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CyberAkuma
I kinda worry that many still won't due to "traditional" husbands/fathers who insist the new law is wrong and won't let them...
Shewy92
Good news for Danica Patrick
OobedoobScoobyDoobyBenubi
Maybe in another hundred years women might even be considered people in Saudi Arabia
Digsby
Underrated comment.
woeman
so great, now a lesbian can drive to her own stoning...
Kontrolli
DrShrinker
Just a distraction from the rest of the human right violations they are guilty of.
bigmrt
Stone age country moves into the 20th century.
fairybug
That is one of the more biting and harsh critiques I've ever seen. "Congratulations on oppressing your women slightly less, fuckwads!"
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malzaharius
Sorry. Just realized that this is out of context. I'll leave it here anyway.
fairybug
I respect that. Take my upvotes for both comments.
iSpaYco
i'm a Muslim, but i found it funny how they was allowing them to drive a plane but not a car.. thankfully they woke up
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Planes don't jostle your ovaries as much as cars, you know.
Chandraven
They didn't wake up. They just oppress women only slightly less now. Fucking barbarians.
meredithboberedith
helgur
Oh shit, for a moment I thought you brought that up ironically because of the plane vs building incident and I laughed. I'm horrible :(
AVoiceOfReason
They were*
donkeymoney
Well, they found out you can do terrorism with a car now, too.
Mintendo64
This post made me happy so I went to Google it and the first result was a news story about Saudi men threatening to burn female drivers. :(
LegVacuum
It has nothing to do with "rights" and all that crap, it's an economic decision since they're tired of paying others to bus them around.
TofurkyIsTheBestFurky
Took me a long time to realize that was a rear view mirror
AbominableAbdominals
ucfh
And until i read yours, i didn't even think of it being a Niqab. Weird.
bobstallone
That is a woman, you uncultured swine
Goddamnitmisterrnoodle
It's a mirror on humanity :p
shmachero
Is that a mirror in your pocket? Because I can see myself in your pants, humanity.
ImjurJiffer
They are allowed to wear makeup?
InsideWinner187
I don't think their need to
clnoy
And high-fashion brands.
ucfh
And slutty lingerie.
itsawful
does it take you a long time to realise many obvious things?
ThermoNuke
Nope. Realized pretty quick that youre an asshole. Any more riddles I can solve for you?
ObiWanShalomi
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ThePotatoThatRolls
Fucking rip lmao
itsawful
tfw shouldn't have been mean to the guy who take a long time to understand things
FeyTheBin
Just let it go -- you don't have to dig yourself deeper.
Vampy707
Ngugi
MSUDr80
What’s this from again?
MSUDr80
Never mind
MildlyLivid
Mad Max : Fury Road
CluckingKing
Breaking Bad
DidNotInhale
Mad max
banthis
Mad Furiosa: Fury Road
binky4me
Daemon7777
Can we plz continue our interview?
Ohboyshit
Arent those Syrian rebel fighters?
ImpossiblyStrangeStranger
Yup it's in Idlib in Northern Syria..as the tag in the upper right say
IRPAZ
nj23dublin
Driver’s licenses are going to be very similar
JoggingWithForks
Stop glorifying this oppressive regime. It's still one of the worst places on earth to be a woman.
VodkaReindeer
I doubt it even comes in the top 50 worst places.
W92Baj
Appreciating they made a step forward is hardly 'glorifying'!
morgan0073
Now they can complain about woman drivers like everybody else.
emallumlum
Believe me i'm saudi guy the traffic here is one of the worst and if you ask me its not open minded to let them drive it just liberalsbitchs
BlindyBlindMansSonnySon
Remember ready about a 70 year old English fella getting sentenced to 70 lashes for making him self some wine
Shoutrr
FlossieBelle
That is too funny!
chakmanga
Isn’t the ad saying that as well
AviArts
*muffles something*
jackcker
How do you find this shit!?
AeEvolution
By living in France. That show, Groland, is (was) a real beautiful thing. :)
Yavin1v
oh yh good old groland , that guy was so funny :)
Shoutrr
yup, this show was a meme generator.
MadDrDrillBit
im glad for them finally poking their head out of the cave on this, do thay still need male relative escort?
