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DorkJedi
LesPaulPilot
Bullshit. She was literally just released on bond pending a trial.
heimeyer72
OP, have a downvote for lying.
sombercitizens
Wrong.
johndelacourt
This does not appear to be the truth, per news sources. OP?
GlenL
This lie is spreading like wildfire. She's currently awaiting trial and hasn't been found guilty of shit
ANIMELORD420
These false headline needs to be downvoted. Stop spreading misinformation.
trojanplatypus
She should get a medal. Not only for taking a predator out but for doing a cop's job.
sombercitizens
NVGoddesscottage
Wisconsin has a law that holds trafficking victims blameless for violence of escape. Trial judge ruled she can’t because escape premeditated
NVGoddesscottage
2/2 appeals court reversed. Prosecution appealed to Supreme Court
msd3k
Bogus write up for outrage clicks. She hasn't even gone to trial yet. Fuck OP.
prawnklng
Copperbrat
Straight up bullshit post. She's been charged but there hasn't even been a trial yet. I don't object to the shit-stirring in this case, 1/
Copperbrat
OP. It 100% deserves recognition. But there is a reason you haven't posted links/sources. Downvoting. 2/2
OmenJones
pluto408
jaysjunkymail11
Those last 2 or 3 innocents seem questionable these days. ?
Preincarnated
Sadly, that was my first thought, too. That last one *may* not be doing jail time, but he's not getting off as not guilty, either.
Mannus
https://www.wptv.com/news/region-indian-river-county/andrew-coffee-iv-found-not-guilty-on-5-counts-in-indian-river-county-swat-raid
NotAllThatGlittersIsAu
It's the Paper Bag test all over again.
Mossiestsloth
This case is revenge killing vs self defense.
brassmule
I could see where it started as self-defense but escalated to revenge.If she was being kept as a sex slave, I can understand that motivation
brassmule
It will be a difficult position to legally defend, however.
Mossiestsloth
Based on information I've seen she went to his house to kill him, she wasn't currently there when it happened. There is apparently also text
Mossiestsloth
messages sent to friends about how she's going to be the owner of his BMW. But we would need to wait for all of the information to be
Mossiestsloth
released. Even if it was self defense though, she should still probably be charged for arson since that puts nearby neighbors and emergency
GoToTheZoo
Her trial date isn't even set yet, this is just fake news because ONE guy on Twitter compared her to Rittenhouse for some reason.
robdielemans
Thanks, was going to add, sure it's 1st degree but the chance for recidivism is zero and that should impact the sentence a lot.
brassmule
I think it's because she is black, the man she shot was white, & she is also claiming self-defense. Andrew Coffee IV is a better comparison.
GlenL
I'm honestly impressed at how quickly Rashid's lie has spread
lbdeuce
wonder if this guy thinks hes a hero for spreading lies to incite racial animus... good to see its real popular too. grow up op. sad.
Hexrowe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrystul_Kizer_case "A trial date has not been set."
handbanana13
Thank you
IHopeMyKidsDontSeeThis
I'm starting to think I shouldn't get my news from mems
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
Where else are you going to get it from? Trusted news sources? Ha!
CoBr2
Which is weird, because the appeals court specifically responds to a trial. It's like the wiki article glossed over her initial trial.
tlamstrike
Because it didn't happen. The trial court denied her use of an affirmative defense under § 939.46(1m) saying it is dependent on①
tlamstrike
939.46(1) which would reduce a 1st degree homicide charge to 2nd degree. This is what was appealed and needs to be settled before②
tlamstrike
the actual trial can begin.③
CoBr2
Oh, I didn't realize you could appeal that early. That makes a lot of sense and explains mine and others' confusion.
Hexrowe
Note that this means she hasn't even gotten a trial yet, in THREE YEARS, and has ALREADY suffered more consequences than Kyle ever will.
Promethianfire
No, she's been free on bond and the delay is because higher courts have to decide whether she can be permitted to make a particular type of
moshpitmolly
Reading the wiki, it seems she wasn't bailed out until 2020 so she was in jail for a bit.
Promethianfire
Defense.
Hexrowe
She's free on bond NOW, after TWO YEARS in prison without trial.
