Dogmatix1701
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Meanwhile somewhere near Papenburg...
Jun 24, 2021 6:11 AM
Dogmatix1701
102006
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Meanwhile somewhere near Papenburg...
ATerribleArtist
I think they're building it upside down
AlexSkullUterna
Reminds me of this amazing parody film: https://youtu.be/0GOoMowFpZs
v
inkican
Pfft ... assuming they built it on Earth, how do they get it to space? Balloons?
Dogmatix1701
Dammit I mis typed the "1701" - shame!
trekxtrider
When we are ready to build starships, I guarantee they will be modeled after Star Trek, or Star Wars.
LanttuLaatikko
A quick glance of the thumbnail made me remember I forgot to buy a new BIOS battery today...
millux
Actually they build large cruisers. As seen here: 39X4+CR Papenburg (enter that in google and switch to satellite view)
DetectiveHorse
LurkerOfDarkness
Rebel scum.
ponkoponko
Meyer Werft (shipyard) in Germany. They build cruise ships and spaceships apparently.
Ciamcon
#1 ,D1
solosloop
It would likely be built in orbit
theguywiththevoice
That and starships are built in orbit because most were never intended for atmospheric flight until the Voyager class.
wiltsjunk
Haters will say it's fake
kredal
I’m only gonna say it’s false because that is Newport News shipbuilding in Virginia.
Wh1skeyTang0F0xtr0t
I've worked there and if they ever built a space ship, it would be damn near perfect. They really are a bunch of amazing engineers.
Dogmatix1701
My experience is the German guys will be happy to let you know they are the best!?Ausgenzeichnet!!(sp?)
HapilyDamaged
JustinWasHere
Wouldn't you want to build space ships like this in orbit?
AndrewS816
Man don't let Fox News, OANN and NewsMax see THIS Antifa Built ship!
Klhumnpgooier
Always knew it! Made in the Netherlands
TanithRosenbaum
Papenburg is in Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papenburg
gerhardpascher
Not "Meanwile", this pic was taken 5 years ago.
Dogmatix1701
True....
Schtaan
Mother use to work for a construction company named NCC and their phone# was 17010. True story!
idahorny
FAKE!! i‘m pretty sure its not near Papenburg..
evilcarp
No, but there is a Busch Gardens not that far away.
ThisIsReallyHowILook
The scale seems off a bit.
HeroofTimeampersandSpace
slaughterhouse4andahalf
This was my favorite episode as a kid!
OmnipotentBeing
I preferred the what if the Roman empire existed in the 20th century episode myself.
MutteringMisanthrope
DiceyBusiness
I want the Enterprise-D.
CanThinkOfUsername
Not in this parallel universe.
magila
That's what she said.
BellaCose
Me tool! Specifically from Karl Urban as Dr. McCoy.
SkysEdge2549
I am from Papenburg and can confirm that this is 100% real. German engineering at it's best!
Elmarrr
Will it fit the Ems though?
ElNarcoSanto
Me too (almost)! Can confirm, saw Picard shopping Catfood at Markant. Or was it Combi?
Elkarlo77
Only because the berth wasn't wide enough for "Schneller Raumkreuzer Orion" which is 150m wide instead of 127 of the Enterprise.
bks2000
What's the purpose? (Don't start with the "To boldly go...")
Titweasel
"Where no one has gone before." Don't tell me what to do! (First Rule of Conversation)
kirmes
Of course not. "dringt die Enterprise in Galaxien vor, die nie ein Mensch zuvor gesehen hat." (German opening) ;-)
turbodog
Scotty speaking German used to make me laugh for some reason.
UzY3L
Fake.No way you could build starships on a planet.They'd need to be built in space.Gravity would deform or buckle the pannels from weight
UzY3L
From what I know, pannels are welded into a structure, just like modern ships and planes. Once complete, they have structural strength
UzY3L
It would be reckless to build a ship that size on a planet then launch it into space. Would be like a plane landing with its fuel tanks full
UzY3L
everytime. Could its structure survive? Probably. Do you really need to stress the metal like that without a reason on every landing? No
UzY3L
If I'm wrong, please explain. I like learning new things and from my mistakes. Thank you
Mithi
Also, unknowingly you made a good joke for Germans, the Meyerwerft is quite a distance inland and they always have to swell a rather [1]
Mithi
small river to get the ships to sea. Meta-Alert! [2]
LucidAftermath
Shields... antigravity... etc. It is scifi after all! Maybe a planet with the same gravity as the moon would be a good place to build.
killerswiller
Mars has ~1/3 the gravity of earth.
