Jun 21, 2019 5:12 PM
SisterMidnight
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ThePirateCatsRock
It's even worse than that... We dont get a dog.
ItsAlwaysTheLastPlaceYouLook
Love the optimisim...
tthbth
FAKE NEWS! This is not a Reliant Robin! If Top Gear taught me anything than that it has to be a Reliant Robin!
natachan
Not even delivered yet
Youhavinagiraffe
When the "Nationalists" have all their money invested offshore.
Beardedgeek72
Brexit. Like electing Trump, but dumber.
dankenmutt
Eh, like the upvotes to downvotes, they're both pretty even in terms of the detriment to their own countries respectively.
The "Brexit Delivered" picture should be blank because the UK is still a member of the EU. We had EU parliament elections last month!
eratosthenesearth
Incorrect. This should be a drawing of the car since there's still no Brexit. Parliament is against every type of Brexit.
KingdomOfDimensions
Brexit isn't inherently nationalist. Painting the side you don't like with a nasty color is a slimy tactic.
ieatpiecesofshiplikeyouforbreakfast
Well I am a dog person anyways
elhopaness
KirschPunkt
I really hope Scotland goes through with their independence voting this time. I planned to go there for my semester abroad...
NonExistingWisper
Slight issue there: Brexit hasn't been delivered.
SilentScreamsX
Thankfully.
damancy
id rather have the second one. cuz cute doggo
AzgarOgly
Isn't that italian breed car with belgian breed dog on it?
Bartacomus
it NEVER works for the nation. Once youve stolen from all the "UN"nationalists.. its Over.
JeffGriffin
United states of Europe
KanyeWesticularCancer
Rip Northern Ireland. Let’s see if we get a repeat of the PM saying they don’t negotiate with terrorists while the IRA kill hundreds.
BrianBoyko
Nah, they'll just hold a referendum and fuck off like Scotland.
unsureaboutexpirationdate
Much overlooked issue.
GoldenSour2
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Depends on whether they only kill irish people or if they start blowing up London again. About the latter the PM might actually care.
ChloeRed
If it's bojo, I doubt might will come into it unless they blow up his house.
Fenwaywookie
Or the loyalists could just move to London and let ireland be ireland again
Dude ffs, get over that ridiculous closed minded bull mccabe nonsense, its the 21st century, we've got more imoortant problems to deal with.
JohnMagneTrane
Do a clean break. Like when Norway left Europe. v
dietderpsy
I wonder how the UK managed before the EU?
It wasn't much.
hornpile
The world of international trade and relations has changed. It is irrelevant how the UK did before the EU, because the EU is a factor now
whether the UK is a part of it or not.
grklein
Not very well.
Nrpain
i have read so much on this and its such a cluster fuck. Basically comes down to we played by your rules and won, now you want to change 1/
them cause you lost.
Kyletrain22
Can't wait for Britain to become the 51st state
8gigsofshark
Make more sense for them to become a province of Canada
IamIanMoone
Not as daft as it sounds. Cultural more in common and no different to you moving your parents into a granny annex.
It was tongue in cheek my dude. Just messing around.
aMiu
You spelled never wrong
SurfHill
Vietnamese have done well, but it took 40 years.
those guys got beat in 1975
Not the Nationalists, only the Patriots.
Rwhejek
Nationalism is fine if it is coupled with a firm resolve to work together with other countries to the benefit of all nations involved
YouGotBird
Yes. For good current examples look at Norway and Switzerland.
Maybe in theory. But in reality nationalism has atendency to turn things into a zero-sum game. For you to win, others have to lose.
Brexit will cost UK initially. But in the end they will be better off without the EU-federalists.
CantankerousCantaloupe
Without foreign investments and trade deals with all their major trading partners? And without Scotland or Northern Ireland?
Which trade deals will they be without? America is a big one and already promised a good deal. You think you can't trade without EU?
The 27 EU-countries plus the 36 trade deals EU has. UK is far too weak alone to get any kind of fair deal out of US.
derkatwork2178
Nationalism is merely liking your nation. There will always be groups that ruin every subset of people. Example: PETA, Seahawks fans.
No it ain't. That's called patriotism. Brexit is not pro-British, it's anti-foreign.
fanmac001
That's patriotism what you're describing, nationalism is thinking your nation is superior to others
Nationaliam is thinking your country is better than others and the interest in the detriment if others...
I think the US is awesome (not perfect) and I would put its interests first. Is it wrong to want to put your own nation’s interests first?
No its not, the line has to be drawn at some point e.g. lamborghinis for all the people in your country vs charitable aid to a country
Devastated by famine and dusease has a pretty easy moral answer and all these questions have to be asked for each decision...
