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*edit* This is not me. He is a online personality.
dirtyfreakingdan
Bro its just a game.
Sesquey
Yeah but, vibrating controllers change all that.
Emotoloid
Sounds like guerrilla marketing for the game.
CrusherOfCities
Once again, The Onion was ahead of its time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5tRNs2X5Q4
Counterfit
Can we make John Bolton read this? Or would he just start masturbating?
KevinRPD
"Show bad replies?" fuck, why not?
alex1540
It’s a fucking video game...
ThatOneGuyWhoLikesCorgis
That guy is a true badass, clearly been through shit I know I mentally could never.
TotallySaneScientist
I don't agree with trying to remove the ethical tragedies, but I don't think it should be a selling point. was 'No Russian' advertised?
dangerousDoc
Nope, Was the nuke scene? Nope. Those moments were thrown in to show the horrors of war
faultysage
Why is this dude upset with Infinity Ward? I'd be pissed with whoever the fuck is sending us to war.
HelpHelp
Can’t it be both?
faultysage
I wouldn't be ranting at IW. They're trying to do a little bit of what Spec Ops did. If they can make war terrible, good for them.
fozzibab
Sounds horrible. MAYBE DON'T JOIN THE FUCKING MILITARY, I DON'T KNOW.
Alfadorfox
Yeah good fucking luck trying to sway kids over to your point of view over the lies of smooth talking recruiters. Good luck with that.
OPRulez
So the issue is that a lot of times you're a scared 17 year old who has no idea what you're getting yourself into.
ThreeDimesDown
Dad was a Vietnam vet & discouraged me from enlisting & he told me he hoped I never had to see what he did. That's all he said 1/
ThreeDimesDown
and I was too young to get it. I didn't enlist, but now that I'm older I get it.
kraeftig
Look, I don't care mate. If I want to be evil in a video game, let me. Stop railroading me into feel good happy fun time land. It's not like
kraeftig
I'm gonna go out and be evil in real life. So what if I want to quick save and murder all of whiterun? Anyone who would do this shit irl ->
kraeftig
Is gonna do it video game or not. It's not like they're gonna go oh jolly gee if I just animation cancel my reload irl I can outgun the cops
desertbeagles
Not to disrespect the bad-assery of this gentleman and those like him -- but seems like some misdirected anger/sadness.
dangerousDoc
Its the usual shit from wannabes that would like the game to be censored because it shows people a sliver of war. Ironically nearly every >
dangerousDoc
Point he is making is a repeat of journalists who don't like that a scenario in the game has suicide bombers
CitrusStrongman
What if the baby was an evil baby? Every think of that, liberals?
TacocatForwardsIsTacocat
or a drug dealer baby
MarcoPolaris
Liberals are the ONLY ones concerned about evil babies!
flyingmonkeystick
Anyone who has played Skyrim knows not to judge someone killing children. And Nazeem. Fuck Nazeem.
TheManInTheWall
Go to the cloud district very often?
gorillaClutch
that is a very fine point, but look at games like spec ops: the line where they did a pretty good job of depicting some horrors or war and/
gorillaClutch
the toll it takes on the soldiers. sure modern warfare aint that. and i find myself wondering how shooting babies even came up at all/
gorillaClutch
but I categorically reject the idea that art cannot accurately capture some aspects of the human experience or that video games should just/
gorillaClutch
"not try" to depict hard or emotionally difficult subject matter just because they are video games. stories matter.
djml9
Well with the reboot of MW, thats what theyre aiming for. We havent even scene this scenario, yet. Only heard of it. It may very well 1/2
djml9
be as impactful as Spec Ops was in context. 2/2
gorillaClutch
i mean, if that's true then sure, but based on MW track record i'll just say I believe it when i see it.
KettlecornCowbo
PTSD is just spicy nostalgia
eadanke
I will not change your mind
Squanto229
Lol as a vet I needed this, put a smile on my face
Evenlymade
God damn
IPoopOnCompanyTime
As someone with PTSD, I got a chuckle
TheBeardlyOne
Lol same, you got to
IPoopOnCompanyTime
How can you laugh at someone else, if you can't laugh at yourself. Way i look at it
TheBeardlyOne
Good way to be.
kiddub
“Press F to Pay Respect”
PocketVist
Well this is one heartbreaking twitter rant, but useless. We can never really "depict" what, how, why something is what it is. Still we can
PocketVist
Come close on not censuring how awful war is by sound and visuals. The feelings, the smells, the touch etc. That is subjective on the person
PocketVist
Still by doing the most of you can to show atrocious acts, and make the player have a play in that then they "depict" on how war is.
