Trump wants to kill you and your kids in a pointless oil war. Did you see where he's paying a company a billion dollars to NOT build alternative energy?
It’s wild how he talks about government as a money making venture. It’s the only way he can understand things. He has no concept of public good or service.
I envy him. Like imagine being able to do and say anything and people are just like "Oh, you little scamp!" What Leprechaun did he fuck over or Genie did he get dirt on?
Pfft, Bush at least TRIED to hide the reason for the Iraq war, this guy's not even doing that. Doesn't take a genius to figure out why we hate the war.
'*I* would make plenty of money'. Not the oil industry or the larger US economy aka the Dow, nevermind the American people. He only cares about how much he can make for himself. I bet that's how netanyadolf convinced him (aside from extorting him with the epstein files).
I mean, Venezuela happened. Same thing. I’d love to see how much Donny personally got in that deal. My favorite part of that story is they offered Maduro’s head of security $10M to turn him over and he did and then they stiffed him. So on brand. We can’t tell THAT story lol
He's saying America should be murdering people to steal their national wealth.
So if you ever wonder why people hate you enough to strap a bomb to their chest and kill themselves, just for a chance to also kill a few Americans: this is why.
He's just a crook. He's upset because when he was 7 years old, the Iranians created a democracy and told the foreign oil companies to take a hike. Four years later, the CIA installs the Shah, and the oil companies are back in. Then 40 years later, another revolution, the Ayatollah is in and the oil companies are kicked out again. He's mad because the Iranians won't let him take THEIR oil. This has nothing to do with nukes. That deal was already settled.
The USA voted this deranged old man in. Unfortunately, the Congress and the SCOTUS did not do their jobs and allowed him free rein. The system failed when those in power capitulated to this menace. It is said it is hard to put the genie back into the bottle, I hope that adage is not true. We will find out after the mid-terms. Until then, buckle up America.
The world needs a global police force that can take care of situations like this. USA ("The mightiest nation in the wuuuurrld") clearly can't. Isn't it ironic - they have spent billions and billions on millitary, but the one thing that broke the nation's back was a smelly, stupid, evil hobo.
"I want other peoples valuables, because I'm a thief, but you lot whine about your kids, if I could I'd let your kids die, I just want the wealth, it's all I've ever cared about, getting more money," Pedogent DJT [Translated into English from Trumpian].
Trump once boasted that he cheated on the IRS and that it made him "smart". So it is not surprising to see him claim that it is "smart" to attack other countries and take their resources, because the USA are so much greater and more free than other countries. Laws don't mater to him, only his personal gain.
Basically he's saying the American people would be bothered by thousands of troops dying in a full blown war in Iran. Then many more dying during years of asymmetrical attacks from militias and armed groups while trying to maintain control of population that wants them out.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, and absolutely not applying to people who already joined prior to this. But if you're signing up to join the army now, to be sent over for oil and no other reason, I don't think you deserve any of the praise and accolades of a "hero". You're just agreeing to be a paid thug/murderer for an oil company. Which sure, maybe you need the money. It's a job. But I doubt it pays well, and at least you're not killing people flipping burgers... unless you doing it very poorly.
Also no, I'm not implying that getting a job is easy, or that you just need to go flip some burgers. I'm saying that if you're taking the job because it's the only one available, and you need the money to live, you're not absolved of shooting innocent people or dropping bombs on schools. I would agree if you can't survive being unemployed, and the only job the wealthy are willing to pay you to do is a cheap crowd control and murder service, than that situation is a royally effed one. But, c'mon.
I actually do think he plans to be locked in a bunker while declaring a state of emergency and calling off the vote by forcing people to stay home and making mail in ballots illegal.
It takes a LOT of money to pay enough enforcers on the outside. Money he knows Congress can’t get him in a shutdown.
We are in the middle of a series of dry runs … they’re rushing them out because they didn’t expect to need it for 26. They can’t hold power through 28.
Ah yes "take the oil" cause the US has ... secret capacity to store billions upon billions of barrels of oil somehow? I never understood "take the oil" unless you plan to take over the country completely and forever?
Take oil (fields and refineries). Stealing foreign resources, infrastructure and buildings, adding to his personal wealth. Like any fascist before him, coz that is what it (fascism) is all about
You can't take an oil field. Hence "taking over the country". You can't just... Move the oil. It's not 500 pounds of uranium (which the US also can't do), after all.