Interests are OK, but the 20th C is strewn with idiots claiming only to being for their own country. Like every war in history. Brexit too.
Clockworkdancerobot
acidandfreaky
Rick changed the value of post brexit british pound from 1 to 0 rendering the country in a state of anarchy
mormacil
Subtitles or audio would help.
procrasturbation
He's changing the value of a dollar from one to zero.
Sm9yCg
So how does the Brexit negotiations in UK Parliament go?
Every realistic option is voted down and crazy unicorn options are still treated seriously. Literally no progress in 3 years.
They hate the deal. They hate no deal. They won't cancel Brexit. The EU will not negotiate a different deal. Schrödinger's Brexit.
They will exit on october 31st. Them not wanting a no-deal doesn't overrule the timer on article 50.
LlamaEaters
As of this moment, are EU immigration and trade rules still effective while they sort out the deal?
As far as I know, yes. Until the November deadline when no-deal full brexit kicks in unless they agree on something by then.
Shit. That would be the worst case, wouldn't it? I hope they decide to cancel Brexit, or somehow give them a soft deal.
It would, it means the UK loses all trade regulation with the EU. Forced border checks on all imports including food.
LurkerOfDarkness
In theory the UK could stay in this state of leavibg the EU but not actually doing it forever.
tiikki
The EU has to accept that too. The Article 50 (exiting EU) had 2 year limit on the length of the process and it can only be extended by all
memberstates approving the extension. It was approved only until Oct 31st. If UK parliament still sits on its thumb there is no gurantee on
Of course but none of them actually want the UK to leave, so they'll go quite far to extend the deadline until they run out of excuses.
EU agreening on continuation of this charade. Then it is no deal brexit and EU has all the cards on the EU - UK trade negotiations.
BobLeuMoche
The car is Italian ?
That's kind of the point
ProphetofEntropy
so a brexit organized by itallians? they certainly couldnt do worse...
And the dog is belgian.
Pulsar1975
Yes but Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Maserati, Pagani are also Italian.. so fuck you and that Fiat runs 100km with 1 liter!
NameNotFoundException
How much gas does the tow truck use though?
Bugatti was a French company before VW bought it.
Founded by the Italian Ettore Bugatti
In France.
By an Italian..
Bestavailableusername
And 3 of Them owned by wv
2 of them, but born and produced in Italy by Italians.. Germans are too cold to create passion...
Bugatti was French, and is designed in Germany by VW; Lamborghini is also mainly designed in Germany.
Are you saying that Lamborghini became famous thanks to Germans? Come on please be serious..
ButIWanttobeanonymous
Also, Bugatti is a traditionally French make.
Haters gonna hate..
Founded by Italian Ettore Bugatti
raitchison
If Boris prorogues parliament to force a no-deal things will get real interesting.
RipOffTheBandAid
Spitting Image was meant to be ironic not reality
malikcarr
I say let the "no deal" people have it. It'll either work out fine or be a trainwreck and they'll get fucked in the next election.
If I've learned anything about the hard Brexit crowd, nothing is EVER their fault.
SqueakyBumTime
But it'll be a trainwreck for the public, the tories will be sweet with their money already out of the country.
One fairly likely outcome is Scotland and Northern Ireland (and maybe even Wales) leaving the Union. That helps the Tories.
UsuallySpecial
“We threw out the baby with the bathwater and the economy is now fucked for a generation”. Yay.
MadnerKami
Maybe 52% of the Brits will finally learn a lesson and their massive error can be a lesson for the World at large.
I would foresee significant disruption, but at the same time I don't think it'll somehow be as damaging as "literally fighting WWII" either.
EpilatorAlligatorBothReduceGrowth
That’s the kind of thinking that gets right wingers, Farage or Trump elected. IMO bad idea.
I'd discourage anyone from adopting a parochial "don't vote for these people because change is scary" attitude, it generally only goes in->
the other direction you want it to. Worked for Obama in 2008 and worked for Trump in 2016.
He doesn't have to force anything. They voted against a no-deal Brexit, but they also voted against every single possible deal. All he (1)
has to do is let the clock run out and and let article 50 take effect. (2)
CrazyGuyOnABike
I think (hope) after the drubbing Labour got for their wishy-washy position in the EU elections, they will take a stand and demand that a
referendum clause be attached to whatever deal or lack thereof is decided upon.
xminacakex
It runs out on Halloween of all days. 3spoopy5me
Gorgrim
Unless parliament decides backing out is better than No Deal, and revoke Article 50.
