Jan 26, 2022 8:27 PM
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BenBateman
Wonderful speech, unfortunately those he is referring to can't understand those big words
Zorklunn
I wonder if that student's parents voted in the last school board election?
wozat
It may be a logical fallacy, but slippery slopes do happen. The reason it's a fallacy is because you never know when it will.
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
Context: https://www.newsweek.com/students-slam-school-board-over-book-review-order-say-its-hurting-honor-students-1672973
TheWhiteRat
Those who DO learn from history are doomed to watch OTHERS repeat it.
DVSBSTrD
@OP "History will judge you!" "Cool, so we get to do whatever we want until we die, then its your problem?" "...yes."
GreatOdinsTaint
History is written by the victors. They're eroding democracy piece by piece for that exact reason.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
How much longer will it take for the public to internalize that appealing to these people's morality won't work - and what will happen then?
CommentBot2000
I love that logic and statement
VerboseDood61
Since the internet connected the world, religious affiliation and attendance are steadily trending down worldwide.
MicrosoftWizard7
One of the biggest opponents of fascism is education. It's why the stupids are the first to fall for it's "promises".
DianNaoChong
They remember the bad people well and are trying to remove information of worse they dream to be. It's a feature not hypocrisy
3smagic
beoluves
Oh, they're getting expelled.
ThailandExpress
ztygs
Many of them already are.
Auxilium
Even Mein Kampf was not completely banned in Germany
PeeterGrant
"No Dad, I said Minecraft! Where did you even get this?!"
PoopyProblem5
Then she was taken to a back alley and shot like a dog
techhqs
They did nazi that statement from happening....
SpaceMarineWithAnUrgeToPurge
walnutbreath
They know what they're doing. They know the historical analogues. They're doing it for the same reasons. If they had a shred of humanity,
they wouldn't be trying to bring about the 4th Reich.
quicksilver1
4th Reich Fighting Men, that's what we are, we're living in the sewer but we're gonna go far, you see our numbers growing, we're shouting
hurrah, 4th Reich Fighting Men, that's what we are!
AttackoftheRobotMonkeys
Is.. is the student a product of the schools education system because that kid is educated AF
CosplayComet
Hey Siri, give me the number to the closest burn unit...
ItsLiveNotLive
Isnt it 411?
JackHL01
No Siri, don't let them suffer the fate they wish upon books and knowledge. /see Bloodhound Gang - Burn Motherfucker
datbiishjuliebean
FrankPoncharellodoesKaraTe
Considering the voting demographics in that area, I’m guessing that kid has probably been trying to graduate early so he can gtfo of there
DrZoidberg42
She
Old person here, no offense meant whatever the individuals sex or pronouns were -
nietus
Technically still a logical fallacy, right? "Because all these bad guys did it, it must be bad"
Just to be clear, I think book banning is definitely a bad thing and makes you a bad guy :-)
DreamingOfDistantShores
Technically I think they're just making an observation, rather than an argument. If they followed up with the (clearly implied) "and
therefore you are bad people for pursuing it" then it would be a fallacy, or at least rest on an assumption - 'banning information is bad'.
Fortunately, the majority of society is in general agreement with that assumption. Unfortunately, the people doing it don't care.
Barrum
I love the point but he IS technically resorting to a logical fallacy to make a point, just a different fallacy
Sighered
I suppose, yeah. Deductively fallacious, inductively sound.
NotWelcomehere
Also a lot of times emotional argumentation is more effective really...people aren't cold logical robots...they NEED to be swayed.
Vikingtransgirl
That is why you mix all three persuasive techniques into your argument in varying dosages depending on audience and subject
waddyaknowjoe
They don't care about how they're remembered. They are being used to ensure generations of citizens who lack critical thinking skills.
kroetoj
A LOT of countries banned mein kampf. Sorry not sorry.
DaierMune
Sociopaths are incapable of experiencing emotions like "Guilt" or "Shame"
BettingItAllOnGreen
If this shit works they’ll dictate how they’re allowed to be remembered.
rossimus
Theyre not thinking that far ahead or in such a nefarious manner; they just want to win the next election at all costs.
gunshowzero
90% is short-term benefit, the other 10% is some crazy sinister, turbo-fascist long term shit
MyFirstTwoChoicesWereTaken
They only care about the here and now. Hoarding power and wealth for themselves and no one else, they don't care about the future.
