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ArcanisTheOmnipotent
FlyingRhino
Based. I also hate listening to a religious person at work complain about what they do on their holiday. Like nobody is forcing you
sevenfingers
thechrisspecial
to wish anyone to burn in hell would put you in hell right with them. better stop hoping
4vie
Unironically... Amen.
CascadiaPNW
Murder0fCr0ws
Comment of the day! The down votes you get on this post means you are doing the right thing!
Vungor
Jawesome19
It'll be funnier when there isn't though
PlankTableGo
The reason the truest believers are awful people is specifically because they are doing what their scripture says is "moral".
FarQuad
CrownPrincessAzula
I don't think religion is real, seems more like humanity couldn't comprehend a self-less creator and gave them human characteristics.
ButtEyeDyeGrass
If there is a just and loving god, good people will go to heaven regardless of belief. If there is an unjust god, they don’t deserve my time
Capum15
I fucking hope there's nothing after this, because I already hate doing this the first time. I'd be pissed if there's a round 2.
MyNameIsMojoJojo
I truly hope their personal hell would just be having to coexist with all the people they persecuted.
extraextra4
Religion was about looking inwards and judge yourself. It became a dangerous tool when ppl started using it to judge others
androgenoide
I like the word "scamvangelist".
inkswitch11
TIL this succinct word
szepasszony
I admit I'd like to see most Christians face the reality of 'that which you have done to the least of my brothers, so you've done to me'
lurkyouallnightlong
Christians tell me that ‘I’ll regret it when I’m in hell’ I tell them the are going to feel really stupid reincarnated as a sea slug.
MaryAlicexoxo
In hell the suffering just continues, but at least it's always warm.
OregonFlyer
Right there with ya, atheist here but man I almost wish that Jesus dude was real so he could come back and kick some serious ass.
jt42
That's what they thought he was going to do the first time around.
OregonFlyer
this is true
thatscool22
*their
PrincessBatCat
I like to imagine they're all real and all gods just coexist. Would be kinda neat.
4vie
Omnipotence says that's not only possible, but kinda sorta easy, to the degree of inevitable?
TheBunnyPants
I'd like my personal mirror theory to be true. Basically after death you experience from first person how others felt about you.
TheBunnyPants
Specifically I want those motherf***ers to experience what their victims did for ever! Heaven or hell is what you made it here.
Cilvaa
Religions are just Santa Claus for adults. Follow *our* rules and be rewarded, don't and be punished.
trumpypumpyinyourrumpy
And when they die the black shadow demons from ghost come and collect them
mostlyrottenadvice
Honestly eternal suffering is a little much for me to wish on people for being a dumb ass human.
andaction
Ok, how about blood sacrifice? Of the innocent? By the guilty? To “cover” sins? To get into heaven? To worship forever? Make more sense? /s
jimmythehat1
Taking the Lord’s name in vain (using his word for your improper gain) is literally in their top ten list. Fuck em
getadogupya
It's not being wished on the dumb ones. Hell is reserved for the evil.
andaction
1st just death. Then one guy ascended. Rules to ascend grew. Punishment evolved from “God’s wrath” to 4ever hell. It’s just religious BS.
FailedCrate
Depends on the religion, doesn't it?
DrKriegersClone
I mean, if you take the bible literally, hell is for everyone but the 144,000 chosen saved. That's ... not a lot of tickets to go around.
getadogupya
Was talking specifically about OPs meme, not any of the numerous other works of fiction out there.
leadheadcaptainpresidentofthetautologyclub
What earthly evil could possibly warrant ETERNAL punishment?
SirVG
*points to the US Republican party*
leadheadcaptainpresidentofthetautologyclub
You would damn them forever for what they are doing? Not 100, not 1000, not 1e100 years in hell... Forever. I'm not convinced.
B0ardski
most earth people I know have an excessively limited concept of whatwherewhen infinity is
TheManWhoStaresAtTurtles
Shouldn't pretend to believe while peddling rhetoric that is violently anti-Christian. If they're opting in to persecute minorities and 1/2
Froggie243
For the length of the summed lifetimes of suffering they've caused to the people
secondbest
Religions are real.
KimberlynnKelly
What they preach, however is up for debate.
Murder0fCr0ws
Yeah they are a real pile of shit. Besides art and some architecture, fuck them all.