We can always hope.
Rediix
Despite my own beliefs on the subject. Backing out would be a betrayal of the public
Fractoman
The EU expecting the UK to pay billions to leave is just hilarious to me.
Peekari
That's not really the consequences of either a deal or no-deal Brexit
Isn't the main cost to relocate the EU medicine agency? They should pay the cost if they're the ones leaving ?
Main cost is pensions for UK staff, commitments to projects we agreed on in the past, etc. The EU medicine agency move isn't even part of it
It's hillarious that they force them to fulfill commitments they made long before Brexit, including pensions of british EU officials?
Sumdumguy42
UK expecting to have favorable deals when showing that they don’t hold up their end of the bargain (i.e. EU bills ) is just hilarious to me.
It's not a bill. It's longterm financial commitments completely unrelated to Brexit.
Bills. Plural. In the sense of bills such as a utility bill or electricity bill, not a law.
Ah. Thanks.
banwetmarkets
The UK has a massive trade deficit with the EU, a trade war will be far more damaging for the EU, simple maths
elemcsere
What they get instead is all the companies moving to remain within the EU. And it is mostly done, no matter what type of deal they manage.
The trade deficit is 95billion in goods with a surplus of 41billion in services. Guess who will be hurting with London no longer being the
European center for financial transactions? All major banks need to move to Europe to keep access to the EU market.
And why is the deficit? Because UK doesn’t produce shit and has to import everything. Apart from that, there is a difference between
Thanks for proving my point and agreeing with me there is a massive deficit that will damage the EU more than the UK if there is a trade war
A trade war and not having a trade agreement.
No one ever expected it to be easy but we seem to be making it harder than necessary.
Leavers and parliament have an impossible set of demands. It's not that it wouldn't be easy- it's that the EU will never agree to the things
the leavers said they wanted.
Remainer politicians attempting to drag it out to reverse the vote.
Because the whole premise was unrealistic. It's like cancelling your gym membership but thinking you'll still be allowed to use the (1)
equipment. And hoping the gym owner is okay with that because one time you bought a smoothie and also you used to be a global empire! (2)
More like the gym owner wants to make changes you don’t like but when you try to cancel he tries to bill you for three more years dues...
Because he was counting on your money to pay for it all.
The money is what you have already agreed to pay years ago on projects benefiting also UK.
UK will be able to participate to those projects as long as they are operational. One example would be scientific research.
Agreed
No, the bill is for the retirement cake for the janitor which you agreed to contribute to years ago.
So without the UK they can’t afford a cake?
Changes and compromises are part of development.The premise of that UK was hard done by is tabloid victimisation delivered by BJ et al.
So you agree that the EU should be prepared to change and compromise on the withdrawal agreement or only the UK?
spattr
EU guy said today, their deal is their deal & won't be changing. It was always that deal or no deal. That won't change with a new PM.
The EU have been super consistent and rational the whole way through. Tories have been consistently unrealistic because they're in too deep.
liebermandean11
THE EU IS A DICTATORSHIP
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
Although I am already convinced of the premise by your use off all caps, who is the dictator?
Jean Claude
You mean the president whom all 28 heads of states and EU Parliament agreed upon? Who could be kicked out by the Parliament? That dictator?
He is not elected by the People and his Jean Claude his own Words he will make the EU like China
darthlawsuit
No deal Brexit is best Brexit. Force the EU to renegotiate deals.
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SuperOKNumberTwo
I'm pretty sure no deal would be far superior to being a vassal state with no say.
Imosa
I think he's talking about a Theresa May's plan from earlier in the year. I was shut down twice with the phrase "vassal state" being used.
vielleicht
you can't force the eu because britain has more to lose
Renegotiate with a post-Brexit UK that is desperate to make new trade deals and will be in an even worse negotiating position? Brilliant!
EviMogwai
Thing is, EU is already negotiating the best deals the UK could hope for. No deal means UK gets the same status as Korea. Not bad, but worse
attofreak
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019-brexit-referendum-anniversary/?srnd=premium-europe
pierresito
Really it's 3 years of "not really gonna happen like that tho psh come on" and the alarmists going "yes it will!" and now it finally has.
narniasreal
Which was obvious from the start. EU can't let UK leave without it hurting them. Would send a terrible message.
Can't really blame them
Oddmonster
It is not about hurting them - It is about U.K wanting to have everything, and pay nothing. There is more to it, but that is the essence.
This is such BS, EU doesn't want to hurt UK, they just wont do a deal that would break up four freedoms or violate other agreements and laws
channelranger
I mean, the thing is being part of the EU is a massive benefit to the UK, so simply leaving *would* hurt them.