Ohboyshit
No. The king said women wont need that
TheWorldIsMacaroni
I mean it's not that simple though. Women need to be over 30 and have permission of male guardian to drive. Still not good enough...
Ehab1991
no. where are you getting this information?
StalkerSan
Rumors. They still haven't decided how to implement this. 26 days until they say how.
donkeymoney
lol imagine having to learn for the first time how to drive at 30...it will be tough.
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
i'm 29 and i'm not even planning on getting a license anytime soon ...
meredithboberedith
My husband learned at 25. He was much more scared than I was learning ten years earlier, but learned pretty quickly.
donkeymoney
thats good
donkeymoney
It's just, considering how sexist SA is, this is a tiny and pathetic step in the right direction, they deserve zero kudos.
meredithboberedith
Agreed
SanchoLibre
This ad will get banned in Austria tomorrow.
GeneralPigly
Why?
HassanAlSabbah
Niqab is banned in Austria.
SanchoLibre
From the 1st of October, wearing any type of veil/mask/cloak in public is illegal. https://imgur.com/YylFM3i
SanchoLibre
The instructional poster says: Permitted / Permitted (under specific conditions) / forbidden
sdfsdfsfccc
I've been to Saudi, I promise: Nobody can drive.
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CmdrZellgaudis
Probably all the sand.
Howdoyoupronouncethiswebsitesname
Saudi and Bombay. Two places where I shudder thinking about sheer traffic chaos.
truedeathdealer2718
Saudi here can conform
GunnerIke
They're the best, worst drivers. So good at being terrible. But when they crash, it is SPECTACULAR!!
Ehab1991
i'm from saudi arabia and i agree
cheeseguy3412
Burn. Sunburn, specifically.
lobsterslovebutter
Agreed! I lived there from 2014-2016.
ematic
I believe you, they drive that way then they're here in Canada, too.
joevair
Been to middle Georgia? All we lack are camels on the highways.
Visser5
I taught at a Saudi school. The parents coming to get the kids scared me. They almost run them over. It's a very "this is my road" mentality
truedeathdealer2718
It's more off a " believe that god will get you home safely" mentality
whydotheycometometodie
insha'allah
imnotalightbulb
Agreed! Age of the road is based upon how many cars are on the side in a heap
Spekuku
it is horrible. absolutely horrible.
Davidnfilms
Especially with the windscreen blacked out, I can't see outta there.
AngrySlaveASlaveStill
They can car-ski tho.
bronypokey6918
nooooice
cousteau
It says here that women can now; I guess the next step is lettimg men drive so that everybody can.
randomnamegenerator
Been to the middle east....NO ONE can drive. FTFY
bananathundercats
Might be a while Arab world thing, no one in Morocco can drive either
Dunekoon
Its like a fight to see whos worse
truedeathdealer2718
More of a high stakes game of chicken
Arcian
For the longest time, road injuries were the leading cause of death in Saudi Arabia. It has since been passed by ischemic heart disease.
UnemployedReceptionist
They're just winging it, and it works... for some inexplicable reason.
KamalaKhan
Even here in the US our mosque parking lot is a mess. THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO DRIVE! SERIOUSLY SOMEONE TEACH THEM!
samsonguy920
This is the US. Nobody here knows how to drive, either.
lovu123
Same in Canada.
PulpyOJ
That hagwallah craziness looks scary as hell
theangryquokka
there's a week every year when they put totaled cars on every corner to show the dangers of driving. obviously doesn't work lol
justasomeone
lol i totally remember that! on those giant spools painted white.
whydotheycometometodie
It help keep cars from going off the road in a crash. Sometimes.
somedudefromgermany
Strongharbour432
Looks fine to me, good way to slide around the potholes at least
LookintoForever
In case no one else sees it. This is how you change a tire
PhireHandy
Looks like some pretty radical Islam
sundaymondayhippyday
DieselWolf
Wat?
