So they either called his bluff, or just can't spare a fuck to give about what the great pumpkin has to say.
Callistan
I’m sure this was all discussed in their phone call, one wannabe dictator to another. And the world’s figured out Trump’s full of bluster.
RedOvermorrow
Newsweek's saying that an anonymous official who was in on the call said that they walked all over Trump, who had "no spine"
DisgruntledFerret
I believe it. Trump is all hot air and nothing you can count on. No matter what actually happens, he always just says he won regardless.
Farfulus
Hes saying that he is letting Turkey attack the kurds by his good graces. The Kurds, whom the US got to lower defenses.
Farfulus
Under the guise that the US military would help defend. They've flat out betrayed allies.
KirchoffsVoltageLaw
That's America for you
Rogahar
Honestly the fact that the "in my great and unmatched wisdom" line isn't setting off HUGE red flags for those of the GOP still on his side >
Rogahar
> is as big a red flag as the rest of us need that they enable and approve of his insanity.
AnythingMuchShorter
I still can't believe he said that great and unmatched wisdom thing seriously. But then he does a lot of shit like that.
Polsnulspace
You guys put this nutter in charge of your country. Please sort out this mistake of yours sharpish. It's for the good of all mankind.
JustFeedMePieDammit
Sweet Jesus this is real https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181232249821388801
toboldlygowherenomanhasgonebefore
Of course, you now have your very own prophet ... oh, I'm so sorry: God.
BESTtaylorINAUSTRALIA
He's so full of shit, can't believe anyone buys this. He doesn't even try to hide the fact he's bullshitting.
Devylin
Wait, when did he destroy Turkey's economy before?
BL1P
What a total dick this man is.
carrot1sie
"I've done it before" yeah, to the US.
g0bbler
I truly hope this is fake
azazyel
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-wizard-oz-turkey-economy-great-unmatched-wisdom?
toboldlygowherenomanhasgonebefore
Check for yourself: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181232251390042118
keyserv
When is it ever fake?
g0bbler
The last thing that dies is hope
HellWestAndCrooked
Holy fuck, I thought you made that up. You didn't.
Ffudmethen
Often times I get home from work and ask my wife, what stupid shit did Trump say today?
Beefkins
The only appropriate response is "jfc you really dont want to know."
Ffudmethen
True story
CannibalisticHedgehog
I've seen some of the most stupid shit I've ever seen come from this cunts tweets, somehow he keeps managing to raise the stupid bar!
IinsultCats
Why is it stupid?
meatgortex
Rhetorically - “my great and unmatched wisdom” is hard to swallow from a man who created a failed business selling steaks at sharper image.
meatgortex
Politically - We just betrayed one of our most consistent allies in the region, to benefit a burgeoning dictator. Who would trust us now?
Evenmorehorrifying
The Kurds have been a strong ally for the US during our war. And at every turn, we keep letting them down. This is no shock to me.
cantspellmanslaughterwithoutlaughter
After the US abandoned South Vietnam to the Communists, this is not surprising.
BahamutBBob
Well, time for the carrot to tank Turkey's economy.
Manieman
Also let down Australia too
malikcarr
It's not possible for us to be totally in their camp, that would mean supporting their sovereignty over Turkey (a NATO member) and Iraq->
malikcarr
which is a country we literally built after 2003. The borders in that region are a disaster.
DVSBSTrD
Fox News will just say they were socialists.
OppoQuinn
Turkey has also been a valuable US ally before, and Turkey has the advantage of being an established nation state.
GloriousEdgeLord
That was back when it was run by the military and secularists, not islamists like today.
zaphod
but but but Libs love Islam, its a religion of peace, so why are they mad at Turkey LOL
LoudBirb
SnowmanAi
Except for Turkey's recent collaboration with Russia
Callistan
And that Erdogan is a wannabe dictator
dmjalund
Turkey and Trump have something in common then
OneTrillionDeadSouls
That exact line can be attributed to like 5 factions in that war America plays any side it can
eazolan
November 2009, Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey are hosting U.S. nuclear weapons as part of NATO's nuclear sharing policy
Volimar
Trump: Making tomorrow's terrorists, today.
obviouslytom
Because no other president has ever done that. Especially not Obama with his daily bombings for 8 years.