HypnoCT
History is written by the victors
AppleJoosh
They do say a lot lately “history will judge…” like, I think they know that their followers aren’t exactly astute historians.
heartlessninja6
Like the kids born in the world of Mad Max letting themselves be used as pawns.
Cataleast
Don't need to worry about one's legacy when the goal is apparently to get everyone killed ASAP.
GRMM
And thus, history can’t be remembered
smashpro1
And thus, will be doomed to repeat.
TheBunnyPants
Just ask minitrue
GeekLeakNews
Also they don't care about education in general. Why do you think red state shitholes have the most butchered school budgets?
SarcasticComment
Yup. I can tell how conservative my neighbors are by their number of outdoor house lights. It is an ideology that teaches fear above reason.
And interestingly enough more have gone up in the last 6 years as if there was some sort of culture war. Curious.
But at least they aren't the blue light people who need to shout their support of "police lives matter" in the dark.
nukesontheway
Yeah they have really leaned into villain identity narratives and loving it
HasteTheFool
Ummmm, I think it's unthink.
GravyEducation
High school kids are smarter than we give them credit for. They're mad book smart even if they're not street smart
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
High school teacher here. The opposite seems more true to me.
Eiladar
Presently, yes. Generational prejudices aside, they have access to more information faster and more easily than any of our old folks ever
could have imagined outside of science fiction (or even in science fiction). And, they've had since the day they were born. They never knew
a world without it.
AtWestEnd
Banning books isn't the start of a slippery slope, if anything it would be at the bottom of the slope. It took a lot to reach this point
deadpandas
Banning books isn't just about withholding knowledge today, it's about manipulating the future, and that's a fucking mountain.
SteveTheEgg
You realize that the US is fully capable of horrors far worst than banning books, this is just the early sparks of a potential bonfire.
Well, no, after banning the books comes burning the books. Then burning the authors. It's a very long slope.
ButteredNoodleDriver
So what you're saying is... Reading and writing is the devil!
Navrodel
It's got a couple of flat bits, so confusion is understandable, but there's still a surprising distance left to rock bottom.
ReaperCDN
The best part is, thanks to our many differences there's never a bottom!
IusallypoopwhileImonhere
Nazi furries was a pretty low point down that slope
Are they all just blonde German shepherds?
Chereazi
But it's the good cause THIS time, just like trickle down will work THIS time and how conservative policies will work THIS time...
loneCartoonVillain
Except it's the woke left banning the likes of Mark Twain for using the acceptable words of his time.
Bristlecone42
Have I ever told you the definition …of insanity?
PsistormIkura
The bad thing is it will work, just for the people making the laws, not the ones living under them, as intended.
feryooday
They’re supposed to be REPRESENTATIVES. taking care of their constituents. load of shit they’re so self-centered. fuck that.
Targe0
And Communism will work this time & the free unregulated market will solve it this time. Look guys it's not worked every other time give up.
IveGotRedOnMe
Shut up Vlad. Go suck on a potato
You seem to have miss read my post completely. It's saying Communism doesn't work.
irvingb01
"Oddly, Libertarianism and Communism share exactly the same irreparable flaw: nice idea, wrong species."
Yes both really get fucked over by Greed and lust for power and control.
Which is why we need a REGULATED market economy AND social stability - which comes from a population that isn't STRUGGLING to just SURVIVE.
Yep I am all for living in a welfare state. Sure do free market on luxury goods. But a basic home, food, water and ability to communicate ->
Neuronyx
When Putin's cock leaves your mouth and he ignores your 'thank you', I wonder if then you'll realize what an uneducated bitch you are.
And you're implying NOT buying into capitalist bullshit means the only alternative is communism, sorry I assumed with an opinion that stupid
you must've been a Trump sycophant and that pretty much automatically means Putin's dick is in your mouth. I could be wrong though.
BenBateman
Wonderful speech, unfortunately those he is referring to can't understand those big words
Zorklunn
I wonder if that student's parents voted in the last school board election?
wozat
It may be a logical fallacy, but slippery slopes do happen. The reason it's a fallacy is because you never know when it will.