GraphicsInterchangeFormat
Those poor tires
cnlohr
Sauce?
somedudefromgermany
Its in here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzVcTz8UwGE Seems to be a trend......
truedeathdealer2718
No it's not there has too be at least 4 guys ON tge car for it too count everybody knows that
GoldenSlime
What do you drive? A two wheeler
MisterTrashPanda
I've driven in Saudi when I was over there for work. You literally have to pretend you're playing Mario Cart. Worst drivers ever.
thegreatwhiteape
Qatar residents laugh at you
zigzagler
"WHY DO I KEEP GETTING FUCKING BANANAS, I'M NOT EVEN IN FIRST"
Ivain
STOP GIVING ME COINS IN GODDAMN LAST PLACE NINTENDO!
truedeathdealer2718
Shpuld be notede that we actually drive like we're playing need for speed or burnout , never mario cart
joevair
Not a country built on civil laws.....
RudyWolf
That sounds both awesome and terrifying at the same time
idonthaveanyideawhatthehelliamtalkingabout
yeah there are no extra lives and no resets
AquaticEpicc
Are there lives in Mario Cart?
idonthaveanyideawhatthehelliamtalkingabout
can you die ?
bongles
Well there's balloons
Tinkrr
In another 100 years, women might be considered people in Islamic cultures :D
BurakAgdas
In another 100 years, children might be able to play soccer on a beach without getting bombed by... civilized people.
HassanAlSabbah
Plenty of Muslims consider women as people and equal with men, bud. Look at the Prophet (pbuh) and Fatima.
Tinkrr
Don't conflate practitioners of Islam to Islamic Culture. You can be a Muslim and have a western culture ya' dink.
HassanAlSabbah
Did I say you couldn't? And I'm just countering that women have been considered equal in Islamic culture for centuries. In the early 1/2
HassanAlSabbah
Caliphates, men and women had equal property, economic, etc. rights. How many Christian cultures of the time could say that?
Tinkrr
Now let's live in the modern world, because living in the past is idiotic. Why not just call all Germans Nazis because they once were.
Tinkrr
Yea equal, http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/19/middleeast/dubai-british-tourist-rape-arrest-claim/index.html
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
it's disingeneous to conflate saudi arabia with the entire "islamic culture".
Tinkrr
You're right, they're the advanced ones in the culture that surrounds countries controlled by an islamic culture.
chiefs86
Yeah, they're one of the only Islamic countries to actually have a semi-functioning system of government.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Ya, mostly cause the US backs the shit out of them ever since the oil crisis a while ago. Make sure their happy so they don't cut oil supply
alazyamerican
They are still possessions in the Bible.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
What?
Tinkrr
And we tend to view people who adhere to that as cults and often put their leaders into jail, instead of you know nations and cultures.
alazyamerican
Traditional wedding vows are still popular. Do you know which one swears to obey?
Tinkrr
And what happens in our culture if you try to enforce those vows if someone isn't preforming them voluntarily?
alazyamerican
I hope you don't mean the strongly religious parts of Utah.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Well seeing as "can a husband rape his wife." Is actually a recent debate in a lot of states in gonna go with yes to at least some degree.
FilthyRapscallions
Where is she sitting for this angle? The armrest?
OriginaIPoster
Anythings a dildo if you're brave enough
Treblaine
McClaren F1. Central driving seat.
LadyIJustWorkHere
Same place I would, normally in the driver seat. She just angled the rear view mirror so she can do make up in the car (not when driving).
Geracht
Nope; you mouthed off in the backseat about women drivers and she pointed it square at you and is about to rip you a new one verbally.
StevieDanger
Dude, get off her butt. It's her first time behind the wheel.
FilthyRapscallions
I suppose it’s better than the back seat.
StumbleJunkie
Under rated comment of the day right here, +1
MSUDr80
You realize you’re supposed to angle the rear view mirror, right?
SlipperyDickery
Not so much that you can see your face lol
StevieDanger
Yeah, exactly. So you can see yourself while you drive.
glock1993
No, the gear stick
floxsyu
can Ford find that Gear spot?
wheresmymoneydenny
ThePerfectGif
ArithmeticFascist
I love when the reply has more points than the comment.
puratic
MemeStealingSkeleton
3PiecesOfBread
ayytothelmao
Howelse would you change gears?