Svartlebee
"heartbreaking" is subjective. America hero worships soldiers in a way other 1st world nations don't.
JovialPastry6
That's because there's no real important wars going on right now. WW2 veterans are lauded as heroes, and for good reason.
Galeanthropist
They are fighting for 'freedom'. And all the wealth it brings.
shlebby
I hope video games never get "realistic." In 2012 I worked at a GameStop & a family of 4 came in; the kids being around 8 & 10 yrs old. ...
shlebby
The dad asked me about war games, so I recommended the usual popular ones. He said he had all of those and wanted something more ...
shlebby
realistic. Something REALLY realistic. The mom naively chimed in that he wanted to train his kids to fight against "those Muslims." ...
shlebby
The dad quickly told her not to talk about it in public & I can't emphasize how genuine the situation was. This wasn't in a rural area ...
shlebby
This was in a densely-packed city that was generally very liberal. I was so uncomfortable and so glad I didn't sell them anything.
tzahtman
It doesn't seem like his opinion on the game but on how it was being marketed. The game could be enjoyable but don't call it realistic.
flyingmonkeystick
To be fair, marketing is always hyperbole. Besides, explaining the reality of war isn’t too hard in a video game. You could literally (1)
flyingmonkeystick
Just have a character say what this guy said. It’s a game so you’re not going to sit through the boring part of ptsd and other problems.
NightDany
You can't explain it, you'd need to feel it to understand. They said they want us to experience guilt after fucking up a situation ①
NightDany
Like shooting a baby why? Whats the point? Its a game. We won't feel guilty and its fucking stupid they expect us to. Just dont adress it. ②
flyingmonkeystick
By the way, how did you get that circle with the number written in it?
SchrodingerMil
It’s not a documentary. The game still needs to be approved by the esrb. For fuck sake No Russian was banned in half of Europe wasn’t it?
FromDenmarkWithHate
Of course not. We are not pussies like you. It was only banned in Russia and Australia.
SchrodingerMil
Probably Germany. I’m from America.
Acefowl
After the game came out, the name of the stage was changed after public outrage.
PorneliusHubertII
against. Was still called "No Russian" they just tagged on the ability to skip the mission.
HoraceHorseCollar
That was one of my favorite parts though
kelpo122
What is No Russian??
KarlKingOfDucks
Level in MW2. Terrorist group attacks airport, can’t speak Russian/give away they are Russian (level name) - you can shoot at civilians.
BeerFueledAdventurer
in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 there is a stage where you are undercover in a Russian terrorist cell, mowing down people in an airport 1/
BeerFueledAdventurer
as part of a 'false flag' operation, & you're ordered to speak "no Russian." The game lets you go along w/the terrorists w/o shooting anyone
FnNuke
Godspeed wherever you are. I would carry some of your burden if I could. I hope it’s enough that you know that we still worry for you.
onikame
It's not so bad, you get used to all the crying and the crushing, empty feeling inside.
FnNuke
But you shouldn’t have to. At least not by yourself.
Fairdinkums
Mate op isn't this guy, you'll forget this post in like 5 posts time. A couple of cats and this story ceases to exist.
FnNuke
I know this isn’t @op. As a veteran, I won’t forget. I didn’t experience the same things, but my heart still bleeds for him.
PearjuiceATX
Not to some of us.
flyingmonkeystick
These are things that everyone knows by now. You may not know exactly how it feels, but you know about it nonetheless. It’a nothing new.
Someshithead241
It's just a game. Striving for realism, doesn't mean you HAVE to include every single detail of reality. That's impossible. It's just to add
Kittynomnoms
No, you should have to go to the bathroom every few hours too. Who doesn't want to sit there in the game taking a shit for 10-20 minutes?
Someshithead241
Authenticity, to add extra to the game. Bullet drop is realistic, having it is realism yet we can't have smell or taste etc. Realism in game
PardusXY
Authenticity is the point, realism isn't.