Imalwaysready
Except all the starships in Trek a) use advanced engineering and materials we don't have, and b) were able to land on planets if necessary.
killerswiller
Meanwhile: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Unnamed_Galaxy_class_starships#Utopia_Planitia.2C_Mars
BishlamekGurpgork
Structural integrity fields.
Mithi
If 1g on earth deform it, how the fuck would they perform under impulse thrust?
Imalwaysready
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4RLOo6bchU
imgurnaknockuout
Trek has shown starships land & take off on multiple occasions.
nppraxis
Only smaller ships IIRC. Voyager did it, but it's a scout ship; I don't think the Enterprise has ever landed and survived.
killerswiller
And in TOS the Enterprise even maintains altitude at cloud level pretty easily.
Preincarnated
Maybe that's why there were always getting so easily destroyed and replaced.
MOfitserov93
Pretty sure the bigger class ships were made at dry docks(in space). Vaguely remember an episode or two of Next generation mentioning that
Meltemi
Yep. Utopia Planitia Fleetyards (Ent-D, Defiant, and Voyager) is one in Mars orbit. San Fran Fleetyards (Ent, Ent-A, Excelsior) was another.
MOfitserov93
Turbolibros
The Voyager was able to perform planetary landings, IIRC.
UzY3L
My point was that the building process adds structural strength but also weight. Weight adds stress to an incomplete structure. Hence, space
kingrhoton
TOS enterprise was also supposed to land, but the budget wouldn’t allow it. So, transporters!
DigiT00l
They first wanted shuttlecrafts, not land
PballQhead
The Enterpise-D definitely landed... once
LordNemo
That stretches the definition a bit, but I'll let you off this time!
Nightcaste
Any crash you can walk away from...
TCooley79
Too soon! (Or early?)
Preincarnated
Still, it wasn't the atmosphere that crushed the panels.
Samoht
Only half of it "landed".
PballQhead
DarthFutuza
Not if they're made with super magical engineering materials that defy all known physics.
Miller16of16
Unobtainium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium
BishlamekGurpgork
Also, Trek had structural integrity fields.
gradeD
I think I'd like to try me some of those super magical engineering materials
Lonnze
You would be surprised how little star trek relied on -well it's a book who cares- to make fancy tech.
mnemonicman
Book? Which? The one where they went back to that Dyson Sphere or the one where the X-Men (yes Professor X looked like Picard) showed up?
killerswiller
Star Trek has been incredibly predictive, second only to the Simpsons as far as I can tell.
nppraxis
I mean, they did have to imagine subspace to explain FTL communications.
Meltemi
Transporters are basically magic, too: "How do the Heisenberg compensators work?" "They work just fine, thank you," from an Okuda interview.
Imalwaysready
You're one of those that used to think computers of the future may be as small as an oven, right?
DarthFutuza
And every town will have it's own fusion reactor.
Aeolys
We need some good ol' Unobtainium.
Miller16of16
Beat me to it...
CinnamonBunny
Yes. Pannels weak.
themasch
And the House of Pannels is weak as well!
lonosham
Mom’s spaghetti
stronomer
Yes, Germany is putting out 2-3 of these a year instead of cruise ships. Cruise ships are so 22nd century!
kirmes
cruise ships --> cruiser ships
stronomer
Exactly!
slidewhistlesymphony
I think The Enterprise is considerably larger than this.
ScienceIsntAboutWhyItsAboutWhyNot
It's only a model
Vladraconis
I measured the place on Google Maps. The space occupied by the ship is 493m long. So .... yeah, totally enough room for the NCC-1701
Vladraconis
The first one, depicted in this very image ? No. It was about 289m long. That's it. You are thinking about the other Enterprises, I think
Dimestream
NCC-1701 and 1701-A were smaller than that barge that got stuck in the Suez Canal.
zafner
Based on the cars and trucks, I think it's about right, but I'm just guessing
mercyPandaRunner
It's smaller than you think. The Evergreen that blocked the Suez canal is considerably bigger than the NCC-1701. My guess is, that this is->
mercyPandaRunner
too small but not by that much. True scale would probably still easily fit in this picture.
boomertaylor24
Actually, this is a pretty well within scale, if you know what you're looking at. How about acknowledging the effort instead of whining.
nppraxis
Actually, it's not. The Enterprise (NCC-1701) wasn't that big. The one from TNG (NCC-1701-D), on the other hand, is way bigger.
kirmes
No, it isn't as big as you think. (waiting for the gif)
SirJamesMonster42
It's only a model.