SexualConsent
Western girls use dildos, Saudi girls make do
anSSLerrorhasoccuredandasecureconnectiontotheservercannotbemade
Trystor
Wauphale
Wauphale
Wauphale
WildotheDildo
Cuntmuncher3000
RIP
Imalwaysready
Ripped off an artist's image, though: http://static.adweek.com/adweek.com-prod/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/raseef22-right-to-drive.jpg
OrionRed
broken link...maybe overloaded?
Imalwaysready
Basically someone in the region, J. Walter Thompson Doha, won an actual ad award for an almost identical image last year.
Imalwaysready
https://files1.coloribus.com/preview/x600/files/adsarchive/part_2135/21359855/file/raseef22-right-to-drive-1024-85460.jpg
OrionRed
Oh...wow...that is almost identical. Except the new ad makes the woman have western makeup.
Imalwaysready
Yeah, basically the same, but Westernized. And people in the West are fawning over how genius it is.
OrionRed
We don't get out much.
5tavros
This is some awesome imagery
shreddedking
if only ford cars were this much brilliant
ViktorKovacs
yes, many much
FurtiveGlancer
darthlordvadermort
Thats exactly what I thought it was implying for a second
KeeleonOhms
Honestly its still a little depressing. So they can drive but they still have to wear Burkas.
Ehab1991
they don't have to
KeeleonOhms
Is that true? Ive never heard of that going away.
Ehab1991
They don't have to wear them in general not just for driving
eviscera
Yeah. This in no way makes Saudi Arabia a progressive country. Women are still little more than property.
ImjurJiffer
They are allowed to wear makeup?
tinytimbeckybright
Oh they can and they wear a ton of it too. *I don't mean that in a bad way*
gillberg
imgury*
Aksuuuh
Pronounce it
theirishninja
imagerery
OhMyGurs
Why the freaking downvotes... That's a clever comment.
Aksuuuh
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's not a big deal though.
MajesticPorkSwordOfGlory
Like how we pronounce this site?
sundaymondayhippyday
They teach you it's image- er when you sign up
crazy but true
Tjitso
Imjur or imgur?
TLanguageExpert2
imager
omgur
Why so much hatred, folks ? Many countries did not allow women to vote until ~100yrs ago. Many countries were colonies ~70yrs ago (1/n)
RedDwarfIV
Worth noting that in the UK, women only get universal suffrage 10 years after men did. Before that it was based on land ownership not sex.
omgur
The growth/change happened in western countries cannot be the yardstick for everyone. Every country/region will change/grow in its own (2/n)
omgur
..pace based on its own context. Lets welcome the move, appreciate the creativity of the Ad and do our best to be nice to one another (n/n)
Mdp2525
Comments have political & gender subtextual biases that aren't overtly stated. Most aren't taking it at face value but slyly pushing agenda>
Mdp2525
The fact it concerns women's rights, Saudi Arabia and subsequently religion, brings many to virtue signal about more than the topic at hand
NeganSmash
people cheering saudia arabia for this yet its illegal to be gay. oh but america is sooo oppressive
mtgtprh
Oppression in one place does not cancel out oppression in another.
TheJonatron
That they're still assbackward is no reason not to celebrate a step forward.
lttldvl
The whataboutism is strong in this one
jimmyriba
Dude, you're (hopefully!) not competing against Saudi Arabia in terms of human rights. Compare yourself to Canada, Northern Europe, etc.
Ohboyshit
It wasnt long ago it was illegal to be gay in the US.
ITalkAboutGoats
Just because other places are a hot mess doesn't mean we're paradise. It's only been 2 years since gays got the right to marry.
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theresgarlicinthatnebula
I mean it was only in 2003 that we decriminalized being gay...
clnoy
But they always had the right to go merry!
pancreas
Its not a game of winning or losing. One countries oppressions are irrelevant to anothers. USA is still a joke in things like gov corruption
pancreas
And I'm not talking about Trump, I'm talking about things that far precede him.
somenerandom
US isn't paradise, but I feel you sometimes forget how well you actually have it in a lot of regards. Every issue you have already exists>
somenerandom
somewhere else in a much more severe form. I'm not saying don't fight to change things,I'm saying do try to appreciate what you already have
somenerandom
somewhere else in a much more severe form. I'm not saying don't fight to change things,I'm saying do try to appreciate what you already have
theresgarlicinthatnebula
I can appreciate what we have while working to make it better, and complaining about those who would set us backwards.
