Absolutely. They used to train us to use a narrow fog. I came out of one house fire with 2nd degree burns to my ears and neck. My helmet was taken out of service.
I was a sailor for the last decade and we had to be trained on how to put out fires, since, y'know, no aid to call. I gotta say, there's something primally horrifying about seeing a wall of fire erupt in front of you. I don't envy these guys at all.
Kinda looks like in my experience that this is a āburn building.ā A concrete structure we used in the fire academy to practice interior attack. We let the flames climb up so high until they bank off the ceiling and then open the nozzle in a fog pattern. It demonstrate āupsetting the thermal balanceā of the fire, causing the smoke and heat crashing down from the ceiling all the way to the floor turning visibility to ānil.ā We burned hay bales for ours but some newer use gas sensor systems
Please give me more information on "upsetting the thermal balance." It causes smoke and heat to crash down to . . . keep it off the fuel in the ceiling? Or it stops it from crashing downwards, to restore visibility so you can fight the fire?
There's a burn building a few blocks from my house. Every once in a while, it's just a pillar of flame. I'm used to seeing it, but it's terrified a few guests over the years.
We had one of these at our local fire station, but it was a tower, only like 3/4 stories high. Our school got to go and watch them set it on fire and then put it out. Then they built a huge Asda (English Walmart) right next to it and they werenāt allowed to use the tower anymore.
Ronald Bartel: Did it look at you? Did the fire look at you? It did. Whoa. Wow. Our worlds aren't that far apart after all, are they? So, whoever is doing this knows the animal well, doesn't he? He knows him real well, but he won't let him loose. He won't let him have any fun, so he does not love him. Now who doesn't love fire and is around trychtichlorate all day long? ā https://youtu.be/WxoRhk4NReU?t=239
So for flashover simulator we allow the fire inside superheat a modified shipping container until the fire starts to become deprived of oxygen, then we allow a fresh source of fuel (oxygen) to be introduced (doors or a large behind us opening) simulating a sudden open window or door causing the whole interior above you to flashover. So yes in a way cooling an interior would help mitigate a flashover in some ways but thatās not how weād simulate a flashover (again only in my exp, East coast FF)
Also notice how is using a ācombi-nozzleā starting out with a fog pattern to create an initial area of protection around them before attacking the seat of the fire. Same strategy used to combat fully-involved vehicle fires. Great example and execution of a proper training exercise shown here
Oh y'all had the fancy building? We used old trailers for ours, just drag it inside the quonset hut and close the doors, light the house on fire, and flash it over with everyone in kit. Since our town was a giant trailer park anyway it was as good of training as we were gonna get, and it wasn't like we could save those things once they went up. Our response time was in the 20-30m range, that trailer was *gone*, we just kept the embers off the brush.
Yup, that was us, though with no basements! All volunteer, extremely rural, but everyone was quick on the phone to call dispatch if they saw smoke anywhere in the valley. If dispatch didn't have a controlled burn listed for you? You got visitors. And yes, we kept marshmallows in the truck in case it was someone burning weeds who forgot to call it in, shit, we're already here, let's roast!
They learn to use wide angle spray for defense when close to fire. Spreading the water out lets it steam easier. Dispaces o2, cools the area, and helps keeps the fire away from you.
No, it has nothing to do with aiming. The main point of the wider spray is that it produces a much larger number of tiny droplets, which means a much, much larger surface to suck heat out of the fire. It's way more effective that way. The solid jet is pretty much only used for reach, it would do very little in this situation, as most of the water would just drop down without taking in much heat.
I think the fall was deliberate in anticipation of the plume that was coming their way as being closer to the ground would reduce the chance of injury. The spread wasn't a reaction to the fall, so much as a compliment to it, as both combined would reduce the chance of fire damage. I could be mistaken though.
I'm fairly certain that was intentional, because they knew what was coming, since they study the fluid dynamics of flame, both theoretically, and practically. ^_^
The Duo both knew what to do. holding a hose is often a team effort. none of that was accident. the plume had a pre light warning and they both knew what it meant, fell backwards, opened the spray up so it would push back flame AND fumes and other particles.... its not just about the flame. and contained it before switching the spray angle again.
nedg83
Passed their savings throw
Okebel
Huh...So, this is what that garden hose pistol setting is for. Good to know.
joshuasplinth
The physics where they meet is just whoa.
GenshiV
That has big Patronus vs Dementor energy... only even more terrifying because fire.
TheHuntedSnark
So was the camera.
isthisjunkmail
Water bender beats fire bender.