Elkarlo77
It the Meyer Werft, which got the largest inside dock, which could house the NCC-1701 and thats one of their larger outside Docks.
RecurringNightmare
seems to be an old picture of meyer werft, so not sure how large that crane and drydock are, but probably exceeds 300m, enterprise 288m...
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waldo9254
What is this!?!?! An Enterprise for ants?????
Blasfemur
This is just a tribute.
TheCat5001
The original Enterprise is comparable in size to modern freight ships, so I don't think the scale is that far off.
jaquinhagar
There is no scale here.
ShieldAnvil1
Actually that is about right, the edge of the saucer on 1701 was barely 2 stories tall.
Penthesilean
Finally someone knowledgeable. Trek nerds like us have done the math & the saucer is like 16x2 stacked trailer houses in a spiral pattern.
Northwindlowlander
It's like the Rocinante- exactly the size it needs to be for whatever event is occuring in the story.
mercyPandaRunner
The Rocinantes size is about halfway between an american space shuttle and its external fuel tank.
GaloisGroupie
I dunno, it's hard to tell but it could be 288.646 meters
Einstein9073
The Enterprise a is just over 300 M long. A thousand feet. That looks about right to me
reabyeknom
Meyer Werft has a 450 meter bay. Looks about right,
QWTFODDBALL
No thats just about right actually.
TheLastKingOfSomewhere
Hard to say for sure, needs banana for scale
lehenry
Original picture, the USS Harry S. Truman https://www.navysite.de/cvn/Image27_1.jpg
RandomlyAppointedNSAAgent
This isn't the enterprise, it's just a tribute.
Hightower840
the 1701 was 300 meters. (980 ft)
drayfiasco87
Whats is this a ship for ants ?
emptyother
Considering that the bridge is a bit bigger than the width of the road, it seems about right sized.
Penthesilean
Yoink.
gradeD
That's an awesome still
DigiT00l
Is the pilot, or the Cage/the Menagerie
spittleteets
The bridge of ships are not directly proportional to the size of the ship they're on. Example: Aircraft carrier
Tezunegari
fdragon
It only served about 1000 so it might be right.
ToonamiT0M
Only slightly. The original Enterprise was not all that big. Maybe as long as a WW2 aircraft carrier.
sfbiker
It blows up like a balloon when it goes to the vaccum of space.
theregoesthegayborhood
This is about right for the first Enterprise
Neurisko
1701 Alpha, sleeps 20.
TheSlouchOfBethlehem
tree fiddy is as high as I can go
Dogmatix1701
I just liked the pic but you're totally right - the scale is whack for sure!
Vladraconis
It ain't. It's the first one, not the huge 1701D one
ElNarcoSanto
Its actually not. The Odyssey of the Seas has been build at the Meyer Werft. Quantum Class Ship, 350m long, 42m wide 1/2
ElNarcoSanto
Build for 4900 People and a crew of 1600. Believe me the Meyer property is huge, its a decent scale. 2/2
TCooley79
I think it looks close to 300m. Those cranes could be big. The first enterprise was way smaller than the later ones.
Beelsebooob
Yup, and large container ships are ~400m long, so ship yards absolutely reasonably could be that scale.
Dimestream
Original 1701 was smaller than the Evergiven barge that fucked up the Suez Canal.
TCooley79
From google: Its length is given as 300 metres (980 ft), and it has a capacity of 100 crew and 850 passengers
raid0100
The largest ship from this yard is 344 meters long (MS Iona)
Sallavar
Nimitz class aircraft carriers are right at 1,000 ft. Which is what this is over the top of if you look at the rear. This is close to scale.
DougDeNasty
The tan thing behind the dish is a badly blotted out aircraft carrier, the scale is about right.
tinyfootprints
947 feet (288.646 m) stem to stern. 430 crew members. This pic looks about right.
BrickSniper33
Not necessarily. The NCC-1701D galaxy class was the size of a small town, capable of transporting 15k people. In contrast 1/2
DiceyBusiness
There was A LOT of wasted space on the Galaxy class. Also it was never shown but a good chunk of the upper saucer was a carrier deck.
Scheckschy
Don't forget about the dolphin living sections.
nicouh
15k? The crew was about 2k, right? so they had 13k spare rooms? or would 15k be in case of an emergency with ppl standing in corridors?