You do not move the oil field. You take it over. Take over the operators, the infra, the buildings. Like the US did in venezuela, iraq etc is what he meant.
Ofc it would have not really worked in Iran, but..
He is, temporarily. Next will be Vance, and then someone else. America will look like an unfortunate chain of bad events. The people must become educated so they can make educated choices.
Obviously I wasn't talking about you. You are here, discussing it, you obviously don't fall in the Trump supporter category. You can't reprogram people by changing the media. 1 because you can't, 2 because you would be changing 1 drug for another. You want them to be able to think freely, not blindly following "the other opinion". This is done through education. Pressure the people you have to pressure, to get better, inclusive and more affordable education.
And STILL he is being allowed to get away with saying stuff like this. Utterly disgraceful to us, the rest of the world, for America to allow him to continue. Please, do something about him very very soon or all the USA will regret it.
Yeah... I mean.. The destroying of a whole civilization he just talked about suggests he might nuke iran tonight. If he does. The US wont have any goodwill left.
I mean, you're saying this like 1/3 to 1/2 of Americans are not programmed to hate multiculturalism.
To those folks, this is like their favorite Uncle throwing a block party; sure they don't like a lot of it, and wish the cops would stop the fighting, but they're not gonna end the party, just get more drunk and focus on the few things they like about it.
At this point we need to be threatened. We have lost all trust on the global stage and I don’t think I’ll see its return in my lifetime. Granted I plan to be dead by 40 so we don’t have that much longer anyway
No no dude, it's appropriate to be threatening. That's what peers are supposed to do, this is unacceptable behaviors on all political sides in this country.
Doing my part to avoid anything American when possible. Haven’t bought American origin groceries in a year. I’ll buy stuff made in China over stuff made in USA even.
Regret is not enough. US citizens will be despised around the world for not actively stopping this madman burning down the world. You are a pariah state like Russia.
I never voted for him, I repeatedly protest against him, and I write my representatives frequently to insist they act against. Few hate him more than I do so what exactly would you have me do?
He lost the popular vote in 2016 by about 3 million votes. We did not vote for him. The Electoral College forced a loser on us. Those members of the EC do not get as much hate and criticism as they deserve. They forced Bush and Trump on the world.
"You guys"...so nice being lumped in with the crazies. I personally very much did not vote for him. Ever. I warned everyone I possibly could before every election. I phone banked for better candidates. But I'm still lumped in with the nuts. Fantastic.
I get the fact that you as an individual didn't vote for him. I'd sit down and have a coffee with you or buy you a beer on account of it, if that matters. But if the democratic process is representative and fair, then the American voting public chose Trump, so I don't find it wrong at least from the language point of view to say that Americans voted for Trump, or you guys voted for Trump.
Well that's because you are. We're all lumped in with "the crazies" in our own countrie, even the entire world.. Every time you vote or not vote, you're choosing to partake in society whether you like it or not. Look how much global prices change just because one strait is closed off. That's how much impact one person has. Remember 9/11? That's how we got tighter security in airports across the world! It's not just you that live in this world, we all have to deal with it.
Nope. Harris lost it, and she lost it because she preferred to court """moderate""" republicans who were never going to vote for her than appealing to the left wing.
Prove it. Without proof you sound just as as dishonest AND stupid as him... an election you don't like now was 'stolen'. Bullshit. He won what counts as fair and square in the U.S.A (meaning not particularly fair, but it's how they do things, their rules, their life, their country, their responsibility).
I mean musk and trump both admitted they didn't need votes. There are lawsuits about the anomaly of every swing state being captured and when Rosie O'Donnell mentioned it he threatened to take her citizenship. Lying about 2020 let them screw with 2024. Everyone I knew who was a die hard trumper voted for Kamala last time, was odd and no one I know will back him anymore.
A THIRD of us voted for him. A THIRD voted against, and another THIRD couldn't be bothered to do either, for whatever reason. I'm not saying the US doesn't need to do something, but stop making us out to ALL be in cahoots with this piece of shit.
How many failed to turn out in 2022? Less than 93 million votes. How many failed to turn out in 2018? Less than 91 million votes. It's not just about the presidential election, it's about all the other elections where the senate could have been shifted and he could have been impeached. It wasn't one election that killed the US, it's multiple. And the citizens of the US, all of them, own that failure.