Skizzlesnap
Now all we have to do is get Saudi Arabia to stop the rest of their 3rd World practices and join the rest of the modern world.
AzgarOgly
Considering current sate of affairs in the World it is rather other countries be gradually joining them in the "modern world" they build.
FauxErsatz
I mean, their prince seems to agree with you.
TrustMeImABassist
Brazilian here, beating people because of some ancient bullshit religions is actually frowned upon here in the 3rd world.
capnsebastian
And try not to bomb the fuck out of everyone there in the attempt
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TheBlueMuppet
YOU BOZO! THOSE BOARDS DONT WORK ON SAND! UNLESS YOU GOT POWER!
definitelynotawolf
*incentive
Skizzlesnap
Maybe start with not beheading people in the streets or taking religion so seriously.
pancreas
alright, you can go be the spokesperson. I believe in you. Good luck.
Waffleguy13
That's a good start
alovelypintofguinness
Thats not third world mate, source: I live in a third world country. That is plain black ages behaviour
gunnexx
Theyve got too much oil to do that
SamySoosa
*Now all we have to do is get Saudi Arabia to stop.
Aligatorlog
Easier said than done, the King may have absolute power but the Wahhabis can overthrow him if they feel his is being to liberal.
RomeoSniper
Ya if we could get them to stop supporting and funding Wahhabi Terrorism, that'd be great.
BurakAgdas
Yeah, and if we could get the ones that keep supporting those who fund wahhabi terrorism..that would be great as well.
metalfoto
Fact is US/UK/Europe prefer such kind of "safe" governments to deal and import gas/oil without worries like "democracy" and human rights..
metalfoto
Scrolling for that +1. Sadly was the main policy since WW2 ended. They will forever fear to be outnumbered by Iran, until they turn into
metalfoto
Crazy radical evry single poor kid from pakistan, bangladesh, malesia, bosnia, albania, montenegro.. and this list could go on and on
iamnotabunnywhydoyouask
Like letting women drive?
maugriman
You mean like denying life saving health care to their most vulnerable citizens?
thiscommentwillselfdestruct
"Rest of the world"
Sweiner
If the government wasn't a totalitarian monarchy....
Phenome
And then we can do the same with america!
rollipukki
They are also criminalizing sexual harrasment. King Salman gave the goverment 60 days to make a draft for the anti-harassment law.
FootSauce
Kind of like what we did as Christian's!
cousteau
I.e. give freedom of religion, stop criminalizing gays and rape victims, abolish death penalty…
brateBane
At the same time the "modern world" are being islamized....
Itsalrighttobeconservative
Germany, Sweden, UK, France, Spain. All lost.
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
Yes. Here I am, in the UK, now a Muslim, along with all my friends and family.
brateBane
moron. Everythings a joke to you people isnt it?
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
As a response to complete fabricated horseshit? Yes. Because the assertion that somehow all these countries are 'lost' to Muslim's is 1/
IHugTrees
I'm sorry, I don't understand. What makes you say that?
pancreas
kind of ironic.
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
That's strange, because having just poked through a few pages of census and YouGov statistics, the growing (and by some reports majority) 1/
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
religious response in the UK is 'no religion', so I'd really like to know what you mean and where you got that from. 2/2
Opul
Yet 'no religion' is tediously more complicated than it seems. (But your point still stands)
SchrodingersSchrodinger
I dunno if the modern world is that high of a star to shoot currently!
GapingAnalCavity
They certainly seem to think so since they're coming here in greater numbers than ever before.
diligentimugarian
Oh get off your high horse... the modern world isn't better than anywhere else.
SlightlyDodgy
Not the words I was going to use, but the sentiment is the same. I am shamed by the actions of much of the west. &thanks to the influence /1
SlightlyDodgy
/2 the title Trump now has, he has started to set the clock back to the 60's. If it goes back much further it'll take a hundred years or /3
SlightlyDodgy
/3 more to bring us to where we are now, it's a sad state of affairs when one person can influence so many into thinking the way they do now
SlightlyDodgy
/4 but then again, fictional characters from approx 2020 years ago have still caused hame today so I shouldn't be suprised!