CoBr2
"On June 2, 2021, the Wisconsin Court of Appeals released a published decision, finding that the trial court had erred"
superscout0233
Appeals courts can rule before the trial court concludes the trial.
tomatoboy
You can appeal a trial court’s pre-trial actions.
tomatoboy
In this case, Kenosha County Circuit Court Judge David Wilk ruled that "Chrystul did not have access to the affirmative defense law for…
tomatoboy
…trafficking victims” in response to pre-trial motions. A trial has not yet been held.
Mr21782Man
"when denying her the ability to raise, as an affirmative defense", that bits important. They didn't allow her to argue self defense.
CoBr2
So, if I understood it right, affirmative defense is specific to sex trafficking, but I had never heard of it before
sleepinggreenidea
It applies to a fair number of crimes. The self-defense claim Rittenhouse successfully pursued was an example of an affirmative defense.
SomeDetroitGuy
It is not specific to sex trafficking.
Mr21782Man
Affirmative defense means you agree you did it but there were mitigating circumstances that make it allowable
CoBr2
Ah makes sense, so in this case it is related to sex trafficking, but not specific to it
ahachoo
At the time of his death, Volar was under investigation for sex trafficking underage girls. Kenosha Police had served a warrant on Volar’s
ahachoo
home and seized electronics that showed he had taken video of himself having sex with minors, including Kizer. Volar had been arrested
ahachoo
during the investigation, but he was released as detectives continued to work on the case.
ahachoo
Jailed for two years, Kizer was released on a $400,000 bond posted by the Chicago Community Bond Fund with support of the Chrystul Kizer
ahachoo
Defense Committee. Kizer, whose case has drawn national attention, has written Judge Wilk that she is willing to take a plea deal to plead
ahachoo
guilty to felony murder and bail jumping, with a maximum prison sentence of 15 years. a conviction of first-degree homicide could mean
ShaydeLiger
Free her too. Self defense is self defense.
brassmule
Right now, Chrystul is free on bail. She has not had a trial yet, which means she has not been convicted of anything. Op is lying.
MravacKid
True enough, but it's no longer self defense if she killed him a few years later. The law is pretty clear... maybe ammend the laws first.
BroHamm
Do you have a link to the article? I did not know she did this after being out of captive.
jlist
I remember when 80% of the posts here weren't political. Pepperidge Farm remembers.
MtnDewDrank
It's almost like people are constantly trying to manipulate us and keep us fighting amongst ourselves.
EpochEclipse
I remember when politics wasn't so fucking batshit that we didn't HAVE to pay attention.
GozerTheGozerian
I've been at this site about as long as you and I've no idea wtf your talking about, there's always been an abundance of political posts.
incrediblynormalperson
what's the motivation of people lying about this case in this way?
brassmule
Why are people posting so many lies about Chrystul today on Imgur? She has not had a trial yet and she is INNOCENT until proven guilty.
mittag
Another Rittenhouse case.. Slightly different.
JustSomeDudeInMichigan
She should just be innocent
jaystevens137
*is supposed to be. You must be new to the American justice system.
Clearoutbrusselsprout
Because people want there internet points and outrage with zero contexts is the easiest way to get them
ShadyEsperanto
I've discovered misinformation on this site comes from both sides. People are too lazy to look things up unless you provide them a link.
SooperStanky
People are lazy and predisposed to believe and upvote anything that matches their thinking. Media caters to their audience for clicks.
mittag
Noooo! It cannot be that imgur can be biased in any way! That is unpossible
ShadyEsperanto
yeah, a lot of the posts like this are an echo chamber of confirmation bias. they see something and immediately repost for points.
ShadyEsperanto
but I wouldn't blame it on media. I haven't seen a media report that states Kizer was convicted. that's purely a social media thing.
mittag
I would blame it on lack in educational system that does not teach people how to think.
Dvicemuse
If she’s innocent until guilty then why is she in prison?
SlightlyAngryAtAllTimes
That's... how it works? Until bail is posted anyway? It's not a great system but it prevents flight risks
GlenL
Please present your source that she's in prison
NotCthulhu
Both sides here agree that she was
GlenL
Then you'll have no problem providing a source
IZ42
Are you trolling?
WwwhyYouNoLikeMe
Why is she in handcuffs if she's not in prison?
IZ42
It is literally standard practice for felony charges (such as murder) to detain the person in custody until their trial.
WwwhyYouNoLikeMe
so then she is not out on bail?
brassmule
She's currently free on bail pending trial, so I am not able to answer your question since it is factually incorrect.