EnchantingWzrdOfRiven
That was wild.
ZoBrightlance
Firefighters are wizards and waterbenders. Convince me otherwise.
serleth
I could watch firefighter vids all day
Roaddog184
SHIELD UP!!!
firefighter26
Perfect conditions in a training environment. Do that in a real fire and you're more likely to steam burn yourself and your crew.
IjustsaywhatIthink
Absolutely. They used to train us to use a narrow fog. I came out of one house fire with 2nd degree burns to my ears and neck. My helmet was taken out of service.
NearHereThere
TIL they train with real fire. Previously I thought it was cellophane with a fan under it.
AllTheGoodOnesAreTaken68
EXPECTO PATRONUM!
cytherians
EXPECTO GEYSERNIUM!
GabbyJayYay
Not even that, it shows an actual footage for all those Water vs Fire superpowers
Vtoh
Expecto Petroleum!
BoltActionGearbox
I am convinced the VFX artists based that scene in the film off of this exact firefighting tactic
GenshiV
You and I had the exact same thought within ~10 seconds of one another. It's very potter-esque!
AllTheGoodOnesAreTaken68
the visual is uncanny!
Crispy4Skin
EverythingYourMotherWarnedYouAbout
Neat! https://media2.giphy.com/media/73CTp69qVKOWc/200w.webp?cid=a57373e5sxnssown6apt2jvi4dqkjc6yybmzxi0sp63oywom&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.webp&ct=g
CyrosReaver
I was a sailor for the last decade and we had to be trained on how to put out fires, since, y'know, no aid to call. I gotta say, there's something primally horrifying about seeing a wall of fire erupt in front of you. I don't envy these guys at all.
thispleasesimhotep
F.U.C.K.
joshuasplinth
EXPECTO PETROLEUM!
Frederf
Looks like a wizard's duel.
Makro57
They hid behind the spray-wall
Honeypotsniffer
You are going to need a bigger hose.
Cilvaa
SHIELDS UP!
NeeNerNeeNer83
Holy shit, back draft. Was there a spider?
StunttheRunt
Harry Dresden's arch nemesis, Firefighter!
EverythingYourMotherWarnedYouAbout
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Filanwizard
Would think a guy with the name Dresden would be happy to see a fire truck. ;)
migratingotter
Flasback. Wow.
permissiontolosedenied
YOU SHALL NOT PASS !!! -in my head probably
midrealmknight
That dragon got VERY close
beastiebunny
I've got to clean the brown spot out of my pants now.
Rhiannonmclyr
TIL firefighters are actually water mages
stretcherfetcher
Kinda looks like in my experience that this is a āburn building.ā A concrete structure we used in the fire academy to practice interior attack. We let the flames climb up so high until they bank off the ceiling and then open the nozzle in a fog pattern. It demonstrate āupsetting the thermal balanceā of the fire, causing the smoke and heat crashing down from the ceiling all the way to the floor turning visibility to ānil.ā
We burned hay bales for ours but some newer use gas sensor systems
IndigoThursday
That would explain why they're filming this
BishlamekGurpgork
Please give me more information on "upsetting the thermal balance." It causes smoke and heat to crash down to . . . keep it off the fuel in the ceiling? Or it stops it from crashing downwards, to restore visibility so you can fight the fire?
therealalansmithee
But fireās real, right?
H3rrTr1gg3r
It is most definitely real. I've melted my helmet in a burn building once. We have to train like the real thing, so it's controlled danger. š¤£
EverythingYourMotherWarnedYouAbout
That's cool info, thanks š
GerhardRammelhausen
Kinda obvious, as if someone would film in a situation like that.
hannahbutnotreally
There's a burn building a few blocks from my house. Every once in a while, it's just a pillar of flame. I'm used to seeing it, but it's terrified a few guests over the years.
Beezlebubble
Oh neat! I just passed my states exams so I have this to look forward to if I get in
ThunderGrumble
You a Goodfellow AFB alum, too?
DarkRedCape
We had one of these at our local fire station, but it was a tower, only like 3/4 stories high. Our school got to go and watch them set it on fire and then put it out. Then they built a huge Asda (English Walmart) right next to it and they werenāt allowed to use the tower anymore.
ExTechOp
Ronald Bartel: Did it look at you? Did the fire look at you? It did. Whoa. Wow. Our worlds aren't that far apart after all, are they? So, whoever is doing this knows the animal well, doesn't he? He knows him real well, but he won't let him loose. He won't let him have any fun, so he does not love him. Now who doesn't love fire and is around trychtichlorate all day long?