It’s first and foremost your responsibility to fix it. Noone cares that you voted whatever. If you can’t even be bothered to try, then you shouldn’t be allowed to influence anything in life
Aside from voting and protesting (which many of us are doing), what would you prefer we do? Armed rebellion? I'm not arguing that it isn't our responsibility, but get fucked with your armchair analysis.
No. Absofuckinglutely not. I’m a 50 year old American and we all collectively own this now. Our refusal to collectively own our collective shit, with individuals running around saying “well, I’m not responsible….” when, in fact, you are partly responsible, even if it’s 1/330 millionth, is exactly how you get Trump in the first place. This is who we are now, for a couple generations at least, and everyone else is right to think that way.
If voting isn’t enough, and protest really, really doesn’t matter, if I’ll be homeless and destitute if I participate in a strike, if I don’t have the money, time, or health for meaningful participation in much of anything, and if I live in a gerrymandered red state, red county, even specifically a MAGA neighborhood— wtf do you want me to do, go Luigi mode?
I’m not even 30 yet. I’d be lucky to make it to your age, because of a world manufactured by your parents. How is this my fucking fault?
I'm an European. I'm really glad to see your answer. It gives me hope. Also, I don't want to get on a high horse, 'cause I know we have our fair share of problems here, but if y'all ever want the world to look at you right, or be able to look at yourselves in the mirror, the only thing to do is put Trump and as many of his croneys on trial. Real, by the book, credible trials. No Nixon pardons, no kangaroo courts, no witch hunts. It's a fine line between letting it slide and authoritarianism
Yeah. I know. The problem is that Trump is going to pardon everyone in his admin and thats a constitutional power. I understand where you’re coming from but real rights and real democracy come from real laws and real institutions. When you make exceptions (ironically since we’re talking about pardons), you are talking about fiat rule, which is authoritarian under a different name. I don’t have an answer to that specific item. Just making an observation
Then you have to accept the same amount of blame for literally every issue in the world. You using AI? Then those datacenters are 1/300 millionth your fault. You use Amazon? Suffering caused by Bezos is your fault. Driving a car? Climate change is your fault.
Crazy to have a Boomer telling the rest of the country who's fault this is. We don't all accept equal responsibility. Old people voted in Trump. Younger generations do NOT have the same amount of blame as you do.
Not that any car is really gonna do a whole lot in comparison with the private jet of Name A Random Billionaire, but I don't think I've ever seen someone just...not acknowledge that their personal actions are able to contribute to a generalized issue..?
I've been on this site for legitimately less than five minutes and already I'm just gonna close it and go back to sleep.
Also, even if we're not responsible, we still gotta fix the thing. Alternative option is waiting for the Nazis to feel bad
Gen X. But thank you. I don’t think you understood what I said. I said we own a part of it. I didn’t say we all owned the same percentage. Not sure how you got to that, but you do you I guess
More 18-29 people voted for trump in 2024, than did in 2020 or 2016 (39, 35, and 28 respectively). Less voted for Harris in 2024 than Biden in 2020 (58 versus 61). Those aged 30-49 (that's predominantly millennials, btw), voted evenly. Men aged 18-49 voted evenly between the two. Taken all together, the only group that heavily favoured Harris - women aged 18-29. That's it. The statistics behind the voting paint a painful picture.
zHurk777
trump blaming the American People for his failure. The fvcking pedo-in-chief doesn't take responisbility for anything.
HandFireWeapon
I believe this is exactly what America wants and voted for, mainly because it is.
FetaForMoses
I can’t even
F4ndango
It’s wild how he talks about government as a money making venture. It’s the only way he can understand things. He has no concept of public good or service.
arocktrucker777
Wide out in the open and nothing happening
MikeRInternetTraveler
“I’d take it because it’s there for the taking”.
Spoke like a true rapist.
Rangar
I . .
I . . .
I . . . .
Everything he said wasn't about making American's lives better. It's all about him.
StopTheWorldIWannaGetOff
I envy him. Like imagine being able to do and say anything and people are just like "Oh, you little scamp!" What Leprechaun did he fuck over or Genie did he get dirt on?