TacoRocket
It's the gods that are all made up
AsUpSoBelow
If you had to choose for the good of the world between major religions, which one would you prefer to be really objectively real?
TylerDurden85
Pantheism. No scriptures, no dogma, just belief that we are all part of the same deity. Maybe people wouldn't be such shit if it was true.
xRevenx
The Satanic Temple
VIguy15
Egyptian mythology woulda been cool to witness in its prime I think
shakefu
Buddhism… but just the core philosophy not the surrounding religious dogmas.
palonoctisursa
The imperial truth, then maybe we can start saving ourselves
Mentok
Any religion that puts the focus on doing good here, now, rather than treating this like a playground on your way to external salvation
delecti
Unless my decision also affects what people believe in, I don't think any choice would change anything.
AsUpSoBelow
Idk. Instituting an actual heaven and an actual hell and a God that does floods and raptures out of spite seems pretty impacting
Zahnradfee
I want Inanna / Ishtar to be real.
Zahnradfee
Just imagine some fundamentalists of the Abrahamic religions were screeching about LGBTIAQ+ people and suddenly a wrathful sky lady appeared
Zahnradfee
and killed them violently.
AsUpSoBelow
Gotta say, pretty cool.
jackal12345
Norse, those gods mostly left humanity alone compared to some other pantheons (greek)
somethingstupidandclever
Science. It seeks knowledge, searches for universal truths, explains existence (tries to), can be both good and bad, based in reality.
ManByTechnicality
The Greek gods are at least fallable.
AsUpSoBelow
Humanising divinity does have its upsides I think yeah
KatByte0
Bro you can get sentenced to being a spider demon just for being really good at sewing
ManByTechnicality
As opposed to Christianity and getting turned into a pillar of salt for looking back at the city your fleeing?
InoffensivePablum
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
landbaronness42
The god of Arepo
Nottheuseryouarelookingfor
Sick reference
genericanamoly
Satanism
JacktheKind
That's already real. They don't believe in anything supernatural.
genericanamoly
Satanism is supernatural. Just not to the satanic people. Shit just the word "satan" makes some fear the supernatural.
JacktheKind
Satan!
genericanamoly
You need to pray for your soul now - some white Jesus person.
xRevenx
The Satanic Temple* doesn't believe in anything supernatural. However, there are other forms of satanism that are batshit crazy.
JacktheKind
thats what i meant thanks for typing it out, havent had coffee yet
GoldenRamoth
Agnostic here: If there is a big (wo)Man(s), then I doubt any one version has it right. I'm just hoping there's *something* after the end.
KrampusCopia
To quote Grumpier Old Men & Stephen King(Dark Tower) "wish in one hand, crap in the other, see which one fills up first"
mak10z
my one hope for having anything after... I just want to see and pet my old pups again. I hope they are being taken care of.
usernameusedinlessplatforms2
Something or something for you?
GoldenRamoth
I mean, regardless, I just wanna exist. I'd like it for everyone else too.
SomeGrayFox
After the last few years I actually find comfort in the thought of oblivion. Not sure if that's maladaptive... either way is a win IMO.
mrmartini
I hope it's a blooper reel
painstream
Hell is just an America's Funniest Home Videos montage, all starring you. :)
capnadorable
Laugh track and “whomp whomp” sound effects and everything
alchemist12345
Eh, just imagine after you die it will be the EXACT same for you as it was before you were born. Not that scary anymore.
aethryll
It doesn't bother me, but I think that's what bothers many. There is no trace of you, no thought of you. It's as if you never existed. >
aethryll
For many that is enough to trigger an existential crisis.
ZombieSideTackle
I do believe that we all come from one main consciousness experiencing itself and the afterlife is just going back to that consciousness.
ZombieSideTackle
But I meditate a lot so that’s where that comes from.
MaryAlicexoxo
Get me back to the funghi network already!
ZombieSideTackle
Yes!!!
mcshady
If there is a God then there is one thing that is absolutely certain: He's got bigger concerns than whether you call him 'God' or 'Allah'.
aethryll
As an atheist; if there is a God and we were 'built in his image' I would say that he may likely care. We are a pretty vain and petty lot.
mcshady
Some of us are. Most of us are not. And I dont think that 'in his image' means 'exactly the same as', just a likeness to some extent.
aethryll
It's almost universally accepted that line of scripture doesn't mean physical likeness but rational structure and thought. To the other; >
FrogBotherer
Sikhs always seem pretty chill.
