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Feb 12, 2018 1:55 PM
MrEvets
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QuestioningAbsurdity
As Someone who worked for radioshack for over a year, the amount of times ive had to explain this to someone is baffling...
Freygl
Thank God!!! I looked this up 2 days ago. And also: f*ck Bose for their weak ass cables
TomZarekVP
But what if I don't have a speaker on the ground?
dojan5
I misread "microphone" as "microscope" and sat there stumped for a bit.
IOnlyPostThatOneGorillaGif
my pc headset is more like 100% USB also 50/50 shot of pluging it in right
OldMadDad
What about quadraphonic
BryanEwald
Can some aux cables like the TRS transfer higher quality sound or are all quite similar?
jinbee
Not really, once you're above the awful cheapest-possible junk almost anything will sound identical.
nosoupforoldmen
They should really come out with a fourth one for a stereo microphone signal
DarthMorgoth
Something, something, just the tip
Mikstrix
So what about the clicky next song things on headphones
OtterlyMagnificent
Uses the Microphone as a signal input. Sends a specific pulse that the microphone can't actually produce as a code.
capnlouie
Not just PC headset, most real smartphones have the 4-connector one, as well.
amp99
Thanks for the tips.
LapisSea
MorallyOpposedToViolets
And rings.
MorallyOpposedToViolets
And sleeves
Tiggerlen
Can someone explain how this black magic works?
BenSnow97
PC headset has the high ground
somethingsomethingwittyhere
TIL Obi-Wan Kenobi is a PC headset.
TheMightyKibbless
Yeah, put it in slow.
SamArt53
Real slooooow....
TheMightyKibbless
*Real slow like. mmmmmm
somethingsomethingwittyhere
You vs the guy she told you not to worry about: https://www.kenable.co.uk/images/r36_m.jpg
Justanotheroneofthoseguys
Stereotypical
RVME
Thanks for the details. As and audio engineer familiar with the sockets they go in, I would call that bad design.
MightyIink
The last one is also used for composite video in some camcorders.
omarmabbadi
Why do headphones need ground? Or is it the the (negative terminal)?
AGrammeIsBetterThanADamn
Properly speaking, that's ground. There is no negative voltage applied across that terminal.
Sheepyhead
Because an audio signal is defined by the difference between ground and the signal.
BenSnow97
Because signal can only be measured in differences. It is possible to use only one cord (coax cable), but that's a glorified radio antenna
WurstKaeseSzenario
Pc headset version is cancer. Had three different of those, all with echo.
ElBivo
It took me almost 40 years to learn that the two black rings on a jack mean stereo.
KayRaven
Mine's got three bands, but no mic...
Notracistgrandpa
So that's why the left is always what cuts out first
OtterlyMagnificent
Yep. Looks like. Although I've had the Right rip clean off the cord, and used a little solder blob to cross the L/R channels, creating MONO
braindrill
Just the tip
SamArt53
Leper to prostitute, “Keep the tip.”
super3dcow
I once had someone argue that the triple-lined plugs did not have a 3rd line for a Mic, and it was frustrating. The end.
haff
Don't forget about OMTP vs CTIA.
Spitfire2865
I wired up a helmet with a 4 pin jack and cant fucking remember what standard I used.
haff
I'd say it wouldn't too difficult to figure out, but I'd also rather shoot myself in the face than have to do it, personally.
Spitfire2865
Problem is all the wiring is under the liner, which is held in place by the earcups. A bitch to remove.
haff
I'd probably just try OMTP and CTIA headsets to test which one worked. IIRC Apple headsets are always CTIA to narrow it down if you have em.
Spitfire2865
Nope. Dont have any apple headsets, not that id want cabling with no strain relief.
takingashower
T is for tip. R is for ring. S is for sleeve.
swagb98623
What is the / for?
HaulinOats
Slip the Ring over the Tip before you put it in the Sleeve
DashingThroughTheNope
N is for NO SURVIVORS!
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
I love you for that one
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
madpoopz
N IS FOR NO SURVIVORS.