BrickSniper33
2/2 the Constitution Class heavy cruisers were not designed with civilian personal in mind, and were considerably smaller.
Leaveittojebus
In TNG ep Relics Scotty marveled at the size and luxury of common guest quarters on the Enterprise D. A lot more room devoted to comfort.
ThatJerkOnTheInternet
Main reason for that was the D was designed to go 20+ years without stopping or resupplying. Need lots of creature comforts.
dangryJumper
Nippledeepinahorse
tinydog
Upvote for presumed joking intent. I'm so glad that the anti nerd societal sentiment of the 70's and '80s faded away.
dangryJumper
See how I covered the bases there only missing off the potter. Cos that’s cool right......RIGHT?
BrickSniper33
Here’s a relative size chart so you can see the huge difference in ship sizes
Feralkyn
The nerd we need o7
pollomagnifico
Woah, I had no idea the Voyager was so small.
BlackCatCasper
Just wait how stupidly huge the Vengeance is. Dwarfs the Enterprise-E
MotherfuckingJesseEisenburg
Ahh, the Defiant. All the firepower of the Sovereign in a ship that's a tiny thing.
subduedreader
Because Sisko stripped down the science departments to the bare minimums, and crew quarters were spartan by Starfleet standards.
BlackCatCasper
Tough little ship
Buzzbuzzbee
Can someone whack a banana bus or something in there for context‽
RandomIsotope
The best I could probably do is a hot dog mobile.
zafner
There's a banana in the original picture for scale. It's sitting right on top of the ship, in the middle of the "0" in the registry number
RealityIsOftenDisappointing
fuck the enterprise... need me a Defiant.
NotNotDeadpool
I love how the NX was barely smaller than the Connie and carried a third of the people.
Leaveittojebus
No neck, less decks, length barely less, but total square footage inside a whole nother matter
zafner
I think it makes sense, don't you?
28dayslaterwasawarning
The engine room is huge in comparison
Schoonbot
Those are much smaller than I thought. Considering the size of modern ships.
iPez
I bet it was build in orbit. like we should in the good time line.
killerswiller
It seems that in canon starships started out construction on Mars' surface. Memory Alpha link to follow: 1/2
killerswiller
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Unnamed_Galaxy_class_starships#Utopia_Planitia.2C_Mars 2/2
mammothfart
It makes zero sense. they ships are not meant to operate in gravity wells. Its would never make it off the plant without damage
killerswiller
Friend, Mars has ~1/3 Earth's gravity, even the original Constitution class can EASILY escape Earth orbit at near surface levels. 1/2
killerswiller
Here's the the Original Series episode in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow_Is_Yesterday 2/2
ImGoingToGoFallAsleepOnABench
Utopia Planitia wasn't around during TOS - the original 1701 was built at the San Francisco Fleet Yards in Earth orbit.
killerswiller
From Memory Alpha: "Utopia Planitia was built prior to 2069. (ENT: "Terra Nova")" https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Utopia_Planitia
ImGoingToGoFallAsleepOnABench
Goddamn, I did not know that (I remember the plot point about Mars' Verteron Beam from ENT, but didn't know UP was in operation).
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tpanyS
That fiction has been long said to have fairly decent scientific accuracy, and has also led to or influenced a fuckton of actual inventions.
OverMyDadBody
You are completely fictional
Sufi42
How did you know?
OverMyDadBody
Well. I made you up.
heyheyheylisten
except there is a lot of ships being built in space docks throughout the series
AllHailTechnoViking
My point being: Don't take fiction so seriously.
Sufi42
Amazing how people seem to forget this
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OverMyDadBody
*reminded
emptyother
You misunderstand. It is about respect for the fiction. The writers cant just make shit up, they risk breaking the belief in the narrative.
DarkUranium
Just because it's fiction doesn't mean you can just make shit up on the go. A lot of attention to detail goes into (good) fiction. (1/?)
Sufi42
I was referring to the fans
DarkUranium
I'd recommend watching some of the Brandon Sanderson lectures on worldbuilding. (2/2)
AnUnfortunateFreezeFrame
Reminds me of that great shot of Chris Pine's Kirk watching the Enterprise being built
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BitchButcher
I never like that "version of Star Trek", just because they chose a model instead of a normal looking person to play the Captain.
swedeonamoose
pff not enough lense flare.
PlayerBhatin
"I'm gonna score so many chicks with that ride"
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
JJAbrams in a nutshell, it's a pretty visual and makes no sense. You don't build starships at the bottom of a gravity well.
