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WhatDoesntKillYou
There's a thin line between being a visionary and a liar and one of them is more dangerous than the other
LateNightBunnyParty
He never did sit right with me. Seemed like a supervillain in the making from the first moment I heard of him.
annoyingpeoplewithmyheathencomments
i'd watch it, but i don't want to look at his face for that long
Nunyajonesinc
Some real don't look up vibes
duffman3335
What TF was he trying to demonstrate by throwing the ball at the window A SECOND TIME?
DamnedIfYouDo
I can't tell you how many times I've had to engineer a solution sold and committed us to, that weren't realistic.
Zyxs975
He knows how to promote and sell an idea. Some of his ideas are great, others not so much. Most of his claims are not founded on reality.
Zyxs975
He likes to dream but doesn't like doing fact checking and actual research. He throws money at his idea in hope that they somehow work.
zombiejedediah
Fanbois bought a weed burner he told them was a flamethrower. So, yeah.
PineappleLoopsBroether
That’s what we call a white label in business school… repackage a generic product with your brand for 10x the price.
digitalldj
Every major manufacturer is doing sonthing similar. Elon is just the face on a company where as Ford, Chrysler etc. are faceless.
aerodynamit3
He's a vaporware salesman and nothing more. He's not a genius engineer, he's an apartheid era silver enema born in his ass theif of ideas
codenameRadical
Everything he does is going to market too fast. This includes SpaceX and Neuralink, too.
mrsslocombe
Come on, Elon. Join Billy McFarland, Elizabeth Holmes, and Anna Delvey...
MustHailSagan
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/20/1100022168/elon-musks-crash-course-new-york-times-fx-hulu-twitter-tesla-self-driving-cars full read
The701
++ short, more-easily-shared link: https://npr.org/1100022168
HsuDoNihm
Hey... nice.
OctopusStinkhorn
So just a more successful version of Theranos.
TacticalWeaponsAssaultTeam
The guy who sold the same blow torch you can buy at harbor freight as a "Flame Thrower" mislead consumers on his other products? Shocking...
TwoStupidDogs
I feel like Elon has gone chaotic evil
Imalwaysready
"has gone" Yes, this is a new thing... *wink*
swedeonamoose
So Musk is pretty much Peter Molyneux but on a larger scale and with a lot more money
ColBBQ
To be fair, Molyneux did create several successful franchises before Spore. Musk has massive failures and still creating more
QUOLL37
More like trump with more competence but no more integrity. And now they are buddies. RIP USA.
copperdomebodhi
Kind of like Donald Trump but with tech instead of real-estate seminars.
PennsylvaniaPalindrome
Yup, buy or steal someone else's idea/product, slap yr name on it, and take undeserved credit for "inventing" it.
areyouelonmusk
It's almost like we should stop trusting the Steve Jobs and Elon Musks of the world
FrolickingFrolicking
That’s a terrible comparison, they’re nothing alike. Jobs’s Apple actually did iPhone successfully, for example, it wasn’t a dumb lie
TheSilverSeraph
Let’s throw Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos in here too. Musk has much more in common with her than his fans would care to admit
ChalkCoatedDonut
We can do our part to accelerate his crash course: spread the word through social media, not here only, post all the shame he tries to hide.
CAustinC0x
Elon Musk is Steve Jobs with less creativity, engineering knowledge, and likability. Considering Jobs lacked any of those in reality, well.
qPRdxH4UXm36HS9rJgLA
Ole Musky is the Thomas Edison of our age. Yes I meant that as a slur.
MyNameInYourBlood
Jobs did have a habbit of recognizing people who had those qualities. You gotta admit Woz needed Jobs as much as Jobs needed Woz.
thisisprocrastination
Lol Jobs didn't have engineering knowledge (Musk does), but Jobs sure as heck had creativity.
libben
By just looking at the latest videos of FSD. It really is amazing. Once dojo is up and running that AI will sprint towards finnish line!!!