BklynPunisher
F is for Fahrvergnügen
erischilde
This sounds like some sort of fetish code.
creepwood
So T is for glans penis, R is for cock ring and sleeve is for foreskin? gotcha.
GiantDong
kinky
NorwegianJim
Just the T
FecklessMillennial
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TheJiziason
"Harder Daddy" but you have to say it with the right inflection
BklynPunisher
Fahrvergnügen
Helios8172
And N is for fucking ni-[deleted]
SithLordBananamango
C is for cookie.
CaptRandom1290
Cookie is for me
RandyKnapp
IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME
PoppinLochNessHopster
F is for friends who do stuff together
EdoubleLIOdoubleT
orangechrusch
F is for friends of which you have none!
Talligan
Thank you for being inclusive of all stereotypes
cousteau
My theory is that people upvoted this post only to take this comment to the front page.
shaggy5402
JustARandomStrangerOnTheInternet
Formalis
Underrated comment
hertz60
somethingsomethingsomethingsomewhere
And some mono
maniacalGiggle
Me
3nd3rwiggin
Chuckle
ExarKun13
how is this not ranked?
OldMadDad
OP missed quadraphonic
ledverde
justsignedupforthishit
Did you just validate a stereotype? Dude, come on! It's 2018, not 2017!
Dorsk84
halfax7
n0n53n53
this should have way more upvotes
ChuckWeiss
14% of the posts points and rising. Give it time.
MyNameisNotOwl
They missed Apple. I believe it's left, right, mic, ground from top down.
pyrrhlis
I mean, I guess that kinda makes sense...
ChuckWeiss
What's a headphone jack?
TheGlow
I do recall coming across this elsewhere. Apple, always against the grain.
jayharrisbb6
Nokia used to be oddly different too
TheNSAIsAPrankLookAtTheCamera
I had about 12 adapters for Nokia headphones
OrangeBozo
And then there is Apple. Fuck you, Apple.
jamesmansfield123054
grunk
Before removing it , apple also made his own connector by inverting ground & mic just to be sure other device won't work ...
PardusXY
Yeah, this is the best example of apple shittiness
OtterlyMagnificent
Really? Is that why my headphones don't work on my mom's macbook? What shitheads.
alejari
You can use your butthole.- apple
madbydesign
Cute how people say this and don't call out companies that do the very same thing.
isaaclw
what other companies switch the ground and mic connector?
Twiggeh
I also want to know, my list of no-go companies is always in need of updating
JHawke
Speak for yourself, I avoid any company that does this.
madbydesign
What the hell are you talking about?
shhep
Honestly 3,5 mm is super fucking outdated when compared to advances made in basically any other popular connector.
AudoCurrekt
Haha, you silly rest of the world and your commas in place of decimals
omglandshark
I disagree (without downvoting you). It's durable, plugs in correctly the first time and doesn't require additional power. For the age 1/2
omglandshark
2/2 it's a lot better and more reliable than the modern wireless solutions.
ronNhyde
In what specific way is it outdated? What issues remain to be solved in a small analog audio output? Other than DRM obviously.
Irreal
And fuck DRM anyway
AlphaKill
It is old, but not hardly outdated. It's made to serve one purpose, and it does it well. Mobiles don't really need anything else.
edward8767
It's one of the most robust connectors. Just because it's old it doesn't mean it's outdated. It works. It's universal.
nobbers12345
That's because audio data is analog - there isn't much else to innovate compared to needing several gigabytes per second as time goes on.
nobbers12345
All you can really do is create higher quality output devices, but there are only slight differences between things like headphones jack
nobbers12345
XLR, 1/4”, and hell, even older cable types
tablecat
And Google and HTC and Lenovo and Huawei and Xiaomi and Essential
FiorinasFury
They're not pointing out the removal of 3.5,theyre upset that Apple wire their headset non-standard.
tablecat
Yes, thank you, I realized that when he pointed it out.