DrHenryJones
This was in the early days of Starfleet and the ships had the capability of overcoming Earth's gravity with an ascent.
prolorus
You can if you do it good.
Christx30
But Kirk lived in Iowa. The Enterprise was built in San Fran shipyards. Did he travel after the bar fight?
Tezunegari
Alternate universe. The reboot Enterprise was build in Riverside, Iowa.
Imalwaysready
By then, taking off from a planet isn't a big deal. Benefits of building without weightlessness may outweigh brief drawbacks of lift-off.
gandraw
Why _wouldn't_ you want to build a spaceship in an environment where you don't need support structures...
Imalwaysready
Because people are used to gravity? When you set a tool down it doesn't float away? Or when you turn on a blowtorch it doesn't push you? Etc
AnUnfortunateFreezeFrame
meanwhile whilst waiting for engineering to solve an issue. Captain's log..
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powwerbottom
But could you build the starship well if it was at the top of a gravity?
FnordGallop
yes, that is where you well build it.
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SilverNicktail
Yeah I absolutely hate responses like these. It's Star Trek and he took a big steaming dump on the entire franchise.
RandomQuack
Pretty much required for anything JJ's involved with.
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
Fuck off. You've every right to not think about it if you don't want to, you can't tell me not think about it.
Septcanmat
If I wanted to not think, I wouldn’t be watching Star Trek.
Schoonbot
Yeah, I'd goto that other star movie with the glow sticks
AnUnfortunateFreezeFrame
But gravity isn't an issue for them in the 23rd century or am I missing something?
DigiT00l
Atmosphere still is
AnUnfortunateFreezeFrame
For the uninitiated, why is that an issue?
DesertValkyrie
I'd link a video from Star Trek Generations when the Enterprise D crashes but it's not nearly as "impactful" as The death of OG Enterprise
Vaeyn
Big disk move lot of air. Not very air-movey. Even best metal bend against much air
DesertValkyrie
See this wonderful scene from The Original Series movie, Search for Spock(3rd of the TOS movies) https://youtu.be/CzJRx3vaApA
DigiT00l
Air is surprisingly heavy, and most Trek ships are designed in a way not destructive to account for air
Grimrir
Vacuum welding is another hazard they have to be careful of as they may not be touching now but after takeoff they become fused as one
vystral
We build spacecraft in a gravity well now, don’t we?
dogestyle
nothing that big, and also we're just starting as a space faring species. It's likely that the ship taking us to Mars will be built 1/2
dogestyle
in orbit. 2/2
ActionJohnnie
What’s the pay rate on that?
LordNemo
The cost of getting them out this gravity well is massive. If you want something big though, that's an orbital shipyard you need
willbailey226131415
But in star trek they don't use money so no actual cost. Like we know now
Septcanmat
That’s not how that works.
LordNemo
Even without money as a concern, it's still a large effort to escape earth's gravity - and that's for small craft.
ControversialLeftistLesbian
And then strap them to about 8 billion tons of highly explosive propellant to get them out of it, yes.
TheNihilistsParadoxicalWashingMachine
I think the difference is star ship vs space craft, or rather, star ship vs lander. A thrust to mass scale issue. Hence you have shuttles.
powwerbottom
Not that well
Nightcaste
We build 12 story tall structures with the interior space of a couple phone booths. Not exactly the same thing.
Imalwaysready
Because we're primitive in terms of space travel?
ControversialLeftistLesbian
Reminds me of SG-1 ep 1 where Bra'tac doubts the ability of Earth's shuttles against a Goa'uld Ha'tak.
Imalwaysready
Finally. Someone around here who speaks normally!
SilverNicktail
Only because we have to
tirohtar
Spacecraft in star trek generally have awful aerodynamics since they have the two nacelles and central bay for the warp drive. They 1/2
tirohtar
Basically never land on a planet (they did it once in Voyager and it was a mess). That's what they have their shuttles for.
notallfluffycatsarethick
Eh?I remember the Voyager landing several times on a planet without messing anything up.37er episode, Kazon,The Demon Planet and Nightingale
JustaDick
The enterprise D did it. once.
vystral
The thing needs to be able to enter an atmosphere. Might as well build it in one.
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
Starships *don't* need to enter atmosphere though. That's what transporters and shuttles are for. Star Trek ships are not aerodynamic.
usersayswhat
That's like saying we should build submarines under water.
Schoonbot
Tbf building submarines under water is like building spaceship in space.. Getting atmo inside becomes the hard part