KetchupCatsup
Sikh here. Never pushed my religion on anyone. “Sikh” literally means to learn. Seek truth. Equality is a big thing. Tolerance and justice.
KetchupCatsup
No religion is perfect i try to live life as a good person based on what my parents and religion taught me. Charity is a big part of Sikhism
LuLuPennyAndOdium44
I saw an asshole knock a guys turban off in a chilis one time and that “chill” motherfucker moved some tables around
ptenopus
"To turn the other cheek" doesn't mean "Hit me here too", it means give them what for.
SomeRandomLiz
Yeah man, everyone should be able to defend themselves from disrespect
unluckyandbored
Fear the wrath of a kind man.
Imissmycats
One of the principles of Sikhi is self defence, their gurus carry swords.
tmpvisitor
Every Sikh should be carrying one of these: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan
ArgJargon
Only to be used in self-defense or defense of the defenseless *after all diplomatic solutions* have failed, correct?
KetchupCatsup
If your baptised, you carry. Problem for planes, so there is a small necklace version. Baptised Sikhs in India are hardcore. Think swords.
Elroydb
Mormonism because they allow for salvation after death
Tyggna
I like the idea they have that after salvation comes eons of growth and you eventually become good enough to be a god
Kamchatkah
Anything that allows me to reincarnate as something which doesn't need to worry about the joys of capitalism. Maybe a goat.
MaryAlicexoxo
My go-to us jellyfish
DrKriegersClone
Plot twist: peasants will be sacrificing goats to the job creators by the time you reincarnate.
AsUpSoBelow
Perhaps but in those you can also reincarnate as a hungry ghost or something else constantly suffering
Kamchatkah
You can reincarnate as the dead?
AsUpSoBelow
I think so yeah? I don't claim to know for sure how that works in their view lol
alwaysthecheesegrater
Noooo. Reincarnation is rebirth. A ghost is what you become if you don't cross over to have that chance.
alwaysthecheesegrater
I wouldn't wish to be a farm animal if you want to avoid the horrors of capitalism. The odds are against you.
Kamchatkah
Ok, some lizard on a hot rock. That'd do.
alwaysthecheesegrater
How about a tardigrade? They're probably the safest species currently.
Kamchatkah
Yeah, that'd be sweet. Plus everything would be massive.
UnicornFartCollector
Coming back as a golden retriever in a suburban white middle-class family, living the best life. Treats, squirrels, walks, no worries.
Kamchatkah
No control over whether or not you keep your balls though.
SoulTakerWasSupposedToBeMyUsernameButSomebodyStoleIT
Buddhism? Pastafari? Anything but the stupid main ones
alwaysthecheesegrater
Hey! I'm a Buddhist pastafarian! (On the rare occasion I use religion to describe or define my beliefs)
GoldenRamoth
Buddhism scares me the most. The goal is basically to die *for real*, stope reincarnating, and escape the wheel of life. So, yikes man.
AsUpSoBelow
Yeah in comparison to the western ones it's kinda pessimistic. There's no supreme God with a plan for you. No justice in the end.
alwaysthecheesegrater
I don't know. SO MUCH trauma has come from the "only God can judge me" mindset.
AsUpSoBelow
I doubt that there are people who actually fully believe this because they would also not judge others if that were truly the case
alwaysthecheesegrater
That's my favorite part.
Itsonporpoise
You know you’re going to die anyway right? That’s what makes everything matter….because it’s finite. Be happy, do good, enjoy while you can.
GoldenRamoth
I mean, sure. That's what I do on the daily! Try to make what I have count. It Doesn't make me less scared of not knowing what's after. :(
alwaysthecheesegrater
For me, that's what makes reincarnation less scary. If you go to "heaven" that's it. But reincarnation gives you extra lives to try again.
homoerection
Don’t worry buddy, no one’s getting out of this simulation unscathed.
mak10z
Shinto
somethingstupidandclever
Shinto also makes anime make way more sense.
talel81
I can digg it.
mak10z
to add to that single word post : Kami live in everything. everything has a little god. respect them, and honor the things they inhabit.