The EU can't make non-membership more beneficial than membership. For some reason London refuses to understand that.
I'd object to that.. London itself knows, Westminster is the bit of London that doesn't.
OnsonSweemy
You get that here "London" means the British government, right? Not the geographical location. Same as "Brussels" refering to EU government
SplendidoSplendente
"But it's Britain! They must comply!" -Brexiteers LOL
"We used to be an empire! That's gotta count for something, right? RIGHT?"
That and an Euro will get you a cup of coffee...
drame
Jesus sounds like abusive boyfriend level behavior.. Like i get it but that doesnt seem morally sound.
It's really not. It's more like Britain is the boyfriend who says "There are tons of women on the internet who want to fuck me, so I'm (1)
breaking up with you. But I still want to come over and bang you whenever I want.". And when she says no, HE feels wronged. (2)
BabyHuey206
Sounds like you don't actually get it at all.
kohrah
Prev commenter made it sound like it's out of spite or a warning bug I guess it's more like you just don't get the benefits if not member
I agree with that i was commenting on the wording more than the sentiment :)
Hardly. You leave a relationship - even amicably - and you don’t still get to save by sharing rent, a bed and meals with your ex, do you.
maninthedarkness
Would be like if California was allowed to leave the US. Washington would say, "Fine, but here's your bill." California would owe a bit.
TheRealAethrys
That this is considered an acceptable comparison is evidence in favor of Brexit. The EU is not a nation.
CaptSheffield
Got that right.
Desomega
The ultimate end goal should be to make it one, though. Same with all of earth. Glory to the Emperor.
You say this like the EU wouldn't ban criticism of chaos worshippers and deny Tyranid infestations are a threat.
The EU has spent two and a half years negotiating that deal, most of which the Brits wasted by continually asking "can we have all the (1)
benefits but none of the drawbacks?". I don't bame them for wanting no more of that. The Brexit promises were never realistic. (2)
JustDontCare
What benefits are being asked for?
Jairun
being part of the EU domestic market
Control trade & people at borders to UK, but also free trade & movement into EU. Lower standards on goods, but compete on same terms in EU
WilliamHuskerAdama
So they want others to keep borders open to them, but close their own?
ReadOnlyMemories
What originally agreed after the war which was a free trading bloc. No one voted to have laws made by the EU or to open our island borders.
wellifounditfunnysofuckyou
That's because Theresa May has reportedly time and time again been useless. It's time to get ride of her and see comes from the ashes
"From the asses" maybe. Because it looks like the next PM will be Boris Johnson and we already know he's completely full of shit.
Theresa May was tasked with building the equivalent of a submarine made of cheese. Of course she was going to fail, just like anyone else.
It looks like Boris "Piccanninies and watermelon smiles" Johnson comes from the ashes
Don't forget it's Boris "we don't need businesses" johnson...
Or Boris "One Affair too many" Johnson...
EmperorMahaco
Um, you do realize she announced her resignation last month, right? And will soon be replaced by someone else
trapdoorogre
When exactly? The end of May?
Almost, lol
That "someone" being likely Boris Johnson, the very Discount-Trump of the BrExit-campaign. Finally a BrExiter having to take responsibility.
The same Boris who dodged the position last time it opened.
Right, but the Conservative Party is taking it's sweet time officially choosing him, even though he wins every round of their voting process
If there's an established rule on how to choose the new leader, then procedures must be followed. Bypassing rules is bad, hmkay?
Boris? Responsibility? The multi-time adulterer? The guy who was fired for making up quotes from his grandfather?
the guy will just blame it on labor, or his predecessor.
ThePirateCatsRock
It's even worse than that... We dont get a dog.
ItsAlwaysTheLastPlaceYouLook
Love the optimisim...
tthbth
FAKE NEWS! This is not a Reliant Robin! If Top Gear taught me anything than that it has to be a Reliant Robin!
natachan
Not even delivered yet
Youhavinagiraffe
When the "Nationalists" have all their money invested offshore.
Beardedgeek72
Brexit. Like electing Trump, but dumber.
dankenmutt
Eh, like the upvotes to downvotes, they're both pretty even in terms of the detriment to their own countries respectively.
Youhavinagiraffe
The "Brexit Delivered" picture should be blank because the UK is still a member of the EU. We had EU parliament elections last month!
eratosthenesearth
Incorrect. This should be a drawing of the car since there's still no Brexit. Parliament is against every type of Brexit.