Dvicemuse
I see. Thanks for the info
brassmule
Her legal team appealed a specific PRE-TRIAL ruling by the court; while that appeal process plays out, her trial is on hold.
OlivetheNerd
This is especially infuriating when a lot of people suggest that women have guns on them in case they are abducted.
BunnyNoose
She shot and killed him while in captivity?
BunnyNoose
She also burned down his house.. so... that seems a little silly if you are acting in self defense.
LesPaulPilot
She was attempting to help other girls. Burned the house down to stop him from brining more girls there.
BunnyNoose
..uhuh...
BunnyNoose
She shot the guy twice in the head, stole his car and and abandoned it somewhere and went to her boyfriends house.
Someshithead241
Depending on the context of the shooting, it could be murder. Despite her horrific circumstances, shooting someone because you think they're
orangeJuiceNips
^ the objective viewpoint
Someshithead241
Its what you tend to have when you're dead inside and cannot react emotionally to most things. Safe to say, people don't like me.
Someshithead241
Reaching for a weapon is always a poor defense, especially for self defense. Because there is no actual immediate danger (key word being
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Immediate, yes I know). Her burning down his house also doesn't help her case because it shows an (understandable) rage and can be taken
Someshithead241
As motivation and possibly even premeditation. Comparing her case to KR's is just moronic because they are wildly different.
khp041000
Premeditation is the key word here. That's what actual murder is predicated on vs self defense or manslaughter
ADDGirl
It worked for the guy who killed Philando Castille.
RoamingEast
and virtually every other cop in American history.
Someshithead241
I dont know who that is and I don't especially care.
gnomedeplume
Here's one you might recognise: Kyle Rittenhouse
Someshithead241
The person who was actually attacked, not had someone reaching for a weapon, but who's own motives are questionable?
ADDGirl
A cop shot Philando and the defense was "I thought he was reaching for a gun". I'm supporting your point. Try not being a shit head.
Someshithead241
Oh, that's surprising. Usually by this point I'm being called a racist for saying this stuff. Not used to being supported, sorry.
caledric
Btw for those who don’t know. She is wearing what we call a suicide smock. This girl is so traumatized she is suicidal in prison.
VinnyTB
Really suicidal or Epstein suicidal?
badatediting
Depends on whether or not she has incriminating evidence against rich and powerful pedos.
PrisonGuard
Yes and no. High risk inmates are also placed in a suicide smock whether they are suicidal or not.
sweetandsmokey
I thought she was wearing a bulletproof vest.
LucidAftermath
They always called that the turtle suit. Ur usually strapped in a chair as well and monitored.
ExaDeuce
Its a tough situation. It clearly was premeditated but the dude was clearly a threat
sleepinggreenidea
It's pretty easy to be suicidal in US prisons. Even if you're not traumatized before, you can get traumatized there.
Slimpikins976
Epstein needed one of those poor guy....
jatene
she still has access to her neck though?
TheCavenator
Yes but she cant use her clothing to hang herself.
mtimothy
I get it though. For her to go thru that and escape just to face murder charges? I'd be unhinged.
narcoleptiKnickers
I was wondering about that. This is so messed up.
Bridgiebird
What does the smock do exactly?
idekwut
You cant be sad when you in that drip.
HughGRecti0n
Smock blocks yourself
WeenNC
They are designed to be rigid and somewhat weighted so that they are impossible to fashion into something you could hang yourself with.
MadCatIV
So instead of clothes she has to wear that? Poor kid...
khp041000
Basically it's a flak jacket
ItsReallyNotThatDifficult
Let me fuck your day up more. From her cell, she’s required to kneel so she can be shackled, ankles-to-wrists. On days when her picture >
ItsReallyNotThatDifficult
Isn’t being taken for photo-ops, she’s negotiating how to navigate the brutality of the system.
OOSpaceDwarf
Brief question, is the use of the current tense accurate? It was my understanding that she got out under supervision last year.
ItsReallyNotThatDifficult
The tense (called “present tense”) is accurate in the sense that what we all see is the bastardized corruption of a gradual system that>
ItsReallyNotThatDifficult
Exploits, so my comment is germain. Go ask a black kid trying to navigate high school.
ItsReallyNotThatDifficult
What’s fucking pathetic is that she’s safer behind bars than she was working for a pimp. It’s gotta stop, man.