RincewindTVD
Are you saying that one person doing a bad thing excuses someone else doing something bad? I don't follow sorry.
Volimar
Just the latest case of the West kicking the can down the road until the next generation of people we've wronged grow up to take up arms.
minipancho94
Seriously, I'm debating getting into politics just to try and make good on the promises we have made the Kurds. The BS will kill me though.
NomDeImguerre
Go for it.
IdGiveMyEyeTeeth4That
We do it every few years. Its like Lucy moving the football at the last second. We can't help ourselves. Enlist help, promise support, run.
Tminus1622d
That's partially (or mostly, depending on who you ask) why Bin Laden was angry at the USA.
Evenmorehorrifying
Been doing it since the cold war. No reason to change now, right?
carrot1sie
Been doing it before that. Tell a people one thing say "don't worry, we keep our promises" then fuck them over in some way.
bambulina
Yeah, I bet there are a lot of people to whom that sounds familiar...
Evenmorehorrifying
We had an isolationist doctrine pre-WWII
SensitiveShiori
people seem to want that again =[
CannibalisticHedgehog
What the fuck is wrong with the world?! Can't we just stop killing each other for a bit? I'm sick of seeing death and corruption EVERY DAY!
Zreen
Imagine it happening every day for the last couple hundred thousand years
terrasono
Stop buying oil. Vote in state elections to push federal legislation.
Lethalshroud
Human nature. They say war teaches kids to be killers. In truth, it's only finishing school.
Wattsupdoc
I knew it! Video games don’t cause violence, school does!
Lethalshroud
testesttest123
Sure I'll stop killing...for money.
wadatahmydamie
This is because of Trump. This is because of Republicans.
CannibalisticHedgehog
Stop bringing politics into this. The entire world need to stop killing each other for stupid fucking reasons, I never brought politics 1/?
CannibalisticHedgehog
Up and quite frankly I find it disgusting that you've used my comment to push your political view onto more shit. Fuck politics.
wadatahmydamie
The “wahhh, I don’t wanna talk politics” thing, especially on political matters, is childish.
CannibalisticHedgehog
Why because I'm sick of everything getting turned into a political argument? All I said originally was why can't we stop killing each 1/2
CannibalisticHedgehog
2/2 other over stupid shit, how is that political? Other people made it about politics, not me.
wadatahmydamie
This is inherently political. Turkey has been given the green light to commit genocide because of one political party.
CannibalisticHedgehog
My comment was 'why can't we just stop killing each other over stupid shit'..... How is that about turkey, or politics???
wadatahmydamie
War has always been inherently political. Educate yourself or don’t, but whining about “politics” isn’t a good look for any adult.
DVSBSTrD
Then stop letting Republicans into office.
CannibalisticHedgehog
Oh fuck off bringing politics into this. That's the whole fucking reason we're still killing each other for no good reason.
SwagOnTheHunnies
I kinda agree with you, but this instance is Trump going rogue. The right will have to face the monster they elected sooner or later...
DVSBSTrD
THIS instance is Trump going rogue?
SwagOnTheHunnies
Yea. Republicans have backed him and covered for his ineptitude for years. They did not support this sudden withdrawal. He is alone on this.
BigTex1
Well this is probably one of the most ignorant comments I’ve read today.
DVSBSTrD
Then it's the only comment you've read today.
BigTex1
CannibalisticHedgehog
Wow. You're a fucking ignorant cunt aren't you. LeT's KeEp KiLlINg EaCh OtHeR bEcAuSe I'm An IgNoRaNt pOlItIcAl pRiCk. You're the problem.
mothmanual2016
Yeah. War ceased to exist when Obama was in office! He totally didn't order 4 times the amount of drone strikes in his first 2 years in/
DVSBSTrD
You mean while he was fighting the wars Bush started?
mothmanual2016
/office thank Bush did in 2 whole terms.
heisenbug42
It’s ironic when you look at the facts. Clinton reformed welfare. Bush was responsible for the largest expansion of entitlement programs >>>
DVSBSTrD
No Bush was not.
mothmanual2016
Actually he was.
heisenbug42
in decades. Obama deported more immigrants than bush and killed a whole lot of people. The common denominator is they all underfund >>>
DVSBSTrD
No it isn't.
heisenbug42
education so that we’re all too stupid to understand what’s actually happening.