KingdomOfDimensions
Brexit isn't inherently nationalist. Painting the side you don't like with a nasty color is a slimy tactic.
ieatpiecesofshiplikeyouforbreakfast
Well I am a dog person anyways
elhopaness
KirschPunkt
I really hope Scotland goes through with their independence voting this time. I planned to go there for my semester abroad...
NonExistingWisper
Slight issue there: Brexit hasn't been delivered.
SilentScreamsX
Thankfully.
damancy
id rather have the second one. cuz cute doggo
AzgarOgly
Isn't that italian breed car with belgian breed dog on it?
Bartacomus
it NEVER works for the nation. Once youve stolen from all the "UN"nationalists.. its Over.
JeffGriffin
United states of Europe
KanyeWesticularCancer
Rip Northern Ireland. Let’s see if we get a repeat of the PM saying they don’t negotiate with terrorists while the IRA kill hundreds.
BrianBoyko
Nah, they'll just hold a referendum and fuck off like Scotland.
unsureaboutexpirationdate
Much overlooked issue.
GoldenSour2
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Depends on whether they only kill irish people or if they start blowing up London again. About the latter the PM might actually care.
ChloeRed
If it's bojo, I doubt might will come into it unless they blow up his house.
Fenwaywookie
Or the loyalists could just move to London and let ireland be ireland again
dankenmutt
Dude ffs, get over that ridiculous closed minded bull mccabe nonsense, its the 21st century, we've got more imoortant problems to deal with.
JohnMagneTrane
Do a clean break. Like when Norway left Europe.
v
dietderpsy
I wonder how the UK managed before the EU?
JohnMagneTrane
It wasn't much.
hornpile
The world of international trade and relations has changed. It is irrelevant how the UK did before the EU, because the EU is a factor now
hornpile
whether the UK is a part of it or not.
grklein
Not very well.
Nrpain
i have read so much on this and its such a cluster fuck. Basically comes down to we played by your rules and won, now you want to change 1/
Nrpain
them cause you lost.
Kyletrain22
Can't wait for Britain to become the 51st state
8gigsofshark
Make more sense for them to become a province of Canada
IamIanMoone
Not as daft as it sounds. Cultural more in common and no different to you moving your parents into a granny annex.
Kyletrain22
It was tongue in cheek my dude. Just messing around.
aMiu
You spelled never wrong
SurfHill
Vietnamese have done well, but it took 40 years.
aMiu
those guys got beat in 1975
SurfHill
Not the Nationalists, only the Patriots.
Rwhejek
Nationalism is fine if it is coupled with a firm resolve to work together with other countries to the benefit of all nations involved
YouGotBird
Yes. For good current examples look at Norway and Switzerland.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Maybe in theory. But in reality nationalism has atendency to turn things into a zero-sum game. For you to win, others have to lose.
YouGotBird
Brexit will cost UK initially. But in the end they will be better off without the EU-federalists.
CantankerousCantaloupe
Without foreign investments and trade deals with all their major trading partners? And without Scotland or Northern Ireland?
YouGotBird
Which trade deals will they be without? America is a big one and already promised a good deal. You think you can't trade without EU?
CantankerousCantaloupe
The 27 EU-countries plus the 36 trade deals EU has. UK is far too weak alone to get any kind of fair deal out of US.
derkatwork2178
Nationalism is merely liking your nation. There will always be groups that ruin every subset of people. Example: PETA, Seahawks fans.
eratosthenesearth
No it ain't. That's called patriotism. Brexit is not pro-British, it's anti-foreign.
fanmac001
That's patriotism what you're describing, nationalism is thinking your nation is superior to others
dankenmutt
Nationaliam is thinking your country is better than others and the interest in the detriment if others...
derkatwork2178
I think the US is awesome (not perfect) and I would put its interests first. Is it wrong to want to put your own nation’s interests first?
dankenmutt
No its not, the line has to be drawn at some point e.g. lamborghinis for all the people in your country vs charitable aid to a country
dankenmutt
Devastated by famine and dusease has a pretty easy moral answer and all these questions have to be asked for each decision...
eratosthenesearth
Interests are OK, but the 20th C is strewn with idiots claiming only to being for their own country. Like every war in history. Brexit too.
Clockworkdancerobot
acidandfreaky
Rick changed the value of post brexit british pound from 1 to 0 rendering the country in a state of anarchy
mormacil
Subtitles or audio would help.
procrasturbation
He's changing the value of a dollar from one to zero.
Sm9yCg
So how does the Brexit negotiations in UK Parliament go?
Youhavinagiraffe
Every realistic option is voted down and crazy unicorn options are still treated seriously. Literally no progress in 3 years.