ā https://youtu.be/WxoRhk4NReU?t=239
Filanwizard
Guessing the fog nozzle also cools the room down helping prevent a flash over? *i mean cool down in fire terms not the room is comfortable.
stretcherfetcher
So for flashover simulator we allow the fire inside superheat a modified shipping container until the fire starts to become deprived of oxygen, then we allow a fresh source of fuel (oxygen) to be introduced (doors or a large behind us opening) simulating a sudden open window or door causing the whole interior above you to flashover. So yes in a way cooling an interior would help mitigate a flashover in some ways but thatās not how weād simulate a flashover (again only in my exp, East coast FF)
stretcherfetcher
Also notice how is using a ācombi-nozzleā starting out with a fog pattern to create an initial area of protection around them before attacking the seat of the fire. Same strategy used to combat fully-involved vehicle fires. Great example and execution of a proper training exercise shown here
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
Oh y'all had the fancy building? We used old trailers for ours, just drag it inside the quonset hut and close the doors, light the house on fire, and flash it over with everyone in kit. Since our town was a giant trailer park anyway it was as good of training as we were gonna get, and it wasn't like we could save those things once they went up. Our response time was in the 20-30m range, that trailer was *gone*, we just kept the embers off the brush.
TheVaal
A friend is a volunteer fire fighter with a very rural all volunteer fire dept. He says that they "Have never lost a basement, yet."
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
Yup, that was us, though with no basements! All volunteer, extremely rural, but everyone was quick on the phone to call dispatch if they saw smoke anywhere in the valley. If dispatch didn't have a controlled burn listed for you? You got visitors. And yes, we kept marshmallows in the truck in case it was someone burning weeds who forgot to call it in, shit, we're already here, let's roast!
TheVaal
Some of the best people I have ever met were with a VFD.
meme2zombie
He was quick to open up the spray angle when he fell to compensate for not being able to aim it, that's some good training.
Jest3r123
I'm always quick to open the spray angle. š
braechnov
This is a training drill, showing how to use the "water shield" technique against flare ups.
meme2zombie
I unintentionally triggered Cunningham's Law on this comment and I'm here for it. :D
BigSkyJimbo
https://media2.giphy.com/media/YlMQKzUvWTOyfJ99ka/200w.webp?cid=a57373e50vmunjxrewdp6fx3ive0mh6ttjjb2cqgrulp0vok&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.webp&ct=g
DarkRedCape
Thatās insane, itās like something out of Warhammer 40k, like a psyker barrier against chaos.
DrewtanggaurdiumLeviosa
This looks like it is training.
ZeroSkillGaming
They learn to use wide angle spray for defense when close to fire. Spreading the water out lets it steam easier. Dispaces o2, cools the area, and helps keeps the fire away from you.
brazzy42
No, it has nothing to do with aiming. The main point of the wider spray is that it produces a much larger number of tiny droplets, which means a much, much larger surface to suck heat out of the fire. It's way more effective that way. The solid jet is pretty much only used for reach, it would do very little in this situation, as most of the water would just drop down without taking in much heat.
EggFooYung
Divert power to shields!
RadishIsAMeat
Think people are missing its 2 guys, 1st guy pulls his buddy down to avoid the fire AND adjusts the hose angle guy 2 is holding.
Slimewire
Did you just say 2 guys, 1 hose
Table5
Hoes.
RickyIWannaGoFastBobby
This looks like training. Youāre right, guy 1 pulls the person down and adjusts the nozzle!
DrBlackJack
I think the fall was deliberate in anticipation of the plume that was coming their way as being closer to the ground would reduce the chance of injury. The spread wasn't a reaction to the fall, so much as a compliment to it, as both combined would reduce the chance of fire damage. I could be mistaken though.
EleganceIsDead
I'm fairly certain that was intentional, because they knew what was coming, since they study the fluid dynamics of flame, both theoretically, and practically. ^_^
meme2zombie
Oh good point yeah, they would have seen it coming from their position looking down the hall/doorway.
IHateToTurnUpTheVolumeOfMyTvBecauseMyCatIsSnoring
That's how we are trained. Shield yourself with the widest spray, covering your partner.
BananaForScaIe
Yeah that's how I read it, and was suitably impressed!
CaptSchmidtGaming
The Duo both knew what to do. holding a hose is often a team effort. none of that was accident. the plume had a pre light warning and they both knew what it meant, fell backwards, opened the spray up so it would push back flame AND fumes and other particles.... its not just about the flame. and contained it before switching the spray angle again.