Myoron
Pfft, Bush at least TRIED to hide the reason for the Iraq war, this guy's not even doing that. Doesn't take a genius to figure out why we hate the war.
kurvarVillain
FiftyShadesOfArugula
'*I* would make plenty of money'. Not the oil industry or the larger US economy aka the Dow, nevermind the American people. He only cares about how much he can make for himself. I bet that's how netanyadolf convinced him (aside from extorting him with the epstein files).
thismyburnerbutyoucangetdigits
I mean, Venezuela happened. Same thing. I’d love to see how much Donny personally got in that deal. My favorite part of that story is they offered Maduro’s head of security $10M to turn him over and he did and then they stiffed him. So on brand. We can’t tell THAT story lol
TheWombatStrikesAgain
He's saying America should be murdering people to steal their national wealth.
So if you ever wonder why people hate you enough to strap a bomb to their chest and kill themselves, just for a chance to also kill a few Americans: this is why.
stiklikegiant
You will never fill your cup, for your cup has no bottom.
bexxMaker
erik70h0
Sorry, but heard that one before. Over and over again.
SecurityBadger
He's just a crook. He's upset because when he was 7 years old, the Iranians created a democracy and told the foreign oil companies to take a hike. Four years later, the CIA installs the Shah, and the oil companies are back in. Then 40 years later, another revolution, the Ayatollah is in and the oil companies are kicked out again. He's mad because the Iranians won't let him take THEIR oil. This has nothing to do with nukes. That deal was already settled.
DynamoJoeHoHo
The USA voted this deranged old man in. Unfortunately, the Congress and the SCOTUS did not do their jobs and allowed him free rein. The system failed when those in power capitulated to this menace. It is said it is hard to put the genie back into the bottle, I hope that adage is not true. We will find out after the mid-terms. Until then, buckle up America.
Recaffeinated
Kinda wild to see the President of The United States say the American people don't want this but fuck em. Unreal times.
hotrodny
The world needs a global police force that can take care of situations like this.
USA ("The mightiest nation in the wuuuurrld") clearly can't.
Isn't it ironic - they have spent billions and billions on millitary, but the one thing that broke the nation's back was a smelly, stupid, evil hobo.
B166ERMaximus
HuRr DuRr Amerika Furst, Trump Furster!
thechelonianshelmet
"I want other peoples valuables, because I'm a thief, but you lot whine about your kids, if I could I'd let your kids die, I just want the wealth, it's all I've ever cared about, getting more money," Pedogent DJT [Translated into English from Trumpian].
Lugh314159
WHO would make money off it Donnie? We know the answer, but we'd like to hear you say it.
ImJustHereAtThisPoint
"I like him cause he speaks his mind! I too don't want what everyone wants"
seckzie
I like that about him and Israel. This way we KNOW. Look at the EU leaders, they are just as evil, and helps Usrael, but pretend not to be.
seckzie
Also Biden and Obama were also the same evil zionist scum, but pretended not to be. I prefer Trump saying it straight out. So we KNOW.
Welliguessillgogetpants
Another day of people posting Trump doing whatever the fuck he wants.
Another day of people doing fuck all about Trump.
jasperthebear
DrKonrad
Trump once boasted that he cheated on the IRS and that it made him "smart". So it is not surprising to see him claim that it is "smart" to attack other countries and take their resources, because the USA are so much greater and more free than other countries. Laws don't mater to him, only his personal gain.
UnattendedDeviant
Basically he's saying the American people would be bothered by thousands of troops dying in a full blown war in Iran. Then many more dying during years of asymmetrical attacks from militias and armed groups while trying to maintain control of population that wants them out.
But he wouldn't be.
xj4low
Don't forget the attacks that would happen here on our soil. Talking about shootings and bombings.
totalclips
Hmm
Gestalt7
*will be, not would be. I do not think that there are any adults in the room that will stop him.
AlexanderElcazorro
Maybe an unpopular opinion, and absolutely not applying to people who already joined prior to this. But if you're signing up to join the army now, to be sent over for oil and no other reason, I don't think you deserve any of the praise and accolades of a "hero". You're just agreeing to be a paid thug/murderer for an oil company. Which sure, maybe you need the money. It's a job. But I doubt it pays well, and at least you're not killing people flipping burgers... unless you doing it very poorly.