GoldenSour2
They hate the deal. They hate no deal. They won't cancel Brexit. The EU will not negotiate a different deal. Schrödinger's Brexit.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
They will exit on october 31st. Them not wanting a no-deal doesn't overrule the timer on article 50.
LlamaEaters
As of this moment, are EU immigration and trade rules still effective while they sort out the deal?
GoldenSour2
As far as I know, yes. Until the November deadline when no-deal full brexit kicks in unless they agree on something by then.
LlamaEaters
Shit. That would be the worst case, wouldn't it? I hope they decide to cancel Brexit, or somehow give them a soft deal.
mormacil
It would, it means the UK loses all trade regulation with the EU. Forced border checks on all imports including food.
LurkerOfDarkness
In theory the UK could stay in this state of leavibg the EU but not actually doing it forever.
tiikki
The EU has to accept that too. The Article 50 (exiting EU) had 2 year limit on the length of the process and it can only be extended by all
tiikki
memberstates approving the extension. It was approved only until Oct 31st. If UK parliament still sits on its thumb there is no gurantee on
LurkerOfDarkness
Of course but none of them actually want the UK to leave, so they'll go quite far to extend the deadline until they run out of excuses.
tiikki
EU agreening on continuation of this charade. Then it is no deal brexit and EU has all the cards on the EU - UK trade negotiations.
BobLeuMoche
The car is Italian ?
aMiu
That's kind of the point
ProphetofEntropy
so a brexit organized by itallians? they certainly couldnt do worse...
AzgarOgly
And the dog is belgian.
Pulsar1975
Yes but Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Maserati, Pagani are also Italian.. so fuck you and that Fiat runs 100km with 1 liter!
NameNotFoundException
How much gas does the tow truck use though?
grklein
Bugatti was a French company before VW bought it.
Pulsar1975
Founded by the Italian Ettore Bugatti
grklein
In France.
Pulsar1975
By an Italian..
Bestavailableusername
And 3 of Them owned by wv
Pulsar1975
2 of them, but born and produced in Italy by Italians.. Germans are too cold to create passion...
grklein
Bugatti was French, and is designed in Germany by VW; Lamborghini is also mainly designed in Germany.
Pulsar1975
Are you saying that Lamborghini became famous thanks to Germans? Come on please be serious..
ButIWanttobeanonymous
Also, Bugatti is a traditionally French make.
Pulsar1975
Haters gonna hate..
Pulsar1975
Founded by Italian Ettore Bugatti
raitchison
If Boris prorogues parliament to force a no-deal things will get real interesting.
RipOffTheBandAid
Spitting Image was meant to be ironic not reality
malikcarr
I say let the "no deal" people have it. It'll either work out fine or be a trainwreck and they'll get fucked in the next election.
Youhavinagiraffe
If I've learned anything about the hard Brexit crowd, nothing is EVER their fault.
SqueakyBumTime
But it'll be a trainwreck for the public, the tories will be sweet with their money already out of the country.
Youhavinagiraffe
One fairly likely outcome is Scotland and Northern Ireland (and maybe even Wales) leaving the Union. That helps the Tories.
UsuallySpecial
“We threw out the baby with the bathwater and the economy is now fucked for a generation”. Yay.
MadnerKami
Maybe 52% of the Brits will finally learn a lesson and their massive error can be a lesson for the World at large.
malikcarr
I would foresee significant disruption, but at the same time I don't think it'll somehow be as damaging as "literally fighting WWII" either.
EpilatorAlligatorBothReduceGrowth
That’s the kind of thinking that gets right wingers, Farage or Trump elected. IMO bad idea.
malikcarr
I'd discourage anyone from adopting a parochial "don't vote for these people because change is scary" attitude, it generally only goes in->
malikcarr
the other direction you want it to. Worked for Obama in 2008 and worked for Trump in 2016.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
He doesn't have to force anything. They voted against a no-deal Brexit, but they also voted against every single possible deal. All he (1)
TheWombatStrikesAgain
has to do is let the clock run out and and let article 50 take effect. (2)
CrazyGuyOnABike
I think (hope) after the drubbing Labour got for their wishy-washy position in the EU elections, they will take a stand and demand that a
CrazyGuyOnABike
referendum clause be attached to whatever deal or lack thereof is decided upon.
xminacakex
It runs out on Halloween of all days. 3spoopy5me
Gorgrim
Unless parliament decides backing out is better than No Deal, and revoke Article 50.
EpilatorAlligatorBothReduceGrowth
We can always hope.