Ninjafromnorway
Careful with all that edge. Someone might fall off.
undungubungu
Remember, a lot of middle eastern countries are being held together by strong dictatorships, without it, they would fall into civil war 1/2
TheSealcubclubbingclub
Because they're a bunch of savages.
undungubungu
like Syria. You cannot force modern ideals and democracy upon a population that is not ready for it. 2/2
NobodyExpectsTheSpanishInquistion
Implementing democracy is always hard. Look at France. Instant mass-executions, wars, a coup turning it back into monarchy (Napoleon) ect.
seanymcseanface
Not saying you're wrong, but I think it is important to note that Syria's govt is secular, not theocratic like the Saudi's
Mimsey
But you can force a military occupation on them! You just can't half-ass it like Dubya did.
undungubungu
You can. But without innate knowledge of the countries ethnicities, you are doomed by the insurgency. No military might can make peace in1/2
undungubungu
Afghanistan for example. And our western morality prevents us from putting the insurgency down with the required force. 2/2
Pryotra
Maybe, just maybe, if they got rid of an ancient, religious set of laws that happen to encourage throwing gays off of buildings, they could.
Homosexualsaregay
How do you feel about corporal punishment? Genuine question. It's interesting to hear how people justify one form of death to the other
Mechlai
maybe just maybe, we could keep evolving as a species without them. Let them have their humanity while we become something greater.
truedeathdealer2718
We dont throw gays off buildings anymore too much of a hassle just throw them in jail instead or shoot them lol http://i.imgur.com/16Np16F.g
jrntn
The US should too
forte10
"Whoa, slow down there, Satan." - Saudi Arabia, probably.
KineticSpinz
I wonder who cleans the gays up off the ground?
YourLittleBuddy
Rick Sanchez has built a robot for that.
LurkerByNature
"What is my purpose?"
italyball
Gays are the cornerstone of modernism. I mean, they created so much because of all that time spent in the closet.
scarface98
Whoa whoa whoa man. That right there is hate speech. Calm yourself
LongoloidFartExplosion
They should keep the good bits.
Pryotra
Like?
potshot
Yeah, that's the point. That kind of change doesn't happen overnight though. Those customs are deeply integrated, and ripping them out (1)
potshot
Will leave a void. You're right they beed to be changed, but it needs to be done step by step, and this is one such step.(2)
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imgurcommocrugmi
Yeah and there's also studies on how the Ku Klux Klan actually really loves racial diversity. By "studies" we mean "I say so", right?
OaksParcel
There's real life and fact on how it absolutely doesn't.
KingBanana8008
Funny, same could be said about a lot of Western Countries.
thescyllaandcharybdis
Then where would they throw the gays? See you never think things through
Abrausedteleprot
throw the gays a nice party with mohitos and poppers?
SirReginaldDukeOfChutney
If I threw it they wouldn't show up because it would be too tacky.
Hybris51129
Yeah but every time we try to push that people complain about "how its wrong" and that's a "crime against humanity" to suggest the concept.
z3lfmoord
The Koran doesn’t say to throw them off buildings... does it?
imgurcommocrugmi
It says to kill them, and throwing them off buildings is just a popular method of doing so.
Pryotra
The Koran only says to kill them. There is a Hadith that says they should be thrown "from the highest summit".
Opul
Shariah is such a terribly complicated matter in and of itself that when muslims refer to it is akin to Westerners refering to 'justice' 1/?
Mimsey
Shariah is not complicated. It's the idea that, "God gave us perfect laws and no man-made laws can compare so don't even think about it."
Opul
That comes quite close to what I have learned about democracy. The point is that the common Muslim, just as the common Westener, only 1/?
Opul
has associations on this idea, rather than a clear cut set of rules. If it was that easy for them, they wouldn't have needed theological 2/?
Opul
Or 'democracy'. Point being: its complicated, the 1300 years of interpretation making it even worse so. Surely, the laws are very much 2/?