Someshithead241
The difference?
Someshithead241
Is not an all or nothing. I'm sorry for what you went through. But it's just a game
IAkuTheShapeShiftingMasterofDarkness
Go back and read the parts where he was commenting on what they said about the game and the devs wanting you to feel bad. The rest is extra
Someshithead241
Oh no, a game trying to be more than black and white, to innovate and have you feel bad for npcs. Terrible.
kuraken
Heavy stuff. Though I can't help to feel like what's being lost on all of us here is that Modern Warfare is... you know... a game.
AStupidWeeb
Videogames will never be able to fully depict the horrors of war, but neither will movies or TV, either.
Barrum
1/I'm not sure what the point is here. I get what he went through was horrid, I get that the game will never come close to that. So should
NightDany
It's not that the guy wants fps to never be made again, is that they make decisions like shooting a baby or not too "gamey"
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EquinoxActual
Considering what he went through though, isn't it a good thing if game developers try to convey that to a broader audience in an [...]
EquinoxActual
interactive format? What with the voters (theoretically) holding the ultimate authority on whether to go to war and on what terms.
dangerousDoc
Yes. But then who could they censor. These are the same people who complained about saving private Ryan
Barrum
2/we never make an fps again? Are FPS only ok as long as there are no civvies? I mean, every point this guy makes could as easily just be a
wellthisjustgotinteresting
Don't try for ultimate realism in a damn war game.
U1849KA
It's simple. Stop trying for realism when the realities of war are beyond imagining. There's more to gaming than realism, anyway.
XandarianNovaPrime
I think this is the point to take away from this, instead of glorifying and trying to show atrocities (and getting them mixed up to ppl) 1/
XandarianNovaPrime
2/ it’s the reason why games like Doom or Overwatch are good games not because they try to be the “most realistic” but because they are fun
Viper3232
We have been capturing stories for years. Johnny Got His Gun isnt terribly realistic, but it was horrible enough to influence people.
Barrum
3/reaction to scrap the genre entirely. An fps is a game, it's meant to be entertaining, and sometimes drama is entertaining. Movies and
Barrum
4/shows can show brutal massacres of innocents in order to add a sense of tension, or make you hate a certain villian. We praise the way
Barrum
5/John Wick or Taken used horrible things to make you disgusted with and hate the villain. It's a story telling device. So why are we
Barrum
6/suddenly up in arms when something similar is being used in a video game? If you don't like the content, if it resonates poorly with you,
TheHellbilly
War. War never changes.
bolshevik09
https://giphy.com/gifs/metal-gear-solid-mgs-mgs5-ipygq7eHndsJ2
Hooooooo
weaponizedbunnies
blitzskrieg
Wa. Wa never changes. - Wario
StatutoryCrepes
Wa Wa never changes- “people from Boston”
Jawesome19
Wawa hoegieeesss
The8obman
Wicked awesome comment
BlueLanternBraxx
So... What he's saying is we wait for CoD VR? And the new PTSD expansion?
LaughingSeraphim
Moron. You're normalizing a fairy tale version of terrible things.
PandaLord200
No, he just wants to play a good game
DudeNDudey
Maybe the point is we don’t make these stupid war games.
Grizy
Why not?
DudeNDudey
They indoctrinate young people into thinking war is cool. They make it easier for the military to recruit. There is research on this.
BigTex1
Just wait until the “green weenie” full body VR experience comes out.
iHveNoCleverName
Along with a buggy VA simulation
CommentGuru
Sad reacts only
CMDRKrikos
Not a bug. A feature.
BillogUncle
Along with "Backfiring Car & Uncontrollable Sobbing" expansion pack
Elcarsh
No, different backfiring cars are DLC. "Uncontrollable Sobbing" comes with preorder of "Ultimate Edition"
Grant0
Not buggy, I’m afraid that’s just how the VA works
omenrose
Working as intended.
ElectricStormCat
He's saying if you want to live the harsh realities if war, then enlist, actually do something that matters and deal with a lifetime of pain
BlueLanternBraxx
Killing people for rich tycoons isn't doing something that matters. You were conned.
NotWelcomehere
I don't think that's what he's saying at all...