Bystandr
Autopilot -no matter how competant- *ALWAYS* needs human supervision in ships and planes. Elon *DID* improve on existing tech, but not to
akmck11
Dammit all, Musk didn’t do SHIT. It was his engineering team (that he regularly browbeats into submission) that did it.
Bystandr
Uhh yeah - his company then - you completely missed the point I was making though- autopilot NEEDS human supervision.
akmck11
Missed? I OWN a Model S and the user manual clearly states that human control is required. Unlike most people, I read the fucking manual.
Bystandr
Not something other people have done, apparently.
Bystandr
the point, apparently, where you should abandon the drivers' seat. He did oversell the product.
Copperbrat
tonchandailvert
who is she?
dingo8yrbaby
Pretended to be a medical expert/CEO. Defrauded others out of millions. On her way to prison soon.
TheShoctopus
But she took a bunch of Kissinger's money and for that part I'm perfectly ok with.
dingo8yrbaby
I had to google. I'm surprised he's still alive.
TheShoctopus
No shit right!! Listen to the Behind The Bastards series on him. What a piece of shit.
Copperbrat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holmes
tonchandailvert
thank you
tonchandailvert
''Her father (...) was a vice president at Enron, an energy company that later went bankrupt after an accounting fraud scandal. ''
derrymerbles
The Hulu special with Amanda seyfried is actually a pretty good watch. The Dropout.
tomatoboy
The more I read about their management style the more I’ convunced Tesla will crash and end up bought out for their tech by another…
yoyo42
His style has been useful to make the established manufacturers seriously move into EVs and autopilots. But now they have...
tomatoboy
Yup.
tomatoboy
*I’m convinced (wtf happened there)
huzzahsallaround
Who knows, but 'convunced' sure is a fun word to say.
tomatoboy
…automaker within the next 5-7 years. It’s just not a sustainable business unless they get some serious management stability stat. Car…
tomatoboy
…companies have to be managed differently than tech companies, and they aren’t suited to the massive turnover and lack of stability…
tomatoboy
…Tesla seems to be exhibiting under Musk. He’s running it like a start up when should already be mature company. And that’s in an industry…
tomatoboy
…that tends to eat startups alive. What was the last successful new automaker prior to Tesla?
dataengineer
The thing is, he is running a software company that *happens* to make cars. The cars will get better as the software gets better. What he ..
ElbowDeepInBillCosby
That's a really clear, well thought out assessment of the companies shortcomings due to his personality and management style. Thank you
Perkunas687
When I consider electric vehicles, I consider reputable global brands now, not Tesla, since like you I have no idea what its future will 1/
xXxSTEVOxXx
Wow it almost makes it seem like Tesla and Elon fanboys are actually credulous dupes who fell for the fast talk of a straight up conman.
MrGoodBrain
He is actually delivering cars and rockets and tunnels so how is he a conman? Sure he exaggerates but thats just marketing.
xXxSTEVOxXx
"Sure he misrepresents the truth the get people to see him how he wants to be seen. But how is that like a conman in any way?" Lmaooo
xXxSTEVOxXx
Omg I'm so excited for the response to this comment
PennsylvaniaPalindrome
There's a reason some love the poorly educated: they are easy to dupe. And it gets more common all the time...
jimzakany
Yep. His hyper tunnels are like monorails, only worse.
xXxSTEVOxXx
Because they were actually not at all like monorails and were actually just underground roads filled with explosive batteries
Iblamemyparentstoo
Who does that sound like....MAGA
JustSomePersonThere
Nailed it
PalaverQuader
but more nerdy. techfanboys. steve jobs admirers.
xXxSTEVOxXx
And since they have good incomes and formal education they think they're god's gift to man and can solve every problem with apps
CameForNatalieDormer
I wouldn't be shocked if Elon has a bunch of skeezy nerds cooking up some way for him to run for president of the U.S.