InTangier
Holy fuck that's messed up. How are people angry about culture wars instead of this? Shit man :(
RubyPorto
I mean, prison being safe for prisoners is a good thing.
SantasAnagram
If prisons really were interested in rehabilitation, making them a safe space would be the first priority.
BigSecksi
This shit happens all the fucking time. Parents abuse them, pimp them out, and/or throw them out and they end up in this shit.
Esdog
Man you guys need the punisher.
lozeldatkm
But most of our cops very ironically think of themselves as the Punisher
MrJimmyRustles
What's es, dog! <- Pretty sure I made this stupid joke a few months ago too, ...Oops I did it again.
howcanmirrorsbereal
We need a just legal system. We already have plenty of wanna be punishers dressing up as cops.
Zainadin
DUDE the girl killed the bad guy she WAS the Punisher... if she was white she'd had walked out.
ilovebigmutts
Why post with out a source?
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yonafin
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/local/child-sex-trafficking-murder/
bugcooper
because its bullshit and not remotely comparable to rittenhouse
MasTequila
Google it lazy ass
AceOfShovels
OP is the lazy ass, source your shit or don't bother. It's super basic online etiquette. Know what else is pretty basic? Not being a cunt.
Preincarnated
Remember when asking for a source was considered a good thing rather than something edgy edgelords jumped on you for?
WolfRamX4
Because this post is another load of shit pertaining to this case.
CaptainxHindsight
Bc it would refute their bullshit of course.
williamrichards
Because he lied about being found guilty to spread racial disharmony
BurnThatBridgeAsWeCrossIt
You do not have to actually spread that anymore it's just kind of there...
williamrichards
Flames that go unstoked eventually die down
Bukkhockey
Because if you read about the case, you'll see that they're not comparable, and it'll destroy the race baiting narrative.
stabbedintheface
Far left race bating headlines to anger people who think imgur is news?!? Never!!!
brassmule
Also because she hasn't had a trial yet and has not been convicted of anything. That's why there's no source.
PicklestheFireCat2000
I’m not sure what you mean by that, but this girl seems to be a victim who reacted to her attacker. No?
KevynDietz
It's not clear if she was actually being attacked by Volar, which is what the trial will revolve around. It doesn't matter if Volar is a
KevynDietz
scumbag or not, you can't kill someone who has abused you JUST because he abused you.
OkFineThisWillBeMyUsername
So you are saying if I trap someone against their will and they have to kill me to escape, they are still in the wrong.
Grocklette
Well Rittenhouse got a much speedier trial. I wonder why
Bukkhockey
She's is in appeal already so she already had a trial
Grocklette
Gotcha. I saw comments claiming she hasn't had a trial yet
Bukkhockey
Im wrong. She's in appeal for a claim she made for self defense, so it's still in the beginning phase
Imalwaysready
Not comparable with what? It only mentions one case? What am I supposed to compare it to?
DarkwingDuc
Yeah, it’s not like there’s another case involving shooting in Kenosha, WI that’s been dominating the news or anything.,,,
Imalwaysready
So if there are two cases in the same city mentioning one means you have to compare it to the other? They're totally different scenarios. >
Imalwaysready
Sorry your mind went there and mind didn't, I guess?
Preincarnated
??? What?
williamrichards
Because she wasn't found guilty of first degree murder, she literally hasn't had a trial.
tzahtman
We talk about issues before they go to trial all the time. Not like Rittenhouse only popped up once the trial was over.
SnailsAgainstTungstenSpheres
@OP literally said she was found guilty. There hasn't even been a trial yet. That's the problem.
williamrichards
What does that have to do with OP being a giant fucking liar in the title of his post?
tzahtman
The post replied to specifically said there hadn't been a trial yet.
williamrichards
How the fuck would she be found guilty if there hasn't been a trial???
horseWnoname
does your computer not have google?
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horseWnoname
asking for a source when you're already USING THE INTERNET, is beyond ignorant.
HulksBigGreenDick
estenoestaocupado
ILovedUnicornsFirst
Bullshit. What was her sentence?
CRDMnster
none yet? cause the trial didn't start yet?
ILovedUnicornsFirst
Yeah, the title was misleading and I wasn’t familiar with this situation. A few others thankfully corrected me.
ILovedUnicornsFirst
Thank you, as well.
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LefthandedLink
BuT rIoTiNg DoEsN't SoLvE aNyThInG!!1! /s It's small, but at least some proof that protests DO work.