Rediix
Despite my own beliefs on the subject. Backing out would be a betrayal of the public
Fractoman
The EU expecting the UK to pay billions to leave is just hilarious to me.
Peekari
That's not really the consequences of either a deal or no-deal Brexit
GoldenSour2
Isn't the main cost to relocate the EU medicine agency? They should pay the cost if they're the ones leaving ?
ChloeRed
Main cost is pensions for UK staff, commitments to projects we agreed on in the past, etc. The EU medicine agency move isn't even part of it
TheWombatStrikesAgain
It's hillarious that they force them to fulfill commitments they made long before Brexit, including pensions of british EU officials?
Sumdumguy42
UK expecting to have favorable deals when showing that they don’t hold up their end of the bargain (i.e. EU bills ) is just hilarious to me.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
It's not a bill. It's longterm financial commitments completely unrelated to Brexit.
Sumdumguy42
Bills. Plural. In the sense of bills such as a utility bill or electricity bill, not a law.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Ah. Thanks.
banwetmarkets
The UK has a massive trade deficit with the EU, a trade war will be far more damaging for the EU, simple maths
elemcsere
What they get instead is all the companies moving to remain within the EU. And it is mostly done, no matter what type of deal they manage.
Sumdumguy42
The trade deficit is 95billion in goods with a surplus of 41billion in services. Guess who will be hurting with London no longer being the
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European center for financial transactions? All major banks need to move to Europe to keep access to the EU market.
Sumdumguy42
And why is the deficit? Because UK doesn’t produce shit and has to import everything. Apart from that, there is a difference between
banwetmarkets
Thanks for proving my point and agreeing with me there is a massive deficit that will damage the EU more than the UK if there is a trade war
Sumdumguy42
A trade war and not having a trade agreement.
IamIanMoone
No one ever expected it to be easy but we seem to be making it harder than necessary.
CrazyGuyOnABike
Leavers and parliament have an impossible set of demands. It's not that it wouldn't be easy- it's that the EU will never agree to the things
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the leavers said they wanted.
dietderpsy
Remainer politicians attempting to drag it out to reverse the vote.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Because the whole premise was unrealistic. It's like cancelling your gym membership but thinking you'll still be allowed to use the (1)
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equipment. And hoping the gym owner is okay with that because one time you bought a smoothie and also you used to be a global empire! (2)
IamIanMoone
More like the gym owner wants to make changes you don’t like but when you try to cancel he tries to bill you for three more years dues...
IamIanMoone
Because he was counting on your money to pay for it all.
tiikki
The money is what you have already agreed to pay years ago on projects benefiting also UK.
tiikki
UK will be able to participate to those projects as long as they are operational. One example would be scientific research.
YouGotBird
Agreed
TheWombatStrikesAgain
No, the bill is for the retirement cake for the janitor which you agreed to contribute to years ago.
IamIanMoone
So without the UK they can’t afford a cake?
EpilatorAlligatorBothReduceGrowth
Changes and compromises are part of development.The premise of that UK was hard done by is tabloid victimisation delivered by BJ et al.
IamIanMoone
So you agree that the EU should be prepared to change and compromise on the withdrawal agreement or only the UK?
spattr
EU guy said today, their deal is their deal & won't be changing. It was always that deal or no deal. That won't change with a new PM.
Youhavinagiraffe
The EU have been super consistent and rational the whole way through. Tories have been consistently unrealistic because they're in too deep.
liebermandean11
THE EU IS A DICTATORSHIP
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
Although I am already convinced of the premise by your use off all caps, who is the dictator?
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Jean Claude
CantankerousCantaloupe
You mean the president whom all 28 heads of states and EU Parliament agreed upon? Who could be kicked out by the Parliament? That dictator?
liebermandean11
He is not elected by the People and his Jean Claude his own Words he will make the EU like China
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darthlawsuit
No deal Brexit is best Brexit. Force the EU to renegotiate deals.
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SuperOKNumberTwo
I'm pretty sure no deal would be far superior to being a vassal state with no say.
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Imosa
I think he's talking about a Theresa May's plan from earlier in the year. I was shut down twice with the phrase "vassal state" being used.
vielleicht
you can't force the eu because britain has more to lose
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Renegotiate with a post-Brexit UK that is desperate to make new trade deals and will be in an even worse negotiating position? Brilliant!
EviMogwai
Thing is, EU is already negotiating the best deals the UK could hope for. No deal means UK gets the same status as Korea. Not bad, but worse
attofreak
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019-brexit-referendum-anniversary/?srnd=premium-europe
pierresito
Really it's 3 years of "not really gonna happen like that tho psh come on" and the alarmists going "yes it will!" and now it finally has.
narniasreal
Which was obvious from the start. EU can't let UK leave without it hurting them. Would send a terrible message.