Opul
Inspired and to a certain degree afforded by different Islamic sources such as the Qur'an and hadith, but I think you should blame the 3/?
Opul
Tradition of a certain way of interpretation more than the religion itself. At this point, as usual, I'm not sure I am conveying the 4/?
Charcharm
Doesn't look they ever will.
artydax
Women will be driving in June, so it's highly possible.
Aligatorlog
The King choosing to allow women to drive was a dangerous one because he can't go to far liberal or else the Wahabis will overthrow him.
Charcharm
I suspect they will not be met with enthusiasm and the attitude will take years to change. Well, it is a start.
s0bere
Oh we can help them. ya know. With a little kaboomboom
somenerandom
You can't force people to give up a belief system. You can force them to stop practicing it openly, but that just creates martyrs and leads>
somenerandom
to more trouble in the long run. Bombs don't solve everything, you know.
Rantaf
Yes, more middle-eastern people hating the US is what we need. Great plan.
s0bere
Thousands people in Saudi Arabia want to be free. Free them and kill the others
njorunn
Pretty sure many would hate you even without "kaboom", considering their sacred texts tell them to dislike non-believers.
LusidFrost
You mean to tell me ancient religions can be wrong? Psch, get out'a here...
iamwang
Heretic!
MuppetSexer
They're no match for a blaster
danthorg
Looks like we're coming up on alderaan
YourLittleBuddy
Looks like Alderaan is coming up all over the place.
Drbubbles47
Got it! Just gotta make them believe the ancient, religious set of laws are gay and let nature take its course.
PurestEvil
...by letting them and their culture flood into Europe, which then in turn gradually implements Sharia step by step?
wyatt8740
Spotted the AFD voter
PurestEvil
1. I don't see the issue with that. The last election proved that Germany is headed to its final downfall. I won't settle there for sure...
ShaZam1269
No, they adopt the mores and folkways of other cultures
PurestEvil
Yeah... the factor at which that happens is much less than the factor at which the country (with neo-Marxists reigning it) adapts to them.
PurestEvil
For example gypsies in Hungary did barely adapt, even after many centuries. Their lifestyles are still quite distinct to ours.
wyatt8740
Note that in Iran post-revolution, there's a huge underground market for western music/books/films. A lot of people like western culture.
PurestEvil
1. That's because there are many factors (culture, politics, ideology) influencing people, and if religious influence becomes lower, it
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2. it causes both, the moral limitations decrease and the amount of people doing them increases.
fauxnews
You have to let Saudi Arabia to do Saudi Arabia. It took Europe almost 300 years (since Enlightenment) to develop these social 1/
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2/ institutions. Expecting the middle east to adopt the same cultural norms immediately is a bit ethnocentric and almost impossible to do.
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5/ The U.S. is still having debates on social equality (race, gender, labor, religion, voting, immigration, marriage, sexuality, and etc.)
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4/ i.e. "This is our idea and not the US's or the UN's". You can't force a new ideology on a people that's used to a certain way.
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3/ Saudi Arabia is slowly adopting these norms to both give the people the opportunity to acclimate and to minimize "Western" involvement...
jammin208
This reminds me of an old saying: "a man convinced against his will, is a man unconvinced"
OBM1
Yep
Winterous
It's a pretty good 12 cents.
Threewisemen
You're forgetting 1 really important thing: they already had these social institutions, 50 years ago.
fauxnews
A few Democracies had these social institutions prior to dictatorial coups. An institution needs time to cement.
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6/ Yet the U.S. is supposedly a paragon of democracy, culture, and modernity. Just my 12 cents.
lazlo09
Us is about 200 years after europe in social equality. They still worship kings (rich powerful ppl).
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
So by your description, so does america, rich powerful people held on a pedestal regardless of merit. Except Europe doesn't do that.
fauxnews
Sure, it feels like it, but reality is much different. Worship is not a social institution and very, very few people do it.