ElectricStormCat
Hard to summarize in 140 chars. Basically, focus on a fun game, not pretending to bring the horrors of war home. You don't want those.
ElectricStormCat
I'm also a combat vet and this hit home. I also have a fever at the moment, so am not entirely cohererenreant. My appolo..I giv eup.
maninthedarkness
The experiences of soldiers and civilians in war should not be trivialized and pandered for extra bucks.
ElectricStormCat
This! Thank you.
foxfire1112
This guy needs therapy, honestly. I'm a vet with ptsd and I can tell you thinking about that shit every day will ruin you
LaredoVox
Did my time, still doing my time in therapy. Some things never go away there are days when I can still smell Bosnia
Squanto229
Yeah prior infantry here whose been through shit, this dude definitely needs to seek help cause what he’s doing isn’t the way
fluhatinrapper
Sounds like he's in therapy.
kodiak931155
More therapy
ImgurAddict1
All the therapy.
RogueBroomstick
I have PTSD for other reasons and agree. Sometimes it helps to rant.
eraphim
You know as well as I do the VA isn't about to prioritize something for immediate treatment no matter how messed up the service left them.
foxfire1112
I never mentioned the VA my man
TheTimesTheyAreAChangin
I can't get into the VA where I moved to. I need to transfer my records, but they don't answer the phone or return my calls. I'm fucked too
foxfire1112
Hope it works out for you soon. Just don't quit trying
BungusAmungus
How do you not think about that shit though? Hardest thing Ive ever dealt with was my brother dying 9 years ago, still think about him. 1/2
BungusAmungus
Most days. I didn't even see anything while in Kuwait but I still think about it frequently, just a shitty times in life that pop in.
BungusAmungus
also good times
foxfire1112
Honestly, I don't know. I think about some terrible days over and over but I do have days where it's the last thing on my mind now (took me
foxfire1112
A long time to get to here).
DungeonMaster77
Yeah, he writes like he is seeing a good VA therapist. I know as I do too. And the problem is that sometimes "thinking about that shit" 1/2
DungeonMaster77
2/2 can't be stopped. Too many nights waking up from nightmares of 107 mm rockets and mortars exploding around you, esp near 4 July...
foxfire1112
I get it man for sure. I feel like I went through alot of terrible things that fill my mind during my worst times but I value the days that
foxfire1112
I don't get lost in those thoughts and regrets. I've been talking to people and it helps keep me on the right path
DungeonMaster77
Oh, sure, it helps. And having a support system is important to keep from spiraling. But this guy's not talking just out of his own 1/2
StitchardRamireztheKnitStalker
The game he's describing doesn't sound very fun tho
monkeyshines
What if I want to get PTSD from video games? I'm an untapped market!
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eadanke
"Sweet, the legendary 'New Born Baby Blanket Soaked in Tears' finally dropped! And another 'Newlywed's Wedding Band' to vendor of course."
neil137
if your character isn't killed or crippled (hard mode) you get a chance to earn a certificate of college at the end
reddrummer93
You sound like a California patch.
MicentennialBan
So don't play with serious words with empty intent... For a video game and call it depth
PandaLord200
Just what I was thinking
TheMenwithoutname
Games dont have to be fun. Just entertaining. Games are a visual medium and can do alot to teach a message such as psychological effect of 1
TheMenwithoutname
Combat and harsh conditions not the actual things that go on for soldiers. I remember Spec Ops did and it was effective. Sorta
teacherwoody
He's just describing DOOM
SaucyDisses
100% if you take away the fun out of a game, it becomes a chore.
MadoraM
I am having a very bad day, but this - I will be chuckling at this comment for hours. Thank you
TheJonatron
Unless it's Spec Ops the Line, that game was fun (except when it wasn't).
iwanttomountndewya
That would be spec ops: the line
MyBestFriendisaBobblehead26
Fuck that was such a god damn awesome game. Need to go back and replay it
HitlersArtCritic
IIRC you're the war criminal now for continuing to play.
ShadowBurn
Correctly recalled.
TheAlviss
Bruh..
MerToo
This War Of Mine was depressing enough.
Calistrasza
I was scouring the comments wondering if someone would mention it. And that game isn't even played from the soldier's perspective.