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
Context: https://www.newsweek.com/students-slam-school-board-over-book-review-order-say-its-hurting-honor-students-1672973
TheWhiteRat
Those who DO learn from history are doomed to watch OTHERS repeat it.
DVSBSTrD
@OP "History will judge you!" "Cool, so we get to do whatever we want until we die, then its your problem?" "...yes."
GreatOdinsTaint
History is written by the victors. They're eroding democracy piece by piece for that exact reason.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
How much longer will it take for the public to internalize that appealing to these people's morality won't work - and what will happen then?
CommentBot2000
I love that logic and statement
VerboseDood61
Since the internet connected the world, religious affiliation and attendance are steadily trending down worldwide.
MicrosoftWizard7
One of the biggest opponents of fascism is education. It's why the stupids are the first to fall for it's "promises".
DianNaoChong
They remember the bad people well and are trying to remove information of worse they dream to be. It's a feature not hypocrisy
3smagic
beoluves
Oh, they're getting expelled.
ThailandExpress
ztygs
Many of them already are.
Auxilium
Even Mein Kampf was not completely banned in Germany
PeeterGrant
"No Dad, I said Minecraft! Where did you even get this?!"
PoopyProblem5
Then she was taken to a back alley and shot like a dog
techhqs
They did nazi that statement from happening....
SpaceMarineWithAnUrgeToPurge
walnutbreath
They know what they're doing. They know the historical analogues. They're doing it for the same reasons. If they had a shred of humanity,
walnutbreath
they wouldn't be trying to bring about the 4th Reich.
quicksilver1
4th Reich Fighting Men, that's what we are, we're living in the sewer but we're gonna go far, you see our numbers growing, we're shouting
quicksilver1
hurrah, 4th Reich Fighting Men, that's what we are!
AttackoftheRobotMonkeys
Is.. is the student a product of the schools education system because that kid is educated AF
CosplayComet
Hey Siri, give me the number to the closest burn unit...
ItsLiveNotLive
Isnt it 411?
JackHL01
No Siri, don't let them suffer the fate they wish upon books and knowledge. /see Bloodhound Gang - Burn Motherfucker
datbiishjuliebean
FrankPoncharellodoesKaraTe
Considering the voting demographics in that area, I’m guessing that kid has probably been trying to graduate early so he can gtfo of there
DrZoidberg42
She
FrankPoncharellodoesKaraTe
Old person here, no offense meant whatever the individuals sex or pronouns were -
nietus
Technically still a logical fallacy, right? "Because all these bad guys did it, it must be bad"
nietus
Just to be clear, I think book banning is definitely a bad thing and makes you a bad guy :-)
DreamingOfDistantShores
Technically I think they're just making an observation, rather than an argument. If they followed up with the (clearly implied) "and
DreamingOfDistantShores
therefore you are bad people for pursuing it" then it would be a fallacy, or at least rest on an assumption - 'banning information is bad'.
DreamingOfDistantShores
Fortunately, the majority of society is in general agreement with that assumption. Unfortunately, the people doing it don't care.
Barrum
I love the point but he IS technically resorting to a logical fallacy to make a point, just a different fallacy
Sighered
I suppose, yeah. Deductively fallacious, inductively sound.
NotWelcomehere
Also a lot of times emotional argumentation is more effective really...people aren't cold logical robots...they NEED to be swayed.
Vikingtransgirl
That is why you mix all three persuasive techniques into your argument in varying dosages depending on audience and subject
waddyaknowjoe
They don't care about how they're remembered. They are being used to ensure generations of citizens who lack critical thinking skills.
kroetoj
A LOT of countries banned mein kampf. Sorry not sorry.
DaierMune
Sociopaths are incapable of experiencing emotions like "Guilt" or "Shame"
BettingItAllOnGreen
If this shit works they’ll dictate how they’re allowed to be remembered.
rossimus
Theyre not thinking that far ahead or in such a nefarious manner; they just want to win the next election at all costs.
gunshowzero
90% is short-term benefit, the other 10% is some crazy sinister, turbo-fascist long term shit
MyFirstTwoChoicesWereTaken
They only care about the here and now. Hoarding power and wealth for themselves and no one else, they don't care about the future.