Foodjunkies
I would not agree on the worship part, but yea i live in a really small town in europe (split, croatia). 1/2
Foodjunkies
Most americans that visit think we behave like a third world country.2/2
Mimsey
The Muslim world was more advanced than Europe at the time as well. So why didn't it modernize with it? Because of Islam. [1]
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Islam went from having world-class scholars and humanitarians to being backwards, hateful bigots in the span of a century or two. [2]
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It did this with the "closing of the gates of ijtihad". Literally "stop thinking critically". [3]
Mimsey
Much of the Muslim world collectively decided God had given them perfect laws and a perfect society with the Quran/Hadith/Shariah. [4]
fauxnews
The Muslim world was more advanced than Europe under Islam, so your premise is a little flawed.
Mimsey
"WAS" being the key term. Then it WAS NOT. Europe passed Islam and the gap between them has only grown over the centuries since.
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And with the help of the British and the Americans, Suffism/Wahabism killed any and all social progress in the 50's and 60's.
fauxnews
Colonization and Western interference had nothing to do with the radicalization of the the Muslim world in the 50's?
Mimsey
Which 50s? 1950s? 1850s? 1750s? 1650s? All had their own Muslim Brotherhood. Usually with that very name! [1]
Mimsey
Islam fucked itself all on its own when it was in power. When the Ottomans were the height of civilization on Earth. [5]
Mimsey
Islam had no qualms about conquering Spain. Most Muslims didn't even think the Crusades were a big deal at the time! [3]
Mimsey
A global Muslim alliance would number 1.3 billion people and control huge swathes of oil, mineral, and logistical resources, right? [9]
Mimsey
The Muslims killed their own progress, their own prosperity, their own freedom, their own equality. THEN Europe trampled them. [7]
Mimsey
And so what? The West and the Muslim world interfered with one another for CENTURIES. It only became taboo after the West leapt ahead. [2]
Mimsey
For centuries the Muslim world was the peak of humanity, and the West didn't end that. The Muslims did. [6]
Mimsey
But then the West got guns, tanks, planes, and the Enlightenment and Democracy and suddenly it's wrong to return the favor. [4]
Mimsey
How can they compete if they stone their gays instead of letting them contribute to their society? [13]
Mimsey
Because of Islam. Because of the same backwards ideology that made the empire trivially weak compared to Europe in the first place. [11]
Mimsey
So why isn't the Muslim world competing with the West now that it has free access to all of our knowledge? [10]
Mimsey
Half a nation is female. LGBTQ individuals are at least 10% of a population. Let's ballpark other "heritics" at a mere 10% as well. [15]
Mimsey
There you have it. Potentially 70% of their population is repressed or overtly oppressed by an iron age cult's tenets. [16]
Mimsey
They've had plenty of chances to modernize. Why don't they? They have all the resources. [8]
Mimsey
How can they hope to catch up to the West, let alone surpass it, if their backward religion is forcing them to compete at 30% capacity? [14]
fauxnews
It's not their backward religion. Their backward religion was responsible for scientific, architectural, and social achievements [1/
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[9] The point here isn't "what was", rather "what will be". Islam is a philosophy of life for those people and you cannot force 1.3...
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[13] people to obey it immediately. In the U.S., large corporations are getting caught discriminating against blacks, despite the illegality
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[5] Wahhabism didn't exist in Islam until the 1930's and even then, it was a tiny sect. It gained power through Western subversion.
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[15] To kill the weed and the root. For the new generation to grow up with only communism. The old ideology must die for a new one to grow.
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[8] Why do you think the borders were drawn by the British? Why did the CIA fund the Mujahadeen and radical leaders?
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[6] There are many documents on the fracturing and destabilizing of the Middle East precisely for the reason you mentioned...
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[3] That's like denying Christianity the advances made under the Church because the Westboro group is filled with barbarians.
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[4] Even in the 1950's, social progression was happening under a religious banner. Tehran and Kabul were two very liberal cities.
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[10] adherents to give up everything they know because you think your perspective on life is the correct one. Morality is not universal and
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[11] spreading your ideology by force cannot and will not succeed. Hence allowing Saudi Arabia to slowly adopt institutions.
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[12] You don't seem to realize that in the Middle East, there is no Rule of Law. There is only Islam. You cannot create a law and expect
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[14] Old world views die with the passing generations. Why, do you think, did the communists execute the Capitalists before statehood?