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GoldenSour2
Can't really blame them
Oddmonster
It is not about hurting them - It is about U.K wanting to have everything, and pay nothing. There is more to it, but that is the essence.
CantankerousCantaloupe
This is such BS, EU doesn't want to hurt UK, they just wont do a deal that would break up four freedoms or violate other agreements and laws
channelranger
I mean, the thing is being part of the EU is a massive benefit to the UK, so simply leaving *would* hurt them.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
The EU can't make non-membership more beneficial than membership. For some reason London refuses to understand that.
ChloeRed
I'd object to that.. London itself knows, Westminster is the bit of London that doesn't.
OnsonSweemy
You get that here "London" means the British government, right? Not the geographical location. Same as "Brussels" refering to EU government
SplendidoSplendente
"But it's Britain! They must comply!" -Brexiteers LOL
TheWombatStrikesAgain
"We used to be an empire! That's gotta count for something, right? RIGHT?"
Clockworkdancerobot
That and an Euro will get you a cup of coffee...
drame
Jesus sounds like abusive boyfriend level behavior.. Like i get it but that doesnt seem morally sound.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
It's really not. It's more like Britain is the boyfriend who says "There are tons of women on the internet who want to fuck me, so I'm (1)
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breaking up with you. But I still want to come over and bang you whenever I want.". And when she says no, HE feels wronged. (2)
BabyHuey206
Sounds like you don't actually get it at all.
kohrah
Prev commenter made it sound like it's out of spite or a warning bug I guess it's more like you just don't get the benefits if not member
drame
I agree with that i was commenting on the wording more than the sentiment :)
UsuallySpecial
Hardly. You leave a relationship - even amicably - and you don’t still get to save by sharing rent, a bed and meals with your ex, do you.
maninthedarkness
Would be like if California was allowed to leave the US. Washington would say, "Fine, but here's your bill." California would owe a bit.
TheRealAethrys
That this is considered an acceptable comparison is evidence in favor of Brexit. The EU is not a nation.
CaptSheffield
Got that right.
Desomega
The ultimate end goal should be to make it one, though. Same with all of earth. Glory to the Emperor.
TheRealAethrys
You say this like the EU wouldn't ban criticism of chaos worshippers and deny Tyranid infestations are a threat.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
The EU has spent two and a half years negotiating that deal, most of which the Brits wasted by continually asking "can we have all the (1)
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benefits but none of the drawbacks?". I don't bame them for wanting no more of that. The Brexit promises were never realistic. (2)
JustDontCare
What benefits are being asked for?
Jairun
being part of the EU domestic market
EviMogwai
Control trade & people at borders to UK, but also free trade & movement into EU. Lower standards on goods, but compete on same terms in EU
WilliamHuskerAdama
So they want others to keep borders open to them, but close their own?
ReadOnlyMemories
What originally agreed after the war which was a free trading bloc. No one voted to have laws made by the EU or to open our island borders.
wellifounditfunnysofuckyou
That's because Theresa May has reportedly time and time again been useless. It's time to get ride of her and see comes from the ashes
TheWombatStrikesAgain
"From the asses" maybe. Because it looks like the next PM will be Boris Johnson and we already know he's completely full of shit.
Sumdumguy42
Theresa May was tasked with building the equivalent of a submarine made of cheese. Of course she was going to fail, just like anyone else.
GoldenSour2
It looks like Boris "Piccanninies and watermelon smiles" Johnson comes from the ashes
ChloeRed
Don't forget it's Boris "we don't need businesses" johnson...
Clockworkdancerobot
Or Boris "One Affair too many" Johnson...
EmperorMahaco
Um, you do realize she announced her resignation last month, right? And will soon be replaced by someone else
trapdoorogre
When exactly? The end of May?
EmperorMahaco
Almost, lol
MadnerKami
That "someone" being likely Boris Johnson, the very Discount-Trump of the BrExit-campaign. Finally a BrExiter having to take responsibility.
EviMogwai
The same Boris who dodged the position last time it opened.
EmperorMahaco
Right, but the Conservative Party is taking it's sweet time officially choosing him, even though he wins every round of their voting process
MadnerKami
If there's an established rule on how to choose the new leader, then procedures must be followed. Bypassing rules is bad, hmkay?
Clockworkdancerobot
Boris? Responsibility? The multi-time adulterer? The guy who was fired for making up quotes from his grandfather?
Clockworkdancerobot
the guy will just blame it on labor, or his predecessor.