AlexanderElcazorro
Also no, I'm not implying that getting a job is easy, or that you just need to go flip some burgers. I'm saying that if you're taking the job because it's the only one available, and you need the money to live, you're not absolved of shooting innocent people or dropping bombs on schools. I would agree if you can't survive being unemployed, and the only job the wealthy are willing to pay you to do is a cheap crowd control and murder service, than that situation is a royally effed one. But, c'mon.
FellaWithUmbrella
”I would make a lot of money.”
There’s Trump’s ”America First” for you.
rossimus
I love how much he humiliates his faithful
guitarfourtysix
TheDiscoVampire
He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself.
kittyfajitas
He thinks the US is a subsidiary of Trump, Inc. and he has the right to take whatever he wants as his personal profit.
hasslehofen1337
Exact thing I wanted to respond about. "I" will
FuzzyX
We should not overlook that Trump plans to spend 50% more on the military to support his invasion plans.
klausvonlichtenstein
I actually do think he plans to be locked in a bunker while declaring a state of emergency and calling off the vote by forcing people to stay home and making mail in ballots illegal.
It takes a LOT of money to pay enough enforcers on the outside. Money he knows Congress can’t get him in a shutdown.
We are in the middle of a series of dry runs … they’re rushing them out because they didn’t expect to need it for 26. They can’t hold power through 28.
Keep resisting it’s working!!!
19marcurious57
Meaning: Trump first.
NotInLimboAnymore
And probably still go bankrupt.
Whitebeardthepirate
fucking duh...
pyroshen
Holy shit I can't believe he just said that out load. Not even hiding
BananaForScaIe
Ah yes "take the oil" cause the US has ... secret capacity to store billions upon billions of barrels of oil somehow? I never understood "take the oil" unless you plan to take over the country completely and forever?
usernameusedinlessplatforms2
Take oil (fields and refineries). Stealing foreign resources, infrastructure and buildings, adding to his personal wealth. Like any fascist before him, coz that is what it (fascism) is all about
BananaForScaIe
You can't take an oil field. Hence "taking over the country". You can't just... Move the oil. It's not 500 pounds of uranium (which the US also can't do), after all.
usernameusedinlessplatforms2
You do not move the oil field. You take it over. Take over the operators, the infra, the buildings.
Like the US did in venezuela, iraq etc is what he meant.
Ofc it would have not really worked in Iran, but..
Alexap30
Trump is a symptom. Your problem is elsewhere.
FailureFactory
Symptoms are what kills people. It's valid to treat them so your patient lives to be cured. It's not one or the other.
DukePhelan
Conservatives. The issues anywhere you care to look in the world can always be traced back to some conservative asshole somewhere pulling the strings.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Pretty sure he's also a pretty big problem.
Alexap30
He is, temporarily. Next will be Vance, and then someone else. America will look like an unfortunate chain of bad events. The people must become educated so they can make educated choices.
CycloneSP
the solution is the media. we need to buy out all the major media outlets and have them stop spewing hateful right wing talking points
CycloneSP
and we need to correct social media algorithms to stop prioritizing the same
Alexap30
Stop watching them. We live in the age of the internet. Information is everywhere. Watching fox news is a choice, not a predicament.
CycloneSP
I don't watch them. the problem is, the ppl that do, won't. so you need to reprogram them.
Alexap30
Obviously I wasn't talking about you. You are here, discussing it, you obviously don't fall in the Trump supporter category.
You can't reprogram people by changing the media. 1 because you can't, 2 because you would be changing 1 drug for another. You want them to be able to think freely, not blindly following "the other opinion". This is done through education.
Pressure the people you have to pressure, to get better, inclusive and more affordable education.
PerthAussieMike
And STILL he is being allowed to get away with saying stuff like this. Utterly disgraceful to us, the rest of the world, for America to allow him to continue. Please, do something about him very very soon or all the USA will regret it.
shorey66
The USA should already be regretting it. All the relationships are shot and the international community will not trust them for decades
JT1984
WE ALREADY REGRET IT!
Semphir
Yeah... I mean.. The destroying of a whole civilization he just talked about suggests he might nuke iran tonight. If he does. The US wont have any goodwill left.
erinaceus
wr already regret it
MouseDenton
Those not yet outraged deserve to regret it.
WholeWheatBunnyHugger
We already do.
Zeterai
https://imgur.com/WFp958s.mp4
Fanner50
What’s your plan to stop allowing it?
Go ahead, let me get my beer.