AsUpSoBelow
Animism is pretty dope tbh
trumpypumpyinyourrumpy
Jedi
AsUpSoBelow
I should have clarified major religions in *this reality*
enderite
It is. It has tax exempt status in several places I believe. Just as real as any other, I’d think.
AsUpSoBelow
Still not a major one
enderite
Touché. But the major ones are shit.
LuminoZero
The US Navy will list religion as "Jedi" on your dogtags if you request. Good enough for me.
AsUpSoBelow
That's a very arbitrary standard but I guess my bad for not defining 'major religion' tightly
ToolmanTR
The Jedi were terrible though. At least in the Republic
Kiirdel
Slippery slope is hardly the cornerstone of a good religion.
mrmartini
What about high ground?
SpaceballsTheComment
Is it slippery?
mrmartini
No. It's course, and rough, and irritating.
thinkybrainpains
I have atheist friends who believe in "karma." What bullshit is that? are they not paying attention?
HistoriesOfXandY
Karma may be expressed observationally with something as simple as "People who are assholes are less likely to have friends."
lostlittletimeonthis
Well history has shown that some times bad actions come back to bite you in the butt. But only sometimes
iLynux
The truth is the universe is full of mystery. It doesn't necessarily mean there is a divine will causing anything to happen.
MightyMile
I’m ok with that. Far less harmful to the general public than organized religion which imposes itself on all of our daily lives.
w3ricardo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis
Joelseph14
You reap what you sow
thinkybrainpains
Meh. I know people that sow evil and hate but there is no consequence in their lives for that
Joelseph14
Yeah the problem is that it's not always the sower that has to reap it
AsUpSoBelow
Paying attention to what specifically?
ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
Well, karma doesn't take effect until the universe ends and restarts. If they think it happens now, that's not karma, that's something else.
jt42
They probably also believe in the Placebo Effect. Ironic, isn't it?
NoGunsNoCats
They'll grow out of it.
ellivenob4272000
Karma is simply a sentient take on the third law of thermodynamics. Also if your a dick, people ginna be a dick back. Karma.
gromolko
"Karma is justice without the satisfaction. I don't believe in justice." Joe Sarno (James Caan), Way of the Gun.
alwaysthecheesegrater
12 laws of Karma: /gallery/2Ezt1hr
Copperbrat
For a lot of atheists it can be hard to stomach the truth that individuals rarely get what they deserve. Holding onto a hope that the >
Copperbrat
universe will somehow balance injustices is naive, but comforting. So it's not unlike a belief system in that way. If I'm especially >
Copperbrat
outraged, the only way I can let it go is to convince myself others will invite and experience the consequences of their own behavior.
enkrypt3d
anytime i try to game the system i get bitten in the ass. so i dont get how these criminals win so much and get no comeuppance
Tankmoose
The answer is money
usernameusedinlessplatforms2
You are not arrogant enough and most likely you are not abusing your fellow citizens enough to get rewarded for the behaviour.
FrecklesIRL
Someone once told me that in order for Karma to work, there has to be an element of guilt. If you're too evil to feel it, karma doesn't come
StormicusDeximus
Same with most religious tools in my opinion. If you're actually a good person you tend not to need most of them.🤷♀️
MechanicalRomance
Thats not contradictory? I mean so long as you arent following a theistic interpretation of karma. Just cause youre dumb.
Kdvdp
As an agnostic, I think karma is a thing. It's just that wealth>karma. So with wealth a.k.a. power, you can be a dick without repercussions
TheCrimsonFurry
Karma is a cosmic force that works on a cosmic timeline. The good you create may never affect you. But it is still good.
HasteTheFool
Erisianism. Everyone get to go to heaven except those who don't eat hot-dogs, and those who eat hot-dogs.
SirWadeWilson
Buddhist are technically atheist who believe in Karma. The belief in a deity is an attachment and should be avoided
Pummelallthethings
Maybe enlighten your friends to the term agnostic atheism.
kosherpork
Pretty sure karma was just invented to support the caste system. And actual bad karma was when you deviated from your "path"
alwaysthecheesegrater
What religion hasn't been twisted to keep people complacent being peasants?
alwaysthecheesegrater
People feel good when they help others. No one wants to help a scumbag. Being a dick makes your life suck on a personal level. "karma"
Isthe4thtimethecharm
Any excuse to do the right thing more often is good enough. But I mention Karma but don't believe it.