ILovedUnicornsFirst
Good. I hope they do the right thing. How could you blame the kid? I’d do the same thing. Being used that way is no life for anyone.
brassmule
She has not had a trial and has not been convicted of anything. She appealed a ruling limiting her defense by the court. It is pending.
ILovedUnicornsFirst
Ah. Thanks. Obviously, I’m not very familiar with this situation. Saying she appealed led me to believe she’d been tried. Appreciate it.
brassmule
This statement is factually incorrect. She has NOT had a trial and she has NOT been convicted of ANYTHING, only charged.
OmenJones
My mistake. Deleted the comment.
brassmule
The court denied her the ability to use a sex-trafficking self-defense affirmative defense, which her lawyers RIGHTLY appealed.
brassmule
But no trial date has even been set yet, while the appeal over this particular ruling related to the case is completed.
ILovedUnicornsFirst
Thank you. That title was misleading.
tlamstrike
She's not been found guilty, there hasn't been a full trial yet. The appeals court needs to sort of if she can use Wi Statute § 939.46(1m).
useless3y3s
Amazing how a speedy trial for her is waiting 3.5 years in jail... Wtf
LightStriker
You can't appeal unless a trial happened.
tlamstrike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlocutory_appeal
Selem
If you read the first line... 'civil procedure'. Murder happens to be a criminal offense...
tlamstrike
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/interlocutory-appeals-criminal-cases-open-closely-guarded-door
Selem
You're right, but I don't like it. I accept only the praise for being correct that the article does say in civil procedure in the first line
DorkJedi
How did it get to appeals without a verdict, comerade shillbot?
tlamstrike
Interlocutory appeal: they aren't ruling on a verdict, just on if a law is applicable to the defendant.
ath1337e
So... she was found guilty, and the case was appealed. Both you and OP were right.
Traja01
It’s called an interlocutory appeal. Happens before trial.
IMakeThemTwoAtATime
No, actually; a judge made a prelim decision on a possible defense, and that was appealed *before* the real trial. trial has not happened.
Snezko
She better not be found guilty then... a being that does that is no longer considered a being & there for should be removed from existence.
weathercow
Shhh Imgur wants to rage without having facts!
sleepinggreenidea
It ALWAYS wants to do that; it's social media. When FP was full of pro-Trump posts in 2017, it still did it but raged at different targets.
vontreigo
yup
CoarseAndSalty
In a viable justice system, no matter how horrible the things that were done to her, we shouldn't give someone a pass to shoot a person.
plusoneforall
Did she shoot him to get out the door, or she came back and found him? I’m ok with either, but the second is illegal for good reason.
CoarseAndSalty
WI only has a duty to retreat if you could be the instigator of the situation you need to defend yourself from. I'm not saying that's good,
CoarseAndSalty
That's not the mark of a functional society. It's the plot to a cheap novel.
HoldThatTHOT
So Rittenhouse should have had some repercussions for shooting people then too, right?
CoarseAndSalty
Many. Excusing this girl prior to her hearing isn't different than people saying Rittenhouse did no wrong.
bluerazzgummy
Why is so much bullshit clickbait headline stuff being shared about this woman? The story is horrifying enough without lies
HedonistBeard
Because politics. Angry sells and gets upvotes. Complex stories are not as profitable.
moonshineTheleocat
This. Additionally, there's more to the story that might be left out if she is found guilty - which would cause more uproar. -c-
moonshineTheleocat
She had killed her abuser a year after her escape. Set the house on fire, and fled the scene. I won't say how I feel about it (policies).
moonshineTheleocat
But I do wish her the best of luck on the trial. It's possible she'll be let go. Happened three times before in cases this fucked.
mycatwontletmeclosemybedroomdoor
"bullshit clickbait" - you spelled divisive propaganda wrong.
oumajgad
Because imgur is coping with another verdict from Kenosha.
NotCthulhu
"Another"... language issue or counting issue?
NotCthulhu
Which part was a lie again? I can wait.
bluerazzgummy
She wasn’t found guilty. There’s been no verdict. Was that worth the wait?
NotCthulhu
The thread has links to the fact that, because it's a murder investigation, she was imprisoned with bond; and to the charge she's appealing.
NotCthulhu
Stop trying to jump on every basic fact you hear with "SOURCE?!". Might as well ask "what source do you have that says she killed someone?!"