Ebo352
I mean, you're saying this like 1/3 to 1/2 of Americans are not programmed to hate multiculturalism.
To those folks, this is like their favorite Uncle throwing a block party; sure they don't like a lot of it, and wish the cops would stop the fighting, but they're not gonna end the party, just get more drunk and focus on the few things they like about it.
darthnerdus6236
Are we still pretending this isn't who America is? How many coups and 'not wars' does it take?
HandoB4Javert
YouRadicalizedMe
PerthAussieMike
... and just to be clear, I'm not threatening anything, just saying that the rest of the world will shun everything USA.
3andAHalfLivesAgo
At this point we need to be threatened. We have lost all trust on the global stage and I don’t think I’ll see its return in my lifetime. Granted I plan to be dead by 40 so we don’t have that much longer anyway
TyrannusEquus
No no dude, it's appropriate to be threatening. That's what peers are supposed to do, this is unacceptable behaviors on all political sides in this country.
senslesssensei
It looks as if the rest of the world are working on this…do you reckon he’d care though?
ananfro
Doing my part to avoid anything American when possible. Haven’t bought American origin groceries in a year. I’ll buy stuff made in China over stuff made in USA even.
PerthAussieMike
I hope it pisses him off enough to have a stroke from ultra high blood pressure.
cabalin
We already regret it.
HFlashman
Regret is not enough. US citizens will be despised around the world for not actively stopping this madman burning down the world. You are a pariah state like Russia.
cabalin
I never voted for him, I repeatedly protest against him, and I write my representatives frequently to insist they act against. Few hate him more than I do so what exactly would you have me do?
HFlashman
cabalin
Just the sort of non-response I expected f
Elsuave
You guys voted him. Twice!! Maybe you guys have to do something...
TheAnswerIsViolence
He lost the popular vote in 2016 by about 3 million votes. We did not vote for him. The Electoral College forced a loser on us. Those members of the EC do not get as much hate and criticism as they deserve. They forced Bush and Trump on the world.
LateNightBunnyParty
"You guys"...so nice being lumped in with the crazies. I personally very much did not vote for him. Ever. I warned everyone I possibly could before every election. I phone banked for better candidates. But I'm still lumped in with the nuts. Fantastic.
Fentex
No one cares.
LateNightBunnyParty
I dunno. I think the comment votes paint a different picture.
charlespavlov
I get the fact that you as an individual didn't vote for him. I'd sit down and have a coffee with you or buy you a beer on account of it, if that matters. But if the democratic process is representative and fair, then the American voting public chose Trump, so I don't find it wrong at least from the language point of view to say that Americans voted for Trump, or you guys voted for Trump.
rusrsdude
Well that's because you are. We're all lumped in with "the crazies" in our own countrie, even the entire world.. Every time you vote or not vote, you're choosing to partake in society whether you like it or not. Look how much global prices change just because one strait is closed off. That's how much impact one person has. Remember 9/11? That's how we got tighter security in airports across the world! It's not just you that live in this world, we all have to deal with it.
MadamPuddifoot
He stole the 24 election
VinnieJonesDiary
Nope. Harris lost it, and she lost it because she preferred to court """moderate""" republicans who were never going to vote for her than appealing to the left wing.
NOINITIATIVE
It really didn't seem possible for him to win leading up to the election, very much a sense of "fuckery" afoot
MadamPuddifoot
Well plus he went on national TV and admitted it was rigged. So did musk.
Fentex
Prove it. Without proof you sound just as as dishonest AND stupid as him... an election you don't like now was 'stolen'. Bullshit. He won what counts as fair and square in the U.S.A (meaning not particularly fair, but it's how they do things, their rules, their life, their country, their responsibility).
Toqom
I mean musk and trump both admitted they didn't need votes. There are lawsuits about the anomaly of every swing state being captured and when Rosie O'Donnell mentioned it he threatened to take her citizenship. Lying about 2020 let them screw with 2024. Everyone I knew who was a die hard trumper voted for Kamala last time, was odd and no one I know will back him anymore.
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
A THIRD of us voted for him. A THIRD voted against, and another THIRD couldn't be bothered to do either, for whatever reason. I'm not saying the US doesn't need to do something, but stop making us out to ALL be in cahoots with this piece of shit.