PorneliusHubertII
Karma isnt instant. Karma decides how you are going to spend your next life and how long you will exist in the endless cycle of suffering.
InariPakannen
If you follow the Buddhist concept of karma, rather than the pop-culture one, karma does not necessarily hit you in the same lifetime
thinkybrainpains
eh. so you have to believe in reincarnation with your definition? or some continuance of "being" that transcends death?
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Somerandomoldguy
But you listed three concepts.
jwillustrat
Oh wow you always type like tHiS? I’ll admit that’s commitment to a bit, but how tedious is that?
BlueDsc
Probably just uses one of those sites that does the formatting for you and copies it.
thevortexmaster
I comment so much that this would be way too difficult
BishlamekGurpgork
Or they're just using hyperbole to joke that they're getting what they deserve.
AbstractArtemis
I've always understood karma as, if you put good into the world, you will encounter more good yourself.
Kdvdp
Yeah, and I think there is quite a bit of truth to it since positivity, like negativity, is contagious. Attitudes are reflected
internetuserr
Exactly! If someone is always helping you out, you’re more likely to help them out
Zestykitten
That's how I see it. I believe this not because I want bad people to get their come uppings, but rather I want the universe to know I'm
Zestykitten
Doing my damnest in this world. I focus only on me in that regard. I don't expect bad people to get karma, I just want my life to be better
Delerium1973
You can believe in unseen forces without attaching them to a deity...
PorneliusHubertII
Math tells us that the univers while fueled by chaos fuckimg loves balance. Karma is just cosmic balance.
KrampusCopia
Please apply whatever logic you use against God to the unseen forces...
thinkybrainpains
yes.
Delerium1973
For what reason?
KrampusCopia
Consistency. Why do you not believe in God? (No evidence for it) why do you not believe in other silly magics? (No evidence)
Delerium1973
Seems like overthinking to me. We can't know, why bother?
Sechran
Not every atheist is the, "I ONLY believe in things that are empirically proven!" type. That said, it is a rigorous, significant belief?
Sechran
If it's just a casual referencing, like "luck" then... meh?
PorneliusHubertII
I dont believe in gods or an afterlife but if any were actually true i HOPE that it is buddhism.
Sechran
Buddhism is one of the less sucky ones for non-believers afaik (my familiarity with it is hardly top tier).
PorneliusHubertII
The basics are that existence is just endless suffering at different levels and the ultimate goal is to break the cycle and stop existing.
PorneliusHubertII
There are some subsets of buddhism that believe in a heaven style paradise after you attain enlightenment. I like the idea of breaking
mostlyrottenadvice
I’ve heard karma explained when you piss in the pool others are more likely to piss in the pool.
PorneliusHubertII
If you are good to people around you then they are more likely to be good back, if you walk around with shit energy it tends to feed right
PorneliusHubertII
Back. This clearly doesnt apply to people born into wealth.
hyperchondriac
Maybe as a role model/ social acceptability effect, but only if they KNOW you do. Even if you say you don't, they may pee harder from spite
B0ardski
I like this,,, be the change you want to see in the world.
shano510
"What others do speaks to their character. What you do speaks to your character."
Smacketywack
It’s more like pissing in the pool and then accidentally swallowing someone else’s piss at a later date.
thinkybrainpains
Yes, I think of it like this. Ironic revenge
Zestykitten
Yep, in my terms it's "put out into the world what you want the world to have." Many people put bad things into the world, unfortunately
Goldensands
So stop fixing, tolerating and coping with their shit with some fkd up karma dogma shit. Get mad, call for a stop, or at least stop with the
Goldensands
Stupid ass dogma shit and get out of the way of those with enough character and intellect to be mad.
Ultratoxic
I am atheist and think of karma like "if you piss in the swimming pool, you are now also in a pool full of piss".
Ultratoxic
It's not so much "sky daddy will get revenge on you" as "you have to live with the results of your actions bc you live in shared reality"
SybilCrawley
That doesn't seem Ultratoxic at all. Hmmm .. username does NOT check out for once.