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LitchLitch
History profs at the lowest paid members of college faculties.
This is done to discourage people from studying history.
agentmcgee
For me, in the UK, it might have something to do with being taught nothing but the Tudors and Stewart's for 7 years in a row incorrectly because it missed our some of the monarchs such as Edward and Lady Grey amongst a lot of other stuff including Henry VIII banning the Welsh language.
UnluckyLunkhead
As I was leaving school my history teacher told us that history was the only subject that foretold the future. I wish he'd said that on the first day.
Onlyhereforthelaughs
The trick is to be passionate. You can learn anything if you're passionate about it, otherwise it's fucking BORING.
reformedxile
one word... "Sabaton"
CyberHexx
As a victim of the Mississippi Public Education System, I can confidently say that History in school is little more than pro america propaganda and unless you had a really good teacher, strong suggestions that the south were the good guys in the civil war.
FakeJakeFapper85
Ah yes, the Daughters of the Confederacy, an organization that rewrote the history of the cause of the Civil War as "State's Rights."
stronomer
It's called "intrinsic motivation".
ThanksForTheThing
IrrelevantIrrelevant
A major reason why is often that school mandated history is always sanitary.
One of the major reasons people enjoy looking into real history is you get all the gritty details. War crimes, disputes between nations, riots and all kinds of nasty things. You want to learn why they decided to tear each other apart, not just that they did.
History, like fiction, has plenty of Heroes, Villains, and side characters to learn about. It's just that most schools are either incapable or intentionally not.
ThanksForTheThing
Urgalicity
It's because school only tells half the truth, and popular media only tells the glamorous parts.
duktayp
I went to some shit schools, where the history teachers were just repeating what was in the teacher's Edition
Transmorph
When history text books originate in Texas, it's no wonder history classes are trash.
Side note: The descent of the History channel into madness still makes me sad.
LordofSadFace
I think they sill do Ancient Aliens seasons.
kittyanya
I did history 102, THEN history 101 in college. My professor was amazing.
jasondeslin
History is absolutely amazing. The most interesting subject, and the most important... But if you know history, you're almost impossible to control or manipulate.
Hence why the history that is taught in primary schools is half dry boring figures, and half propaganda. Those in power will never teach you what you need to overthrow them.
amundost
Well... fiction is written as a captivating story while history books are just written to list events. Then again, if good writers wrote high school history books, I bet it would be about a million times better
LustrousShadow
History books are written as a list of events, but what's emphasized in lessons and tests is almost entirely focused on dates and names.
The most interesting history class I had was only interesting because the period being studied lined up with the literature being studied in another class. That literature class dealt more with historical events and context than the fucking history class did...
amundost
I'm Norwegian. I learned about Vikings in school. About important battles, kings, skips, how they got their names and so on. If it was presented more like the show "Vikings", I'm pretty sure I would have payed more attention.
Heisanevilgenius
History is absolutely fascinating but it's often taught in school as "memorize these dates"
PetricusGaming
That's because history in schools are waterdown, whitewashed, or just plain bullshit.
DickButtowski
My history teacher was a bit off the walls, and now that I’ve gotten older I feel like that’s nearly every historian/history teacher
OperationBusterJangle
So there was this guy named Hannibal, and you won't fucking believe this...
bourbonandbaddecisions
I didnt come here to be personally attacked
SchizoidPanda
I think it comes from knowing that human personalities are the same through history, while interacting with people who don't. Also, I am secretly comparing them to historical people.
Mostly Romans.
Problemwoodchuck
Don't ask what my degree is in
Sheldonian
Back in my school days I found a fun hack to study history I just started to read it all like a novel, not trying to memorize the important data or make a summary of each event for the test, no, just keep reading the whole period that we were covering and omg Its made it so much more fun, it really felt like I was reading a (pretty fucked up) novel, and then tracing how the events intermingle according to the dates and people in it, suddenly I was getting it and it was more fun. The most 1/
Sheldonian
Important thing I learned is that humanity is pretty fucked up and we seem to be cursed to repeat the same mistakes again again. FUN! 2/2
mindstorm8191
I'm building a game where players climb a tech tree, starting from nothing but sticks & dirt. I've been learning a lot about the history of technology and how people acquired various resources.
I'm currently trying to figure out the earliest things a distillery can be used for (long before processing crude oil)
rshini
Alcohol, also purification and concentration of elements such as sulfur in alchemy and chemistry.
SonneilIon
Arcanum3000
finnbutnotthefishthing
At first glance I thought it said "History as a hobbit"
LitchLitch
This is deliberate.
Learning history is one of the most dangerous things someone can do.
bikergeek6249
Yep. You get to know the heartbreak of watching all of those who didn't learn history repeating it.
bikergeek6249
History in school still consists, for the most part, of memorizing names, dates, places, and battles, and regurgitating that info on a test. Dry as dust. Real history, which is about how people lived their lives and why people did the things they did, is much more interesting, and you mostly don't get to learn that until college or until you take it up as a hobby.
MartinGoller
History teacher from Germany here: we have changed our syllabus to exactly this: not regurgitating but applying knowledge and comparing things etc. Problem is: if I don't know how the Roman Republic worked (which is something you have to learn by heart) I can't compare it.
If I don't know the facts about serfdom, I can't talk about how they were living and why they acted like they did.
NefariousGoop
Story hooks is what keeps me engaged through the "dry bits". History is made of narratives, everything is interconnected. Drawing these connections and figuring out why things happened is what made history interesting for me now that I'm in my 30s. Back in school I had to learn dates of a ton of uprisings and battles but they always felt disconnected from reality.