HypnoCT
History is written by the victors
AppleJoosh
They do say a lot lately “history will judge…” like, I think they know that their followers aren’t exactly astute historians.
heartlessninja6
Like the kids born in the world of Mad Max letting themselves be used as pawns.
Cataleast
Don't need to worry about one's legacy when the goal is apparently to get everyone killed ASAP.
GRMM
And thus, history can’t be remembered
smashpro1
And thus, will be doomed to repeat.
TheBunnyPants
Just ask minitrue
GeekLeakNews
Also they don't care about education in general. Why do you think red state shitholes have the most butchered school budgets?
SarcasticComment
Yup. I can tell how conservative my neighbors are by their number of outdoor house lights. It is an ideology that teaches fear above reason.
SarcasticComment
And interestingly enough more have gone up in the last 6 years as if there was some sort of culture war. Curious.
SarcasticComment
But at least they aren't the blue light people who need to shout their support of "police lives matter" in the dark.
nukesontheway
Yeah they have really leaned into villain identity narratives and loving it
HasteTheFool
Ummmm, I think it's unthink.
GravyEducation
High school kids are smarter than we give them credit for. They're mad book smart even if they're not street smart
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
High school teacher here. The opposite seems more true to me.
Eiladar
Presently, yes. Generational prejudices aside, they have access to more information faster and more easily than any of our old folks ever
Eiladar
could have imagined outside of science fiction (or even in science fiction). And, they've had since the day they were born. They never knew
Eiladar
a world without it.
AtWestEnd
Banning books isn't the start of a slippery slope, if anything it would be at the bottom of the slope. It took a lot to reach this point
deadpandas
Banning books isn't just about withholding knowledge today, it's about manipulating the future, and that's a fucking mountain.
SteveTheEgg
You realize that the US is fully capable of horrors far worst than banning books, this is just the early sparks of a potential bonfire.
DreamingOfDistantShores
Well, no, after banning the books comes burning the books. Then burning the authors. It's a very long slope.
ButteredNoodleDriver
So what you're saying is... Reading and writing is the devil!
Navrodel
It's got a couple of flat bits, so confusion is understandable, but there's still a surprising distance left to rock bottom.
ReaperCDN
The best part is, thanks to our many differences there's never a bottom!
IusallypoopwhileImonhere
Nazi furries was a pretty low point down that slope
ButteredNoodleDriver
Are they all just blonde German shepherds?
Chereazi
But it's the good cause THIS time, just like trickle down will work THIS time and how conservative policies will work THIS time...
loneCartoonVillain
Except it's the woke left banning the likes of Mark Twain for using the acceptable words of his time.
Bristlecone42
Have I ever told you the definition …of insanity?
PsistormIkura
The bad thing is it will work, just for the people making the laws, not the ones living under them, as intended.
feryooday
They’re supposed to be REPRESENTATIVES. taking care of their constituents. load of shit they’re so self-centered. fuck that.
Targe0
And Communism will work this time & the free unregulated market will solve it this time. Look guys it's not worked every other time give up.
IveGotRedOnMe
Shut up Vlad. Go suck on a potato
Targe0
You seem to have miss read my post completely. It's saying Communism doesn't work.
irvingb01
"Oddly, Libertarianism and Communism share exactly the same irreparable flaw: nice idea, wrong species."
Targe0
Yes both really get fucked over by Greed and lust for power and control.
NotWelcomehere
Which is why we need a REGULATED market economy AND social stability - which comes from a population that isn't STRUGGLING to just SURVIVE.
Targe0
Yep I am all for living in a welfare state. Sure do free market on luxury goods. But a basic home, food, water and ability to communicate ->
Neuronyx
When Putin's cock leaves your mouth and he ignores your 'thank you', I wonder if then you'll realize what an uneducated bitch you are.
Targe0
You seem to have miss read my post completely. It's saying Communism doesn't work.
Neuronyx
And you're implying NOT buying into capitalist bullshit means the only alternative is communism, sorry I assumed with an opinion that stupid
Neuronyx
you must've been a Trump sycophant and that pretty much automatically means Putin's dick is in your mouth. I could be wrong though.