OrangeBozo
I was referring to how apples 3.5 mm jacks were sheathed differently with the ground and mic being flipped, but I guess it works on 2 levels
GregGrildo
It's worse than that, too, the Apple sets also use ultrasonic chirps to identify that you're using them with an Apple phone, buttons won't
GregGrildo
Work if you're not. Bastards.
PoppinLochNessHopster
It's not like we're going to use 3.5mm copper connectors for the next thousand years, the cable will change eventually. (not an apple user)
BenSnow97
It was still the single most universal connector before Apple decided to fuck it up
Unfortunate2
I'll be fine with an update when it's better quality, and it's a standard. Apple doesn't use a standard which is stupid.
DaMummy
When you come up with a better solution that doesn't degrade audio quality, sure.
squishybaker
sony's LDAC, enough bandwidth to stream FLAC files,and it's on all oreo devices, but limited to sony head/earphones.
DaMummy
Propriety is automatically disqualified.
squishybaker
All the decent wireless solutions are proprietary so you just have to live with it.
isaaclw
The complaint is that apple headphones swap the ground and audio connector so that they only work on apple devices, etc.
AttackMyWeakSpotForMassiveDamage
They also use dedicated control signalling rings. That's the real kicker. It fucks the whole wire scheme for any adapter.
isaaclw
Ah interesting. I didn't know that.
kookyabird
Since when?
isaaclw
Since Apple headphones came out, they changed the TRRS protocol for ground mic. Look up Apple headphone specs.
isaaclw
I should point out that I plugged my apple headphones into my samsung, and the mic worked, so maybe samsung does black magic to fix it
LeastInterestingManInTheWorld
If you don't have something cheaper, easier, or objectively better, put the jack in.
PoppinLochNessHopster
Of course. I just meant we shouldn't use this as a reason to just turn down all new audio connectors in the future.
AttackMyWeakSpotForMassiveDamage
We have higher sound quality jacks, but none will ever be more durable or consistent in mobile than literally just solid metal rings.
OtterlyMagnificent
The highest quality audio connector I have is a 1/4" Stereo+Mic headphone jack in highly polished copper. It's beautiful. And has a 3.5mm 1/
AlphaKill
My issue is that they are forcing us to use the less robust charge port for audio, as if people don't damage them enough.
Steffn
I don't think it would be a big deal if they remove the jack when it is barely used anymore.
AttackMyWeakSpotForMassiveDamage
The problem is that 3.5mm jacks are still the most widely acknowledged analog standard ever. They are not "barely used" by any means.
Steffn
That's why I said "would"
abion47
Its still used plenty, and not just for headphones. Lack of use had nothing to do with Apple's decision.
PoppinLochNessHopster
The solution is to add the new jack in addition to the old jack, and if the new one takes off, remove the old. Apple's sucks though.
isaaclw
The complaint is that apple headphones swap the ground and audio connector so that they only work on apple devices, etc.
Steffn
Ah didn't knew about that. Did they do that in Europe as well?
isaaclw
http://connector.pinoutguide.com/4_pin_3.5mm_2.5mm_plug/
JHawke
Yes, headphones are sold with apple / any other phone versions. Note this only affects buttons and such not audio so bad but not extremely.
isaaclw
A bit more research, I'm not sure which was first, but Apple was opposite of huawei, and based on my history with them I assumed mal-intent
isaaclw
http://pinoutguide.com/HeadsetsHeadphones/Huawei_U8800_pinout.shtml
isaaclw
Full list here: http://connector.pinoutguide.com/4_pin_3.5mm_2.5mm_plug/
isaaclw
http://pinoutguide.com/PortableDevices/apple_ipod_shuffle_3g_pinout.shtml
RichHansen
Or is it the other way around?
OrangeBozo
Touché
metalheadmafia
"and then there is you, fuck Apple, you!" Is that what you meant?
OrangeBozo
I think he meant that instead of me fucking Apple, Apple is fucking me
TheDarkLordEgg
Is fucking ? Apple me
metalheadmafia
Me fucking Apple is?