TheShoctopus
If supreme court rulings no longer matter why should constitutional law.
narcoleptiKnickers
What's the over under on the Tesla's board ousting Musk? He's a liability to the company.
Hashtagdelta
Depends if the board is stacked in his favor or not. Which you just assume it is
narcoleptiKnickers
Musk has been over selling Tesla, Boring, his stupid robots, etc for a while. He's an attention seeking clown. they either get rid of him...
narcoleptiKnickers
or collapse under his lies.
hashbaz
You assume that share holders can look that far into the future. All they tend to care about is short term profit increase.
narcoleptiKnickers
Then the company will collapse when these share holder short the market.
HootSloot
The lies haven't really cost them anything. It's a $50-60b company with like $1T market cap. Delay cybertruck, admit there is no model 2
HootSloot
Doesn't scratch their stock price.
TheSilverSeraph
The overselling of Autopilot as Full Self Driving is nothing short of criminal. So many people took the bait for an expensive paid beta
admound
Revealing the intention to make Tesla private on air with Rogan as long as numerous crypto manipulations were also criminal. But noone cared
BossVarriack
and in one case someone filmed a porn video while the car drove itself
msd3k
Only one case? Humanity beat my expectations.
Marsupialmessiah
Its baaaaad. Drove a friends tesla (he was drnk as a skunk) and the autopilot nearly crashed 3 times and turned it off bad all around
motherfluffer
Elizabeth Holmes anyone???
TheSilverSeraph
Exactly. Even within this post, there are those who still say “But his overpromises were necessary”. No, they are Theranos-like fraud
LooseyGooseyBrett
Without government spending, his company would be worthless, amd now he's siding with those that want to slash government spending.
thisisprocrastination
Lol, Tesla took a loan and paid it back before it was due, incurring extra costs. That's the spending you're talking about.
LooseyGooseyBrett
LOL, that was a loan. Theres tons of other subsidies. Even a large portion the government kicks in when someone buys a vehicle.
PutItInNeutral
They only slash spending on social programs and infrastructure, not corporate kickbacks.
tomatoboy
And what pisses me off is they totally missed that autopilot isn’t even their important product. The BEV platforms they’ve developed…
YouMayFindThisMildlyInteresting
They knew their customers, though - early adopter tech geeks who get excited by wizzy new features, less so by things like build quality.
tomatoboy
Yes, but my point is if they want to grow they need to look beyond that small segment, or they’ll end up a niche automaker.
tomatoboy
…while not as Sci-Fi flashy as autopilot are the transformational tech TODAY, and yet they chose to gamble by pushing AP out as essentially…
tomatoboy
…an agreed to public beta involving everyone on the road and risk all that, plus keep pushing AP as the next big thing when they’re..l
tomatoboy
*un-agreed to
tomatoboy
…already sitting on the next big thing and it’s the BEV, they’ve just got to move faster in getting out cars at the lower price range and…
tomatoboy
…in the truck/utility/shipping market where fleet buyers are waiting to eat this stuff up. Letting Ford get to the pickup market first was…
OddlyPacific
He’s oversold everything he has sold! The cyber truck glass was a beautiful analogy of his career.
Frazmatazz
His first big sale was a business that lets customers fax advertisers, because there's so much demand for that... all he does is sell things
Frazmatazz
to "investors".
socraticmeathead
He doesn't oversell. He lies.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
TrueLegateDamar
I'm amazed how no one laughed when it failed, only at Musk's shitty jokes.
Cheomesh
I actually liked that one. Kind of bummed it's vaporware.
MrGoodBrain
He single handedly got the EV game moving. If he hadn't "oversold" stuff, Tesla/EV biz would have died in the crib. I do think hes dumb tho.