ZackWester
or isolated... like I remmber watching a video about like a nations 20+ upprising/civilwar. History just all the 20+ upprising/civilwar on a list whit a general what each upprising was about dull as soapwash.. Random youtuber the same period of time but now it become what it was a masive amount of X was causied by X1 that caused X2 and so on so why each civilwar happen now made "sense" or at least you know why.
ZackWester
Plus the Hilarius antidote of one family that survived 6 of them and thoes 6 civilwar been told from there eyes whit a masive amount of Agda the Gov is having another hissyfit (civilwar) pack our bags we are going to grandpa untill calms down...
keyblader1985
To be fair, that's a lot of stuff. The difference is an active interest.
Thesaya
Mainly teaching methods. Our teacher just talked, and I zoned out. I read the text books for fun, though.
keyblader1985
Same. I often had to figure out where the rest of the class was because I was way ahead.
woozle
I think I know more 40k history than real history
astrangehop
I saw a meme about the Horus Heresy, so I was interested if there was media.. THERE ARE 55+ novels about something that happened millenia before the 40k setting!
LeSethX
I have learned more history after high school and have forgotten more than most Americans are ever taught (our system can be trash)
LordofSadFace
The lore is being explained to you, please do not resist.
Legomaniac91
TL;DR: Everything sucks, there is only war, and you're probably going to get eaten by Tyranids. Have fun!
BigOrangeCats
I legitimately made myself put down the silmarillion and learn about the Bronze Age because I realized how much time I was spending learning fake history when there was awesome real history to learn. That said, I’m 48 books into the Horus heresy, the emperor protects!
woozle
me and the boys reading the Horus Heresy
gumshoe99
Same with Dark Souls lore. Sseth said it best, “you’ll know every side character between than your own family.”
deviousurchin
AtsaMattaForMe
SonneilIon
So the orks are smartest when they’re babies and get dummer as they age. So do they know they’re doomed to this fate, or is that by design that somehow plays into their manipulation of reality through the power of their beliefs or something?
woozle
SoberAndBored
Yeah but real history is the same. "How did the Korean War start?" "Well, at the end of WW2... wait... WW2 happened because... wait... the Great Depression happened because... wait... WW1 ended with... wait... WW1 started because (2 hours later) ...so Varus followed Arminius because..."
AnonKneeMoose
“Warhammer but set in space, 40,000 years in the future. No one is the ‘good guys’ & Humanity is ruled by Fascism”
just4thelolz
Total war. Nobody happy.
MisterLemons
Nah, it's worse than that.
Think of the worst, most inefficient, dumbest way to get something done, add a sacrifice of a few thousand beings, make these few thousand beings extremely rare anomalies, and throw in a ritual prayer if you want this particular method to be human in nature, mention the risk of total demonic possession, and boom! Warhammer.
soulsource
What about the Orks?
just4thelolz
Plants don't count.
AnonKneeMoose
Fungus aren’t plants
bj52398
Podcast I like: History that doesn't suck. Great podcast. The best. Phenomenal.
DrMoneybeard
I'm gonna check it out. I recommend You're Dead to Me.
Problemwoodchuck
I'd chime in with Drachinifel and Dr Alex Clarke on Youtube for anyone with an interest in naval history.
bj52398
The Fat Electrician. Don't fuck with our boat. If you've never heard of search "Fat Electrician Proportional " and you'll be a giggling ball of laughter. If such a thing exists.
miles4pints
Just downloaded some. Thanks internet stranger
CityYeti
Behind the Bastards and The Dollop are great, too.
safetymonkey
Always love behind the bastards, though it does make me sad seeing the cyclical nature of History.
CarpetheCarp
The history chicks is really good! Tides of history and American story tellers are also favorites.
InTheBeginningWasTheNerd
I prefer podcasts more topic-focused, so I'll recommend the two podcasts by the grand don of history podcasts Mike Duncan, _The History of Rome_ and _Revolutions_. Plus really any rexypod, from the OG _Rex Factor_, the populariser Totalus Rankium (Roman Emperors and American Presidents both, and now Pirates), or the rest - Pontifacts, Battle Royale, Tsar Power, So You Think You Can Rule Persia, The Alexander Standard, Prime Time, and others. Even the literary ones (Saga Thing, Grimm Reading).
fightfightfightlosewinfight
Big Ups to Mike Duncan
certifiedllama
History that sucks is the history worth knowing the most. Dont shy away from the tough stuff
madeejit
This. I always liked the line that anyone who enjoys reading about their country's history... is not reading history.
certifiedllama
Exactly. I'm taking a Germany after 1945 class and fucking hell. It is hard to learn, and that makes it all the more learning
mijolnirmk4
I’ll be checking that one out. My go to is Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History. Each series is several ~4 hour episodes on a specific subject and he reads right from primary sources. Absolutely mesmerizing.
Empirepoppinrebelsdroppin
Always up vote dan carlin
Zeddicuszull
The best one is behind the bastards. If you want to know why this specific part of society is terrible it's because one dude intentionally invented the idea and made it worse.
For example, there was a CEO of GE that invented the idea of stock manipulation and is why everything is terrible. When your only goal is short term stock increases it turns out doing self destructive activity like massive layoffs and reorgs can invent the illusion of something exciting happening which increases stock.
bj52398
I listen to Behind the Bastards, too. Good stuff!