MerToo
I quit World of Battleships because every time some aim-botting n00ber 1-shotted me from over the horizon I'd be "oh God my 114 crewmen..."
isaypoopythingabecausemostofyouannoyme
I mean, it sounds like I can shoot babies tho
confanity
I think that's the point.
caustickiwii
Sure, but only an extremely delusional manchild would claim that playing any videogame--even one marketed as "realistic"--would give you a
tankmayvin
ARMA 3 and the like do the fun, intricate/technical aspects of realism. Injecting realistic horror is tough to do without cheapening it.
Reaper3087
No one's claiming it will be the same. All they're trying to do, is make people realize how fucked up it can be. Most people are clueless.
caustickiwii
similar experience to the real thing. The real thing isn't fun, videogames are. Sometimes part of that fun is trying to more closely emulate
caustickiwii
the realities of the situation, but everyone knows that actually experiencing the things that your videogame character experiences would
caustickiwii
absolutely suck, for almost every game out there. So point is, this guy is giving a vivid depiction of the awful bullshit veterans deal
flyingmonkeystick
Right? Ask anyone who who has played Skyrim and they’ll tell you how fun it is to kill children.
roscuro
I question the morality of you people. I never tried as much as they annoyed me. I also never joined the dark brotherhood. Never saw a point
JimJonesKoolAidSurvivor
Just pretend they are midgets trying to kill you. Easier that way
Acefowl
I thought the children in Skyrim were unkillable.
MantisTobagganMD
Mods
CMDRKrikos
Mods
Fahargo
In the immortal words, "There's a mod for that"
Mobileuserwholikestoberandom
I don’t even play the game and I’m sure there’s a mod for that. Sims 4 has mods that allow you to kill other sims while playing as a toddler
Mobileuserwholikestoberandom
Nothing surprises me anymore.
CommentProvider
Normally I'm against it but damn some of those kids are just dicks
cow042
Until you mod it
HieronymousFlex
There was a mod for that within, like, days of the PC release.
SolicitedDickPics
Days? Drop that "s", son. Day 1 solutions to day 1 problems.
NoIWillNotTellYouMyUsername
Mods my dude
Darkspire
Oh yeah. I used frenzy on that shitty kid in Dragonsreach and never looked back.
SecondTomorrow
There IS a mod on PC that let's you kill children.
Acefowl
Ah, ok. I only ever played the Xbox 360 version.
istealthepixelsfromreposts
There is a mod for xbox that lets you fuck a random other xbox players mom.
skydivingbigfoot
Two minutes in Dragonsreach had me trying, won't lie.
drenix
Into Whiterun*. That lil bitch you weren't even aware she wxist givin that "what are you looking at?"
BrontTheGoodBoy
"Another wanderer here to lick my father's boots. Good job." *Quicksaving...*
Solusphere
To be fair, Balgruf's kids are total dicks because they're being influenced by an evil Daedra lord, but they cut the relevant quest.
drenix
I'm ok with that lil shit after I get the Ebony Blade, he chill.
IAmDrBanner
Over a 1000 characters to say that a CoD game doesn't actually represent what it means to be a soldier in an actual warzone.
futonrevolutionary
Who would have thunk?
palmo
I think you're missing his point. The "reality of war" isn't something that should be glamorized by a game.
IAmDrBanner
It is a "realistic" game. As realistic as a game can be, that is. It is a genre that some people enjoy, and some people don't. It is /1
IAmDrBanner
supposed to be a gritty, edgy game and those are a dime a dozen. Who is to say what SHOULD and SHOULDN'T be done? It is not my cup of tea /2
IAmDrBanner
either, but if people want to make or play those kinds of game, how is that my business? It is a fictional game, about a fictional war. /3
JayTheStranger
Why? They do it in books, movies, and TV. Why is a video game a step to far? I think I can comfortably say that most if not all people can
palmo
Movies that deal with horrors of war and PTSD don't invite you to actively participate in the cause of the PTSD or present it as fun. (1
palmo
Violent games and shooters definitely have their place and can be fun, but if the goal is to illustrate the psychological damage then you (2
JayTheStranger
Distinguish the difference between a video game and real life war. Just because you play and are entertained by one does not mean you arent
JayTheStranger
Emotionless to actual war, soldiers, PTSD, and the like.