SeriousSeamstress
He did the same with internet. Only companies that rural folks could get before were extremely expensive, slow and screwed people over. I'm>
SeriousSeamstress
>not fond of musk but starlink has kicked the other companies to hopefully consider improvements to their products.<<<
OddlyPacific
He single handedly has a marketing executive team he hasn’t met that bought an EV company that was already rolling.
Corrodias
Wow, he must have been pretty busy for the last 10 years if he was single-handedly designing and building all those vehicles! /s
flarflarf
I will never forget that fucking trainwreck of a product announcement as long as i shall live
Skumbo
that was the moment I thought to myself "is this a conman". A question I'm glad I asked
upfr0mhere
I just don't trust anyone who could be considered wealthy, it serves me well
Animorphs
A con man Republican? Why I never.
ahernandez
My favorite thing he oversells is the underground highway. And people believe him, as if they’ve never seen a city try to drill a tunnel
curolina
It would be nice if there was some progress in tunneling technology. The Big Dig in Boston was a travesty, and traffic sucks.
rshini
or the logistical headaches of digging under numerous cities, states, and counties with different regulations and ground conditions
ahernandez
Also… you can’t just build an infinite highway in finite subterranean space. It’s like the whole thing “there’s tons of room” no there’s not
rshini
I actually gotten blasted when he first porposed the idea when I pointed out all the issues creating such a route would have for being a 1/
rshini
a cynical luddite and naysayer, now people see him as the huckster that he is. He's the equivalent of the 19th century rainmakers. 2/2
ahernandez
Hahaha same. I was in an office with engineers and they were all saying it could work. No they don’t talk much about him
TheSilverSeraph
You are right, it is the most visible example. But the list is so long: Semi, Loop, Hyperloop, Solar Roof, TeslaBot
lolface
I can't believe Austin Tx just bought into that BS. He's going to fuck around with his stupid tunnels here.
LordFancypantsicus
Lol, and good luck. The bedrock is 3 ft down in Austin. It will take years and billions of dollars to dig just a quarter mile tunnel.
ConfederacyOfDunces
Sounds like boring work.
dorenavant
Was going to say. Good luck k digging into that limestone!
Targe0
Grid storage. Lithium is a terrible battery choice for the grid.
iggylights
Deep cycle AGM lead acid batteries are great for renewable energy storage. Just really heavy. They also don't explode or catch fire often.
Targe0
Weight isn't a big issue as you shouldn't have to move them much.
ShiftingPattern
Yeah, but Musk is already invested in lithium and puts business considerations over engineering considerations sooo...
GuyGordon
No, SLA batteries are *terrible*. Very slow charging, bulky, limited life. If they were good utilities would be using them.
iggylights
I would recommend deep cycle marine batteries. 12 of them is 120V DC. Easy to invert that to AC
michaeloberg
5-7 year lifespan, can only discharge to 50%? Those batteries? No, sorry LiFePO4 is a much better chemistry
mmontour
No, they’re terrible. Lithium iron phosphate is a better modern option. Lead-acid only makes sense for backup/UPS, not frequent cycling.
michaeloberg
Lithium has 80% discharge for over 6000 cycles
Targe0
Yes but they don't do well at high temperatures as they tend to explode. Grid storage tends to get real hot real fast. There have been ->
rainehdaze
... does the lead or the acid catch fire first? One's overly reactive and the other... is, well, a heavy metal.
iggylights
Neither lead nor sulfuric acid are particularly flammable. If you short a battery it might catch fire from overheating but not explode
phlebaspho
If aggressively charged the gases that bubble off are hydrogen and oxygen. It take real abuse to get enough to burn.
SecondSince
I love how that sentence ended with 'often. :D
iggylights
I could find a dozen videos of electric cars blowing up. My dad was an auto mechanic. I've never seen a lead acid battery catch fire.
cantijustlurk
Well sheet, I reckon near everything catches fire at least once in awhile.
Hexrowe
Well, _absolutely everything_ explodes or catches on fire under the right (or wrong) circumstances, so it's just rigorous phrasing. :)