Evi1Gav
How many failed to turn out in 2022? Less than 93 million votes. How many failed to turn out in 2018? Less than 91 million votes. It's not just about the presidential election, it's about all the other elections where the senate could have been shifted and he could have been impeached. It wasn't one election that killed the US, it's multiple. And the citizens of the US, all of them, own that failure.
mlpedant
The citizens who voted R, and the citizens who could have voted but didn't, own it.
Tell me where blame lies with the citizens who voted D.
Tell me what else they could have done.
ekstraost
It’s first and foremost your responsibility to fix it. Noone cares that you voted whatever. If you can’t even be bothered to try, then you shouldn’t be allowed to influence anything in life
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Aside from voting and protesting (which many of us are doing), what would you prefer we do? Armed rebellion? I'm not arguing that it isn't our responsibility, but get fucked with your armchair analysis.
Fentex
Yes, kill the fucker. Yanks like to claim it's why they have weapons, so they can actively discipline government excesses. So do it.
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
No. Absofuckinglutely not. I’m a 50 year old American and we all collectively own this now. Our refusal to collectively own our collective shit, with individuals running around saying “well, I’m not responsible….” when, in fact, you are partly responsible, even if it’s 1/330 millionth, is exactly how you get Trump in the first place. This is who we are now, for a couple generations at least, and everyone else is right to think that way.
Elsuave
Well, here you go.
Someone understands.
This is you now guys, this is what your country has become.
And nobody will do anything really...
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
Bingo. That’s the whole thing. Yelling “I didn’t vote for this!!! I voted for Harris!!!!” Is farting into the wind.
Samaroo24
If voting isn’t enough, and protest really, really doesn’t matter, if I’ll be homeless and destitute if I participate in a strike, if I don’t have the money, time, or health for meaningful participation in much of anything, and if I live in a gerrymandered red state, red county, even specifically a MAGA neighborhood— wtf do you want me to do, go Luigi mode?
I’m not even 30 yet. I’d be lucky to make it to your age, because of a world manufactured by your parents. How is this my fucking fault?
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
I didn’t say it’s your fault. It’s a question of responsibility. Not the same.
charlespavlov
I'm an European. I'm really glad to see your answer. It gives me hope.
Also, I don't want to get on a high horse, 'cause I know we have our fair share of problems here, but if y'all ever want the world to look at you right, or be able to look at yourselves in the mirror, the only thing to do is put Trump and as many of his croneys on trial. Real, by the book, credible trials. No Nixon pardons, no kangaroo courts, no witch hunts. It's a fine line between letting it slide and authoritarianism
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
Yeah. I know. The problem is that Trump is going to pardon everyone in his admin and thats a constitutional power. I understand where you’re coming from but real rights and real democracy come from real laws and real institutions. When you make exceptions (ironically since we’re talking about pardons), you are talking about fiat rule, which is authoritarian under a different name. I don’t have an answer to that specific item. Just making an observation
TheAnswerIsViolence
Then you have to accept the same amount of blame for literally every issue in the world. You using AI? Then those datacenters are 1/300 millionth your fault. You use Amazon? Suffering caused by Bezos is your fault. Driving a car? Climate change is your fault.
Crazy to have a Boomer telling the rest of the country who's fault this is. We don't all accept equal responsibility. Old people voted in Trump. Younger generations do NOT have the same amount of blame as you do.
MirroredImage
Not that any car is really gonna do a whole lot in comparison with the private jet of Name A Random Billionaire, but I don't think I've ever seen someone just...not acknowledge that their personal actions are able to contribute to a generalized issue..?
I've been on this site for legitimately less than five minutes and already I'm just gonna close it and go back to sleep.
Also, even if we're not responsible, we still gotta fix the thing. Alternative option is waiting for the Nazis to feel bad
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
Gen X. But thank you. I don’t think you understood what I said. I said we own a part of it. I didn’t say we all owned the same percentage. Not sure how you got to that, but you do you I guess
Evi1Gav
More 18-29 people voted for trump in 2024, than did in 2020 or 2016 (39, 35, and 28 respectively). Less voted for Harris in 2024 than Biden in 2020 (58 versus 61). Those aged 30-49 (that's predominantly millennials, btw), voted evenly. Men aged 18-49 voted evenly between the two. Taken all together, the only group that heavily favoured Harris - women aged 18-29. That's it. The statistics behind the voting paint a painful picture.